davidmarker2:

The narrator is quoting precolonial texts, not your usual made up stories.
Your entire yoruba "history" is a farce.
here is the reality.*

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llporKrPsbU
abeokuta was founded in 1830 by fugitive slaves.
It seems to me that yoruba is one big slavedom
time stamp: 27:45



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samuk:
You already have enough students whose IQs are obviously below yours.

TAO11:

gregyboy:
I would have really love if Tao11 could prove the ife-benin connections right

That would be are greatest achievement, if she can do that i believe she wont be the only one sticking her head out in a benin yoruba debate all are brothers will accompany her

I was on my own when a Yoruba nigga tagged me, that Tao11 is crushing down benins on culture thread, with some funny exciting talks, for a moment it seems she was winning and when the benins were attacking back comes the banned

TAO11 go back to your usual oblivion and dig up information to prove the benin-ife connection right because the more you fail the more i gain grounds on my assertion

All benins should retreat now, am feeling pity for the yorubas, they never thought it would end like this

davidmarker2:
So what did we learn today:

who was the first ooni of ife to copy the word Oba into his title: adesoji aderemi.

He also created a beaded crown as a way to copy the Benin crown. (the fake crown in the picture below)

there is no such thing as Edo, igbo or yoruba etymology. Anybody using such as argument is either intellectually bankrupt either morally bankrupt, anyways his argument is trash

the yoruba have a habbit of copying other people's cultures:

a) they first copied the word "sir" which is a mark of british nobility: ooni of ife, sir adesoji.

b) after some time they changed that borrowed word for an other borrowed word "Oba" the title of the King of Benin: it then became "ooni of ife, oba adesoji"

c) adesoji also imitated the Benin crown

d) the current crown worn by the ooni of ife is an imitation of a statue which was found in ife

e) the current dress of the ooni of ife is an imitation of the royal uniform of the king of the Ashanti

4) Benin has a true history, ife has fairytales.
5) benin has architecture, ...

6) Benin actually fought a war against britain, ife once again has fairytales of great warriors

7) Benin city got burnt into ashes, ife didn't yet no architecture, nothing to show in ife.
8 ) at this point it feels like a big insult to even dare pronounce benin and ife in the same sentence in anybody's dream.
indeed, ife remains a village, a make-belief rubbish elevated by the invaders becuase the ooni of ife was a backstabbing traitor to the cause the black race. The ooni of ife served the british instead of fighting the british, coward if you ask me.Sayonara

ife has fairytales of rambo/oduduwa dropping from the sky in egypt strait into ife with a golden parachute/chain.

TAO11:
The videos have been debunked here, btw!

https://www.nairaland.com/6234931/why-ikwerres-not-igbo-logic/25#96567759

+ The present Benin palace was built much recently — hence it used to be a ragtag shrine.

So much for Benin logic.

TAO11:
BTW, the above videos have been debunked at the following link:

https://www.nairaland.com/6234931/why-ikwerres-not-igbo-logic/25#96567759

+ The present Benin palace was built much recently — hence it used to be a ragtag shrine.

Should one really expect much from a heartbroken Bini bald head ??

Nope! Peddling lies is what Binis do best, and that is apparent from all of their posts — which unfortunately have all been debunked on this thread.

I’m super glad that everyone can now see through their falsehood and desperation.

In summary: The word “Oba” has its root in the Yoruba language as has been demonstrated from a Bini dictionary.

[s]No other Edoid people use the term, despite the Binis expedition in their territory[/s]

The reason is simple: Of all Edoid groups, only the Binis have dynastic succession from the Yorubas.

[b]QED!

davidmarker:
1) Benin city was burnt to ashes by the british, that included the palace of the Oba of Benin which was looted and set ablaze and totally destroyed by the british military upon their victory against the Benin army.

That is why a new palace was built by Oba Eweka II

2) ife was not destroyed nor burnt nor looted because the ife people and their ooni didn't put up any fight against the british, rather ife people served the british as soon as they met the british. Yet the current palace of the ooni of ife was built in 1932. A palace which was not destroyed, not burnt down, not looted, yet it was deemed by its main occupant as too backward ...leading to him building what they have in ife today.

3) Now how does a normal human being compare both cases and concludes it is the same ?
I don't know, yoruba trolls don't follow logics.
The fact is the ooni of ife's palace was a shit hole shrine before he built a new palace in 1932.

gregyboy:



Are you aware esan bear names like obazee

Are you also aware edo tribe are offshoot of benin, so why are you sounding retarded and exhausted


According to the false myth, after the ogiso dynasty came oba dynasty from ife, it was during the oba dynasty that esan migrated at of benin and other edo tribes were sprung, so this means if we are to go with the fakse myth all edo tribe should be aware of the title oba


The screenshot is an urhobo name having oba


https://maternitynest.com/nigerian-baby-names-urhobo-names-boys/


Nextlife if you here gregyboy you go move


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gregyboy:



Are you aware esan bear names like obazee

Are you also aware edo tribe are offshoot of benin, so why are you sounding retarded and exhausted


According to the false myth, after the ogiso dynasty came oba dynasty from ife, it was during the oba dynasty that esan migrated at of benin and other edo tribes were sprung, so this means if we are to go with the fakse myth all edo tribe should be aware of the title oba


The screenshot is an urhobo name having oba


https://maternitynest.com/nigerian-baby-names-urhobo-names-boys/


Nextlife if you here gregyboy you go move


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gregyboy:



Are you aware esan bear names like obazee

Are you also aware edo tribe are offshoot of benin, so why are you sounding retarded and exhausted


According to the false myth, after the ogiso dynasty came oba dynasty from ife, it was during the oba dynasty that esan migrated at of benin and other edo tribes were sprung, so this means if we are to go with the fakse myth all edo tribe should be aware of the title oba


The screenshot is an urhobo name having oba


https://maternitynest.com/nigerian-baby-names-urhobo-names-boys/


Nextlife if you here gregyboy you go move


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gregyboy:



Are you aware esan bear names like obazee

Are you also aware edo tribe are offshoot of benin, so why are you sounding retarded and exhausted


According to the false myth, after the ogiso dynasty came oba dynasty from ife, it was during the oba dynasty that esan migrated at of benin and other edo tribes were sprung, so this means if we are to go with the fakse myth all edo tribe should be aware of the title oba


The screenshot is an urhobo name having oba


https://maternitynest.com/nigerian-baby-names-urhobo-names-boys/


Nextlife if you here gregyboy you go move


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samuk:


Agbor people of Delta state bears Obaze.

Since Yoruba centered their relationship with Benin around Ife, most part of our debate should be centred around Benin/Ife relationship because most other parts of Yoruba were under Benin colonial rule.

Let's the true Ife people come out to defend the Benin/Ife relationship, not descendants of former Benin colonial subjects or descendants of slaves that were returned back to Nigeria by the white man.

You will hardly find an Ife indigine on these thread because the Ife they are defending here was created on paper and have nothing to do with reality.

TAO11:
So far in the course of this thread, the following retar.ded claims have been devastatingly debunked:

(1) The retar.ded claim (by disgruntled Binis) that Yorubas began using the word “Oba” in the post-1930s.

This has been debunked with written evidence of Yoruba usage from 1899, from 1897, from c.1867, from 1845, et al.

(2) The retar.ded claim (by @samuk) that there exists some “600 years” old written evidence of Benin usage of the word “Oba”.

This retar.ded claim is yet to be substantiated (even with an atom of evidence) despite more than 10 days (and still counting) of their torturous search.

Instead, these disgruntled Binis were at best only able to demonstrate (from their own warped logic) that the Yorubas have an earlier written evidence — 1845 (Yoruba) Vs. 1867 (Bini).

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But what does it really mean that I was able to produce an 1845 written evidence and the Binis weren’t able to come even close to that ??

Well, it just simply means that the Binis weren’t able to come close to the Yorubas, despite their own bogus claim of wRiTteN eViDeNcE. Nothing more, nothing less! [I know I’m being too nice now].

To put the same question in other words:
Does the comparative written evidence already provided really mean that the Binis began using this word only in the year 1867 — because that’s all they could provide ??

Funny enough, this line of warped reasoning is what the disgruntled Binis have been trailing. Should I play their game along with them? No, I’m Yoruba!

To every sound and logically mind, such conclusion (based on available writing) is too obvious as a flawed reasoning and logical fallacy — even though I could have forced their own flawed reasoning down their throats.

Such particular logical fallacy is know in analytical logic specifically by the name: argumentum ex silentio.

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Having debunked their deluded claim of 1930s [see (1)]; having exposed @samuk’s fraud of “600 years” old writing [see (2)]; having exposed their inability to produce anything close to (let alone earlier than) the Yorubas’ [see (2)]; having debunked their warped logic of arguing from earlier written usage (despite the fact that it favours me); I now turn, at this point, to discussing the actual objective evidence for determining the indigenous ownership of a word — that is, the linguistic evidence.

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The Argument:
(I) If a word is in use in a particular language, but its literal meaning can not be meaningfully analyzed within that language; then such word does not originally belong to that language. Gbam!

(II) The word “Ọba” (as used by the Binis for their monarch) does not have any literal meaning in the language of the Binis.

(III) In conclusion, the word “Ọba” (as used by the Binis for their monarch) does not belong originally to the Bini language — In other words, it is a loanword.

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The Evidence:
An objective source of evidence for the meanings of Bini words is obviously and undoubtedly an authoritative dictionary of the Bini language itself.

[This is not to be confused with a dictionary of the English language which simply features a paltry number of non-English words of widespread, global, popular usage — such as: “fufu”, “agbada”, “oba”, et al.]

As such, recourse will now be made to a Bini-English Lexicon. This is so that the English readers here can access the written meanings which are attributed to the actual Bini words.

One such example of an authoritative material for this purpose is the work entitled: “A Concise Dictionary of The Bini Language of Southern Nigeria” compiled by the professor of African Phonetics and Linguistics, Hans Melzian.

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Under the entry “Ọba” (for which Professor Melzian used “ɔ” to represent “ọ“, in order to distinguish /o/ as in odd from /o/ as in old ); the following are some interesting observations from this Bini dictionary.

(A) Unlike what the author did with virtually all other Bini words within the same dictionary, he did not give a literal meaning to this word — as I have expected.

Rather, he simply describes the person whom the Binis refer to by this word. Interesting, isn’t it?! See embedded image below:

www.nairaland.com/attachments/12754901_bb7fcaad09fc479498aedbb24cb57370_jpeg_jpeg80dbd02cb7ce1db81e998db7e161c38e

(B) But more than that, the author (in fact) let the cat out of the bag. He revealed why this word could not have had a literal meaning in a dictionary of Bini language.

Before I reveal his reason, it is important that one is acquainted with a few notations and abbreviations which he define in his work.

Two examples of these are relevant to my discourse here, and they are: “Yor.” and “cf.” which he defines as: “Yoruba” and “etymological reference” respectively.

See embedded image below:

www.nairaland.com/attachments/12754902_541f22648c37485488282bea682c0e27_jpeg_jpegf272ec9b7e8de333789df15c524980aa

In the light of this background, let’s then see what reason the author indicates as to why this word could have appeared without a literal meaning in the Bini dictionary.

See embedded image below as highlighted on the top-right corner in continuation of the bottom-left corner.

www.nairaland.com/attachments/12754903_7e31a3d03b7c407ab60e863fbf8fb4c2_jpeg_jpegfba5de93eebde69a9ef00beabf7a605c

In the light of his foregoing definition of abbreviations, what we have here in the phrase “cf. Yor. ɔba” then becomes extremely clear and straightforward.

In other words, the word “Ọba” [ɔba] (used by the Binis for their monarch) has its ”etymology” [cf.] (aka. ”origin”) in the Yoruba language [Yor.].

Quod Erat Demonstrandum!

gregyboy:
I would have really love if Tao11 could prove the ife-benin connections right

That would be are greatest achievement, if she can do that i believe she wont be the only one sticking her head out in a benin yoruba debate all are brothers will accompany her

I was on my own when a Yoruba nigga tagged me, that Tao11 is crushing down benins on culture thread, with some funny exciting talks, for a moment it seems she was winning and when the benins were attacking back comes the banned

TAO11 go back to your usual oblivion and dig up information to prove the benin-ife connection right because the more you fail the more i gain grounds on my assertion

All benins should retreat now, am feeling pity for the yorubas, they never thought it would end like this

Alba3:


You don't have to retreat! Fowl bum is exposed already after breeze!

Revisionary theory of lies of you guys can never stand facts which TAO11 is unleashing for posterity.

davidmarker:
1) how many ife people have the title ooni ?
Answer 1
2) how many oyo people have the title alafin ?
Answer 1
3) how many ijebu people have the title awujale ?
Answer 1
4) how many british people have the title queen ?
Answer 1

.....

How many Edo people have the title Oba ?
Answer 1.

In a kingdom, there can be only one king.
There will be many dukes, many chiefs, many repetetive titles, but the title of King is for only one person.

Aderemi adesoji copied the Oba title in the 1930's as a replacement for the word "sir".

all this is common sense, but when you have been telling lies for so many years, you start to no longer have common sense, that is what the yoruba trolls are going through.

Alba3:


Please, can you tell me a word for 'king' in Yoruba language? Since you don't seem to understand the difference between general word for king and individual king's title.

davidmarker:

Where do they train you guys to be so deluded ?
Non contempt with trying to rewrite history, you also want to rewrite the present.
Anybody with half a brain can see your trolls make zero sense.