TAO11:
I’m glad you robbed it on his face. I was still there typing.

He must be so delusional to think everyone else has a pea-sized, 1 kilo-byte brain like he does.

I have stopped engaging him directly since I became convinced on my job of exposing him as a clownish empty-headed dullard.

https://www.nairaland.com/6234931/why-ikwerres-not-igbo-logic/4#96257036

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The second Bini clown-in-Chief has attached dictionary.com’s definition of “oba” as his proof. Wonderful!?

Can someone remind me again what year this online dictionary wrote that definition of “oba”?

I’m beginning to think that brainlessness is actually real in a literal sense. Haha!

RedboneSmith:


How is it possible for anyone to be this stupid? How?

The quote from Consul-General Philips does not contain the word oba. The word oba appears in the rest of the footnote, and was written by the author of that particular paper deep in the 20th century.

Modafuka igbo man? Lol. Okay. I will sha insult you because you don't have sense, but I won't drag your ethnicity into it.

Afam4eva:
I also want to know what other traditional rulers in Edo state apart from the oba of Benin are called.

macof:


So pitiful that in your inability to provide one document in your so called documented history since 1400s, that shows Bini use of the word "Oba"... After two days you can only provide a screenshot to an online dictionary that says
"used by various people .."

Here's the 2nd definition your own dictionary gives
This second definition even comes with a source [the renowned Collins English Dictionary]
Rendering the second definition more reliable than the one you made a screenshot of

gregyboy:


So you mean the author wrote the name oba, if the quote was originally written as king, he probably would have also wrote it as king and not oba,


Bro, what is your point in all this?
the title oba is indigenous to yorubas so how did benin get it,
When did the benins adopt the name oba for their king title, and what was their title before then if dey had...?

macof:


Tao Tao always giving them hard education. They of course will not take it because that's not what they are after but to prevent those who don't know better from taking their nonsense seriously it is important to give education

Imagine still asking for source that calls a Yoruba King ọba
Even after you explained that the word "ọba" is a common noun and Yoruba Kings are referred to by their styled titles.. A Bini person can't grasp this because to them "ọba" is a title (as a result of it being foreign to them) and "ogie" is the word for King

Permit me to add

[b]
1. "ọba" as a common noun doesn't necessarily mean a sovereign but any king or chief or honoured personage who presides over or dorminates something
For example, Ife nobles before the creation of a united ife were all known as Obas presiding over their quarters ie. Oba Idio, Oba Ejio, Oba Iloran, Oba Iwinrin etc and the most famous of them Obatala doubles as a deity.. Missionary sources of the mid 19th century mentions this name as a deity

Even the Peacock is an Ọba as the Yoruba would say "Ọkin ọba ẹyẹ"


2. Oranmiyan specifically intended to not raise his status when he was in Benin to that of an overall sovereign and held no styled title... Probably because he actually was not a sovereign considering the obstacles he met from Ogiamien
So this word "ọba" that some miscreants are trying to claim actually is not something they understand 
Rightly so as it is a foreign word and to them since their Sovereign is called by this word it must be a special title for a sovereign
[/b]

3. In direct response to what the miscreant is trying to restrict the argument to.. That is, a particular king referred to with the word "oba". The first Ọmọnọba or Oba of Benin referred to in a document with the word "oba" is Ovonramwen and only in retrospect as this was after he had been deposed. Documents I have only date to 1906
.. If he can provide a document from an earlier date showing any Ọmọnọba before ovonramwen called "ọba" it would be very impressive but I doubt such document exist.

While you have provided earlier documents for your argument

macof:


That is not the assignment you have boy

Provide a pre - 1900s document using the word "oba" to address a particular Ọmọnọba

Provide the 1896 document not a rephrased quotation in a recent paper, let's see

You miscreants started it by asking TAO11 for a pre-1900s document which she has provided, now when asked to provide your own two days of sleepless nights and extensive research now still no answer


Below is a pre-1900s document showing Yoruba Kings referred to as Oba.
This is what you should have done


www.nairaland.com/attachments/12712594_20201120li_jpeg669beaef00c457b182431ec02a16e2d9

Elisée Reclus & A. H. Keane; “The earth and Its Inhabitants", Vol. 12, Published 1882, p.265

samuk:


Keep exposing yourself thinking others can't access the dictionary themselves to seen what it says.

The word Oba was first listed 1900-5 not 1998 as stated by madam lecturer and if it was that recent as 1998, it simply means the oyibos that list the word as Edo in origin isn't fooled by your falsehood.

Anyone can check dictionary online for what it says about the word.

The word is Edo in origin that the Yorubas share with the Benins.

RedboneSmith:


Arguing with you people is tiresome. Bring pre-1900 documentation you're bringing online dictionary from the 21st century.

Issorait. See my own online dictionary.

macof:

RedboneSmith:


The word was first listed in 1900-5, yet we have all these evidence from at least the 1850s of its use in Yorubaland. I see.

gregyboy:



You are mad at bolded



Very mad and its not funny

The earth kiill you there

samuk:


So the Benin must have bribed the oyibos. Don't Igbos have centuries old folktales about the Oba of Benin? Was Yoruba not existing when the white people listed the word as being Edo in origin?

Your madam lecturer can fool you but not those white people that have been visiting Africa for close to 1000 years. They know who is who. You can't choose when to quote them and when to argue and disagree with them because you don't like what they wrote.

You are happy when they say the Yoruba used the word Oba in late 1800s but not happy when they say it's Edo in origin, what double standards.

RedboneSmith:


That is not for me to prove. Y'all first said the Yoruba didn't use oba until the last century. That has been proven on this thread to be an ignorant lie.

All that we're asking is for you to also prove that you used oba pre-1900. At this point no one is saying you didn't. Just prove it. The way the Yoruba have proved theirs.


I am amused at the fact that you keep bringing up my ethncity as if that has any bearing on anything. I am a historian. Ethnicity has nothing to do with who can study history and who can discuss it.

macof:


the emotional trauma is heavy. Madness is setting in, curses are now involved

Anyway I will report this regardless. You need to learn how to keep quiet and stop embarrassing yourself next time

RedboneSmith:

Lol. Greg and Samuk are probably the same person.

RedboneSmith:


But why are you mentioning me when you know all you have to say is nonsense?

No be una first begin ask for pre-1900 documentation? Have you found one that supports your position. No, you haven't. So rest, you hear? You have tried. Rest.

samuk:


You should have read from the sidelines. It still doesn't change the fact that your people were under the old Benin empire whatever the king was called.

TAO11:
Lol! May be in IQ level.


However, gregyboy and Edeyoung are actually one and the same person.

I thought I should put this information out there so folks are aware when they’re dealing with one and the same individual.

Afam4eva:
I also want to know what other traditional rulers in Edo state apart from the oba of Benin are called.

JanSnow:
You entered an igbo thread to cause trouble amongst igbos then involved yoruba. You derailed the thread and now you are saying nonsense, nobody should saty at any sidelines this is public space

samuk:


Hold on to your conclusion.

The title was originally the preserve of the Oba who was the sovereign of the empire.

When the first European visited Benin in 1485 they met an Oba but the title is much older than that. For those disputing that the king of Benin was not known as Oba, they should tell us what the title was.

There are countless other traditional rulers in Edo state with their own titles but the Oba was the sovereign.

Don't also forget that historically the Benin empire was not only confined to the present Edo state, most part of Igbo land, eastern Yoruba up to Lagos were all part of the old Benin empire. Whilst the capital of the empire had the Oba as the sovereign, all other towns had something like, deji of Akure, Eleko of Eko, olu of Warri, Enojie of Ekpoma etc.

macof:


Tao Tao always giving them hard education. They of course will not take it because that's not what they are after but to prevent those who don't know better from taking their nonsense seriously it is important to give education

Imagine still asking for source that calls a Yoruba King ọba
Even after you explained that the word "ọba" is a common noun and Yoruba Kings are referred to by their styled titles.. A Bini person can't grasp this because to them "ọba" is a title (as a result of it being foreign to them) and "ogie" is the word for King

Permit me to add

1. "ọba" as a common noun doesn't necessarily mean a sovereign but any king or chief or honoured personage who presides over or dorminates something
For example, Ife nobles before the creation of a united ife were all known as Obas presiding over their quarters ie. Oba Idio, Oba Ejio, Oba Iloran, Oba Iwinrin etc and the most famous of them Obatala doubles as a deity.. Missionary sources of the mid 19th century mentions this name as a deity

Even the Peacock is an Ọba as the Yoruba would say "Ọkin ọba ẹyẹ"


2. Oranmiyan specifically intended to not raise his status when he was in Benin to that of an overall sovereign and held no styled title... Probably because he actually was not a sovereign considering the obstacles he met from Ogiamien
So this word "ọba" that some miscreants are trying to claim actually is not something they understand 
Rightly so as it is a foreign word and to them since their Sovereign is called by this word it must be a special title for a sovereign

3. In direct response to what the miscreant is trying to restrict the argument to.. That is, a particular king referred to with the word "oba". The first Ọmọnọba or Oba of Benin referred to in a document with the word "oba" is Ovonramwen and only in retrospect as this was after he had been deposed. Documents I have only date to 1906
.. If he can provide a document from an earlier date showing any Ọmọnọba before ovonramwen called "ọba" it would be very impressive but I doubt such document exist.

While you have provided earlier documents for your argument

macof:



You will tell me what word was used to describe the nobles of ife before oduduwa was even King
clowns

samuk:


Oduduwa and Oranmiyan are myths. I am not interested in discussing myths.

gregyboy:



Trying to guess my identity again with the Edeyoung guy... Lol


My beating on you is berserk


Since the benin king never used the title oba till 1900,then it just goes along proving my point oromiyan who happens to have brought the title to benin never again

But send me the link and reference to do point you gave

macof:
maybe oba of Benin is myth, a recent creation

Please provide documentation of the title oba used in Benin pre-1900s. Almost 3 days now

Afam4eva:
I also want to know what other traditional rulers in Edo state apart from the oba of Benin are called.

samuk:


You should have read from the sidelines. It still doesn't change the fact that your people were under the old Benin empire whatever the king was called.

Edeyoung:


Why would you say oba of benin is a myth something the Europeans noted in all thier text

JanSnow:
You entered an igbo thread to cause trouble amongst igbos then involved yoruba. You derailed the thread and now you are saying nonsense, nobody should saty at any sidelines this is public space

TAO11:
The word used by other Edo-speaking monarch’s for “king” all appear to be around the Edo root-word “ogie” — “king”.

Many word deriving from this word are used by the Edos and allied-people for “king” till date. Consider the following examples:

(1) “Ogiso” (from: “ogie-iso” — meaning: the “king from the sky” ).

Historically, this was the epithet used by the Edo supreme rulers in their first dynasty prior to their shift and adoption of “Oba” from the beginning of their second dynasty.


(2) “Ogiamien” (“the king of the [Edo] country” ).

Historically, this was the epithet used by the Edo regents during the intermediate period (interregnum) between the first dynasty and the second dynasty.

Till date, the “Ogiamien” royal family line still survives in Benin. They insist, till date, that the present ruling royal family of Benin (i.e. “Oba” ) is a foreign non-Bini lineage all the way from Ife.

(3) “Ogiame” (from “ogie-ame“ — meaning: the “king over the waters” ).

Till date, the personal names of Itsekiri kings are prefixed by the word “ogiame” by virtue of their connection to the monarchy of Benin.

(4) The following are some other derived words from “ogie” used by Edo-related monarchies (such as Urhobo, et al.) around today’s South-South Nigeria: “Enogie”, “Ovie”, “Orodje”, et al.

macof:

Oya provide documentated evidence