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Re: OPINION: How Donald Trump Will Be Re-elected In January 2020 by Timiofak(m): 12:11pm On Nov 29, 2020 |
Openbusiness: No it isn't not 100% legal to be a faithless elector. In most states they pay a fine And secondly if you think, 20 democrat electors sent from a state like PA, would vote trump is one of the biggest jokes i have heard In most cases they switch to in paty votes, i.e i belive 1 or 2 might vote sanders instead. 1 Like |
Re: OPINION: How Donald Trump Will Be Re-elected In January 2020 by Openbusiness: 12:49pm On Nov 29, 2020 |
Timiofak:$1K fine in some States is not a big deal. And Electors are chosen by the State's Legislature not the Governors etc, and almost all the State Legislature is mixed with both Red and Blue. And for a State like PA, Republicans have many seats, so all the Electors there CANNOT lean Blue. |
Re: OPINION: How Donald Trump Will Be Re-elected In January 2020 by Timiofak(m): 1:00pm On Nov 29, 2020 |
Openbusiness: Sir in PA it as been certified and they have picked democratic slate of electors so dead that thought that you think all 20 would vote for trump, the case that was filed to withdraw certification was tossed out with prejudice So all this you are saying is irrelevant, the only way the legislature could intervene as passed By tomorrow half of them are out of there jobs. Simple 1 Like |
Re: OPINION: How Donald Trump Will Be Re-elected In January 2020 by Eddie4God(m): 1:03pm On Nov 29, 2020 |
Openbusiness: Bro i understand your pain & the fact that you're still in denial, bt come on, some of those judges that have thrown out Trump's cases are Republican appointed. The truth is that SCOTUS ain't going to to overturn this election because Trump's campaign has no evidence of widespread electoral fraud. What they have is allegations & conspiracy theories. Media theatrics of allegations of widespread electoral fraud is easy & cheap. Bt the ball game is entirely different in the courtroom where you have to provide evidence. The fact that there are majority conservative Justices in the SCOTUS doesn't mean they will overlook the law & lack of credible evidence & just make Trump the winner of an election he lost. 2 Likes |
Re: OPINION: How Donald Trump Will Be Re-elected In January 2020 by Openbusiness: 1:08pm On Nov 29, 2020 |
Eddie4God:Read my initial post. This thread has nothing to do with a SCOTUS victory for Trump. Time is not on his side and the case most likely might never even get to SCOTUS before the Electoral College votes. This post is about the possibility of Trump winning through the Electoral College itself. |
Re: OPINION: How Donald Trump Will Be Re-elected In January 2020 by Openbusiness: 1:09pm On Nov 29, 2020 |
Timiofak:PA certification is in currently in dispute by the PA State Legislature |
Re: OPINION: How Donald Trump Will Be Re-elected In January 2020 by Eddie4God(m): 1:46pm On Nov 29, 2020 |
Openbusiness:I have read it. The chances of what you posted happening is far fetched. But let us assume this does happen. when this is happening what do you think Biden & the Democrats will be doing? Just folding their hands & watching Trump subvert the will of the people through a constitutional loophole? If this even happens, American democracy will be destroyed & it may likely lead to civil war. Also it will set a very dangerous precedent. That is, in the future, any presidential candidate who lost can simply allege unsubstantiated claims of voter fraud & rigging & so use the same backdoor trick or loophole to get d presidency neglecting the will of the people. If this occurs one or two or more times, what is then left of American democracy? The best course is still the court. However, that route is not going to save Trump because he lost to Biden fair & square. Beside,stop reading those far right conservative & conspiracy theories blogs & news outlets.It is not good for ur mental & intellectual wellbeing. For credible Republican/conservative informations, try to read National Review & other sensible media outlets. 2 Likes |
Re: OPINION: How Donald Trump Will Be Re-elected In January 2020 by Timiofak(m): 2:06pm On Nov 29, 2020 |
Openbusiness: No it isnt, it as been certified and the people that wanted it uncertified went to court on thurday. Yesterday there case got tossed out. Please read more. 1 Like |
Re: OPINION: How Donald Trump Will Be Re-elected In January 2020 by Openbusiness: 2:58pm On Nov 29, 2020 |
Timiofak:You still don't understand what my original post is about. This is not a matter of Trump needing 270 Electoral votes to win. This is about the both candidates having a shortfall to 270 Electoral votes. If you remove the votes of all the several Swing States being contested by Court litigations, both candidates are under 270. If there are sufficient faithless Electors, then none of them will reach 270, which means the Elections are indecisive. An indecisive election means the power to decide who becomes President will go to the House of Representatives. Each State House of Reps has 1 Vote. Republicans have 29 States, and Democrats have 21. It is expected the State Reps will vote along party lines, which means Trump will automatically win if it comes to this. That's why Trump said if Biden can get the Electoral College Votes, then he will leave. But if Biden doesn't get it, Trump will win. Considering the extent of voter fraud and that many States are under dispute, there will most likely be sufficient Faithless Electors. Even the Democrats are afraid of this reality. It coul happen and I believe it will. Only time will tell. |
Re: OPINION: How Donald Trump Will Be Re-elected In January 2020 by Openbusiness: 3:06pm On Nov 29, 2020 |
Timiofak:Nawa oh! Court case is DIFFERENT from State Legislature sitting processes. The Republican members of House of Representatives in Pennsylvania have introduced a resolution to declare the certification invalid due to confirmed election irregularities. The outcome is yet to be finalized. This week we will know how far. https://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2020/11/27/pennsylvania-republicans-dispute-2020-election-results-resolution/ |
Re: OPINION: How Donald Trump Will Be Re-elected In January 2020 by Timiofak(m): 3:59pm On Nov 29, 2020 |
Openbusiness: Lmao, first of all. 23 out of about 150 members claimed there is irregularities, all republicans. Nothing is confirmed like you claim And by tomorrow a good chunck of them would be out of work, this same article said it, only if you didnt read it And certification is done, the only way they could rescind it is by court and court already tossed out there claims 1 Like |
Re: OPINION: How Donald Trump Will Be Re-elected In January 2020 by Timiofak(m): 4:04pm On Nov 29, 2020 |
Openbusiness: Sir, the litigation is only in pa Georgia would vote biden, arizona would, nevada would too, wisconsin, and most definitely michigan Add that and still tell me how biden is below 270, its a miracle for 1 state to uncertify its vote, not to mention he needs 3 !!!! 3 ooo Lmao. As you said time would tell |
Re: OPINION: How Donald Trump Will Be Re-elected In January 2020 by Nobody: 9:06pm On Nov 29, 2020 |
Re: OPINION: How Donald Trump Will Be Re-elected In January 2020 by N2B2: 1:27am On Nov 30, 2020 |
Openbusiness: I didn't have your time earlier today because I was at work. ![]() There are 3 ways by which a case can reach the US Supreme Court (Scotus); we'll talk about one. Certiorari, which means "to inform". This is used to inform Scotus that one would like federal circuit court's decision reviewed. This is the method Trump has used to elevate some cases to the Scotus. Now, if Scotus decides to hear the case, both parties argue the case again with the same evidence as before. No new evidence is allowed. According to 35 U.S.C. Section 145, new evidence is only allowed to presented for Patent application cases. So, I say it again: if by some miracle Scotus decides to involve itself in this political $hitstorm, it'll most likely laugh Trump's suit out of court like the lower courts did. Remember: Team Trump, despite what they say on Tv, aren't alleging fraud in their lawsuits, neither do they have any evidence to suggest that fraud took place, but they're still praying for millions of ballots to be thrown out for no reason. Consider yourself schooled. ![]() Source: https://thehill.com/opinion/judiciary/524572-how-does-a-case-reach-the-supreme-court https://www.govinfo.gov/app/details/USCODE-2003-title35/USCODE-2003-title35-partII-chap13-sec145 2 Likes |
Re: OPINION: How Donald Trump Will Be Re-elected In January 2020 by AZeD1(m): 1:44am On Nov 30, 2020 |
Openbusiness:Stop showing your ignorance. 1) The Supreme Court has ruled against faithless electors. It's illegal for an elector to be faithless. In Arizona, Michigan and Nevada, failure to vote as pledged cancels the vote and replaces the elector. So forget that idea of swing states helping Trump via faithless electors. 2) The speaker of the house is a democrat. She has to call for a meeting before the election is certified by the house. If she doesn't call for the meeting, she becomes acting President. 3) Pennsylvania and Nevada have already certified their elections for Biden which means Democratic electors have already been chosen. 4) Like so many people have told you, the Supreme Court is an appellate Court and you cannot introduce new evidence. Even if the Supreme Court by mistake allows you to introduce new evidence, it would send the case back to the lower court for retrial. 1 Like |
Re: OPINION: How Donald Trump Will Be Re-elected In January 2020 by RandomGuy48: 3:02am On Nov 30, 2020 |
AZeD1:It's a little more complicated than that. The Supreme Court did not say it's illegal for an elector to be faithless. What they said was that states have the ability to make it so that it's illegal for an elector to be faithless. A lot of states have such laws but not all of them. However, faithless electors are quite rare. After all, the electors are chosen to be people who will want to vote for their pledged candidate anyway. People who are faithless electors do so not to try to change the outcome of the election, but just to make some kind of political statement without actually changing the outcome. An election outcome actually being changed by faithless electors is extraordinarily unlikely. 2 Likes |
Re: OPINION: How Donald Trump Will Be Re-elected In January 2020 by AZeD1(m): 3:46am On Nov 30, 2020 |
RandomGuy48:And three of the swing states have laws to replace the votes cast by faithless electors. 1 Like |
Re: OPINION: How Donald Trump Will Be Re-elected In January 2020 by ponziponzi(m): 4:39am On Nov 30, 2020 |
Openbusiness: It was just a hearing by some Republican members in a hotel, even not in the Capitol. That's a glorified village meeting. |
Re: OPINION: How Donald Trump Will Be Re-elected In January 2020 by ponziponzi(m): 4:47am On Nov 30, 2020 |
Openbusiness: Wrong! All three judges that ruled in Pennsylvania Federal Court of Appeals are Republicans. The Judge (Stephanos Bibas) that wrote the briefing was appointed by Donald Trump. He even stated that the case is unwinnable cause it just stu.pid. See below a snippet from the court briefing; 1 Like
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Re: OPINION: How Donald Trump Will Be Re-elected In January 2020 by RandomGuy48: 4:58am On Nov 30, 2020 |
AZeD1:True. However, the argument made was that due to the supposed electoral fraud going on (the supposed fraud that it seems no judge, whether appointed by a Democrat or Republican, has taken seriously), you would have a bunch of faithless electors, so this could be extended to other states. However, as noted, faithless electors are quite rare because the electors are specifically chosen to be people who are extremely likely to vote for the candidate. The electors that would be given to Trump are strong Republicans and the electors that would go to Biden are strong Democrats. So when electors do go faithless, it's not to try to change the outcome of the election but to make some kind of rhetorical point. Indeed, I believe various faithless electors have said that they only voted for someone else because they knew it wouldn't change the outcome of the election. So I do agree with you that the idea of faithless electors changing the outcome of the election is basically a pipe dream. I just wanted to clarify that the Supreme Court didn't say it was illegal to be a faithless elector, merely that states could make it so, and that a lot of states have. 1 Like |
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