Gerrard59:


Total nonsense! All over the developed world, it's the men that develop their places not women. Men literally created the Americas, Europe, developed Asia and Middle East. It is a shame that Nigerian men cannot develop their country only to blame the women. Which developed country had women at the forefront in civilisation?

They are now blaming women

Apart from corruption and taxation, the Nigerian state is very poor due to lack of productivity. If we are going to have such nice roads then we need to start working on ways to raise our gdp per capita to around $20,000 and that is 10x from what we have today. Most developed nations are around 25x higher than Nigeria in gdp per capita.

Raydos:
Apart from patching roads and building useless bridges where it's not even needed, What other things do they politicians see as development?

Imagine having this kind of cool streets in Nigeria with Good drainage system and not this open gutters we have everywhere??

Why can't black people think out of the BOX??

You don't have to call out your race because of a taddy looking street. What is special about the street? I don't see flying cars or winged buildings. These kind of streets can be found in Abuja. Let's hear word jaare.

VeeVeeMyLuv:
what is preventing Nigeria from rising now? Do our leaders don't like better things? Just look at the neat tidy well constructed roads! What is wrong in having all roads in Nigeria look so tidy like this?

Nawa!

you get time to answer that person o.

Aconomist:
hahahaha! Do you know that South Africa is even worse than Nigeria? Everything good in South Africa came from the whites. You guys can't even manage your own stores without foreigners. Nigeria is the best country in the black race in terms of actually owning and controlling businesses.

The rest of Africa is on monkey mode. Everything is owned and controlled by foreigners in your country. Name one black South African billionaire? There is NONE!

Jesus!! This is wickedness lmao.. Bros take am easy abeg. I can't stop laughing here o

PhiliptheArab:


So when you get into politics would you be willing to charge heavy taxes to pay for the good roads you want?

Our budget for thos year is 26 billion dollars. South africa spent 23 billion dollars on education alone last year.

London's budget is 2 billion dollars this year.Lagos budget is 3 milllion dollars. ( for the state not the town) ( figures not correct. Error regretted )

Our oil revenue is not enough to feed everyone for a month self.

How do you raise the money.?

Your one-pill obsession with tax overlooks the fact that Nigerian construction contracts are not only over-invoiced (leading to unforgivably gross waste) but also higher percentage losses of generated revenue to endemic corruption in government and public service.

What about the lack of maintenance culture? OR deliberate misuse of political will against continuity of governance where you see the new governor deliberate sabotaging public projects leaving them to go moribund just because, the initiator, his predecessor was from an opposing camp/party OR merely because he simply lazily desires to foolishly make a name for himself too by starting a needless duplication of an abandoned old project?

Executive, government and fiscal waste still remains at all-time high? Have you considered stemming that?!

From where or how do you think Nigerian poor ekk out their lowest of the low basic living that you're so gleefully intent on taxing while ignoring the ruling class with all their luxury items?!

Let me remind you that municipal water supply still wasn't working in Nigeria as at the last time I was there (I can't speak for now). Power supply to meaningfully run SME operations for half a day is largely unavailable. Affordable housing is off the table also as well as Govt. Assisted mass housing.

And we must be mindful of the fact that the present poverty of the Nigerian masses is a creation of both past and current factors. They are already an over-leeched polity deliberately made so by their corrupt leadership, infrastructural deficits, policy misapplications, political instability and environmental insecurity.

I'd suggest further explorations along the line of your last point... Rebuilding the Nigerian economy and State!

If you were to do an honest general review of the recent national loans of the present and immediate past adminstration, would you say the funds were properly used?

Consider the South/South's underdevelopment, the exhaustive votes of funds, contracts etc from the oil companies as well the NDDC, would you say taxing the poor riverine ijaws more would be the answer to getting more projects delivered?

We're yet to speak of boosting production along lines of each State's comparative advantage. OR political restructuring to unyoke the States from the ineptitude and tyranny of the centre. Otherwise, how do you explain Zamfara having full access to its own gold but the South/South's oil is for all? OR Kano State deriving allocations from tax funds from Nigerian Breweries but still running its Islamic State Religious "Hisbah police" to destroy alcoholic drinks joints, depots and business States-wide? Those were tax-payers too, mind you?!

We've not spoken of various funds leaks including Ghost workers in the public and civil service to whom billions are lost monthly yet the poor tax-paying private school nursery teacher has to pay more tax f to compensate for sins at the federal level? I think not!!

Why are we not considering political regime changes of credible, competent and creative minds who have track records to show to take the country in New directions? Why not system-wide ICT upgrades to bolster and secure all aspects of government's dealings from revenue collection, to crime fighting, to municipal administration etc so as to limit waste, fraud and crime?

Nigeria's problems are presently a one-pill solution hence we must reach deep and refrain committing the age-old fallacy of mono-causalism that often bedevils those who feel they know!

You seem passionate, I hope you'd add been broadminded to that. Who knows? You might have a future in governance in Naija. Just give those tips a thought and don't blindly overtax the pple, Cheers.

olaboy1:
Apart from corruption and taxation, the Nigerian state is very poor due to lack of productivity. If we are going to have such nice roads then we need to start working on ways to raise our gdp per capita to around $20,000 and that is 10x from what we have today. Most developed nations are around 25x higher than Nigeria in gdp per capita.

To raise productivity, you have to be ready to compete globally.

Is it not the same Nigerians that prefer second hand clothing, cars that would all of a sudden become productive?

Ordinary services industry na failure because people just don't have good work ethics and have no Idea how to dream big , other than benz ,, iPhone and house.

giddy2019:

sukunbi rapheal
come back facebook now

WTF? How did you know it was me?? And what's your username?

Raydos:
Apart from patching roads and building useless bridges where it's not even needed, What other things do they politicians see as development?

Imagine having this kind of cool streets in Nigeria with Good drainage system and not this open gutters we have everywhere??

Why can't black people think out of the BOX??

People like you need to leave your village and come to Abuja. Your state capital is not the whole Nigeria.

Raydos:
Even ordinary Windhoek in Namibia, Has a beautiful streets with well paved roads and sidewalks, and to imagine Nigeria is 10 times richer than Namibia oo

We're finished in this country

You should ask why the street is beautiful and the country is poorer than Nigeria too

Yenefer:
Because just like fingers are different. Countries are also different they maybe rich and develop now,. Nigeria will also rise and develop. they may also fall

"They may" That's under probability

Raydos:


An average Nigerian is ready to pay as long as you are going to give him enough assurance that his money won't be re-looted

you say, no talk this shit where guys dey o

chachanga:


Your one-pill obsession with tax overlooks the fact that Nigerian construction contracts are not only over-invoiced (leading to unforgivably gross waste) but also higher percentage losses of generated revenue to endemic corruption in government and public service.

What about the lack of maintenance culture? OR deliberate misuse of political will against continuity of governance where you see the new governor deliberate sabotaging public projects leaving them to go moribund just because, the initiator, his predecessor was from an opposing camp/party OR merely because he simply lazily desires to foolishly make a name for himself too by starting a needless duplication of an abandoned old project?

Executive, government and fiscal waste still remains at all-time high? Have you considered stemming that?!

From where or how do you think Nigerian poor ekk out their lowest of the low basic living that you're so gleefully intent on taxing while ignoring the ruling class with all their luxury items?!

Let me remind you that municipal water supply still wasn't working in Nigeria as at the last time I was there (I can't speak for now). Power supply to meaningfully run SME operations for half a day is largely unavailable. Affordable housing is off the table also as well as Govt. Assisted mass housing.

And we must be mindful of the fact that the present poverty of the Nigerian masses is a creation of both past and current factors. They are already an over-leeched polity deliberately made so by their corrupt leadership, infrastructural deficits, policy misapplications, political instability and environmental insecurity.

I'd suggest further explorations along the line of your last point... Rebuilding the Nigerian economy and State!

If you were to do an honest general review of the recent national loans of the present and immediate past adminstration, would you say the funds were properly used?

Consider the South/South's underdevelopment, the exhaustive votes of funds, contracts etc from the oil companies as well the NDDC, would you say taxing the poor riverine ijaws more would be the answer to getting more projects delivered?

We're yet to speak of boosting production along lines of each State's comparative advantage. OR political restructuring to unyoke the States from the ineptitude and tyranny of the centre. Otherwise, how do you explain Zamfara having full access to its own gold but the South/South's oil is for all? OR Kano State deriving allocations from tax funds from Nigerian Breweries but still running its Islamic State Religious "Hisbah police" to destroy alcoholic drinks joints, depots and business States-wide? Those were tax-payers too, mind you?!

We've not spoken of various funds leaks including Ghost workers in the public and civil service to whom billions are lost monthly yet the poor tax-paying private school nursery teacher has to pay more tax f to compensate for sins at the federal level? I think not!!

Why are we not considering political regime changes of credible, competent and creative minds who have track records to show to take the country in New directions? Why not system-wide ICT upgrades to bolster and secure all aspects of government's dealings from revenue collection, to crime fighting, to municipal administration etc so as to limit waste, fraud and crime?

Nigeria's problems are presently a one-pill solution hence we must reach deep and refrain committing the age-old fallacy of mono-causalism that often bedevils those who feel they know!

You seem passionate, I hope you'd add been broadminded to that. Who knows? You might have a future in governance in Naija. Just give those tips a thought and don't blindly overtax the pple, Cheers.

And in response the reason why most of those absues happen is because we don't pay enough tax

I told someone here that our income comes from sales of raw materials, not from taxes. Taxes account for a minute amount of our income...so as a result corrupt governemtn leaders have no incentive towork for the people...hence the mess you outlined.

Abroad, not only do they have a higher tax rate, but their budgets are funnded by taxes...so government is incentivsed to function welll, and people are incentivsed to hold government to account.

We don't have light and water for much the same reasons...no matter how badly NEPA and state water bords prfomrd in the past, their money would still come in from Lagos and Abuja.

Yenefer:
Due to PDP stolen almost everything and doing nothing to develop the country

And APC...

There are so many intellect on nairaland, wished i could be groom by one of them

jajeri3216:


To raise productivity, you have to be ready to compete globally.

Is it not the same Nigerians that prefer second hand clothing, cars that would all of a sudden become productive?

Ordinary services industry na failure because people just don't have good work ethics and have no Idea how to dream big , other than benz ,, iPhone and house.

The starting point to industrialization is energy and that’s why the west is trying to go green with its eco vehicles so as to reduce energy cost. Nigeria needs to find a 30yr $10b loan to increase its energy generation.
Without energy there is nothing and nobody to compete against.

EastisBae:


Internet is really helping to open our eyes to see how backward and underdeveloped we are. As we continue to get angry and ask questions, it will eventually rub off and put the looters under serious pressure to do the right thing. However, we Nigerians also need a paradigm change, we don't value aesthetics at all. Planting trees, flowers and grasses can be quite affordable even to a poor person, but you will see Nigerians driving good cars yet living in terrible environments.

This picture you posted of Afghanistan, looks very much like Aba or Onitsha except that the Afghan city has more trees but the ironical thing is that while Aba and Onitsha are in the rainforest belt where trees can easily thrive, Afghanistan on the other hand is a desert country.

Poverty also plays a role, we can't be wretched and poverty stricken and still have decent looking neighborhoods. It's simply not possible because poverty breeds decay, ignorance, lack of exposure and backwardness.

The worst thing is that Nigeria is not even making any progress, instead we are retrogressing very fast while the rest of the world keeps advancing. What this means in essence, is that in the next 10 to 20 years, we will still be like this or even worse while the rest of the world would have improved massively on the amazing ones they already have.

Check Northern Nigeria and see the indexes coming out from there and you will know that we are in grave danger as a nation. The North may soon start facing acute food shortages and widespread violence, then what hope do they have?

Nigeria is in serious trouble.

Afghanistan is not a desert country sir/ma

rossniti:


Shut up your dirty mouth, you stupid foreigner on nairaland. Nazi bastard. How many black countries have you been to to type this racist vomit?

boast of any successful nation to counter his claim

PhiliptheArab:
We don't have these kind of streets in nigeria because we are not ready to pay the kind of taxes that would fund and maintain those kind of streets.

In the UK, if you are living in the city, you pay council tax which ranges from 60000 to 100000 naira monthly depending on the city. That money goes into making the cities look nice

That's why uk cities have great streets.

If we charged that kind of tax in Nigeria, Nigerians would scream.

So we pay scanty taxes and get scanty and bad roads

The bad roads we have in Nigeria are what we can afford. The sad thing is that looting still happens on top

What the fuk are you spewing man? You sound like a government official and beneficiary.

Lower and poorer countries like Namibia and Gambia have such streets that are portrayed in the pictures. Are they paying huge taxes
. Is that what you're saying?

iblawi:


People like you need to leave your village and come to Abuja. Your state capital is not the whole Nigeria.

You're calling that overpriced ghost town a capital?? LOL

There's literally no night life over there!!

olaboy1:


The starting point to industrialization is energy and that’s why the west is trying to go green with its eco vehicles so as to reduce energy cost. Nigeria needs to find a 30yr $10b loan to increase its energy generation.
Without energy there is nothing and nobody to compete against.

Why 10 billion?

My guess , we can't build it ourselves, hence borrowed capital and expertise.

Chinese trains are already breaking down, more roi for them.

If we want to be honest our lack of expertise is more damning than the lack of funding.

PhiliptheArab:


They don't have to drill their borehole or generate their light because they pay heavily in council tax, water levy and pay for power heavily enough that the cities, the power companies and water companies have enough money to pay for things well well.

Here in Nigeria we don't pay as much, so we don't get enough power and water and light and road...so eveyrone has to drill their own borehole annd buy their own gen.

In the UK...cost of power per kwh is 86 naira. Here in Nigeria it was between 20-30 naira until recently. UK companies have enough cash as a result to pay for fixing power..PLUS...everyone and his mama pays for power. Nothing for ilelgal connection, join join, etc.

You just de yab nonsense. Babatunde Fowler, former IRS boss has been charged for mismanagement of tax fund, but you still want increment in tax when the previous being paid have been mismanaged.

I'm pretty sure you hold high post in IRS that's why you are clamoring on increment in tax payments so that you can use these funds to send you kids abroad and have their education there, buy houses in Dubai, keep some in Swiss account, bury some money in grave, keep some in Geepee tank. I know thats your tactics, you just de disguise.

MetalJigsaw:
What the fuk are you spewing man? You sound like a government official and beneficiary.

Lower and poorer countries like Namibia and Gambia have such streets that are portrayed in the pictures. Are they paying huge taxes
. Is that what you're saying?

Thanks for using fowl language...

But to answer your question

Namibia

GDP per capita :5,931.45 USD

Nigeria

GDP per capits 2250 USD


also

Namibia

tAX TO gdp ratio 29.6%

Nigeria

5.8%



We are poorer than Namibia and have less income than Namibia.


Gambia has a samller population plus they also have lots of bad roads.

Yenefer:
Due to PDP stolen almost everything and doing nothing to develop the country

Apc has been in power for 5 years now and counting


Who do you owe your allegiance as a citizen?

To a political party or a politician or to the country itself?

Korllami007:


You just de yab nonsense

.

Lovely. Without proving why I yab nonsense....

Babatunde Fowler, former IRS boss has been charged for mismanagement of tax fund, but you still want increment in tax when the previous being paid have been mismanaged.

Yes, and isn't he being held to account by the way.....?

He is under arrest, he has started cohging out loot.

And yes, I am jsut as dissapointed in him as you are.

I'm pretty sure you hold high post in IRS that's why you are clamoring on increment in tax payments so that you can use these funds to send you kids abroad and have their education there, buy houses in Dubai, keep some in Swiss account, bury some money in grave, keep some in Geepee tank. I know thats your tactics, you just de disguise.

And I am srure that you have one billon dollars in your Swiss account, two billion in your New York account, three billion invested with a good hedge fund, and a mansion in New York too....and you are married to a former Miss Universe.

abbey621:


Imagine someone like Tinubu became the leader, can you still have such developments when 30-40% of the budget goes towards his pockets? Same goes for our Eastern regions, we all would like to point fingers and blame the other tribe but the truth is that our regional leaders are just as wicked as the national ones. If a Yoruba person could not do it for 8 years, Northerners could not do it for forever and a South-South person could not do it for 5 years, what makes you think any NIGERIAN can solve these problems? It's not a tribe thing, it's a mentality/cultural problem, I said it once and I'll say it again, show me a true patriot in Nigeria and I'll show you a man that has yet to taste power and wealth!

I mentioned Awolowo for an obvious reason and that was why I limited my argument to the then old western region. My point essentially was that if that particular republic was not truncated or better still if Yoruba nation was independent, there was no way we would have been at this present precarious level. We could have better streets than those ones shown in this thread.

We all hold our personal opinions about those personalities - Tinubu,Obasanjo,Jonathan,etc- you mentioned above and as such,I wouldn't like to dwell much on them. Some people believe that Obasanjo was the best President while some see Tinubu as the father of modern Lagos ! You can't stop them from holding their opinions. It is their right !

If you're saying "it's not a tribe thing,it's a mentality/cultural problem...." This sounds like a contradiction to me. You may care to explain further. I however know that as Africans,we are highly tribal and that influences our politics too. The more reason why each region fared better in the first republic. Awolowo gave his all to his beloved Yoruba people ditto for Azikiwe and Ahmadu Bello. They all served their people ! So what has changed now ? The so called national leaders are actually tribal leaders and that's what has changed !

Do you think Buhari genuinely cares if there are roads or not in Aba or Osogbo ? He is however,very much concerned to have some rail lines laid from Daura to somewhere in Niger republic ! This is because that's where his ethnic fulani are predominant. He wants all the developments for his beloved North ! Is that not what is playing out now ?

I agree with you on the fact that the present crop of politicians,either national or local,are wicked and selfish and that's because the present system supports them. Therefore,if Nigeria is restructured in such a way that each region or geopolitical zone is given a free hand to manage their affairs and to develop at their own pace, there will be faster rate of development definitely and this will positively affect the country as a whole.

Talking about patriotism, nobody, anywhere in the world, is loyal or patriotic to a system in which they feel they are being cheated. We can't shy away from the fact that a lot of people/tribes in Nigeria feel that the current system favours a particular tribe or region at their own expense.

If we must remain together as one people,then true federalism is the only way out. Each region must be allowed to develop at its own pace without any region constituting as clog in the wheel of progress !

Raydos:



So those billions that has been looted, is it not enough to build something like this??

Even if people pay those taxes you mentioned, it will still be looted! Stop defending rubbish

Why didn't you also ask why driving those kind of cars is not normal in Nigeria?

PhiliptheArab:


And in response the reason why most of those absues happen is because we don't pay enough tax

I told someone here that our income comes from sales of raw materials, not from taxes. Taxes account for a minute amount of our income...so as a result corrupt governemtn leaders have no incentive towork for the people...hence the mess you outlined.

Abroad, not only do they have a higher tax rate, but their budgets are funnded by taxes...so government is incentivsed to function welll, and people are incentivsed to hold government to account.

We don't have light and water for much the same reasons...no matter how badly NEPA and state water bords prfomrd in the past, their money would still come in from Lagos and Abuja.

Hmmn but by which methods may higher tax-paying disenfranchised and oppressed citizens in Nigeria be incentivized to hold their deliberately deaf Govt more accountable.

They've gone through SERAP, BUDGIT, TRACKA.NG on Twitter. They've shouted on TV/Radio after seeing public service holders loading monies into Agbada on live video, nothing came of it.
Even taking to the streets and dying by the droves to protest basic freedoms like right to safety yet the Govt chose to lie and gaslight.
How do they hold such a Govt up to being transparent, accountable and fiscally responsible while leaking more funds to tax which will most likely get dissipated on politicians' lusts?

Only two things can move a country forward and seen as earthly paradise as shown above:
Power
Neatness attitude

Both are dreams in Nigeria cos poverty cannot maintain those things

PhiliptheArab:
.

Lovely. Without proving why I yab nonsense....



Yes, and isn't he being held to account by the way.....?

He is under arrest, he has started cohging out loot.

And yes, I am jsut as dissapointed in him as you are.



And I am srure that you have one billon dollars in your Swiss account, two billion in your New York account, three billion invested with a good hedge fund, and a mansion in New York too....and you are married to a former Miss Universe.

You want someone earning 30k per month to be paying 70000k in tax per month. Someone hawking okro, you want that person to be paying 70000k in taxes.

Oga, what is your post in IRS make we know? Stop disguising.

Because Nigerians and Africans in general dont have the mental capacity to build and sustain a functioning society

Even black south Africans are not left out
I see some of them running their mouth here

But you guys are just as useless as the rest of us on this continent
The country is decaying under your leadership
Especially that fo.ol called Zuma.

SA with the rampant crime, poverty, highest inequality, highest youth unemployment and every thing bad
Yet you guys have the mouth to talk down on anybody lol


Black people are mentally incapable as a collective fo build and sustain functioning societies

Period

Korllami007:


You want someone earning 30k per month to be paying 70000k in tax per month. Someone hawking okro, you want that person to be paying 70000k in taxes.

Oga, what is your post in IRS make we know? Stop disguising.

Dont mind that person