Alba3:


You only mock yourself on online platform. Provide the noun and verb forms of the word 'Oba' as related to 'ruling' in Bini language and I will analyze it in Yoruba language as used from generation to generation before the existence of Bini people who were from diverse origins. You can also bring forward your god that was named just like Obatala thousands of years ago... or your king before Obalufe, Ọbàlùfọ̀n with the prefix Oba.

So what did we learn today:

1) who was the first ooni of ife to copy the word Oba into his title: adesoji aderemi.
He also created a beaded crown as a way to copy the benin crown. (the fake crown in the picture below)

2) there is no such thing as Edo, igbo or yoruba etymology. Anybody using such as argument is either intellectually bankrupt either morally bankrupt, anyways his argument is trash.

3) the yoruba have a habbit of copying other people's cultures:

a) they first copied the word "sir" which is a mark of british nobility: ooni of ife, sir adesoji.
b) after some time they changed that borrowed word for an other borrowed word "Oba" the title of the King of benin: it then became "ooni of ife, oba adesoji"
c) adesoji also imitated the benin crown
d) the current crown worn by the ooni of ife is an imitation of a statue which was found in ife
e) the current dress of the ooni of ife is an imitation of the royal uniform of the king of the ashanti.

4) Benin has a true history, ife has fairytales.
5) benin has architecture, ife has fairytales of rambo/oduduwa dropping from the sky in egypt strait into ife with a golden parachute/chain.
6) Benin actually fought a war against britain, ife once again has fairytales of great warriors
7) Benin city got burnt into ashes, ife didn't yet no architecture, nothing to show in ife.
8 ) at this point it feels like a big insult to even dare pronounce benin and ife in the same sentence in anybody's dream.
indeed, ife remains a village, a make-belief rubbish elevated by the invaders becuase the ooni of ife was a backstabbing traitor to the cause the black race. The ooni of ife served the british instead of fighting the british, coward if you ask me.

Alba3:

You can also bring forward your god that was named just like Obatala thousands of years ago...

So you were born thousands of years ago and witnessed the naming of "obatala" ?
Look, I have already proven my claims on this same forum.
you are only being deluded as the usual yoruba is when defending made up stories

davidmarker:

there is no such thing as "general word for king".
The title and the word for king are one and the same.
1)the ife word for king is "ooni"
2) the oyo word for king is "alafin"
...
the french word for king is "roi"
the british word for king is "king" (unless it is a woman then it is "queen" )

It is only you guys the yoruba reality challengers who create a universe with different rules than those of the rest of the world.
Once again, the ooni of ife who first copied the title Oba from Benin is adesoji aderemi. All the other copycat yoruba chiefs emulated him.

I don't know I'm engaging a baby... I asked you to say what Yorubas call 'king' as you call it enogie, ogie, Igbos call it Igwe or Eze; and in your your own mind, the Yorubas with their ancient culture/traditions and language, don't have a word for king. but they have the clause 'ti o BA lori ohun gbogbo' to oversee or reign over everything. You should also tell me the meanings of Obatala, Obaluaye, Obalufe, Ọbàlùfọ̀n, these are Yoruba's ancient names.

All of you need to go back to linguistic class. Tell me what's 'shine' got to do with 'reign'

Alba3:
or your king before Obalufe, Ọbàlùfọ̀n with the prefix Oba.

As usual, when cornered by logics, the yoruba falls back to fairytails.

davidmarker:

So you were born thousands of years ago and witnessed the naming of "obatala" ?
Look, I have already proven my claims on this same forum.
you are only being deluded as the usual yoruba is when defending made up stories

Bini revisionist has nothing to offer but insults.

Engage me when you're ready to provide answer to my question, boy. What's king in Yoruba language and Bini?

Alba3:


I don't know I'm engaging a baby... I asked you to say what Yorubas call 'king' as you call it enogie, ogie, Igbos call it Igwe or Eze; and in your your own mind, the Yorubas with their ancient culture/traditions and language, don't have a word for king. but they have the clause 'ti o BA lori ohun gbogbo' to oversee or reign over everything. You should also tell me the meanings of Obatala, Obaluaye, Obalufe, Ọbàlùfọ̀n, these are Yoruba's ancient names.

All of you need to go back to linguistic class. Tell me what's 'shine' got to do with 'reigh'

1) Onojie, Enogie ... are the titles of dukes. Benin Kingdom has only one king like all real kingdoms.
2) it is only make-belief kingdoms like yoruba which have several kings.

davidmarker:

there is no such thing as "general word for king".
The title and the word for king are one and the same.
1)the ife word for king is "ooni"
2) the oyo word for king is "alafin"
...
the french word for king is "roi"
the british word for king is "king" (unless it is a woman then it is "queen" )

It is only you guys the yoruba reality challengers who create a universe with different rules than those of the rest of the world.
Once again, the ooni of ife who first copied the title Oba from Benin is adesoji aderemi. All the other copycat yoruba chiefs emulated him.

3) yoruba was created in 1808

Alba3:


All of you need to go back to linguistic class. Tell me what's 'shine' got to do with 'reigh'

?? As I said, you guys don't even try to make sense.

samuk:


[s]Agbor people of Delta state bears Obaze.

Since Yoruba centered their relationship with Benin around Ife, most part of our debate should be centred around Benin/Ife relationship because most other parts of Yoruba were under Benin colonial rule.

Let's the true Ife people come out to defend the Benin/Ife relationship, not descendants of former Benin colonial subjects or descendants of slaves that were returned back to Nigeria by the white man.

You will hardly find an Ife indigine on these thread because the Ife they are defending here was created on paper and have nothing to do with reality.[/s]

Revisionist, he wrote Obazee not Obaze.

Obaze Is a general Igbo name that is answered UpTo Anambra state..and has nothing to do with Bini, infact it is an igbo word...

Abeg face what is facing you..

nairaland, where logics are not allowed. Guys ignore the attention seeking troll above.

davidmarker:


1) Onojie, Enogie ... are the titles of dukes. Benin Kingdom has only one king like all real kingdoms.
2) it is only make-belief kingdoms like yoruba which have several kings.

3) yoruba was created in 1808

Your Bini is being ruled by Yoruba prince from Ìfẹ. Go and ask your present Oba.

You want Yorubas to be rule by one king just like small 3 local government areas Bini?
You don't even know what you're comparing yourselves with?

I've heard your repeated revisions and lies over and over again, it will change nothing; these are not the kind of lies that people would end up accept after being repeated multiple times; yours are so shallow!

I already told you to engage me when you are ready to provide answer to my question.

Since you understand Yoruba language more than the Yorubas themselves.

What's the Yoruba word for king?

Alba3:


What's the Yoruba word for king?

The yoruba general word for king is : el bastardo
Happy now ?

davidmarker:


1) Onojie, Enogie ... are the titles of dukes. Benin Kingdom has only one king like all real kingdoms.
2) it is only make-belief kingdoms like yoruba which have several kings.

3) yoruba was created in 1808

After the creation of Yoruba by the white man in 1808, a library of the new Yoruba words and bible was also created. They begin to write myths as their history. A mythical medieval Ife was created to accommodate the newly created Yoruba people, Ooni was elevated through Oduduwa myths to become the spiritual head of the Yoruba people. But this didn't last long as the Sultan of Sokoto displaced the Ooni to become the spiritual head of more than half Yoruba people including their Obas who are muslims.

The speed at which the Sultan of Sokoto displaced the Ooni to become the spiritual head of most Yoruba people and their obas buttresses the fact that the creation of Ife and the elevation of Ooni had no solid historical backing, this is why it crumbled within a century compared to Benin where the Oba still remains the spiritual head to all his people despite suffering a crushing defeat by the British over a century ago.

The fact the Oba of Benin still reigns supreme amongst his people, being both the spiritual and cultural embodiment of the Benin/Edo people is because Benin history is real and wasn't a political creation on paper like Ooni and Ife.

Juliusmalema:



Revisionist, he wrote Obazee not Obaze.

Obaze Is a general Igbo name that is answered UpTo Anambra state..and has nothing to do with Bini, infact it is an igbo word...

Abeg face what is facing you..

You ask that we should leave Igbo out of the debate but you couldn't resist coming back. Agbor, Asaba to part of Anambra were established by Benin people.

samuk:


After the creation of Yoruba by the white man in 1808, a library of the new Yoruba words and bible was also created. They begin to write myths as their history. A mythical medieval Ife was created to accommodate the newly created Yoruba people, Ooni was elevated through Oduduwa myths to become the spiritual head of the Yoruba people. But this didn't last long as the Sultan of Sokoto displaced the Ooni to become the spiritual head of more than half Yoruba people including their Obas who are muslims.

The speed at which the Sultan of Sokoto displaced the Ooni to become the spiritual head of most Yoruba people and their obas buttresses the fact that the creation of Ife and the elevation of Ooni had no solid historical backing, this is why it crumbled within a century compared to Benin where the Oba still remains the spiritual head to all his people despite suffering a crushing defeat by the British over a century ago.

The fact the Oba of Benin still reigns supreme amongst his people, being both the spiritual a d cultural embodiment of the Benin/Edo people is because Benin history is real and wasn't a political creation on paper life Ooni and Ife.

Your Bini was one of zones of British created unfortunately majority of you didn't fix in except your ruling class who shared blood with Ìfẹ.

Thank God, I've been able to bring you back here after TAO11's hammering with facts.

samuk:


You ask that we should leave Igbo out of the debate but you couldn't resist coming back. Agbor, Asaba to part of Anambra were established by Benin people.

Established Indeed.

You established them and fall back immediately to 5 local government areas. and encouraging yourself with fairy tales.

I corrected your revisionist theory...Obaze is an Igbo name and has nothing to do with Bini.

If you left igbo out then why smuggling igbo name to your submission...that's what I corrected.

We must never allow any fictitious Bini -Igbo historical fabrications to breathe.

Mbanu..

Etinosa1234:

Also to add..

Etsako - Obano - its the king that they ask

Its because we don't have equal disposal of info... Those books that she enjoys quoting, if we do it back for, she fit not sleep well...

She knows abt Benin greatness that's why she goes all out to find a way to rub sand on it...

Don't u see how this thread gives her more joy than in real life

One third of all of ladies never get orgasm. Perhaps she's one of the one-third and imagining things with Edo boys here on Nairaland is her only secret orgasm drug. Especially with the cross dressing.
Gregyboy you are making someone wet with reckless abandon.

AreaFada2:

One third of all of ladies never get orgasm. Perhaps she's one of the one-third and imagining things with Edo boys here on Nairaland is her only secret orgasm drug. Especially with the cross dressing.
Gregyboy you are making someone wet with reckless abandon.

Its because they are engaging her... Let it stop and watch her fall into depression

samuk:


Agbor people of Delta state bears Obaze.

Since Yoruba centered their relationship with Benin around Ife, most part of our debate should be centred around Benin/Ife relationship because most other parts of Yoruba were under Benin colonial rule.

Let's the true Ife people come out to defend the Benin/Ife relationship, not descendants of former Benin colonial subjects or descendants of slaves that were returned back to Nigeria by the white man.

You will hardly find an Ife indigine on these thread because the Ife they are defending here was created on paper and have nothing to do with reality.

Modakeke people next door to Ife will tell you even better. It is among distant Yoruba desperately seeking connecting with ur-people of the area that created Ife as Yoruba home. Slave returnees largely. Proper Oyo people won't even buy into that nonsense.

It is the biggest coc,k and bull story so far.

Etinosa1234:


Its because they are engaging her... Let it stop and watch her fall into depression

Exactly. I stopped long ago.

Juliusmalema:



Established Indeed.

You established them and fall back immediately to 5 local government areas. and encouraging yourself with fairy tales.

I corrected your revisionist theory...Obaze is an Igbo name and has nothing to do with Bini.

If you left igbo out then why smuggling igbo name to your submission...that's what I corrected.

We must never allow any fictitious Bini -Igbo historical fabrications to breathe.

Mbanu..

Since there is obaze in Igbo... Can we now conclude that Igbo borrowed it from Benin... Whats the meaning sef

AreaFada2:

Exactly. I stopped long ago.

For someone to spend all her resources even travel abroad just to try to bring down another person history, it tells a lot...

I don't think she expended this kind of energy on Yoruba- Igbo, Yoruba -Nupe, Yoruba -Fulani... The only way she'll do so is if they had contact with Benin

Most Benin people and foreigners already know how great Benin kingdom was ...
The foreigners who saw our works marvelled,

Al-Jazeera compared our Benin to London as at then and said it was better than london , BBC did reports on our culture, the first foreigners (Ruy de Sequeira)known in Southern Nigeria came to Benin in 1472 during Ewuare, The Dutch came and were impressed

R.E. Bradbury researched our culture, Bondarenko spends time on our culture

We even had an embassy in Lisbon as at 15th century... It's only normal to have people jealous abt it. People are only jealous abt what they don't have.. so they'll either find away to trash it or associate with it...

Engaging with her was good tho... It made me know more abt my culture ... Prior to that , all I knew was the invasion and our works being stolen...
After ,then I found out that Benin had influence over present day Edo-delta states up to parts of Ondo, Lagos, Anambra, Kogi... It's normal to have people dedicate their entire life to trash it... Imagine, a whole minority tribe with such great history... Its enough to create jealousy Na..

The funny part is that due to the fact that she can access more info abt our culture due to where she stay, she will only tell us abt the part of our culture that favors her or deny vehemently abt the part that exalts Benin culture..... If we should get hold of the books she quotes at times, we'll see many things that praise the Benin culture

Having seen how great my culture is, I'm planning to visit the library in my area so that I can learn more abt my history...

Benin is so broad that it isn't covered by one historian......

Oba gha t'okpere

Juliusmalema:



Established Indeed.

You established them and fall back immediately to 5 local government areas. and encouraging yourself with fairy tales.

I corrected your revisionist theory...Obaze is an Igbo name and has nothing to do with Bini.

If you left igbo out then why smuggling igbo name to your submission...that's what I corrected.

We must never allow any fictitious Bini -Igbo historical fabrications to breathe.

Mbanu..

Obazee in Benin means the king chose...

What does it mean in Igbo... I've searched and no results since

Etinosa1234:


Since there is obaze in Igbo... Can we now conclude that Igbo borrowed it from Benin... Whats the meaning sef

Not at all and not borrowed from Bini.

Obaze is an igbo name...Oba-Eze...

So it has no link with Bini at all.

You guys enjoys fiction so much.

Etinosa1234:

Obazee in Benin means the king said...
What does it mean in Igbo... I've searched and no results since

It is Obaze In Igboland not Obazee.
And not same meaning and not related at all.

Etinosa1234:

Obazee in Benin means the king said...
What does it mean in Igbo... I've searched and no results since

Well it means... more like Kings Wealth,or should I say king of kings..

Alba3:


Your Bini was one of zones of British created unfortunately majority of you didn't fix in except your ruling class who shared blood with Ìfẹ.

Thank God, I've been able to bring you back here after TAO11's hammering with facts.

Can you use historical and archeological fact to prove benin monarch came from ife


Dont get me angry or else i would rubbish yoruba history if you keep talking talking without fact

Do you know what it took me to discover benin had no relationship with ife

And you're coming here to say rubbish when you're not even from ife

Nonsense
Youre talking about obatala and the other rubbish how does that prove ownership to a word, how. Do we know the obatala and co didnt come into being after the word oba entered Yorubaland

Stop talking nonsense tao11 is yet to ascertain benin-ife ties but you're here already claiming it

To crown it all you guys are not even from ife

And stop using oral account, which can be said to suite intensions

Etinosa1234:


Obazee in Benin means the king said...

What does it mean in Igbo... I've searched and no results since

Obazee means Oba chose,just like Osazee means God chose....

Juliusmalema:



Established Indeed.

You established them and fall back immediately to 5 local government areas. and encouraging yourself with fairy tales.

I corrected your revisionist theory...Obaze is an Igbo name and has nothing to do with Bini.

If you left igbo out then why smuggling igbo name to your submission...that's what I corrected.

We must never allow any fictitious Bini -Igbo historical fabrications to breathe.

Mbanu..

Obaze is what in igbo

RedboneSmith is from anioma he would give a better answer

shanga:


Obazee means Oba choses,just like Osazee means God chose....

I've modified it already thanks

Juliusmalema:



Well it means... more like Kings Wealth,or should I say king of kings..

But u know u are lieing...

Kings wealth in Igbo means eze akunuba

King of kings means eze ndi eze

So how did u guys come up with the word obaze...

Oba doesn't mean anything in ur language...

Tell me what it means

Juliusmalema:


Not at all and not borrowed from Bini.

Obaze is an igbo name...Oba-Eze...

So it has no link with Bini at all.

You guys enjoys fiction so much.

U need to learn how to argue with facts... U argue like someone who's abt to cry...

Pls what's the meaning of oba in Igbo...

Don't tell me it was a corrupted word...

If u say so... U are lieing

Etinosa1234:


I've modified it already thanks

Na Man you b Etin....LGA