gregyboy:




Lmoa, its funny



You dont being evidence to me without evaluating it first, because i will rubbish to your face


Everyone knows little was known of the yorubas untill the British began colonization


Now was she making a report speech or she was
Making a direct speech


At 1882

The Europeans were already in the heart of yoruba land

Now we are also going to check if it was a revised edition
I will have to check d pdf later

TAO11:
@Afam4eva, do you notice that our Benin entertainer appears to have just admitted that his bogus and baseless claim that Yoruba monarchs didn’t use “oba” in the pre-1900s have been debunked — Since he never dared to bring up the claim again anywhere in his foregoing ramblings.


Secondly, it is vital that you are made aware that despite his foregoing ramblings, he never adduced even one shred of pre-1900 statement which depicts the use of “oba” for Benin monarchs.

NOT A SINGLE ONE of the statements he dumped above as showing “oba” for the Benin monarch is from a pre-1900 work. Not one!

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For example, a part of his above comment reads:

“In the early 16th century, the Oba sent an ambassador to Lisbon ...”.

However, this precise wording — which he has lifted off Wikipedia — is simply not found in the original work itself.

Moreover, the actual work itself does not use the word “oba”, but instead uses the word “king”.

The original wording from the actual work actually reads as follows:

“... And the King of Beny sent to the King (of Portugal) as Ambassador a negro ...”

Reference: Ruy de Pina’s “Chronica”; Chap. xxiv., Discovery of Beny, quoted in H.L. Roth, 1903, pp. 4-5.

This may make one actually wonder why such an early and quite primary writing on Benin does not use the word “oba” for a Benin monarch.

Moreover, another part of the same comment reads:

“Given this characterization of the Benin culture, it might be understood that the Oba did not accept any colonial aspirations. As soon as the Oba began to suspect Britain of larger colonial designs, ...”.

These exact words as they appear here from his comment were also lifted off Wikipedia from where they are referenced (not even as a quotation) to a year 2010 work — a freaking year 2010 work by Neil MacGregor entitled “A History of the World in 100 Objects”

In all, our Benin entertainer has been disgraced not only as a disgruntled ignoramus, but also as a fraud.

I am more than convinced at this point that, you and everyone else reading now know better to not take any of their bogus, baseless, grandiose claims seriously.

Notice that he has just made other fresh and independent baseless claims (on Yoruba history) in his foregoing comment as a distractive tactic.

I refuse to be distracted into another false and baseless Benin propaganda. I am also aware that everyone now knows better to not take his sorry ass seriously any more.

In sum:
(1) Our Benin entertainer has been debunked over his claim that Yoruba monarchs didn’t use “oba” in the pre-1900s.

(2)(i) Our Benin entertainer is yet to provide one pre-1900 written evidence of “oba” for Benin monarchs.

(2)(ii) Or to be more in line with his own specific claim, he has failed repeatedly to provide one “600 years” old written evidence of “oba” for Benin monarchs.

It is my pleasure to have disgraced him before all and sundry. Going forward, he must be reluctant to peddle lies. He has learnt the hard way.

Peace!

cc: RuggedSniper, DenreleDave, gomojam, macof, Juliusmalema

macof:


Please stick to the matter at hand. I know you are sobbing right now and feeling very emotionally traumatised but try ehn, sorry.
Just provide the thing we are asking
You know you asked us first, we have provided our own

macof:


Please stick to the matter at hand. I know you are sobbing right now and feeling very emotionally traumatised but try ehn, sorry.
Just provide the thing we are asking
You know you asked us first, we have provided our own

gregyboy:



At 1882, nigeria was already been formed as a country the process was already going on and the British were many years in Yoruba land already



So a writer referring the monarch as oba in 1882 was normal, at 1882 the yorubas have already united for political gains so common words were already shared from eastern Yoruba to western yoruba

And the title oba was only the most renowed name for king in the then nigeria because of the influence of oba of benin, so she using the title oba for Yoruba king was not from yoruba knowledge but from her own independent knowledge


The British renamed oba of lagos from eleko n eko, not because oba of lagos was the name but because the name oba was already known for king in nigeria


So calling the yoruba kings obbas was her own decisions from a renowned name for king in benin

gregyboy:



At 1882, nigeria was already been formed as a country the process was already going on and the British were many years in Yoruba land already



So a writer referring the monarch as oba in 1882 was normal, at 1882 the yorubas have already united for political gains so common words were already shared from eastern Yoruba to western yoruba

And the title oba was only the most renowed name for king in the then nigeria because of the influence of oba of benin, so she using the title oba for Yoruba king was not from yoruba knowledge but from her own independent knowledge


The British renamed oba of lagos from eleko n eko, not because oba of lagos was the name but because the name oba was already known for king in nigeria


So calling the yoruba kings obbas was her own decisions from a renowned name for king in benin

RedboneSmith:


This is goalpost shifting at its worst. Initially you people said the Yoruba didn't use oba pre-1900. Now that you've seen evidence from 1882 you want to change mouth.

Meanwhile, I have seen two Yoruba dictionaries from 1852 and 1858 respectively that contain the word oba.

macof:


Lmao

RedboneSmith:


This is goalpost shifting at its worst. Initially you people said the Yoruba didn't use oba pre-1900. Now that you've seen evidence from 1882 you want to change mouth.

Meanwhile, I have seen two Yoruba dictionaries from 1852 and 1858 respectively that contain the word oba.

samuk:


Don't be surprised if research shows that the bigger Igbo borrowed their BIA and chukwu from a smaller tribe. I am sure you must have seen the debate between the Benin and Yoruba on the origin of the title Oba. On the surface it will appear the Benin borrowed the word from the Yorubas because of its wide used by them and their much bigger population, but the fact is no Yoruba traditional ruler used the Oba title until the 1900s. Under British colonial rule the most senior Yoruba rulers such as the Ooni and Alaafin used the title Sir, so what you have is Sir Adebola Ademola, the Ooni of Ife, it was later they started using Oba.

gregyboy:




The word oba was used in yoruba but benin introduced it to them through it influence from Eastern Yoruba, the word oba means king and it was not used as a generic title for kings until 1930

Did you read my previous comments


Guy you shouldn't be here you're igbo so stay clear off


Before you stick your mouth while not wait till the debate is over


Am still checking d pdf for its validation

And we benins never said dey never used d world before 1930 we said we brought the word oba to them through eastern Yoruba


So if the yoruba own the word oba how did it get to benin if i may ask

RedboneSmith:



Oh please, shut the fùck up with the "You're Igbo, you shouldn't be here" tripe.

Also shut the fùck up with the "We introduced the word to the Yoruba" nonsense, unless you have concrete evidence to back it up. Over 400 years of written records before 1900, and you can't even find the word 'oba' in just one of the records. Nigga, please.

babtoundey:


Thank you. I meat to write Ogori people in Kogi State. Ogori not Igori

gregyboy:



And my screenshot wss what

You are bittered towards we benins


And you cant hide it


So you mean benin never had title for his king
Before they adopted oba at the given year

Can you hear yourself and what you support

So the benin king was titlesss good one brilliant
Guy


Because the oba of benin wasnt always addresses by the title oba then he never had a title


Modafuka igbo man

gregyboy:



And my screenshot wss what

You are bittered towards we benins


And you cant hide it


So you mean benin never had title for his king
Before they adopted oba at the given year

Can you hear yourself and what you support

So the benin king was titlesss good one brilliant
Guy


Because the oba of benin wasnt always addresses by the title oba then he never had a title


Modafuka igbo man

gregyboy:



Leave d igbo guy to be talking nonsense

They are yet to prove d titles benin used before tge arrival of whitemen

gregyboy:



Leave d igbo guy to be talking nonsense

They are yet to prove d titles benin used before tge arrival of whitemen

samuk:


The dictionary went further to say the origin of the word is Edo.

If they are not up to mischief, how is it possible that Benin whose written history began in the 1400s is the one that will copy the word Oba from Yoruba whose written history began in the 1800s. It's a good thing the dictionary is not written by Nigerians. Wonder shall never end.

TAO11:
Gbam!

To all Benin liars on Nairaland:

”K[í] Aṣípa tó jẹ Olúwo á pẹ́, bí [O]Lísà bá ńbẹ l[í] ayé Aṣípa kò ní jẹ Olúwo”.

~ Yoruba Proverb.

Exposing you all, one Benin liar & lie at a time. Please bring forward the latest Benin liar in town whom I am yet to expose. I’d be waiting.

RedboneSmith:


Lol. You and greg are cut from the same cloth.

RedboneSmith:


How is it possible for anyone to be this stupid? How?

The quote from Consul-General Philips does not contain the word oba. The word oba appears in the rest of the footnote, and was written by the author of that particular paper deep in the 20th century.

Modafuka igbo man? Lol. Okay. I will sha insult you because you don't have sense, but I won't drag your ethnicity into it.

samuk:


Argue with those that listed the word Oba as a Benin word with Edo origin in the international dictionary. I feel your pain, the Benin are always a thorn in the flesh of those that want to shove their Igboness or Yorubaness down the throat of everyone else. So it's understandable when Igbo and Yoruba collaborate against Benin because just like most parts of Yoruba land Igbo was also under the old Benin empire. History is what it is. It's not our fault.

samuk:


Argue with those that listed the word Oba as a Benin word with Edo origin in the international dictionary. I feel your pain, the Benin are always a thorn in the flesh of those that want to shove their Igboness or Yorubaness down the throat of everyone else. So it's understandable when Igbo and Yoruba collaborate against Benin because just like most parts of Yoruba land Igbo was also under the old Benin empire. History is what it is. It's not our fault.

The compilation of the English dictionary didn't start recently, if the word Oba had a Yoruba origin, the dictionary would have say so. You guys see everything from the prism of population. In your logic, it has to be a Yoruba word because they are more in population. You call yourself historian and don't know that Benin is much more older than Yoruba, what sort of skewed tribal historian are you.

TAO11:
I’m glad you robbed it on his face. I was still there typing.

He must be so delusional to think everyone else has a pea-sized, 1 kilo-byte brain like he does.

I have stopped engaging him directly since I became convinced on my job of exposing him as a clownish empty-headed dullard.

https://www.nairaland.com/6234931/why-ikwerres-not-igbo-logic/4#96257036

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The second Bini clown-in-Chief has attached dictionary.com’s definition of “oba” as his proof. Wonderful!?

Can someone remind me again what year this online dictionary wrote that definition of “oba”?

I’m beginning to think that brainlessness is actually real in a literal sense. Haha!

samuk:


Argue with those that listed the word Oba as a Benin word with Edo origin in the international dictionary. I feel your pain, the Benin are always a thorn in the flesh of those that want to shove their Igboness or Yorubaness down the throat of everyone else. So it's understandable when Igbo and Yoruba collaborate against Benin because just like most parts of Yoruba land Igbo was also under the old Benin empire. History is what it is. It's not our fault.

The compilation of the English dictionary didn't start recently, if the word Oba had a Yoruba origin, the dictionary would have say so. You guys see everything from the prism of population. In your logic, it has to be a Yoruba word because they are more in population. You call yourself historian and don't know that Benin is much more older than Yoruba, what sort of skewed tribal historian are you.

macof:


So pitiful that in your inability to provide one document in your so called documented history since 1400s, that shows Bini use of the word "Oba"... After two days you can only provide a screenshot to an online dictionary that says
"used by various people .."

Here's the 2nd definition your own dictionary gives
This second definition even comes with a source [the renowned Collins English Dictionary]
Rendering the second definition more reliable than the one you made a screenshot of