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Re: Why Ikwerres Are Not Igbo - The Logic Behind It by samuk: 9:00am On Nov 19, 2020 |
It is gratifying to know that Yoruba written history began after the end of old Benin empire in 1897. Benin with much older written history couldn't have borrowed the Oba title from Yoruba whose written history began in late 1800s after the end of Benin empire. Yoruba rose from the ashes of great Benin and you guys have the British to thank for it. Yoruba have to call on each other for support in any thread because of their paper weight written history. Next they will come up with other people histories and claim them to be theirs. They will soon come and tell us how 12th century Yufi in Zimbabwe was Ife or Organe that was east of Benin with a travelling distance of 20 moons/months was Ife. These are people without written history until the British came to liberate them from Benin only for them to be recaptured by the Sokoto caliphate. See how they are already crowding the thread congratulating themselves and celebrating their paper weight written history. Read for more knowledge. Benin history and Yoruba history are not in the same class, they are centuries and more than 400 years apart The first European travelers to reach Benin were Portuguese explorers under João Afonso de Aveiro in about 1485. A strong mercantile relationship developed, with the Edo trading slaves and tropical products such as ivory, pepper and palm oil for European goods such as manillas and guns. In the early 16th century, the Oba sent an ambassador to Lisbon, and the king of Portugal sent Christian missionaries to Benin City. Some residents of Benin City could still speak a pidgin Portuguese in the late 19th century. The first English expedition to Benin was in 1553, and significant trading developed between England and Benin based on the export of ivory, palm oil, pepper, and later slaves. Visitors in the 16th and 19th centuries brought back to Europe tales of "Great Benin", a fabulous city of noble buildings, ruled over by a powerful king. A fanciful engraving of the settlement was made by a Dutch illustrator (from descriptions alone) and was shown in Olfert Dapper's Naukeurige beschrijvinge der Afrikaensche gewesten, published in Amsterdam in 1668.[32] The work states the following about the royal palace: The king's court is square and located on the right-hand side of the city, as one enters it through the gate of Gotton. It is about the same size as the city of Haarlem and entirely surrounded by a special wall, comparable to the one which encircles the town. It is divided into many magnificent palaces, houses and apartments of the courtiers, and comprises beautiful and long squares with galleries, about as large as the Exchange at Amsterdam. The buildings are of different sizes however, resting on wooden pillars, from top to bottom lined with copper casts, on which pictures of their war exploits and battles are engraved. All of them are being very well maintained. Most of the buildings within this court are covered with palm leaves, instead of with square planks, and every roof is adorned with a small spired tower, on which casted copper birds are standing, being very artfully sculpted and lifelike with their wings spread. [33] Another Dutch traveler, David van Nyendael, visited Benin in 1699 and also wrote an account of the kingdom. Nyendael's description was published in 1704 as an appendix to Willem Bosman's Nauwkeurige beschryving van de Guinese goud-, tand- en slave-kust.[34] In his description, Nyendael states the following about the character of the Benin people: The inhabitants of the Benin are in general a kind and polite people, of whom one with kindness might get everything he desires. Whatever might be offered to them out of politeness, will always be doubled in return. However, they want their politeness to be returned with likewise courtesy as well, without the appearance of any disappointment or rudeness, and rightly so. To be sure, trying to take anything from them with force or violence, would be as if one tries to reach out to the Moon and will never be left unreckoned. When it comes to trade, they are very strict and will not suffer the slightest infringement of their customs, not even a iota can be changed. Though, when one is willing to accept these customs, they are very easy-going and will cooperate in every way possible to reach an agreement. [35] Given this characterization of the Benin culture, it might be understood that the Oba did not accept any colonial aspirations. As soon as the Oba began to suspect Britain of larger colonial designs, it ceased communications with them until the British Expedition in 1896-97, when troops of that country captured, burned, and looted Benin City as part of a punitive mission, which brought the kingdom's imperial era to an end. References: Graham, James D. (1965). "The Slave Trade, Depopulation and Human Sacrifice in Benin History: The General Approach". Cahiers d'Études Africaines. 5(18): 327–30. doi:10.3406/cea.1965.3035. JSTOR 4390897. ^ a b c Bradbury, R.E. (2017). The Benin Kingdom and the Edo-speaking Peoples of South-western Nigeria. Routledge. pp. 54–8. ISBN 978-1315293837. ^ Law, Robin (January 1985). "Human Sacrifice in Pre-Colonial West Africa". African Affairs. 84 (334): 65. doi:10.1093/oxfordjournals.afraf.a097676. JSTOR 722523. ^ Trigger, Bruce G. (2003). Understanding Early Civilizations: A Comparative Study. New York: Cambridge University Press. pp. 88. ISBN 978-0-521-822459. ^ a b Trigger, Bruce G. (2003). Understanding Early Civilizations: A Comparative Study. New York: Cambridge University Press. pp. 77–78. ISBN 0-521-82245-9. OCLC 50291226. ^ Bradbury, R.E. (2017). The Benin Kingdom and the Edo-speaking Peoples of South-western Nigeria. Routledge. p. 40. ISBN 978-1315293837. ^ Time Life Lost Civilizations series: Africa's Glorious Legacy (1994) pp. 102–4 ^ The History of Africa: The Quest for Eternal Harmony. ^ Aisien, Ekhaguosa (2001). The Benin City Pilgrimage Stations. ISBN 9789783153356. ^ Slavery and the Birth of an African City: Lagos, 1760--1900. ^ Connah (2004), pp. 129 ^ Dapper, Olfert (1668). Naukeurige beschrijvinge der Afrikaensche gewesten. Amsterdam: Jacob van Meurs. pp. 495-505. naukeurige beschrijvinge der afrikaensche gewesten. ^ Dapper, Olfert (1668). Naukeurige beschrijvinge der Afrikaensche gewesten. Amsterdam: Jacob van Meurs. pp. 495-496. Retrieved 7 February 2020. 495. ^ Bosman, Willem (1704). Nauwkeurige beschryving van de Guinese goud-, tand- en slave-kust. Utrecht: Anthony Schouten. pp. 212-257. Retrieved 8 February 2020. RIO FORMOSA Anders gesegt DE BENIN. ^ Bosman, Willem (1704). Nauwkeurige beschryving van de Guinese goud-, tand en slave-kust. Utrecht: Anthony Schouten. pp. 222-223. Retrieved 8 February 2020. de maen. ^ Chapter 77, A History of the World in 100 Objects 7 Likes 4 Shares |
Re: Why Ikwerres Are Not Igbo - The Logic Behind It by RuggedSniper: 9:13am On Nov 19, 2020 |
TAO11:... I have to save this convo right now... Massive history! 2 Likes 3 Shares
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Re: Why Ikwerres Are Not Igbo - The Logic Behind It by TAO11(f): 12:43pm On Nov 19, 2020 |
@Afam4eva, do you notice that our Benin entertainer appears to have just admitted that his bogus and baseless claim that Yoruba monarchs didn’t use “oba” in the pre-1900s have been debunked — Since he never dared to bring up the claim again anywhere in his foregoing ramblings. Secondly, it is vital that you are made aware that despite his foregoing ramblings, he never adduced even one shred of pre-1900 statement which depicts the use of “oba” for Benin monarchs. NOT A SINGLE ONE of the statements he dumped above as showing “oba” for the Benin monarch is from a pre-1900 work. Not one! —————————— For example, a part of his above comment reads: “In the early 16th century, the Oba sent an ambassador to Lisbon ...”. However, this precise wording — which he has lifted off Wikipedia — is simply not found in the original work itself. Moreover, the actual work itself does not use the word “oba”, but instead uses the word “king”. The original wording from the actual work actually reads as follows: “... And the King of Beny sent to the King (of Portugal) as Ambassador a negro ...” Reference: Ruy de Pina’s “Chronica”; Chap. xxiv., Discovery of Beny, quoted in H.L. Roth, 1903, pp. 4-5. This may make one actually wonder why such an early and quite primary writing on Benin does not use the word “oba” for a Benin monarch. Moreover, another part of the same comment reads: “Given this characterization of the Benin culture, it might be understood that the Oba did not accept any colonial aspirations. As soon as the Oba began to suspect Britain of larger colonial designs, ...”. These exact words as they appear here from his comment were also lifted off Wikipedia from where they are referenced (not even as a quotation) to a year 2010 work — a freaking year 2010 work by Neil MacGregor entitled “A History of the World in 100 Objects” In all, our Benin entertainer has been disgraced not only as a disgruntled ignoramus, but also as a fraud. I am more than convinced at this point that, you and everyone else reading now know better to not take any of their bogus, baseless, grandiose claims seriously. Notice that he has just made other fresh and independent baseless claims (on Yoruba history) in his foregoing comment as a distractive tactic. I refuse to be distracted into another false and baseless Benin propaganda. I am also aware that everyone now knows better to not take his sorry ass seriously any more. In sum: (1) Our Benin entertainer has been debunked over his claim that Yoruba monarchs didn’t use “oba” in the pre-1900s. (2)(i) Our Benin entertainer is yet to provide one pre-1900 written evidence of “oba” for Benin monarchs. (2)(ii) Or to be more in line with his own specific claim, he has failed repeatedly to provide one “600 years” old written evidence of “oba” for Benin monarchs. It is my pleasure to have disgraced him before all and sundry. Going forward, he must be reluctant to peddle lies. He has learnt the hard way. Peace! cc: RuggedSniper, DenreleDave, gomojam, macof, Juliusmalema 33 Likes 25 Shares |
Re: Why Ikwerres Are Not Igbo - The Logic Behind It by gregyboy(m): 3:50pm On Nov 19, 2020 |
TAO11: You don start again with your lies The word oba has been used by the European since 1400 ad to address the Benin monarchy And yorubas started using it to address their king after 1930 You just came out of oblivion and your first comment came with tears and lies 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Why Ikwerres Are Not Igbo - The Logic Behind It by samuk: 3:51pm On Nov 19, 2020 |
When the Benin debate history with the Yorubas, it's always unfair fight, it's like going into the battlefields will AK47 and bazooka and the Yoruba are holding pebbles and stones. Imagine what a historical timeline like 1485, 1552, 1668, 1669, 1704 and 1897 does to them, with actual publication on Benin history in Amsterdam in 1668 and another in 1704 amongst many other European written records. Our Yoruba friend want us to believe that the Benin Oba that sent an ambassador to the king of Portugal in the 16th century was not called Oba but king. These people will shamelessly hold to anything no matter how nonsensical it sounds to defend their falsehoods. 2 Likes |
Re: Why Ikwerres Are Not Igbo - The Logic Behind It by TAO11(f): 3:58pm On Nov 19, 2020 |
Your evidence?? Lol! Until then, peace! PS: I usually do not spoon feed adults, except the autistic ones — so here you go in the attached screenshot. 7 Likes 1 Share
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Re: Why Ikwerres Are Not Igbo - The Logic Behind It by gregyboy(m): 4:07pm On Nov 19, 2020 |
TAO11: You see yourself, The world oba entered the Yoruba lingual Franca Through the Eastern Yoruba Benin made extensive contact with, Please shune the misconception Of the Benin -ife relationship Even the ondo people have a parable that goes like this Just the way the oba of Benin commands respect on earth same way olodimare commands respect in heavens The eastern yorubas shared many culture with Benin’s in terms of titles,foods,words So the word oba found is way into all Yoruba through Easter Yoruba And the yorubas began accepting as a general title for their king after 1930 to boost their self esteem 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Why Ikwerres Are Not Igbo - The Logic Behind It by macof(m): 4:12pm On Nov 19, 2020 |
TAO11: Tao Tao always giving them hard education. They of course will not take it because that's not what they are after but to prevent those who don't know better from taking their nonsense seriously it is important to give education Imagine still asking for source that calls a Yoruba King ọba Even after you explained that the word "ọba" is a common noun and Yoruba Kings are referred to by their styled titles.. A Bini person can't grasp this because to them "ọba" is a title (as a result of it being foreign to them) and "ogie" is the word for King Permit me to add 1. "ọba" as a common noun doesn't necessarily mean a sovereign but any king or chief or honoured personage who presides over or dorminates something For example, Ife nobles before the creation of a united ife were all known as Obas presiding over their quarters ie. Oba Idio, Oba Ejio, Oba Iloran, Oba Iwinrin etc and the most famous of them Obatala doubles as a deity.. Missionary sources of the mid 19th century mentions this name as a deity Even the Peacock is an Ọba as the Yoruba would say "Ọkin ọba ẹyẹ" 2. Oranmiyan specifically intended to not raise his status when he was in Benin to that of an overall sovereign and held no styled title... Probably because he actually was not a sovereign considering the obstacles he met from Ogiamien So this word "ọba" that some miscreants are trying to claim actually is not something they understand Rightly so as it is a foreign word and to them since their Sovereign is called by this word it must be a special title for a sovereign 3. In direct response to what the miscreant is trying to restrict the argument to.. That is, a particular king referred to with the word "oba". The first Ọmọnọba or Oba of Benin referred to in a document with the word "oba" is Ovonramwen and only in retrospect as this was after he had been deposed. Documents I have only date to 1906 .. If he can provide a document from an earlier date showing any Ọmọnọba before ovonramwen called "ọba" it would be very impressive but I doubt such document exist. While you have provided earlier documents for your argument 18 Likes 25 Shares |
Re: Why Ikwerres Are Not Igbo - The Logic Behind It by macof(m): 4:15pm On Nov 19, 2020 |
samuk: Can you present any of these documents from 1485, 1552, 1668, 1669, 1704 and 1897 in Amsterdam and all over Europe using the word "oba" to refer to any King of Benin? Simple task 2 Likes |
Re: Why Ikwerres Are Not Igbo - The Logic Behind It by gregyboy(m): 4:16pm On Nov 19, 2020 |
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Re: Why Ikwerres Are Not Igbo - The Logic Behind It by valirex: 4:17pm On Nov 19, 2020 |
gregyboy: Long time bro, your write-up is absolutely correct and we'll detailed 2 Likes |
Re: Why Ikwerres Are Not Igbo - The Logic Behind It by gregyboy(m): 4:18pm On Nov 19, 2020 |
TAO11: Etinosa1235 |
Re: Why Ikwerres Are Not Igbo - The Logic Behind It by gregyboy(m): 4:18pm On Nov 19, 2020 |
TAO11: Etinosa1234 |
Re: Why Ikwerres Are Not Igbo - The Logic Behind It by gregyboy(m): 4:26pm On Nov 19, 2020 |
DenreleDave: Lol,just watch how I will send her to oblivion’s 1 Like |
Re: Why Ikwerres Are Not Igbo - The Logic Behind It by TAO11(f): 4:36pm On Nov 19, 2020 |
macof: Apt as always! 1 Like |
Re: Why Ikwerres Are Not Igbo - The Logic Behind It by TAO11(f): 4:55pm On Nov 19, 2020 |
macof:I wonder oo. Lol. Anyways, he dare not to ever again bring up the debunked delusion of “oba” being absent in Yoruba royal usage in the pre-1900s. He has learnt the hard way, and I’m certain that he will be one of those to caution his ill-informed Benin peers and elders. ————————- The other part of his falsehoods which I’m really waiting on him for, as you have said, is that he should simply provide us with just one pre-1900 (or to be in strict keeping with his own claim: “600 years” old) written evidence of “oba” usage for any Benin monarch. Or is that too much to ask for? Deception seems to be their stock in trade, while their target audience is the unsuspecting naive reader whom they seek to prey on. I am glad this happened to someone like him on an Igbo-subject thread. He has in fact helped me spread accurate historical information across the Niger even though he hates that. The People now know better. We’d get there! Thank you macof for your ever insightful factual information. Peace! cc: @Afam4eva 7 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Why Ikwerres Are Not Igbo - The Logic Behind It by fregeneh(m): 5:07pm On Nov 19, 2020 |
Nawa oo. so since yesterday nobody from the benin NL historian has been able to show us just one evidence to the claim of their king been referred to as OBA before 20th century despite their many written record by the Europeans from 14th to 1900 5 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Why Ikwerres Are Not Igbo - The Logic Behind It by samuk: 5:34pm On Nov 19, 2020 |
Igbo-subject thread? Yoruba and ignorance, you don't even know the ethnic composition of your region and you want to debate history with Benin. You still call Ikwerre Igbo despite their no 1 citizen denying being Igbo. They actually claim Benin ancestry if that will help. These people don't need the Yoruba to tell them who there forebears were. Imagine the insinuation that the Oba title started with Oba Ovonramwen. 1 Like |
Re: Why Ikwerres Are Not Igbo - The Logic Behind It by samuk: 5:43pm On Nov 19, 2020 |
macof: Since you are insinuating that Benin kings were not called Oba, please kindly tell us what they were called. |
Re: Why Ikwerres Are Not Igbo - The Logic Behind It by TAO11(f): 5:48pm On Nov 19, 2020 |
Igbo-subject thread?Incoherent distractive jibby-jabber as always. Having being publicly disgraced for your first false and baseless claim on Yoruba usage of “oba”, can you now not derail our engagement and provide the evidence for your second claim? Provide us with just one pre-1900 (or to be in strict keeping with your own claim: “600 years” old) written evidence of “oba” usage for any Benin monarch. Or is that too much to ask for? @Afam4eva and @macof are waiting! 4 Likes |
Re: Why Ikwerres Are Not Igbo - The Logic Behind It by macof(m): 5:50pm On Nov 19, 2020 |
samuk: Please provide evidence to your claims or do I take it that you have nothing to defend your claims? You have made some wild claims on this thread no single evidence 1 Like |
Re: Why Ikwerres Are Not Igbo - The Logic Behind It by TAO11(f): 5:51pm On Nov 19, 2020 |
macof:I tire oo! I guess the disgrace he received for his false claim on the Yoruba usage of “oba” actually hits where it hurts. Lol. 1 Like |
Re: Why Ikwerres Are Not Igbo - The Logic Behind It by macof(m): 5:54pm On Nov 19, 2020 |
samuk: You are always on yoruba threads to promote divide.. Always on igbo threads to do same Everyone cannot be minority like you, sorry Imagine saying Yoruba borrowed the word "ọba" from Bini language but can't provide evidence of Bini use of the word before 1900s 2 Likes |
Re: Why Ikwerres Are Not Igbo - The Logic Behind It by Alba3: 5:56pm On Nov 19, 2020 |
samuk: We should just try and accept people's choice of identity. Efik, Ibiobio, Oron, Annang refused to take one identity till today. It took some Ijebus, Ekitis, etc. sometimes to accept Yoruba as the common name, although the people know they are the same people but each was already formed based on city-state, confederate and dialect with boundaries and political identity that often led to wars among them to protect their heritage until British imposition of the name on everyone for political identity. This, Itshekiri never accepted till today ,and no one is forcing them; they identity as different tribe. We have this virtually everywhere in Nigeria: Idoma-Alago, Ogori-Magogo, Igala-Yoruba, Urhobo-Isoko, Tiv-Norther Cross River tribes, etc. 2 Likes |
Re: Why Ikwerres Are Not Igbo - The Logic Behind It by TAO11(f): 6:02pm On Nov 19, 2020 |
macof:Per the bolded above, please do not give him any opportunity/escape route to flee from his responsibility of providing evidence for his false bogus claim. He will be happy to write some distractive jibby-jabber in specific response to the bolded in an attempt to run away into some distractions Do not open up such doors for him. Let’s continue to be intentional and consistent in teaching him to learn to take responsibility for his actions as you’ve done in the italicized part. Kudos! 3 Likes |
Re: Why Ikwerres Are Not Igbo - The Logic Behind It by TAO11(f): 7:53pm On Nov 19, 2020 |
macof:Good job as always, macof! For the sake of enlightening the curious readers even further: Actually, the most that exists for the Binis before the 1900s is a writing in the 1800s (of which he is clearly unacquainted) which — although uses “oba” arguably for some Benin monarch — does not name any Benin monarch as “Oba”, unlike in the case of the the Yorubas, viz. “Oba Jayin”; “Cândido da Fonseca Galvão — Dom Obá II D'África”; et al. as I have proven on the previous page. However, my particular contention with him — besides the unavailability of any pre-1900 writing which names a Benin monarch as “Oba” — is that he should substantiate his bogus delusion that some “600 years” old written evidence exists which use “oba” for Benin monarchs. We are waiting, hopefully not forever. —————— If he meets his burden of proof, then I may on my own volition go even farther back in time than the 1800s to cite a source which specifically names a Yoruba monarch, and with his rightful prefix “Oba”. But for now we’d leave it at the fact that there is no written evidence of any sort (either from the 1800s, or 1700s, or 1600s or 1500s or 1400s, etc.) which names a Benin monarch as “Oba”. 17 Likes 19 Shares |
Re: Why Ikwerres Are Not Igbo - The Logic Behind It by samuk: 7:56pm On Nov 19, 2020 |
macof: So you have proved that Benin borrowed it from Yoruba. You may call Benin minority but the fact remains that almost the entire eastern Yoruba including Lagos were once under the Benin empire with your almighty Alaafin of Oyo even paying tributes to the Oba of Benin and your Alaafin begging the almighty Oba of Benin for troops. I already provided you guys more than enough evidence starting from 1485 when the Oba of Benin became known to the Europeans. If you dispute that the Oba of Benin was not known as Oba, it's left for you guys to tell the readers what the title was. Take it or leave it the title Oba spread from eastern Yoruba that was under the Benin empire to other parts of Yoruba land. This is what Hugh Clapperton have to say about your Alaafin of Oyo: "In the evening we had a visit from the king of Oyo, to thank me for the presents I had given him, and again to assure me of being welcolme; said that he wanted nothing, unless it was something that would speedily cause the submission of the rebels. He said that he had sent to his friend the king of Benin for troops to assist him in the war." - Hugh Clapperton, Journal of a Second Expedition Into the Interior of Africa, from the Bight of Benin to Soccatoo, 1911. 4 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Why Ikwerres Are Not Igbo - The Logic Behind It by TAO11(f): 8:09pm On Nov 19, 2020 |
Hi @macof: Ensure not to give in to his interruptive and ineffectual own-goal of how the then Oyo king seeks to enlist the service of Benin troops into his army for a fight against a larger army. Instead, continue to squeeze him for the evidence which he must provide for his second delusional claim of “600 years” old written evidence of “oba” usage for Benin monarchs. However, I am quite certain that going forward he will be very hesitant to peddle falsehoods again after the huge disgrace he was made to face for his first delusional claim on the Yorubas’ use of “oba”. Cheers! 14 Likes 25 Shares |
Re: Why Ikwerres Are Not Igbo - The Logic Behind It by TAO11(f): 2:32am On Nov 20, 2020 |
Alba3:You have made very beautiful submissions on the overall. It couldn’t have been better said by anyone else. However, far from being very critical of your points — but just to further clarify one of them (the bolded particularly); the Itsekiris self-identify to the Europeans as belonging to the broader Yoruba ethnic group. For example, the accounts of Captain H.L. Gallwey which he collected among the people in the 1800s has the following to say about their identity: “Let me now refer briefly to the tribes that people this part of the world. First we come to the Jakris [Itsekiris], who are connected in race and language with the Yoruba people, extending from the Mahin country on the west to the Forcados on the East, and inland about as far as Sapele.” Reference: H.L. Gallwey, “Journeys in the Benin Country, West Africa”, The Geographical Journal, Vol. 1, No. 2 (Feb., 1893), p.127. Furthermore, H. Ling Roth also published the following statement to the same effect in the year 1903: “In this respect, however, the officials agree with the tradition of the people at Warri, the Jekries [Itsekiris], who claim to come from the west.” Reference: H.L. Roth, ”Great Benin: Its Customs, Arts and Horrors”, F. King & Sons, Ltd., 1903, pp.8-9. As such, the (understandable) naiveness of many of their young people on this issue is only a relatively recent modern development — rather than an age-long historical reality. But to be fair to their present-day older generation, the information available to Itsekiri’s informed leaders of thought appears to be in stark conflict with the youthful imaginations of the younger generations. For example, the reigning Olu, Ogiame Ikenwoli I regards himself as a member of the Oduduwa household from Ife (via the Benin royal line). So also is Pastor Oritsejafor who as an Itsekiri man admits his Yoruba heritage in unequivocal terms. Peace! 25 Likes 23 Shares |
Re: Why Ikwerres Are Not Igbo - The Logic Behind It by Alba3: 7:53am On Nov 20, 2020 |
TAO11: Very apt and direct; we all learn from you everyday... well done. Notwithstanding, many itsekiris like Igborodo, etc still refer to their Yorubaness from Ijebu, Ikale extracts. One thing that stands out is that majority of Yorubas are not hellbent on making them Yorubas at all cost. The Yorubas in Kwara and Kogi are the ones making moves to be part of SW. If one calls some Egun or Ogori-magogo Yorubas, they don't always disagree with this. Igbos keep calling Ikwerres, Ikas, Kwales Igbos and most times, these people say they are not. Annang or Efik person would not accept being called Ibibio though they all have the same names, tradition, dressing and dialects of almost the same language. 1 Like |
Re: Why Ikwerres Are Not Igbo - The Logic Behind It by samuk: 8:36am On Nov 20, 2020 |
Alba3: My point exactly, every tribes in Nigeria may be related, who then have the rights to claim others without their consents. 3 Likes |
Re: Why Ikwerres Are Not Igbo - The Logic Behind It by Abagworo(m): 8:39am On Nov 20, 2020 |
Alba3: The bolded sums it all up. Most Nigerian tribes are mixed completely with others and in many instances have people of different ancestry living as one group. Before contact with Europeans they found no need to adopt a common name but based their identity on city States, clans or towns irrespective of language spoken. Europeans believe in definition and ethnic purity which made them classify these independent peoples based on their language and cultural similarities. In the US for example once you are mixed with dark skin and have a tint in your skin color you become identified as black or colored in ethnicity. 1 Like |
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