OfficialJayy:


Oga, nobody is arguing with you here, but rather I was simply trying to correct you when it sounded like you were implying that messi was more loved in Argentina than Maradona..

Yes, Maradona had the likes of Valdano, same way Messi had the likes of di maria, and if not because of these guys scoring the goals during the k/o stages, Messi would not have gone to the 2014 ucl final..

And yes, Messi never turns up 'when needed' .. I dare you to prove me wrong.. and for those records you mentioned, Rooney has all sort of records for england, but you can't compare his legacy to someone like Charlton.. infact our very own jay jay okocha is one of the best players to step out of africa, but can we really say he has excelled while playing for Nigeria..

If Messi can play and win things for barca, then why can't he do the same for Argentina despite having almost the same caliber of players..

He's hardly unlucky with barca, but when he's needed the most in Argentina, suddenly bad luck suddenly creeps in

tesppidd:
Even a kid knows this.

Messi is more loved than every other footballer in Argentina.

afroxyz:


Argentina is not Barcelona

nolywe:
RIP Diego...Death could have taken Lai Mohammed, Fashola, Tinubu, Oshomole, Wike, Amaechi, Nnamdi Kanu, and las las BuBu...coz Nigeria would be better without these people...No one would even bother to clash with the police during their funeral...

Helpfromabove1:
Trump my man

tesppidd:
Oga Messi does not need to score goals to be the best player at 3 tournaments for Argentina.

Only a football novice would say that a player was not excellent in a football match simply because he did not score!


And when talking about knock out goals why are mischievously limiting it to World Cup 2014?
Are other tournaments not equally measuring his so called performances for Argentina?

When Messi scored in the Quarter final against Venezuela at the Copa America 2016, it was not a knock out match abi?

When Messi scored against USA in the Semi final, it was not a knock out match abi?


And to compare his Argentina to his Barcelona is nothing but utter mischief and dishonestly on your part.

Argentina has always had a superb and excellent attack, a mediocre midfield and an average difference.

Argentina have always had an attack of the best attackers in Europe, but defence and midfield filled with mediocrity.

Can you name any country that ever won the World cup that way? With a crappy midfield and defence?
Surely you can't even dare!


Lemme repeat it in case you pretend not to see;

Messi is the top scorer for Argentina, top assister for Argentina, best player at 3 major tournaments for Argentina.

If you call this "he never turns up" then you need serious help with your reasoning.

Just as De Lima Ronaldo never won the Champions league, not because he never turned up for his club but because he was unlucky.

Messi is unlucky not to have won the World Cup or Copa America.

Even if he had won and lifted the World Cup in 2014 You guys would have said Messi won the world cup but he did not score in the knock outs stages.

You lots are just pathetic.

TriCee:
Chai, that was quite fast. Rest on legend!

You could have done more for football (advisory or coaching), but death came earlier.

tesppidd:
Learn how to read and comprehend.
I quoted the guy who said "Maradona is more loved than Messi"
I concurred with him by saying that "Even a kid knows this"
Then I continued my response;
"Messi is more loved than every other footballer in Argentina.
Meaning every other footballer apart from Maradona.
Stop having an erection over my post.

Leun:
I can only wonder which Nigerian when God calls them home will have the nation weep for them in this fashion.

OfficialJayy:


You are very funny..

The way you said Maradona had the likes of Valdano scoring goals, it sounded as if Messi was the only one scoring all the goals for Argentina and he had no support from his team mates.. but now that I have reminded you about how messi did not score a goal during the 2014 k/o stages.. you are here saying another thing..

Argentina has always had a mediocre midfield and defence.. wow
So the likes of di maria, mascherano, banega, biglia, gago, pastore, roman riquelme, veron, paredes and cambiasso were/are mediocre midfielders.. wow
The likes of zabaleta, zanetti, rojo, dimechelis, burdisso, heinze, militto, garay, tagliafico are bang average right? wow..

Please the Argentina team that won the world cup, how many world class midfielders and defenders did it contain abeg?

De lima's legacy in the champions league is near to non-existent, but he won other club trophies.. World cup aside, which trophy has messi won with Argentina?

tesppidd:
1. Maradona had the likes of Valdano, Bucharragia scoring crucial goals in at least one of the tournaments he played in.
Its not like Maradona won every single tournament he played for Argentina. He failed in some because he couldn't do it alone.

2. You need to free yourself of this confusion of playing excellent equals scoring.
I tell you for free; players can have a world class game without scoring. I tell you for free!

3. He did not score knock out goals at World Cup 2014, and it's not like the entire team did either. Only Higuain and De Maria did; they played ahead of him and it was their duty to score!
But he scored at Copa America 2016. Abi was that one not a competition too?

4.
World Cup 2010
Copa America 2011
World Cup 2014
Copa America 2015
Copa America 2016
World Cup 2018
Copa America 2019

The last time Argentina has a good midfield and defence was World Cup 2014. Every tournament after that their midfield and defence has been shiit like toilet paper, far from a world cup winning squad.
And 2014 was Messi's peak when he really had the team. The team was so good they made the World Cup final.

Maradona owned the 1986 world cup but he was still shit in the 1982, 1990 and 1994 world cups.

De Lima won other trophies because there were many more to win at club level and they were contested every season, every year not 4 years apart.
You can't compare a yearly tournament with a 4 yearly tournament.

De Lima was unlucky not to win the UCL, Messi is unlucky not to win the Copa America or the World Cup. Period!

OfficialJayy:


Its no big deal if a player does not score a goal during a game.. but the way you are saying maradona had the likes of valdano scoring crucial goals, I just wanted to remind you that Messi too had the likes of di maria also scoring goals during crucial moments too..

During the k/o stages of that 2014 wc, by his standards, Messi was crap.. he was not scoring goals nor giving assists, nor creating a lot of chances either.. and of course we all know that superstars like Messi don't press when they are out of possession.. so if as an attacker you are not doing any of these things, I wonder how you can claim to have a good game... Infact if not because he's Messi, he might have been relegated to the bench with kun aguero taking his place.. why do you think the decison to award messi the golden ball in that tournament was widely criticized(even by maradona himself) ?

In your previous post, you said Argentina's midfield and defence have always been bad.. now you're saying it was only the 2014 midfield that was good, which one am I gonna believe now?

In club football, de lima was a great footballer..but in ucl history, not so much..
In international football, till Messi wins a trophy with Argentina, his legacy is near to non-existent..
Ali daeli holds the record for the most goals scored in international football, and if not because of cr7 threatening to break his record, am sure 90% of soccer fans wouldn't have heard of him because despite that record, his legacy in international football is not so great due to his failure to win a trophy..
Messi has had like nine different opportunities to win a trophy with Argentina, how many more should they give him to change the narrative... Or should they now move the copa america to every year so that messi can wim? After all, copa america was played in both 2015 and 16, and messi still did not win

tesppidd:
You keep going on and on about De Maria.

Apart from the second round goal against Switzerland at World Cup 2014 when even Messi have him the assist, what other crucial goal did De Maria score in any of Argentina's 7 tournaments?

OfficialJayy:


Its no big deal if a player does not score a goal during a game.. but the way you are saying maradona had the likes of valdano scoring crucial goals, I just wanted to remind you that Messi too had the likes of di maria also scoring goals during crucial moments too..

During the k/o stages of that 2014 wc, by his standards, Messi was crap.. he was not scoring goals nor giving assists, nor creating a lot of chances either.. and of course we all know that superstars like Messi don't press when they are out of possession.. so if as an attacker you are not doing any of these things, I wonder how you can claim to have a good game... Infact if not because he's Messi, he might have been relegated to the bench with kun aguero taking his place.. why do you think the decison to award messi the golden ball in that tournament was widely criticized(even by maradona himself) ?

In your previous post, you said Argentina's midfield and defence have always been bad.. now you're saying it was only the 2014 midfield that was good, which one am I gonna believe now?

In club football, de lima was a great footballer..but in ucl history, not so much..
In international football, till Messi wins a trophy with Argentina, his legacy is near to non-existent..
Ali daeli holds the record for the most goals scored in international football, and if not because of cr7 threatening to break his record, am sure 90% of soccer fans wouldn't have heard of him because despite that record, his legacy in international football is not so great due to his failure to win a trophy..
Messi has had like nine different opportunities to win a trophy with Argentina, how many more should they give him to change the narrative... Or should they now move the copa america to every year so that messi can wim? After all, copa america was played in both 2015 and 16, and messi still did not win

OfficialJayy:


That goal was a match winning goal, therefore making it a crucial goal just like the valdona, burruchaga were also scoring crucial goals according to you

OfficialJayy:


That goal was a match winning goal, therefore making it a crucial goal just like the valdona, burruchaga were also scoring crucial goals according to you

tesppidd:
Maradona was average at 82, 90 and 94. He won 86 because Bucharragia scored in the final.

Even your Ronaldo won tournaments because others scored for him at 2 finals.

tesppidd:
Who gave the assist? Messi.

Was Messi not also scoring crucial goals at the 2016 Copa America?

At the 1986 final Maradona assisted Bucharragia and he scored.

At the 2014 final Messi assisted Higuain and he missed!

tesppidd:
Your words

"MESSI NEVER TURNS UP FOR ARGRNTINA"

How does anybody become the best player at 3 international tournaments and becoming his country's all time top scorer without ever turning up?

Was Ali Daelli ever the best player of any tournament?


Glad you brought in Cristiano Ronaldo.

If Eder did not turn up to score at the Euro 2016 final will your "CR7" ever win a trophy for Portugal?

If Bernado Silva and Guedes did not turn up at the Euro league 2018 final while Ronaldo was flopping would your "CR7" ever win a trophy?

Wouldn't his goal record be coming to a null if his team mates didn't step up for him at finals?

To win an International tournament you must have 3 or 4 players turning up to complement one another.

For all their exploits in Europe Aguero, De Maria, Higuain and Tevez have never complemented Messi enough.
They shine in Europe but deceive for Argentina.


To say that Messi never turns up for Argentina is a disgraceful comment which one could only make in a faceless forum.

He has only been unlucky. Ronaldo was lucky to have Eder and Guedes score for him at finals.

That's the only difference.

Withdraw that statement to stop this debate.

OfficialJayy:


Di maria, tevez, higuain shines in europe but deceives for Argentina... But somehow Messi always gives 10/10 for his country.. wow

Messi is a fantastic player, no doubt.. but till he wins a trophy with Argentina.. he will never be considered as a great player in international football.. simple as abc

OfficialJayy:


Messi scored a lot of goals during that 2016 copa america tournament, but when his team needed him the most to set an example for his team mates to follow, he sent his penalty kick to mars

OfficialJayy:


Yes Maradona was average during those other world cups, but he only needed to win one in order to cement his legacy, which he did.. tell Messi to win a trophy with Argentina first, then we will start taking him seriously, even if its copa america trophy, I don't care, let him just have one

Yes bucharragia scored the world cup winning goal, but it would interest you to know that maradona gave the assist.. lets not forget that Argentina scored two goals during the quarter final and another two during the semi final that year.. and all four goals were scored by maradona.. meaning he was a major part of the reason why they even got to the finals that year.. just take a look at the match against England, the odds were against Argentina and they needed something special to win, which maradona provided...

Messi plays well for Argentina, no doubt.. but far too often, when his team needs him the most, he usually goes missing..

I was patiently waiting for you to bring cr7 into the conversation, because the obsession you Messi fanboys have with him is something I can never truly understand.. I choose not to comment on this though because I really dont have the strength to be comparing Messi's and cr7's influence on their respective national teams

OfficialJayy:


Di maria, tevez, higuain shines in europe but deceives for Argentina... But somehow Messi always gives 10/10 for his country.. wow

Messi is a fantastic player, no doubt.. but till he wins a trophy with Argentina.. he will never be considered as a great player in international football.. simple as abc

charlesm91:
See arguments just to defend Messi’s lack of senior trophy for Argentina. Thank God say Ronaldo don win, whether by luck or not, at least we Ronaldo fans no fit dey argue this kind matter again.
Fact is Messi is yet to win a major trophy with Argentina. Until he does, this will always be an argument you can’t win.

tesppidd:
Behave yourself and stop playing the ostrich.

No other player in history has scored more goals wearing an Argentina shirt.

No other player in history has provided more assists than Messi wearing the Argentinean blue.

No other player in history has been the best player in 3 different international competition in the blue shirt of Argentina.


Oga tell us what Aguero, De Maria and Higuain have achieved playing for Argentina.

OfficialJayy:


Even if Messi likes let him score 1 million goals and give 1 millions assist.. without winning a trophy, his legacy can never be complete.. simple
I don't know why this is very hard for you to accept

Higuain goals-to-game ratio for Argentina is almost similar to Messi.. that would have also been the case for aguero if not because most of his appearances were substitute appearances due to the presence of higuain back then..
Tevez and di maria have never really been the best in terms of goals for their clubs, so I really don't know how you would expect them to post outrageous figures on the international scene..

Besides Messi has played roughly 2X the numbers of games that all these players have played, so its natural for him to have all these records..

Records without trophies mean nothing.. the likes of ali daeli comes to mind, like I said earlier rooney's england legacy can never be appreciated the same way Charlton's would simply because although the former made various records, the latter won a trophy..

Messi, di maria, huguain, etc were fantastic players for their clubs but without a trophy for Argentina, their legacy on the international scene can never be considered a success

tesppidd:
A team of 11 players cannot always need Messi most.

It should be when Messi needed them most.

Ronaldo needed Eder most agaisnt against France in Euro 2016 final and Eder delivered.

Ronaldo needed Bernadomost I the Nations league final 2018 and Bernado delivered.

When can't Huguain and Aguero deliver for Messi when he needs them most after all Ronaldo went missing in 2 finals when his team needed him most but it had to take others to compliment his earlier efforts to win those trophies?


"Messi never shows up for Argentina"

Just Retract this foolish statement and we're done.

tesppidd:
Lol

From "Messi never delivers" to
"His legacy cannot be complete"

Oga retract the statement; "Messi never delivers for Argentina"

If not for his hattrick against Ecuador, we would not even see Argentina at World Cup at Wolrd Cup 2018.

Yet he never delivers


Just retract the statement.

OfficialJayy:


Portugal needed cr7 the most during those finals?? Please was there ever a time when they went behind and needed someone to bail them out during those times??

You don't need people when things are going well in life( e.g in football, when your team is winning or the score is tied) rather you need them when things are going bad(e.g when you're losing)...