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Re: Ministry Of Mines Denies Claims Of CBN Buying Gold From Zamfara State Government by Amhappy(f): 9:40am On Nov 17, 2020
Its time for ND to push for resource control. The explanation is trash trash trash. Advertise the license and sell it officially, FG go into partnership with Mining companies as it's do for oil and gas. Sell the gold and 13% derivation goes to the state. Any other thing is short of standard practice.

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Re: Ministry Of Mines Denies Claims Of CBN Buying Gold From Zamfara State Government by AnanseK(m): 9:42am On Nov 17, 2020
onyechez:

No , some part of the country has asked for it peacefully in the past but they were treated with lethal force and called criminals. The FG should start from there if they're sincere then the rest part of the country will separate peacefully.

No part of the country has formally asked for separation, but some terrorists Group have been disturbing the peace in a number of communities. No government will tolerate miscreants.
Re: Ministry Of Mines Denies Claims Of CBN Buying Gold From Zamfara State Government by Rugaria: 9:43am On Nov 17, 2020
infohenry:
Bunkering is different, why the artisanal miners do the mining, oil bunkerers vandalise some other persons investment and steal from it. Mining licencese can be obtained by any niger delta state or individual like Belema oil did and develop the wells and start drilling.
What an interesting argeument..
Re: Ministry Of Mines Denies Claims Of CBN Buying Gold From Zamfara State Government by Kirigidi(m): 9:43am On Nov 17, 2020
Blue3k:


Lol in essence get off your butt and take initiative. Zamfara got the license and took advantage of the program in mining like other could of done. Has anyone heard of the federal government denying any state license to do the same thing? If the ss governor have an issue the supreme court will always be there to settle it.
Has the Federal Government granted artisans(individuals) in the Niger Delta to be mining oil and gas with the South-South states buying the mined oil and gas from the artisans as presently obtainable in the North? Artisans that are presently mining oil in the Niger Delta are been tagged "oil bunkers" and "illegal refinery operators", while their counterparts in Zamfara State are been organised into a so-called "cooperative" by the Federal Government under Buhari as they mine their resources on their own. The Northerners have taken us for granted for too long, and one day we Niger Deltans will resist all these cheating to protect our resources even if it means armed fight.

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Re: Ministry Of Mines Denies Claims Of CBN Buying Gold From Zamfara State Government by One4me: 9:44am On Nov 17, 2020
Fraudulent Constitution, written by Fulanis, for the benefit of Northerners and looting of resources from Southern Nigeria.
Nigeria is a FRAUD

#NotMyConstitution

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Re: Ministry Of Mines Denies Claims Of CBN Buying Gold From Zamfara State Government by Agbegbaorogboye: 9:44am On Nov 17, 2020
infohenry:
Mining license is issued by ministry of mines and solid minerals, like I said oil mining is different from gold, it requires huge capital investment and advance technology, so it is not all comers affair. The government should look into the area of local refineries in the creek and like the artisanal miners, organise them in cooperatives and allocate crude to them for refining in an environmental friendly manner.

Lol. So you believe those illiterate miners in Zamfara who use local dynamites and pickaxes to mine for gold actually approached a ministry in Abuja for mining license? Can they even spell mining license? Get real bro

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Re: Ministry Of Mines Denies Claims Of CBN Buying Gold From Zamfara State Government by Rugaria: 9:46am On Nov 17, 2020
AnanseK:


No part of the country has formally asked for separation, but some terrorists Group have been disturbing the peace in a number of communities. No government will tolerate miscreants.
It actually takes some nerve for a product of a culture full of miscreants to accuse decent folks fighting for their rights of being "miscreants".

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Re: Ministry Of Mines Denies Claims Of CBN Buying Gold From Zamfara State Government by infohenry(m): 9:58am On Nov 17, 2020
Agbegbaorogboye:


Lol. So you believe those [b]illiterate miners in Zamfara who use local dynamites and pickaxes to mine for gold actually approached a ministry in Abuja for mining license? [/b]Can they even spell mining license? Get real bro
Funny you, I don't know how they did it but according to news they where organise into groups for the business, I don't work for government, but oil
sector is area of interest to me because is familiar terrain.
Re: Ministry Of Mines Denies Claims Of CBN Buying Gold From Zamfara State Government by AnanseK(m): 10:06am On Nov 17, 2020
Rugaria:

It actually takes some nerve for a product of a culture full of miscreants to accuse decent folks fighting for their rights of being "miscreants".

Decent folks indeed. With the terrorists leader calling his brainless followers to kill soldiers and policemen and to kill certain named politicians and governors and to steal arms and kill and this for you is decency ?
Re: Ministry Of Mines Denies Claims Of CBN Buying Gold From Zamfara State Government by Nobody: 10:08am On Nov 17, 2020
AnanseK:


No part of the country has formally asked for separation, but some terrorists Group have been disturbing the peace in a number of communities. No government will tolerate miscreants.
Am talking about the civil war between the SOUTH EAST OF NIGERIA and the federal government in collaboration with the British government.
Re: Ministry Of Mines Denies Claims Of CBN Buying Gold From Zamfara State Government by Nobody: 10:08am On Nov 17, 2020
AnanseK:


No part of the country has formally asked for separation, but some terrorists Group have been disturbing the peace in a number of communities. No government will tolerate miscreants.
Am talking about the civil war between the SOUTH EAST and the federal government in collaboration with the British government.
Re: Ministry Of Mines Denies Claims Of CBN Buying Gold From Zamfara State Government by oyatz(m): 10:25am On Nov 17, 2020
Rugaria:
If Zamfara "artisanal miners" can be recognized and allowed to operate like legitimate business outfits, "oil bunkerers" in the Niger Delta should also be allowed to operate unhindered. . That means soldiers should stop shooting at local folks that are branded oil thieves for helping themselves with the resources found in their land... Folks from oil producing areas should start oil and gas exploration whenever they want without licenses and sell to NNPC?

Folks, this government is evil! You can see the kind of argeument being churned out to defend evil. Rather than implement the law, Buhari is shifting the goalpost once again! The biggest problem with Buhari is his inherent inability to call a spade a spade, whenever the culprits are from his tribe/zone/party, dude starts to speak in tongues! The man will rather run from pillar to post, Scanvenging for excuses, rather than allow the law take it's full course! Buhari and his likes should never have been anywhere near a presidential house!

1) Are mining and bunkery' the same?

2) There are Indigenes of Niger Delta (sometimes in collaboration with their State Governments) that have license for oil exploration.

3) Artisinal miners operate in ALL States where valuable minerals can be found and the business is centuries old.
Re: Ministry Of Mines Denies Claims Of CBN Buying Gold From Zamfara State Government by Rugaria: 10:30am On Nov 17, 2020
oyatz:


1) Are mining and bunkery' the same?

2) There are Indigenes of Niger Delta (sometimes in collaboration with their State Governments) that have license for oil exploration.

3) Artisinal miners operate in ALL States where valuable minerals can be found and the business is centuries old.

So "artisanal bunkery" should be legalised too, right? Just open up a body so they register and start off "legally", ok?

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Re: Ministry Of Mines Denies Claims Of CBN Buying Gold From Zamfara State Government by sojfarm: 10:34am On Nov 17, 2020
Let the buyer and seller defend themselves. Stop this useless damage control.

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Re: Ministry Of Mines Denies Claims Of CBN Buying Gold From Zamfara State Government by oyatz(m): 10:36am On Nov 17, 2020
Commonsense99:

This is the point, there is no difference between the guy who steals from government oil pipeline without permission and the guy who digs gold for years without permission.

Who gave the artisanal miners licences to dig supposed government gold deposits for decades ? The ministry implicated itself by accepting that PAGMI is just beign formed TO REGISTER artisan criminals who have been having a field day, why attack their Niger delta counterparts?
This is not to say anyone supports such acts , but what is sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.


You don't know much about the processes of crude Oil exploration and extraction, otherwise you ought to have known that damaging a pipeline carrying crude oil (drilled, extracted and already bought by oil companies) is different from digging the ground for 15- 20 meters, looking for shining pieces of stones that may or may not turn out to be gold upon purification.


It's practically impossible for the Federal Government to monitor the whole of this country looking for who is digging the ground. This is why I am in support of resources control by each State.

States are closer to their people and are in better positions to Know who is digging in certain areas.

Artisinal miners are in Kogi Enugu, Anambra, Osun, Plateau, Kano, Oyo, Ondo, Taraba and indeed anywhere where they can see precious stones.
Re: Ministry Of Mines Denies Claims Of CBN Buying Gold From Zamfara State Government by Agbegbaorogboye: 10:54am On Nov 17, 2020
infohenry:
Funny you, I don't know how they did it but according to news they where organise into groups for the business, I don't work for government, but oil
sector is area of interest to me because is familiar terrain.
Good. This newspiece says they used to sell the gold to bandits before the state organized them. Now imagine oil bunkerers mining oil illegally and selling to Niger delta militants. What manner of animal do you think would have been unleashed by the FG to dance or smile at them?
That is beside the fact that if the Zamfara govt knew that the proceeds from the gold will go to the Fed account, I can assure you they will not go near this thing they are doing because it will be a net loss for them. The calculations show it so
Re: Ministry Of Mines Denies Claims Of CBN Buying Gold From Zamfara State Government by Blue3k(m): 1:26pm On Nov 17, 2020
Atlas9:


The issue of oil is what is on the table. If the FG has total control of hydrocarbons, why is Zamfara in charge of gold?
Your 'get off your butt' retort is symptomatic of shortsightedness and ignorant of the indomitable nature of the human spirit.
This onesided way of doing things that favours only the north will explode catastrophically, unless the imbalance is addressed. Don't assume that it will continue unchallenged forever.

You guys should read before making this false arguments. They already debunked Zamfara controlling minerals. They applied for a license and were granted by the FG. Its up to you to prove the SS governors denied same type of licenses. If you have a challenge to it to the Supreme court.


Agbegbaorogboye:

What is going on is illegal to start with and another example of govt by the north. Don't be deceived. States don't pay money into federation account. They have their own accounts separate for their IGRs. If not, let the MoF show us the receipts for the remittance of the gold purchase by Zamfara govt into the Fed account.

You're lying the dont collect tax on behalf on federal government. The remittance payments are published every year. The only reason you dont know is because you never looked for the information.

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Re: Ministry Of Mines Denies Claims Of CBN Buying Gold From Zamfara State Government by favor914: 2:50pm On Nov 17, 2020
One4me:


#NotMyConstitution
Refugee without borders?
Re: Ministry Of Mines Denies Claims Of CBN Buying Gold From Zamfara State Government by fashrola(m): 2:55pm On Nov 17, 2020
Commonsense99:
grin how many decades ago was gold discovered in zamfara?

2nd to the last paragraph," the federal government is yet to, or still registering the artisanal miners, they just hastily started it a while ago with PAGMI" ... grin
The real front men here are the so Called artisanal miners who mines for Zamfara government.
So any body can just grab some mining tools and start digging for gold to sale to zamfara government at giveaway price, to process and sale to CBN ?


why can't there be artisanal oil drillers and refiners in South South? Why call it oil bunkering?



You get common sense like your moniker.....
Re: Ministry Of Mines Denies Claims Of CBN Buying Gold From Zamfara State Government by Misterone: 3:20pm On Nov 17, 2020
amerengues:
Hmmm

This piece lacks coherence and cohesion. As much as attempt is being made to illuminate on the issue, it hasn’t broached the bone of contention.

It doesn’t capture the issue that led to the eyebrow raised by Oil producing states. Will the government permit the same for Oil regions in Nigeria?
you guys like heating the Polity for no just cause. It was clearly stated that any State that want to be involve in mining exploration and production should register a company, That company will be subjected to the laws and regulation of the land. many states have their own oil companies so I wonder why the shout
Re: Ministry Of Mines Denies Claims Of CBN Buying Gold From Zamfara State Government by Edidiong123: 4:15pm On Nov 17, 2020
Re: Ministry Of Mines Denies Claims Of CBN Buying Gold From Zamfara State Government by Agbegbaorogboye: 4:28pm On Nov 17, 2020
Blue3k:


You guys should read before making this false arguments. They already debunked Zamfara controlling minerals. They applied for a license and were granted by the FG. Its up to you to prove the SS governors denied same type of licenses. If you have a challenge to it to the Supreme court.




You're lying the dont collect tax on behalf on federal government. The remittance payments are published every year. The only reason you dont know is because you never looked for the information.
What tax does the state remit to federal govt?
Even the payee, the federal govt collects on behalf of states. So tell me the tax states collect and remit to the federation account
Re: Ministry Of Mines Denies Claims Of CBN Buying Gold From Zamfara State Government by blackpanda: 5:28pm On Nov 17, 2020
Chekwume16:
We are talking about permission to drill and you are talking about buying. Are the illegal miners buying to refine and sell or they are mining to sell?

Who denied u exploration license There are many indigenous oil companies in the niger delta. So what's ur point
Re: Ministry Of Mines Denies Claims Of CBN Buying Gold From Zamfara State Government by blackpanda: 5:29pm On Nov 17, 2020
Agbegbaorogboye:

What tax does the state remit to federal govt?
Even the payee, the federal govt collects on behalf of states. So tell me the tax states collect and remit to the federation account

So joint tax board is for what?
Re: Ministry Of Mines Denies Claims Of CBN Buying Gold From Zamfara State Government by Agbegbaorogboye: 5:38pm On Nov 17, 2020
blackpanda:


So joint tax board is for what?
What is dis one saying?
Why don't you find out what joint tax board is before asking silly question
Re: Ministry Of Mines Denies Claims Of CBN Buying Gold From Zamfara State Government by papaa4: 5:50pm On Nov 17, 2020
favor914:
only oblivious people would have believed the rumor, the provisions of the constitution is cardinal.
Y did d FG didn’t say is fake news, wen it is everywhere
Re: Ministry Of Mines Denies Claims Of CBN Buying Gold From Zamfara State Government by Blue3k(m): 6:01pm On Nov 17, 2020
Agbegbaorogboye:

What tax does the state remit to federal govt?
Even the payee, the federal govt collects on behalf of states. So tell me the tax states collect and remit to the federation account

All legal mining activity is taxed and accounted for. Cure your ignorance by visiting the NEITI website the publish the remittance from mining industry every year. As I told you before you dont know anything because you never looked it up. I dont understand why people like you have strong opinions on thing you clearly dont have any clue about.

https://www.neiti.gov.ng/index.php/media-center/news/498-nigeria-earned-n69-47-billion-from-solid-minerals-sector-in-2018

Re: Ministry Of Mines Denies Claims Of CBN Buying Gold From Zamfara State Government by NaMeAboki: 6:51pm On Nov 17, 2020
May God help our southern Blodas with comprehension; something written in clear black and white; still they will misinterpret and misconstrue it into something else in line with their biased mindset.
You sometimes wonder why many of them even bothered with school.
Re: Ministry Of Mines Denies Claims Of CBN Buying Gold From Zamfara State Government by AnanseK(m): 7:43pm On Nov 17, 2020
onyechez:

Am talking about the civil war between the SOUTH EAST OF NIGERIA and the federal government in collaboration with the British government.

The civil war started on January 15th 1966, when Military Officers from a certain tribe decided to wipe away all the senior military officers and most senior political officers from other tribes including the Prime Minister and regional leaders. They preserved the Military Officers and top politicians from their own tribes. That was the beginning of the war and we know who fired the first shots on that Friday night.
July 1967 was erroneously believed to be the beginning of the war.
Re: Ministry Of Mines Denies Claims Of CBN Buying Gold From Zamfara State Government by Agbegbaorogboye: 8:25pm On Nov 17, 2020
Blue3k:


All legal mining activity is taxed and accounted for. Cure your ignorance by visiting the NEITI website the publish the remittance from mining industry every year. As I told you before you dont know anything because you never looked it up. I dont understand why people like you have strong opinions on thing you clearly dont have any clue about.

https://www.neiti.gov.ng/index.php/media-center/news/498-nigeria-earned-n69-47-billion-from-solid-minerals-sector-in-2018

What manner of insolence is dis?
How exactly does this prove the legality or otherwise of zamfara gold mining?
Or do you mean the artisanal miners who were selling to bandits were returning profits to the federation account?
This is cheap ignorance!!
You're just clutching at straws.
Re: Ministry Of Mines Denies Claims Of CBN Buying Gold From Zamfara State Government by Blue3k(m): 8:46pm On Nov 17, 2020
Agbegbaorogboye:


What manner of insolence is dis?
How exactly does this prove the legality or otherwise of zamfara gold mining?
Or do you mean the artisanal miners who were selling to bandits were returning profits to the federation account?
This is cheap ignorance!!
You're just clutching at straws.

Lol stop asking dumb questions. The article clearly states the company received a license to mine gold in Zamfara making them legal. Not all mining is illegal mining either. If you cant distinguish between legal and illegal miners you have no business discussing the topic. It's cear you're very ignorant about the topic dont have the sense to stay quite or enlighten yourself.

Re: Ministry Of Mines Denies Claims Of CBN Buying Gold From Zamfara State Government by Agbegbaorogboye: 9:02pm On Nov 17, 2020
Blue3k:


Lol stop asking dumb questions. The article clearly states the company received a license to mine gold in Zamfara making them legal. Not all mining is illegal mining either. If you cant distinguish between legal and illegal miners you have no business discussing the topic. It's cear you're very ignorant about the topic dont have the sense to stay quite or enlighten yourself.


Lol. You're sounding very confused.
What company is called "local artisanal miners"?
What's their registration code with CAC and where are their remittances with FIRS?
I already told you that you're clutching at straws.
Go back and read the op you posted and see the crux of the matter.
Zamfara state converted illegal miners to legal miners by fiat and went ahead to sell the gold to the CBN as its own.
You're bringing up a report of mining activities that covered 2015 to 2018 to justify 2020 activities.
Thought you said states make remittances into the federation account.
I wonder who you think you're deceiving.
FYI, that your article clearly shows that over 80% mining activities is in the SW where limestone is mined by cement manufacturers.
You have deceived no one but yourself!!

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