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Re: Why Ikwerres Are Not Igbo - The Logic Behind It by scholes0(m): 9:19am On Nov 20, 2020 |
babtoundey: Abeg which one is Igodo again? |
Re: Why Ikwerres Are Not Igbo - The Logic Behind It by babtoundey(m): 9:24am On Nov 20, 2020 |
scholes0:Thank you. I meat to write Ogori people in Kogi State. Ogori not Igori |
Re: Why Ikwerres Are Not Igbo - The Logic Behind It by TAO11(f): 10:03am On Nov 20, 2020 |
Alba3:Thank you sire! Great submission as always. Later in the day, I will pass some remark on the Egun people just for the sake of clarity. Many of us seem to have some misconception about their identity. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Why Ikwerres Are Not Igbo - The Logic Behind It by gregyboy(m): 11:04am On Nov 20, 2020 |
TAO11: This an 1896 quotation refering to the king of benin as oba Ruggedsniper Etinosa1234 Toa111 AreaFada2 Sarah20A Valirex Ghostwon Ghostwon Afam4eva Macof Fregeneh Alba3 Abagworo Samuk 4 Likes
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Re: Why Ikwerres Are Not Igbo - The Logic Behind It by gregyboy(m): 11:10am On Nov 20, 2020 |
I want to be fully involve in this thread Am coming In Right now 1 Like |
Re: Why Ikwerres Are Not Igbo - The Logic Behind It by TAO11(f): 11:12am On Nov 20, 2020 |
Hey macof: Please hurry up and see something oo. They’ve begin attaching post-1900 journal articles wherein the modern author used the word “Oba” while he alludes to pre-1900 events about the Benin king. Wonderful! For the sake of the unsuspecting readers whom these fraudulent elements are bent to prey on, please note that no part of the actual QUOTATION FROM 1896 in the first attachment above shows the word “oba”. Refer to my red horizontal highlights in the attachment below to notice the beginning and end of the actual quotation from 1896. Watch out for the opening and closing quotation marks. 8 Likes 5 Shares
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Re: Why Ikwerres Are Not Igbo - The Logic Behind It by gregyboy(m): 11:48am On Nov 20, 2020 |
TAO11: Afam4eva please dont mind TAO11 The benin and ife never had anything in common or even had an history together The history you hear on benin oromiyan and ife was made up after the creation of nigeria to falsely unite benin kingdom to the yoruba for political gains but it didnt work out, because ths benins spoke a different language from the other yorubas, that does not mean that benin never had contact with other yorubas before the creation of nigeria, they had but not to all yorubas, we had relationship with people like eko, aworis, ijebu, ekiti, ondo and this yorubas were noted by Europeans and not ife You should also know that ife was not the ancestral home of the yorubas they made it also for political reasons after the creation of nigeria Back to the name OBA, it is a benin name, while the Europeans were writing their encounters in benin to the other European for easy explanation they remove the title oba and replace it with the word king or something representing king in their dialect but that does not mean he wasnt referred to as oba while the Europeans were relating to him directly or any African people The word oba got into the yoruba lexicon when benin expanded his territores into yoruba areas and reigned sovereign over them, just imagine benin ruling over ekiti, jebu, ondo, and lagos That alone is enough for benin to pass it culture amongst this yoruba people There is a parable in ondo which says that just as the sky king commands respect in heaven Same way the oba of benin commands respect on earth Just imagine the fear the oba instill on the yoruba people Before the creation of nigeria no one apart from the oba of benin used the word oba to address himself as a king not even the oba of lagos, he used to be known as eleko n eko It became a general world for king amongst the yorubas after 1930 to promote their own traditional stool to the world Remember the oba of benin had accepted to be under the yoruba umbrella for political gains around 1914, from the yoruba people, so when the yorubas started using the title oba for the general word for king he never objected This does not mean that the world oba wasnt in Yoruba lingua before 1930 it was there, but it was foreign to them or i would say a borrowed word which they borrowed from benin, as result of benin influence on yorubas, but they couldn't use it to represent their title because they know the oba of benin would frown at it 2 Likes |
Re: Why Ikwerres Are Not Igbo - The Logic Behind It by TAO11(f): 11:56am On Nov 20, 2020 |
In addition to the above disgraceful damage which was just meted out to another disgruntled Bini, I’m becoming even more curious as to why the standard of the challenge appears to be dropping. The arbitrary standard set by our original Benin entertainer was to present a NAMED king with the accompanying word “oba” from a pre-1900 writing. But unfortunately so far, we haven’t been provided with either a pre-1900 writing which names a Benin king with the accompanying word “oba”; or even a pre-1900 work which simply uses “oba” in a Benin royal context. None! Yet the Yorubas have met the arbitrary standard again and again on this same thread — and will even meet a stricter standard. What a pity to those who baselessly claimed to have lent the word “oba” to the Yorubas?! Lol. cc: Afam4eva 7 Likes 7 Shares |
Re: Why Ikwerres Are Not Igbo - The Logic Behind It by gregyboy(m): 12:08pm On Nov 20, 2020 |
TAO11: Lol, funny lady, The Europeans most times never knew the name of the oba of benin maybe probably the difficulty in writing the names down So most times they go straight foward like this The king of benin, that.... That that or They say The he oba of benin Most times they use the word king, for easy explanation to the Europeans they were to, cc: Afam4eva |
Re: Why Ikwerres Are Not Igbo - The Logic Behind It by TAO11(f): 12:10pm On Nov 20, 2020 |
Let’s continue to wait for the pre-1900 written evidence of Benin usage of “oba”. Hopefully we won’t wait till “thy kingdom come”. See you soon @Afam4eva and everyone else! 2 Likes 25 Shares |
Re: Why Ikwerres Are Not Igbo - The Logic Behind It by gregyboy(m): 12:21pm On Nov 20, 2020 |
TAO11: Funny lady Did you see when he also made use of the word jekiri, the author was definitely giving a direct quotation from what he quoted Those words were in quotes and was written in subscript to show it is a quote, and not from the author Again the word oba was used there becauss the white men were passing the said message within themselves in africa so when he use the word oba it could be understood to his fellow whitemen in africa too But that would be impossible if they were writing outside Africa or Europe Please get your fact right Etinosa1234 Samuk Valirex Ghostwon AreaFada2 Afam4eva 4 Likes |
Re: Why Ikwerres Are Not Igbo - The Logic Behind It by gregyboy(m): 12:22pm On Nov 20, 2020 |
TAO11: Funny lady Did you see when he also made use of the word jekiri he would have used the word itskeri if he was the one that made the quote, the author was definitely giving a direct quotation from what he quoted Those words were in quotes and was written in subscript to show it is a quote, and not from the author Again the word oba was used there becauss the white men were passing the said message within themselves in africa so when he use the word oba it could be understood to his fellow whitemen in africa too But that would be impossible if they were writing outside Africa or Europe Please get your fact right Etinosa1234 Samuk Valirex Ghostwon AreaFada2 Afam4eva 4 Likes |
Re: Why Ikwerres Are Not Igbo - The Logic Behind It by samuk: 1:04pm On Nov 20, 2020 |
gregyboy: After unsuccessfully trying to attached themselves to Benin glorious past through the Oduduwa myth, they are now clutching on to straws by demanding evidence that Benin had Obas pre-1900. They believe anyone with sense of Benin history will take them seriously for some strange reasons best known to them. They want everyone to believe that after Benin have subjugated them for over 400 years only to be liberated by the British in 1897, Benin now adopted or copied the Oba title from them. My question to them that they have refused to answer is what was the title of Benin rulers in the more than 400 years of lordships over Yoruba. Whether they like it or not Benin is to Yoruba what Britain is to America. Benin will continue to be their father unless they find a way to erase the nearly 500 years of Benin written history before Yoruba written history began. An impossible task. Please don't beat them too much, it's already very painful confining them to their written history that is barely earlier than the 1800s. You are right, Benin and Ife relationship was a fabrication that lacks historical backing. It was supposed to be a political arrangement amongst the people of old Western Nigeria. They were supposed to share Benin history as part of Yoruba history whilst Oba of Benin remains the most senior traditional ruler above all Yoruba Obas as its was before the British came. The political arrangement was that Oba of Benin retains seniority through Oduduwa to Oranmiyan to Oba of Benin as the first child, the Alaafin came second as the second son whilst the Ooni was the chief priest or shrine keeper, but before you knew it the Yoruba political elites lead by Awolowo change the arrangement by elevated the Ooni from the position of chief priest to the most senior Oba in old western Nigeria, the Oba of Benin felt insulted and move his people out of the political arrangement to form the mid west leaving the Ooni and Alaafin to fight it out amongst themselves. By taking Benin history out of the political arrangement, they are now struggling to present Yoruba history that is barely older than the 1800s. Imagine the pain they go through each time they have to reference books on great Benin history just to tell their stories. The first 400 years of Benin historical records had no reference to Oduduwa, Oranmiyan and Ife. Who in their right senses will argue that Benin had Oba before 1900s. Please take it easy on them, historical fights between the Benin and Yoruba will always be unfair because of the unfair advantage of almost 500 years written Benin history. You will always be 500 years ahead and they are already seriously disadvantaged. It's like a heavy weight boxer fighting a feather weight boxer whose one hand is tied to the back. Historical achievements and records are not necessary by population. 3 Likes |
Re: Why Ikwerres Are Not Igbo - The Logic Behind It by gregyboy(m): 2:08pm On Nov 20, 2020 |
While yorubas wait for benin to make history so they can steal it they shouldnt forget the benin people will defend their history to the core Let me remind you all of recent history edo had made since they created nigeria The first man to ask for independence was an edo man Anthony enarohoro The first man to give free education at basic level In nigeria was an edo man ambrose ali The first peaceful protest of the endsars started in edo state The first violent protest in the endsars started also in edo While you all yorubas wait to steal our history dont forget to make yours 1 Like |
Re: Why Ikwerres Are Not Igbo - The Logic Behind It by valirex: 2:29pm On Nov 20, 2020 |
TAO11: Present a written evidence of what the Ọbas of Benin were called from 1500-1900 |
Re: Why Ikwerres Are Not Igbo - The Logic Behind It by valirex: 2:32pm On Nov 20, 2020 |
gregyboy: Nice, you have proved it |
Re: Why Ikwerres Are Not Igbo - The Logic Behind It by valirex: 2:57pm On Nov 20, 2020 |
gregyboy: Ẹdo to the world 1 Like |
Re: Why Ikwerres Are Not Igbo - The Logic Behind It by macof(m): 3:05pm On Nov 20, 2020 |
samuk: please be sticking to the matter at hand. provide a pre-1900s document showing bini use of the word "oba" to address any particular king of benin. we are not doing take it or leave it here. You can't make ridiculous wild claims that you can't defend just to show you what you are expected to do here is a document from 1882 by Elisée Reclus & A. H. Keane refering to yoruba kings as 'oba' [this is not even the earliest volume] do the needful or just keep quiet next time to avoid unnecessary embarrassment 4 Likes
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Re: Why Ikwerres Are Not Igbo - The Logic Behind It by macof(m): 3:13pm On Nov 20, 2020 |
valirex:what clowns Bini miscreants - Oba is a Bini word yoruba stole it and deceived everybody that it is their word, yoruba can't provide evidence of using the word before 1900 Tao11 - *provides documents showing yoruba used the word before 1900 Bini miscreants - Show us the particular oba that was referred to with the word 'oba' Tao11- *provides evidence of Jayin, Ajagbo and Abipa*.. Show us your own evidence of bini using the word before 1900 bini miscreants - *no evidence* *wailing and sobbing* are you saying oba of benin was called something else before 1900 clowns 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Why Ikwerres Are Not Igbo - The Logic Behind It by gregyboy(m): 3:15pm On Nov 20, 2020 |
macof: Please give us the link to get this pdf, let see if your dating is correct |
Re: Why Ikwerres Are Not Igbo - The Logic Behind It by macof(m): 3:16pm On Nov 20, 2020 |
gregyboy: That is not the assignment you have boy Provide a pre - 1900s document using the word "oba" to address a particular Ọmọnọba Provide the 1896 document not a rephrased quotation in a recent paper, let's see You miscreants started it by asking TAO11 for a pre-1900s document which she has provided, now when asked to provide your own two days of sleepless nights and extensive research now still no answer Below is a pre-1900s document showing Yoruba Kings referred to as Oba. This is what you should have done www.nairaland.com/attachments/12712594_20201120li_jpeg669beaef00c457b182431ec02a16e2d9 Elisée Reclus & A. H. Keane; “The earth and Its Inhabitants", Vol. 12, Published 1882, p.265 5 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Why Ikwerres Are Not Igbo - The Logic Behind It by valirex: 3:17pm On Nov 20, 2020 |
macof: you're the real clown here bro, all what you wrote are no evidence |
Re: Why Ikwerres Are Not Igbo - The Logic Behind It by gregyboy(m): 3:17pm On Nov 20, 2020 |
macof: Please let me see the evidence TAO11 brought forwards let me evaluate them myself |
Re: Why Ikwerres Are Not Igbo - The Logic Behind It by macof(m): 3:22pm On Nov 20, 2020 |
gregyboy:scroll up and stop embarrassing your ethnicity |
Re: Why Ikwerres Are Not Igbo - The Logic Behind It by gregyboy(m): 3:24pm On Nov 20, 2020 |
macof: I will check d pdf later on If you have anymore evidence bring them foward First of all did she visit nigeria, if not how did she know there was a word ilke obba used by yorubas Answer those questions before i begin checking the pdf for validation Valirex Ghostwon AreaFada2 Etinosa1234 2 Likes |
Re: Why Ikwerres Are Not Igbo - The Logic Behind It by TAO11(f): 3:25pm On Nov 20, 2020 |
macof:Gbam! To all Benin liars on Nairaland: ”K[í] Aṣípa tó jẹ Olúwo á pẹ́, bí [O]Lísà bá ńbẹ l[í] ayé Aṣípa kò ní jẹ Olúwo”. ~ Yoruba Proverb. Exposing you all, one Benin liar & lie at a time. Please bring forward the latest Benin liar in town whom I am yet to expose. I’d be waiting. 2 Likes 8 Shares |
Re: Why Ikwerres Are Not Igbo - The Logic Behind It by macof(m): 3:25pm On Nov 20, 2020 |
gregyboy: lmao 1 Like |
Re: Why Ikwerres Are Not Igbo - The Logic Behind It by macof(m): 3:28pm On Nov 20, 2020 |
TAO11: meaning as long as you dey, Bini miscreants must hide |
Re: Why Ikwerres Are Not Igbo - The Logic Behind It by gregyboy(m): 3:28pm On Nov 20, 2020 |
macof: I didn't see any evidence so that's why am asking 1 Like |
Re: Why Ikwerres Are Not Igbo - The Logic Behind It by valirex: 3:29pm On Nov 20, 2020 |
gregyboy: macof answer the question boy |
Re: Why Ikwerres Are Not Igbo - The Logic Behind It by TAO11(f): 3:29pm On Nov 20, 2020 |
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Re: Why Ikwerres Are Not Igbo - The Logic Behind It by gregyboy(m): 3:35pm On Nov 20, 2020 |
macof: Lmoa, its funny You dont being evidence to me without evaluating it first, because i will rubbish to your face Everyone knows little was known of the yorubas untill the British began colonization Now was she making a report speech or she was Making a direct speech At 1882 The Europeans were already in the heart of yoruba land Now we are also going to check if it was a revised edition I will have to check d pdf later |
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