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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by TrebleChamp(m): 12:44pm On Nov 16, 2020
Melvyn11:

This is not just an opinion. The stats and 0 trophies are there to show Messi failures with Argentina
Argentinians don't even rate him that highly, Messi is a Barcelona GOAT.....
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by TrebleChamp(m): 12:47pm On Nov 16, 2020
timay:


Even Pogba FC are tired of defending and counter defending the guy. Na Sidon dey look them dey now grin grin
If we yab Pogba now, they will come for us. A total waste of space that he is even on the bench at United...
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Jodera: 1:04pm On Nov 16, 2020
Melvyn11:

This is not just an opinion. The stats and 0 trophies are there to show Messi failures with Argentina
Stats that he has more goals than any other Argentine? Or stats that he won individual awards in an Argentine shirt?
Cos I don't understand

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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by timay(m): 1:05pm On Nov 16, 2020
engrelvis:
I watch England/Belgium match yesterday. We better start making arrangements to buy Grealish. If Liverpool or man city get hold of him we r in trouble

The bolded is the reason why we bought so many misfit players for the team in the past, post SAF era. We clearly don't need Grealish, we need natural wingers and strikers after Cavani leaves. We have VDB and Bruno alone in attacking midfield position, I wonder what Grealish is coming to do.

Buying players to prevent other teams from buying them instead of based on the needs of the coach and team is idiotic at best

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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Jodera: 1:11pm On Nov 16, 2020
odizeey:

So you think. EPL is tight. Now I am not saying it's the all and all of all leagues. The league drains players. Tight fixtures and little concern about about European fixtures. Lastly, some teams are hell bent on frustrating a you. They don't want to go anywhere but they they will frustrate you. Check am na. Check goals chart for the last 20 years.
You've forgotten that messi is one of the most fittest player in the world. You've forgotten that messi and Ronaldo are two players whom fatigue rarely affects? EPL tight, yet Kane is scoring over 20+ goals consecutively season in season out even with champions league commitments, yet na messi go find am hard to score 30goals, . Lol.

Even if you talked about more teams parking the bus, but if you check statistically, messi scores many goals against athletico(a team known to park bus in laliga), how then do you think he won't cope?

At least I can look at salah and see that salah scored over 30 goals in the league only, na peak messi wey better pass peak salah 10x go struggle to score 30goals a season?

Come on bro!!!

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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Jodera: 1:15pm On Nov 16, 2020
TrebleChamp:
Is Messi regarded as Argentina's GOAT?
Arguably yes.
If Argentina don't see him as that because of sentiments, na their opinion be that.

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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Jodera: 1:19pm On Nov 16, 2020
TrebleChamp:
Best player and highest goal scorer don't matter if you don't win trophies, don't get me wrong Messi is a great player but can't be put in the same bracket as R9, Pele and Maradona. He is not even Argentina's GOAT.
But R9 haven't won the champions league, same as maradona. Or is it only world cup that's eligible to make someone a national great?

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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by TrebleChamp(m): 1:21pm On Nov 16, 2020
Jodera:
Arguably yes.
If Argentina don't see him as that because of sentiments, na their opinion be that.
Its not sentiment really, they feel he didn't do enough for the National team as he does for his club.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by TrebleChamp(m): 1:24pm On Nov 16, 2020
Jodera:
But R9 haven't won the champions league, same as maradona. Or is it only world cup that's eligible to make someone a national great?
Pele did not win champions league too, winning only club trophy doesn't make you the GOAT. Make Messi win World Cup before we can place amongst the greatest or even call him the GOAT... Pele, Maradona and R9 inspired their National Teams to win the world Cup, something Messi has so far failed to achieve.....
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by nitrogen(m): 1:33pm On Nov 16, 2020
Nezzjnr:
Pogba on #mufc: “This is a period, the kind of which I have never experienced in my career. The French national team is a breath of fresh air… We are very happy to come here and all very happy to see each other again.” #muzone [RTF]

Pogba: “It's not that in the club, we don't have fun, but here, it's not the same. We laugh. It's really a family. And the group we have, regulars or substitutes, it's really magical. And that's why we're happy to come to the selection.“ #muzone [RTF]

Pogba: “The coach has enormous confidence in us. And we trust him too. That mental strength makes the difference. The substitutes, their seriousness and their professionalism, and their talent...they work hard and they don't complain. They really represent France.“ #muzone [RTF]




A United player can actually say this and the club hasn't put him out for sale already?? shocked shocked angry

Maybe it’s the truth na!

Geez, so many points reeled out by Pogba. Mental strength, trust and confidence , tactical acumen, professionalism, etc.

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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Jodera: 1:34pm On Nov 16, 2020
TrebleChamp:
Its not sentiment really, they feel he didn't do enough for the National team as he does for his club.
They feel?... That's sentimental at best na.

He singlehandedly took them to world cup 2018.

He is their highest goal scorer.

2014 world cup, he scored almost all goals in group stage. Granted he didn't score in knockout, but nobody will say he disappeared in the knockouts tournament

He was influential in their key runouts and final against Chile, but because he didn't win, na problem for him head.

The thing is, he is very very influential for them, and there's only and football as a whole. So one can't just sideline messi achievement in barca claiming he's barca goat only.

Like I said, it's arguable, but if there's two GOATs, then messi and maradona have to hold those ones.

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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Jodera: 1:37pm On Nov 16, 2020
TrebleChamp:
Pele did not win champions league too, winning only club trophy doesn't make you the GOAT. Make Messi win World Cup before we can place amongst the greatest or even call him the GOAT... Pele, Maradona and R9 inspired their National Teams to win the world Cup, something Messi has so far failed to achieve.....
So all his achievements that is extraordinary is washed away cos he didn't win the world cup?
So I can as well say C Ronaldo is not a GOAT then

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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Melvyn11: 1:42pm On Nov 16, 2020
Jodera:
Stats that he has more goals than any other Argentine? Or stats that he won individual awards in an Argentine shirt?
Cos I don't understand
Sit back and relax

* 4 finals for Argentina
* 0 goals 0 assists

*Went Back to back competition with Argentina scoring 0 goals

* 0 knockout stage goals for Argentina in the world cup

* Went to straight 4 competition with Argentina scoring 0 goals in the knock out stages

*0 trophy as well.


Messi is an Argentine flop.

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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by odizeey(m): 1:56pm On Nov 16, 2020
Jodera:
You've forgotten that messi is one of the most fittest player in the world. You've forgotten that messi and Ronaldo are two players whom fatigue rarely affects? EPL tight, yet Kane is scoring over 20+ goals consecutively season in season out even with champions league commitments, yet na messi go find am hard to score 30goals, . Lol.

Even if you talked about more teams parking the bus, but if you check statistically, messi scores many goals against athletico(a team known to park bus in laliga), how then do you think he won't cope?

At least I can look at salah and see that salah scored over 30 goals in the league only, na peak messi wey better pass peak salah 10x go struggle to score 30goals a season?

Come on bro!!!

From 2007 to 2009, how many times did Ronaldo score more than 20 goals. This thing is more than your ability, brother.

Will he bring Xavi and Iniesta and the Tiki Taka crew to do it?

After Salah scored 32, how many did he score the next season? This is EPL. No respecter of man when it comes to the league. In cup games you can do what you like.

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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by 2emotional(m): 1:56pm On Nov 16, 2020
Oasis007:


grin

Weed dey affect am too much. Make e go get fresh air for Madrid.
Which Madrid...ATM I guess.... We reject him,we offer him to Chelsea. grin
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by 2emotional(m): 2:02pm On Nov 16, 2020
Melvyn11:

As long as you agree Messi is an Argentine flop. If we start bringing in stats you won't like it.
grin grin e go shock am. He go humble pas Jonathan
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by 2emotional(m): 2:03pm On Nov 16, 2020
Nezzjnr:
Pogba on #mufc: “This is a period, the kind of which I have never experienced in my career. The French national team is a breath of fresh air… We are very happy to come here and all very happy to see each other again.” #muzone [RTF]

Pogba: “It's not that in the club, we don't have fun, but here, it's not the same. We laugh. It's really a family. And the group we have, regulars or substitutes, it's really magical. And that's why we're happy to come to the selection.“ #muzone [RTF]

Pogba: “The coach has enormous confidence in us. And we trust him too. That mental strength makes the difference. The substitutes, their seriousness and their professionalism, and their talent...they work hard and they don't complain. They really represent France.“ #muzone [RTF]




A United player can actually say this and the club hasn't put him out for sale already?? shocked shocked angry

Who go buy grin
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Jodera: 2:04pm On Nov 16, 2020
Melvyn11:

Sit back and relax

* 4 finals for Argentina
* 0 goals 0 assists

*Went Back to back competition with Argentina scoring 0 goals

* 0 knockout stage goals for Argentina in the world cup

* Went to straight 4 competition with Argentina scoring 0 goals in the knock out stages

*0 trophy as well.


Messi is an Argentine flop.
So the group stage goals he scored doesn't count abi. Yet if he didn't score and they got eliminated in group stage, na still you go bring stats saying how trashy he is.

Also, you didn't tell us he's still one of the most rated players in those competitions, in an Argentina shirt. So na wetin make am monumental flop be that?

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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by 2emotional(m): 2:08pm On Nov 16, 2020
Melvyn11:

Sit back and relax

* 4 finals for Argentina
* 0 goals 0 assists

*Went Back to back competition with Argentina scoring 0 goals

* 0 knockout stage goals for Argentina in the world cup

* Went to straight 4 competition with Argentina scoring 0 goals in the knock out stages

*0 trophy as well.


Messi is an Argentine flop.

Damn

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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Melvyn11: 2:08pm On Nov 16, 2020
Jodera:
So the group stage goals he scored doesn't count abi. Yet if he didn't score and they got eliminated in group stage, na still you go bring stats saying how trashy he is.

Also, you didn't tell us he's still one of the most rated players in those competitions, in an Argentina shirt. So na wetin make am monumental flop be that?

Your performance in the knock stage is what matters not what you did in the freaking group stage and Messi has been huge a flop for Argentina . No amount of Shalayes will change that. Most rated ko Underrated ni.

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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Melvyn11: 2:13pm On Nov 16, 2020
2emotional:

Damn

Neymar1095:

Messi for Argentina has only 4 goals in 21knock out games. With those miserable stats how can Argentina win anything.

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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by 2emotional(m): 2:21pm On Nov 16, 2020
Melvyn11:


damn

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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by odizeey(m): 2:22pm On Nov 16, 2020
2emotional:
damn

No Eibar for country list cheesy cheesy
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Jodera: 2:23pm On Nov 16, 2020
odizeey:


From 2007 to 2009, how many times did Ronaldo score more than 20 goals. This thing is more than your ability, brother.

Will he bring Xavi and Iniesta and the Tiki Taka crew to do it?

After Salah scored 32, how many did he score the next season? This is EPL. No respecter of man when it comes to the league. In cup games you can do what you like.
Lol.... It depends on the team. A peak messi in man city (under Mancini or pellegrini), wouldn't need xavi or iniesta to be shattering goals.

Messi is almost an all rounder, goals, assist interplay, chance creation. Like I said, after all, Kane was scoring goals week in week out.

Messi is that good bro!!

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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by odizeey(m): 2:32pm On Nov 16, 2020
Jodera:
Lol.... It depends on the team. A peak messi in man city (under Mancini or pellegrini), wouldn't need xavi or iniesta to be shattering goals.

Messi is almost an all rounder, goals, assist interplay, chance creation. Like I said, after all, Kane was scoring goals week in week out.

Messi is that good bro!!
You are talking as if Kane was scoring close to 30 every season. Kane has scored 20+ 4 times.

21, 25, 29, 30.

As deadly as Aguero is and was, his highest was 26 in that same Mancity. So how are you so certain his country man will score 30+ without stress.

THIS IS EPL! No respecter of person.

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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by thorrvik55(m): 2:39pm On Nov 16, 2020
odizeey:

You are talking as if Kane was scoring close to 30 every season. Kane has scored 20+ 4 times.

21, 25, 29, 30.

As deadly as Aguero is and was, his highest was 26 in that same Mancity. So how are you so certain his country man will score 30+ without stress.

THIS IS EPL! No respecter of person.

Blatant lie. Boys from supposedly farmer league come to the EPL and turn world beaters..

See Bruno, Ziyech even De Bruyne and Hazard all from farmers league..

If Hazard moved to the premier league after playing in Spanish league (like he played while at Chelsea), u guys would have turned the narrative to it's because of how hard the EPL is that's why he's been poor.

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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by randomperson: 2:47pm On Nov 16, 2020
TrebleChamp:
We wouldn't know cos Messi didn't leave Barcelona. I remember Robinho counting his legovers in La liga making players like Puyol eat grass everytime they meet, he came to Mancity and EPL overwhelmed him. Messi is a football great, but not in the league those i listed earlier imo. He isn't even regarded as the greatest Argentinian player of all time sef.

Maldini only played for one club and never won any international trophy, does that make Pique better than him?? All these parameters you people use are just ridiculous...

And you are mentioning Robinho who was basically a flop at Madrid.

Messi has scored 26 goals against the best teams in the premier league. 26! And he has never played in the league. No single player ever has a better goal per match average against premier league clubs...

Ultimately, Messi is currently regarded by the majority of professional footballers, managers and pundits as the best of his generation and all time... but you want to somehow convince us that he is not even the best Argentine player of all time...

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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by randomperson: 2:53pm On Nov 16, 2020
odizeey:
Una dey shout Messi. Messi. Yes he would have played well but if he had come to the EPL when Ronaldo went to la Liga, Ronaldo for don win like 10 Ballon d'Or now.

Barcelona fits him. If Messi score 35 goals for EPL. E no go pass two times.

Lol... go and check Messi's record against the best premier league teams.

Messi that was bossing el classico when Ramos and Pepe were at their thuggish worst. Salah faced Ramos just once in his best season and got his shoulder dislocated.

When Messi handled the best manager ever in epl, his hand was shaking like he had Parkinson's disease

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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by odizeey(m): 2:55pm On Nov 16, 2020
thorrvik55:


Blatant lie. Boys from supposedly farmer league come to the EPL and turn world beaters..

See Bruno, Ziyech even De Bruyne and Hazard all from farmers league..

If Hazard moved to the premier league after playing in Spanish league (like he played while at Chelsea), u guys would have turned the narrative to it's because of how hard the EPL is that's why he's been poor.

Ogbeni. You will just rush into conversations without reading. I go soon beat you one day.

I said he will do well. But will not score more than 2 30+ goals.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by randomperson: 2:55pm On Nov 16, 2020
Melvyn11:

Sit back and relax

* 4 finals for Argentina
* 0 goals 0 assists

*Went Back to back competition with Argentina scoring 0 goals

* 0 knockout stage goals for Argentina in the world cup

* Went to straight 4 competition with Argentina scoring 0 goals in the knock out stages

*0 trophy as well.


Messi is an Argentine flop.

How many goals and assists does Ronaldo have for Portugal in finals?

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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by odizeey(m): 2:56pm On Nov 16, 2020
randomperson:


Lol... go and check Messi's record against the best premier league teams.

Messi that was bossing el classico when Ramos and Pepe were at their thuggish worst. Salah faced Ramos just once in his best season and got his shoulder dislocated.

When Messi handled the best manager ever in epl, his hand was shaking like he had Parkinson's disease

Hope you know cup games are different from league games. You think chelsea would have won the ucl in 2012 if it was in league format?

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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by thorrvik55(m): 2:58pm On Nov 16, 2020
odizeey:


Ogbeni. You will just rush into conversations without reading. I go soon beat you one day.

I said he will do well. But will not score more than 2 30+ goals.

Lol.. grin grin
One can't say for sure sha cos he never played in EPL. In a team like Pep's City it's possible sha but Mou's Chelsea then he probably won't

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