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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Karleb(m): 10:29am On Nov 17, 2020 |
Melvyn11: As good as Messi is, this is one of the things that'll forever haunt his career. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by TrebleChamp(m): 10:59am On Nov 17, 2020 |
thorrvik55:No need for further debate necessary.... |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Bunsenbun(m): 11:00am On Nov 17, 2020 |
LostMyZeal:well his 6 ballon dor totally throws all these your argument to shit 1 Like |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by afrodoc2: 11:01am On Nov 17, 2020 |
Jodera: Well to play devil's advocate Pele did dominate a super league called the World Cup, winning 3 times and scoring 3 goals and 3 assists in 2 finals. Not taking anything away from Messi's achievements, but it is what it is. 4 Likes |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Bunsenbun(m): 11:01am On Nov 17, 2020 |
TrebleChamp:yeah he was that dope |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Bunsenbun(m): 11:04am On Nov 17, 2020 |
JayKayMaybachz:forwards definitely argentina |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Jodera: 11:09am On Nov 17, 2020 |
afrodoc2:Nice... Facts tho 1 Like |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by TrebleChamp(m): 11:10am On Nov 17, 2020 |
afrodoc2:Pele is not even a one club man, he also played football in the United State of American. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Jodera: 11:11am On Nov 17, 2020 |
LostMyZeal:what's the basis of ranking IBRA higher than messi? 1 Like |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by afrodoc2: 11:14am On Nov 17, 2020 |
TrebleChamp: Nah. That was Pele's ghost playing in a monkey post league. It does not add to or take away from his claim to being the G.O.A.T. Messi has not retired by the way. He might still go and play in the Korean or Chinese league one day which is the equivalent of Pele's soujorn in the U.S 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by afrodoc2: 11:15am On Nov 17, 2020 |
But how did Ibrahimovic enter this debate? O wrong nau. 3 Likes |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by TrebleChamp(m): 11:23am On Nov 17, 2020 |
afrodoc2:Doc i rate Maradona over Pele, maybe because i didn't watch the latter play... |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by afrodoc2: 11:34am On Nov 17, 2020 |
TrebleChamp: It is mainly because of that. Those who never watched Pele but grew up in the 80s usually say Maradona is the greatest. Those who watched neither but grew up in the 2000s and 2010s say Messi (or CR7) is the greatest. I didn't watch Pele but after much research and consulting Otem i would say Pele is the greatest because he dominated at all levels both with individual honors and team titles. There is a difference between greatest and best. Messi with his serial failures at international level and impotence in crucial international finals can't be greater than Pele. He might be better skilled but he is definitely not greater than a serial winner like O Rei. 10 Likes |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Karleb(m): 11:58am On Nov 17, 2020 |
afrodoc2: It's good to see an unbiased analysis here. Let me add that people who love Messi think he is best. People who love Ronaldo think he is the best. I think the GOAT argument is good for the media, no wonder they keep fanning its ember. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by randomperson: 12:00pm On Nov 17, 2020 |
LostMyZeal: Lmao.... na you e dey pain now. Players, coaches and journalists all over the world voted Messi as the best player in the world 6 different times but one boy that has lost his zeal is claiming fraud... You can claim your fraud from now till Jesus comes, it wouldn't change the fact that Messi is recognized as the GOAT by most of the people that matter 5 Likes |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by randomperson: 12:08pm On Nov 17, 2020 |
LostMyZeal: Lol... this one is just a pained CR7 and Mourinho fan. Messi has more goals and assists than Ronaldo while playing over 100 less games. He has more trophies and more individual honors But at least you have drop mic 1 Like |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by BlueAngel444: 12:10pm On Nov 17, 2020 |
thorrvik55:which Sterling is dominating, which league? 1 Like |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Karleb(m): 12:19pm On Nov 17, 2020 |
BlueAngel444: You should have just looked away. 1 Like |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by BlueAngel444: 12:20pm On Nov 17, 2020 |
spillo1:Southgate clearly uses 3-4-3 when last did he use a back 4 and shouldn't it be Rice/Dier or Henderson/Mount Grealish can only play that LW for England, meaning England have four wingers Grealish, Sterling, Sancho, Rashford, or more |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by BlueAngel444: 12:21pm On Nov 17, 2020 |
Karleb:lol the thing enter my eye na |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by KingFalcon: 12:24pm On Nov 17, 2020 |
thorrvik55:k |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by randomperson: 12:34pm On Nov 17, 2020 |
afrodoc2: Your argument is valid although I don't agree completely. Pele played at a time when football was not that competitive. Players were not as physically fit as they are now, and it's easy to distinguish yourself when you're surrounded by mediocre or average athletes. Besides, Pele played for very good teams. Brazil was so far ahead of others that they were able to win the world cup with Pele injured all through the tournament. That's why I think Maradona is superior to Pele because he played in a competitive era. For me, Messi is not only the best ever but the greatest ever because he has delivered outstanding performances consistently for almost 15 years and counting. He has the highest number of individual honors and his statistics are superior to any player. No player combines all the facets of attacking- scoring, passing and dribbling like him. He was already getting GOAT shouts as far back as 2011 at 23 years old. By the time he is done with his career he will probably have the highest profile ever in football 3 Likes |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by thorrvik55(m): 12:44pm On Nov 17, 2020 |
BlueAngel444: Name Left Wingers in the league better than Sterling, let's start from there 1 Like |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by TrebleChamp(m): 12:48pm On Nov 17, 2020 |
afrodoc2:The bolded got me cracking. Nice analysis here, this debate btw Pele and Maradona may no go away anything soon though... |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by afrodoc2: 12:55pm On Nov 17, 2020 |
randomperson: Messi played for a dominant team at club level as well. He succeeded there so kudos to him but every time his country needed him to step up he failed. Can you tell us how many goals or assists he has in finals for Argentina? How many goals he has in the knockout stages of the World Cup? If you are knocking Pele for playing for dominant national teams then we can also knock Messi for playing for dominant club teams. Difference is Pele scored goals and won titles playing for both club and country. Whether it be Champions League or World Cup it didn’t matter. He was serving everybody thick fat Ls. Let Messi try those his dribbles playing the Olumo rock they called ball in the 60s, on the rice farm they called pitch in the 60s, against the hired killers they called defenders in the 60s. You yourself said Pele was kicked out of 2 world cups due to injuries. Those injuries didn’t happen due to prayers. If we have only tape of Messi’s national career without his club career nobody will put him in GOAT category in 20 yrs time. That is exactly what you lot are doing. Using mainly national team highlights to judge Pele because most of his club film has been lost. 5 Likes |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by odizeey(m): 12:58pm On Nov 17, 2020 |
TrebleChamp:World champion wen dey run from fight na champion? Zero. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by afrodoc2: 12:58pm On Nov 17, 2020 |
TrebleChamp: If you delve deep into it and source as many Pele tapes as you can you will find that he was as skillful as these other guys. If you factor in his goals at club and national team level plus his World Cup dominance he is the greatest. And to the guy who said they were taking about Messi as GOAT at 23, Pele was in GOAT conversation at 21 and had sealed it at 25. 3 Likes |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by odizeey(m): 12:59pm On Nov 17, 2020 |
sleekdot:Them claim GOAT? |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by schurley(m): 12:59pm On Nov 17, 2020 |
randomperson: Is not only goat shout, what about Ram shout. Mtcheew, a Perennial failure losing 4 straight finals for his country, annually been disgraced from the Champions league for 5 years in a row, 2-0, 3-0, 3-0, 4-0, 8-2, by Athletico, Juventus, fucking Roma, Liverpool, and Bayern respectively. If Maradona and Pele were serial loser like this, would they be tagged as goat. Before bringing the his goals assist, most dribbles, most legover into the argument, note this Laliga is a shit league for a good players to stat pad which Ronaldo did conveniently, with the best goal ratio per minute till date, scoring hatricks for fun. I'm sure if Ronaldo remain in the Epl with is paltry 24, 27 league goals per season, Messi would be call his daddy, but look at how Ronaldo started recording 50 goals conveniently for 5 straight season in the so called best league in the world. Messi is a great player, but shoe get size, Maradona and Pele didn't become a serial winner to be compare to some Laliga kingpin ooh, nuff said. 2 Likes |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by odizeey(m): 1:02pm On Nov 17, 2020 |
KingTom: Okay. Noted. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by schurley(m): 1:10pm On Nov 17, 2020 |
thorrvik55: Sterling is a little bit above average at best, Son, Mane, Rashford, Pulisic, Richarlison won't be in that City's team without hitting double figures easily, City that play free flowing football under Guardiola, averaging 5-8 goal scoring chances per game, Abeegi. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by randomperson: 1:14pm On Nov 17, 2020 |
schurley: Anyone saying la Liga is a shit league is obviously ignorant. Most UCLs and Europa leagues, better head-to-head against EPL teams and boasting of the best players in the history of the game. Ronaldo's goal tally increased in la liga because of two issues: 1. He started playing with better creative players, Ozil, Alonso, Di Maria, Marcelo, benzema etc. 2. He started playing further forward You want proof? Ronaldo's goal tally also increased substantially in the Champions league. Or is it la liga defenders that are in champions league to? You can cry all you want but Messi's status as the best of the best is practically cemented. 3 Likes |
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