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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Ibime(m): 12:45am On Nov 16, 2020 |
Roland17: That's why I went for Silva cos he's the only one that was able to adapt. The other 3 are relics of a previous era, unable to adapt to changing tactics and formations. Mata was also the least adaptable and does not belong in this conversation. Fabregas was too fragile defensively, yet too slow to join the attack and keep up with his strikers effectively when we reached the 2010 decade. He neither fit in AM, CM nor DM and posed a tactical weakness in each position that unbalanced the teams he played for. Mata was too physically weak and slow and disappeared with the obsolescence of the no10 position, also posing a tactical weakness even when in his prime. He was good in small games but disappeared and was overrun in big games, putting much pressure on his midfield partners to cover his gaps. Ozil held on for longer but was also made obsolete by no10 position disappearing. Silva was able to transition from left-wing to AM to CM effectively and was never a carryalong or tactical hindrance at any point in his career. And I don't particularly think Silva had more physicality to adapt than the others, he just had more intelligence and desire. 2 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by popizaino(m): 1:40am On Nov 16, 2020 |
Roland17: Let me first deal with this false believe, that he couldn't make the team at barca. Fabregas during his time at Barcelona made more appearances than either xavi and iniesta and had a better goal and assists than both of them .He left because fans were usually frustrated with his direct style of play and long balls as oppose to their usual tiki taka. Fabregas created the highest goal scoring chances in Europe at his peak from 2006 -2011 at the period were midfield greats likes xavi,iniesta,Alonso,Gerrard,lampard,scholes,pirlo,kaka,deco,seedorf were having their best time but wasn't the highest assist because arsenal had chamack,Eduardo,vela . There is nothing magical about ozil passes at Madrid.They were just basic that any body can pull off .eg Guti .infact close to 30% of his total assists came from indirect freekicks and corners. Fabregas made an average arsenal team look good and formidable making the ucl semi finals a couple of times. Ozil wasn't a passer by for the NT neither was he the most outstanding player either. Fabregas scored the winning penalty in Euro 2008 quarter finals against italy to send Spain to the semi finals. Fabregas came off the bench to assist in 2010 world cup finals Fabregas despite playing out of position in euro 2012 still put in a decent performance. 12 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by popizaino(m): 2:27am On Nov 16, 2020 |
BlueAngel444: Who dash ozil ucl? |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Bunsenbun(m): 5:17am On Nov 16, 2020 |
popizaino:i think video links will help do more justice to this debate. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Unlimited22: 6:35am On Nov 16, 2020 |
Ibime:He's injured na So we'll either play Azpi who will hinder us offensively or the snail. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by BlueMann: 7:24am On Nov 16, 2020 |
Unlimited22: Emerson is ahead of Alonso in the pecking order. No way Alonso starts that game, especially as Emerson has been in good form for Italy. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by timbros(m): 7:35am On Nov 16, 2020 |
Kimbeast: Cesc. 7 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by timbros(m): 7:56am On Nov 16, 2020 |
Wetin numbers don do for football sha... 5 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by popizaino(m): 8:05am On Nov 16, 2020 |
Bunsenbun: Yea .....But I think most people won't watch it, gif would have been better but I don't know how to go about it . |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by popizaino(m): 8:22am On Nov 16, 2020 |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NGd5toj8sw This game is always my reference point whenever someone is trying to downplay fabregas. He came in as a sub while we were trailing by two goals to nil and was able to give costa a sublime pass out of nothing,which would have reduced the deficit if Costa had not made a mess of it . Watch it and tell me how Cronaldo will not score twice from this single pass from fabregas . |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Godx: 8:40am On Nov 16, 2020 |
popizaino:Stop sugar coating it. Fabregas was a failure at Barcelona. Stats might say otherwise but we the Barca fans who watched him knows. His style of play was never compatible with Barca and he was lazy as fucccck. He showed consistent 'inconsistencies' with his play and struggled every 2nd half of the season. He wasn't an orchestrator that everyone hoped he would be; he was not disciplined enough position-wise. He was not good in dribbling out of tight spaces like Iniesta/Silva and generally always half-step behind. 3 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by pamcode(m): 8:41am On Nov 16, 2020 |
The battle of the Tens. Was Fabregas ever a ten though? Even in Arsenal he was in the central midfield. I would take Silva though, his versatility in attack and midfield is wonderful, not to mention he was able to survive the physicality of the premier league and still drop elite performances. I might be wrong o but Silva did next to nothing in the UCL. But based on prime - Ozil, Fabregas, Silva, Mata. 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by pamcode(m): 8:51am On Nov 16, 2020 |
There is a question I would like to ask, it has been coming up on Twitter a lot this days. Based on their prime and overall careeer between Kaka and Muller, Ronaldinho and Neymar who is the better player. Cc Ibime Nihilistjnr Pkasso Roland17 Raumdeuter Unlimited22 Popizaino. And others I didn't mention pls comment. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by NinjaMetahuman: 8:54am On Nov 16, 2020 |
Kante and barkley might earn chelsea some serious money next year if they can keep this their current form. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by NinjaMetahuman: 8:55am On Nov 16, 2020 |
pamcode:ronaldinho. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Ibime(m): 8:59am On Nov 16, 2020 |
pamcode: Sacrilege to put Ronaldinho in the same sentence with the other three when talking of prime. 2004-2006, Ronaldinho was the most dominant generational talent since Maradona in 86-88. No one was competing with him. 6 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by pamcode(m): 9:02am On Nov 16, 2020 |
Ibime:I actually grouped them as a duo. As in who is better between Kaka and Mueller. Also Ronaldinho and Neymar. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Ibime(m): 9:05am On Nov 16, 2020 |
pamcode: Muller over Kaka Ronaldinho over Neymar |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by afrodoc2: 9:06am On Nov 16, 2020 |
pamcode: Which Muller? E better be Gerd Muller o cos e no fit be Thomas Muller you dey compare with Ronaldinho. Edit: I have seen your explanation. Ronaldinho’s peak over Neymar’s. Neymar had the potential to surpass him but combination of playing in the Messi/CR7 era and also going to play in a monkey post league like French league has wrecked his chances. Kaka is a better footballer than Muller and is more likely to singlehandedly decide a match but injuries wrecked him in his prime. Muller had had the better career overall. 11 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Melvyn11: 9:07am On Nov 16, 2020 |
There is nothing generational about Ronaldinho people are just blinded by nostalgic. If Ronaldinho was a generational talent so is Neymar. Henry from 2004 to 2006 even outperformed Ronaldinho. 4 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by thorrvik55(m): 9:08am On Nov 16, 2020 |
Melvyn11: k 15 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by popizaino(m): 9:11am On Nov 16, 2020 |
Godx: Well put,save for were you had to echo in ibime sentiment,that he struggled every 2nd half of the season ![]() |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by afrodoc2: 9:14am On Nov 16, 2020 |
Ibime: This is not really indicative of their quality in comparison to other all time greats though. It is all about time and chance. If Ronaldinho played in the Messi/CR7 era he might not have any ballon d’Or. 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by BlueAngel444: 9:14am On Nov 16, 2020 |
BlueMann:make him sha no underrate newcastle |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Ibime(m): 9:16am On Nov 16, 2020 |
popizaino: No, you are downplaying it. They were also unhappy with his inability to dominate the ball in midfield and his escorting hence Godx said he was always half a step behind. No one has a problem with throwing good long passes. He just could not do bread-and-butter midfield work. Like a baker that can only put icing on cake but can never consistently bake the cake. 2 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by OVA200(m): 9:19am On Nov 16, 2020 |
afrodoc2:Doc he will not have it. All those Zidane dem will not have it. Time and chance are very vital in football; look at lewandowski last season, he might not have the chance to win ever again. 6 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Ibime(m): 9:19am On Nov 16, 2020 |
afrodoc2: Be that as it may, there were many players around during 2004-2006 that were highly respected but he floored them all like Maradona floored all from 86-88. Not even R9 was that dominant cos Del Piero was keeping up with R9 on domestic stage while Zidane managed to steal his glory on International stage. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Neymar1095(m): 9:22am On Nov 16, 2020 |
Melvyn11:Ronaldinho is one of the most overrated player of all time because he does fancy step overs. Neymar has already surpassed him but romanticism won't let people see it. 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Ibime(m): 9:27am On Nov 16, 2020 |
Melvyn11: Only young people still in primary school or junior secondary from 04-06 will subscribe to this. Ronaldinho margin of victory in Ballon d'Or voting will be one of the most dominant margin of victories of all time. 8 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Melvyn11: 9:30am On Nov 16, 2020 |
Neymar1095:The man had 2 and half good season in his entire career for fuckkkkk sakes. Neymar has definitely matched his best seasons. 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Melvyn11: 9:32am On Nov 16, 2020 |
Ibime:All those are nostalgic voters. Stat wise Henry was miles ahead of Ronaldinho. 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by afrodoc2: 9:33am On Nov 16, 2020 |
Ibime: Nobody considered Del Piero R9’s mate. 96-98. R9 came 1st, 1st, 2nd in WPOTY including a World Cup final and Golden ball. 2004 -2006 Ronaldinho came 1st, 1st, 3rd including a World Cup flop. R9 was more dominant in my opinion. A true force of nature. 2 Likes |
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