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Re: Ministry Of Mines Denies Claims Of CBN Buying Gold From Zamfara State Government by dammyz101(m): 7:49am On Nov 17, 2020
This fact news tag is a scam this government is using to coverup the truth. Verify your source cus i always do. Lekki toll is a case study
AnanseK:


Of course many would prefer to believe in fake news and rumors than listen to the facts. I see the above information as the fact and can be further pursued and fully verified. But for those whose objective is the to cause mayhem, hatred and destruction, the fake news from unknown sources are sweeter .
Re: Ministry Of Mines Denies Claims Of CBN Buying Gold From Zamfara State Government by favor914: 7:50am On Nov 17, 2020
FarahAideed:


The provision of the constitution is cardinal yet Fulani herdsmen don't pay a dime as tax on on the 2 billion dollar cattle trade
Obviously oblivious people like you?, Farrah Aideed longtime, it seems you have been away on suspension? Mumudey cattle is agriculture, under the exclusive jurisdiction of your state government, go and ask your state Government what they did with your VAT money?
Re: Ministry Of Mines Denies Claims Of CBN Buying Gold From Zamfara State Government by dammyz101(m): 7:51am On Nov 17, 2020
This fake news tag is a scam this government is using to coverup the truth. Verify your source cus i always do. Lekki toll is a case study
AnanseK:


Of course many would prefer to believe in fake news and rumors than listen to the facts. I see the above information as the fact and can be further pursued and fully verified. But for those whose objective is the to cause mayhem, hatred and destruction, the fake news from unknown sources are sweeter .
Re: Ministry Of Mines Denies Claims Of CBN Buying Gold From Zamfara State Government by Nobody: 7:55am On Nov 17, 2020
nsiba:
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So can't there be "Artisanal Oil miners" too?
What is all this coloration of names?
Don't mind them, they're speaking in different tongues. They are indigenous private companies that are qualified for Artisanal Oil miners in South south region but they won't be allowed to operate and get regulated from FG.
Re: Ministry Of Mines Denies Claims Of CBN Buying Gold From Zamfara State Government by Alezy(m): 7:55am On Nov 17, 2020
I have always said it here, if it was the north that owned oil, first there wouldn't be a Nigeria today cos they won't agree for this force marriage. Secondly, they would have total control of it and not let any other region benefit.

Just imagine gold that they just saw, not like its even much o. They already started personalising it. Yet that same north was built from scratch with the oil money of the south.

God will purnish UK for this forced marriage where only one section benefits. Idiots
Re: Ministry Of Mines Denies Claims Of CBN Buying Gold From Zamfara State Government by favor914: 7:58am On Nov 17, 2020
ejighikemeuwa:
As the miners are selling to bandits, mietty alla, bokoharam, Fulani herdsmen for ak47 or zamfra state government, why not the drillers in east drill sale to IPOB, obiakpo boys, nwaike cult boys, and the eastern governments to balance the equation and bring fair justice If we were truthful about one Nigeria
The Governors know better, playing to the gallery for the docile public, pdp South South Governors playing politics as usual, without a doubt, Section 44(3) states "the entire property in and control of all minerals, mineral oils and natural gas in, under or upon any land in Nigeria or in, under or upon the territorial waters and the Exclusive Economic Zone of Nigeria, shall vest in the Government of the Federation and shall be managed in such manner as may be prescribed by the National Assembly." Likewise the Mineral Act of 2007 is very clear on issue of minerals ownership and exploitation
Re: Ministry Of Mines Denies Claims Of CBN Buying Gold From Zamfara State Government by mamaafrik(m): 7:59am On Nov 17, 2020
this is one reason i love coming to Nairaland,you will see best of analysis,the minister is a smoker,let oil bunkers too be given licence and oil producing state too setup oil drilling and processing platform,oil companies must be owned by state government with at least 50℅ stake,if they can't take that they should look should go to chad Republic for oil

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Re: Ministry Of Mines Denies Claims Of CBN Buying Gold From Zamfara State Government by favor914: 8:03am On Nov 17, 2020
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mamaafrik:
this is one reason i love coming to Nairaland,you will see best of analysis,the minister is a smoker,let oil bunkers too be given licence and oil producing state too setup oil drilling and processing platform,oil companies must be owned by state government with at least 50℅ stake,if they can't take that they should look should go to chad Republic for oil
The Lazy South South states own shares, but the Ex Governors Have transferred state shares, assets, & property to themselves.

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Re: Ministry Of Mines Denies Claims Of CBN Buying Gold From Zamfara State Government by Nobody: 8:06am On Nov 17, 2020
Openbusiness:
It's not about buying refinery or processing crude oil. It is about the LICENSE to drill the oil and who is the facilitator of the drilling.

It was Zamfara govt that was the facilitator of their gold mining.

But the Niger Delta IS NOT allowed to facilitate the drilling of their own gold. That is to say, if Chevron or Total or anybody wants to drill oil in 9ja Delta, they just go through the FG, the State has no say. The FG allocates oil blocs, oil fields etc. So the FG is the facilitator. The State can only tax those companies for operating in their area. But who drills the oil, how they drill it, how long they drill it, what they do with whatever they drill out, the Niger Delta States has no say.


Do you know Osun State has its own gold and more gold deposits than even Zamfara. Did you ever hear of Osun State mining their own gold? The FG is the direct facilitator of gold mining in Osun. But they allowed Zamfara to mine their own gold, and then CBN bought the gold from Zamfara. Even the Deputy Speaker who is an APC member raised a motion on the ILLEGALITY of this Buhari regime fraud. The height of tribalistic nepotism.

https://guardian.ng/opinion/zamfaras-gold-stimulus-for-resource-control/
You try for educating some people on nairaland that doesn't understand what is going on in Nigeria..

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Re: Ministry Of Mines Denies Claims Of CBN Buying Gold From Zamfara State Government by favor914: 8:08am On Nov 17, 2020
Alezy:
I have always said it here, if it was the north that owned oil, first there wouldn't be a Nigeria today cos they won't agree for this force marriage. Secondly, they would have total control of it and not let any other region benefit.

Just imagine gold that they just saw, not like its even much o. They already started personalising it. Yet that same north was built from scratch with the oil money of the south.

God will purnish UK for this forced marriage where only one section benefits. Idiots
God should punish the United Kingdom for creating Nigeria? Hypocrite, what is good for the goose is also good for the gander, Why not God should severely punish your parents for giving birth to you in Nigeria, or for even meeting themselves in the 1st place to conceive you? Since as we all know they say “Charity begins @ Home?
Re: Ministry Of Mines Denies Claims Of CBN Buying Gold From Zamfara State Government by Nobody: 8:16am On Nov 17, 2020
Blue3k:


Yeah there can be If that's what they're actually doing. If you're trying to drees up pipeline thieves aka as lawful oil drillers then no. They explore and drill oil if they get license like other lawful operators.
Pipe line theft and pipe line vandalism are criminal same as illegal miners who mine gold illegally. Nobody is anticipating for theft or illegal access, they want licenses, permit, regulations granted to those artisans for local crude oil wells and drilling so that those host communities will benefit and you will not hear of crude oil theft, vandalism, destruction of pipes in those communities because it will create jobs and safe the nation a lost from those militants. Don't you think it is a win win situation for everyone?

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Re: Ministry Of Mines Denies Claims Of CBN Buying Gold From Zamfara State Government by LagosAirport: 8:17am On Nov 17, 2020
You can't deny a lie naa. The governor himself said it loud and clear that they would be selling the gold to the federal government
Re: Ministry Of Mines Denies Claims Of CBN Buying Gold From Zamfara State Government by bigtt76(f): 8:20am On Nov 17, 2020
Its called oil bunkering because the people vandalize already established oil wells and steal oil from it. If they can afford to prospect for oil on their own and established a functional oil well without disrupting the lives of the people or existing oil wells belonging to oil companies, why not.


Commonsense99:
grin how many decades ago was gold discovered in zamfara?

2nd to the last paragraph," the federal government is yet to, or still registering the artisanal miners, they just hastily started it a while ago with PAGMI" ... grin
The real front men here are the so Called artisanal miners who mines for Zamfara government.
So any body can just grab some mining tools and start digging for gold to sale to zamfara government at giveaway price, to process and sale to CBN ?


why can't there be artisanal oil drillers and refiners in South South? Why call it oil bunkering?

Re: Ministry Of Mines Denies Claims Of CBN Buying Gold From Zamfara State Government by chloride6: 8:26am On Nov 17, 2020
Lmao...

This response is even worse..
Re: Ministry Of Mines Denies Claims Of CBN Buying Gold From Zamfara State Government by Coldie(m): 8:26am On Nov 17, 2020
If u don't have oil or gold in your back yard mind your business

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Re: Ministry Of Mines Denies Claims Of CBN Buying Gold From Zamfara State Government by favor914: 8:27am On Nov 17, 2020
LagosAirport:
You can't deny a lie naa. The governor himself said it loud and clear that they would be selling the gold to the federal government
So the Governor said it, what does that imply? You people scream as if you can change anything? The provisions of the constitution is unambiguous, The Government gives you a license, you mine the gold & sell it to the Government’s Gold Board run by the CBN, it is called out scorching, same thing when you are giving Oil Mineral OML licenses, you sell the cargo oil produced to the Government, you don’t look for international buyers yourself, the Government has brokers for that.
Re: Ministry Of Mines Denies Claims Of CBN Buying Gold From Zamfara State Government by chloride6: 8:29am On Nov 17, 2020
bigtt76:
Its called oil bunkering because the people vandalize already established oil wells and steal oil from it. If they can afford to prospect for oil on their own and established a functional oil well without disrupting the lives of the people or existing oil wells belonging to oil companies, why not.



Lmao...you are confusing illegal bunkering for bunkering.

You think you can just go and start producing oil and gas?

You are joking.

You need to bid for a prospecting license which Artisanal miners havent done.

If you strike oil, you execute an agreement with the government on sharing agreement.

None of this has been done.

The ministry of mines has just made the situation worse.
Re: Ministry Of Mines Denies Claims Of CBN Buying Gold From Zamfara State Government by LagosAirport: 8:29am On Nov 17, 2020
favor914:
So the Governor said it, what does that imply? You people scream as if you can change anything? The provisions of the constitution is unambiguous, The Government gives you a license, you mine the gold & sell it to the Government’s Gold Board run by the CBN, it is called out scorching, same thing when you are giving Oil Mineral OML licenses, you sell the cargo oil produced to the Government, you don’t look for international buyers yourself, the Government has brokers for that.
Thanks for the enlightenment. I will make further research on what you have said
Re: Ministry Of Mines Denies Claims Of CBN Buying Gold From Zamfara State Government by bigtt76(f): 8:31am On Nov 17, 2020
I understand all of these just putting out context with respect to what the OP (or na you sef) posted earlier undecided


chloride6:


Lmao...you are confusing illegal bunkering for bunkering.

You think you can just go and start producing oil and gas?

You are joking.

You need to bid for a prospecting license which Artisanal miners havent done.

If you strike oil, you execute an agreement with the government on sharing agreement.

None of this has been done.

The ministry of mines has just made the situation worse.
Re: Ministry Of Mines Denies Claims Of CBN Buying Gold From Zamfara State Government by Commonsense99: 8:31am On Nov 17, 2020
bigtt76:
Its called oil bunkering because the people vandalize already established oil wells and steal oil from it. If they can afford to prospect for oil on their own and established a functional oil well without disrupting the lives of the people or existing oil wells belonging to oil companies, why not.
Are you trying to compare the rudiments of owning an oil well to what is happening in Zamfara?
What's the difference between a guy who vandalised and stole oil, and a guy who stole gold from its deposits?
Does South South states control their oil? Here zamfara is indirectly running the racket themselves.
Didn't you notice the foot drag in registering the artisanal criminals from the FG, while we all know how same FG guides and apportion oil Wells to Northerners.
We must be prepared to tell ourselves the truth sometimes.
Re: Ministry Of Mines Denies Claims Of CBN Buying Gold From Zamfara State Government by bigtt76(f): 8:33am On Nov 17, 2020
That is why the SS governors ought to come together and fight the government for this if truly what is happening in Zamfara is anything to go by. Many states have moribund mines which could be restarted by the state governments if given the opportunity.


Commonsense99:

Are you trying to compare the rudiments of owning an oil well to what is happening in Zamfara?
Does South South states control their oil? Here zamfara is indirectly running the racket themselves.
Didn't you notice the foot drag in registering the artisanal criminals from the FG, while we all know how same FG guides and apportion oil Wells to Northerners.
We must be prepared to tell ourselves the truth sometimes.
Re: Ministry Of Mines Denies Claims Of CBN Buying Gold From Zamfara State Government by Coldie(m): 8:36am On Nov 17, 2020
favor914:
T The Lazy South South states own shares, but the Ex Governors Have transferred state shares, assets, & property to themselves.
They will never tell u the truth. Everybody's the problem apart from them
Re: Ministry Of Mines Denies Claims Of CBN Buying Gold From Zamfara State Government by thatigboman: 8:57am On Nov 17, 2020
amerengues:
Hmmm

This piece lacks coherence and cohesion. As much as attempt is being made to illuminate on the issue, it hasn’t broached the bone of contention.

It doesn’t capture the issue that led to the highbrow raised by Oil producing states. Will the government permit the same for Oil regions in Nigeria?
i tried hard to understand what the ministry was talking about, I couldnt

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Re: Ministry Of Mines Denies Claims Of CBN Buying Gold From Zamfara State Government by infohenry(m): 9:06am On Nov 17, 2020
Rugaria:
If Zamfara "artisanal miners" can be recognized and allowed to operate like legitimate business outfits, "oil bunkerers" in the Niger Delta should also be allowed to operate unhindered. . That means soldiers should stop shooting at local folks that are branded oil thieves for helping themselves with the resources found in their land... Folks from oil producing areas should start oil and gas exploration whenever they want without licenses and sell to NNPC?

Folks, this government is evil! You can see the kind of argeument being churned out to defend evil. Rather than implement the law, Buhari is shifting the goalpost once again! The biggest problem with Buhari is his inherent inability to call a spade a spade, whenever the culprits are from his tribe/zone/party, dude starts to speak in tongues! The man will rather run from pillar to post, Scanvenging for excuses, rather than allow the law take it's full course! Buhari and his likes should never have been anywhere near a presidential house!
Bunkering is different, why the artisanal miners do the mining, oil bunkerers vandalise some other persons investment and steal from it. Mining licencese can be obtained by any niger delta state or individual like Belema oil did and develop the wells and start drilling.
Re: Ministry Of Mines Denies Claims Of CBN Buying Gold From Zamfara State Government by Agbegbaorogboye: 9:06am On Nov 17, 2020
Blue3k:


Lol in essence get off your butt and take initiative. Zamfara got the license and took advantage of the program in mining like other could of done. Has anyone heard of the federal government denying any state license to do the same thing? If the ss governor have an issue the supreme court will always be there to settle it.

Baba read that ur OP again. Don't let them use grammar to confuse you. Let me break it down.

Artisanal miners were mining illegally. Then selling to bandits(criminals). If this is not economic sabotage and accessory to crime of banditry I don't know what else it is. But the ministry made an excuse for them that they were ignorant. When did ignorance become an excuse under our laws?

The state government is now collecting the revenue on behalf of the Federal govt by setting up buying centres like NNPC does in oil and gas. Since when did state government become a revenue collector agency. I ask you. If Delta state were to approach the federal government that it wants to go into partnership with Chevron to prospect for oil do you really think that will be acceptable? Where is the equivalent of NNPC in the mining sector?

We all saw pictures of the Zamfara state governor handing over the bars to the CBN gov. The news also told us how much was paid by the CBN to Zamfara state. It was after eyebrows were raised that everyone started singing a song of denial.

What is going on is illegal to start with and another example of govt by the north. Don't be deceived. States don't pay money into federation account. They have their own accounts separate for their IGRs. If not, let the MoF show us the receipts for the remittance of the gold purchase by Zamfara govt into the Fed account.
Re: Ministry Of Mines Denies Claims Of CBN Buying Gold From Zamfara State Government by VEE2010(m): 9:10am On Nov 17, 2020
What a moronic defense!

So, local miners in the North are allowed to extract gold and even have the legal right to sell same to the government while oil bunkers in the south are being arrested, demoralised and killed as common criminals and even labelled militants?

It's high time we started thinking aloud, there is no single trust and fairness in this socalled union (Nigeria)
Re: Ministry Of Mines Denies Claims Of CBN Buying Gold From Zamfara State Government by Agbegbaorogboye: 9:11am On Nov 17, 2020
infohenry:
Bunkering is different, why the artisanal miners do the mining, oil bunkerers vandalise some other persons investment and steal from it. Mining licencese can be obtained by any niger delta state or individual like Belema oil did and develop the wells and start drilling.
Who gave artisanal miners license? When was there a public bid for the licenses? Or don't you know that any govt properties being sold or concessioned are supposed to be done in a public bid?
If the miners don't have a gold mining license, what they are doing is same as bunkering because they don't have the right to mine without a license. Any other thing is bullcrap
Re: Ministry Of Mines Denies Claims Of CBN Buying Gold From Zamfara State Government by Agbegbaorogboye: 9:16am On Nov 17, 2020
LagosAirport:

Thanks for the enlightenment. I will make further research on what you have said

If you believe that thing, you're on your own. It lies to defend govt like no tomorrow
Re: Ministry Of Mines Denies Claims Of CBN Buying Gold From Zamfara State Government by LagosAirport: 9:17am On Nov 17, 2020
Agbegbaorogboye:


If you believe that thing, you're on your own. It lies to defend govt like no tomorrow

Bros I am a gentleman. I don't like to argue too much

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Re: Ministry Of Mines Denies Claims Of CBN Buying Gold From Zamfara State Government by Agbegbaorogboye: 9:19am On Nov 17, 2020
favor914:
So the Governor said it, what does that imply? You people scream as if you can change anything? The provisions of the constitution is unambiguous, The Government gives you a license, you mine the gold & sell it to the Government’s Gold Board run by the CBN, it is called out scorching, same thing when you are giving Oil Mineral OML licenses, you sell the cargo oil produced to the Government, you don’t look for international buyers yourself, the Government has brokers for that.

What a bloody lie!! So Shell sells the oil it produces at Bonga fields to the Federal govt? grin grin

You just come online with the sole aim to confuse people and spread lies.
So what does the NNPC do? It buys the oil abi? You better keep quiet and stop spreading lies all in a bid to defend rubbish. I just hope you're not a southerner cause that will be the biggest shame in all this.
Re: Ministry Of Mines Denies Claims Of CBN Buying Gold From Zamfara State Government by ibuildstuff(m): 9:20am On Nov 17, 2020
Blue3k:


Lol in essence get off your butt and take initiative. Zamfara got the license and took advantage of the program in mining like other could of done. Has anyone heard of the federal government denying any state license to do the same thing? If the ss governor have an issue the supreme court will always be there to settle it.
Who are the artisanal miners, who gave them license to mine the gold, can anyone just go about mining crude oil in Niger Delta?

From what I observed, these artisanal miners are illiterate, invariably it means anyone can just go zamfara n start mining gold.
Re: Ministry Of Mines Denies Claims Of CBN Buying Gold From Zamfara State Government by infohenry(m): 9:35am On Nov 17, 2020
Agbegbaorogboye:

Who gave artisanal miners license? When was there a public bid for the licenses? Or don't you know that any govt properties being sold or concessioned are supposed to be done in a public bid?
If the miners don't have a gold mining license, what they are doing is same as bunkering because they don't have the right to mine without a license. Any other thing is bullcrap
Mining license is issued by ministry of mines and solid minerals, like I said oil mining is different from gold, it requires huge capital investment and advance technology, so it is not all comers affair. The government should look into the area of local refineries in the creek and like the artisanal miners, organise them in cooperatives and allocate crude to them for refining in an environmental friendly manner.

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