benji93:
@LostMyZeal come closer make i tell you something. . You can definitely suggest a coach that is good enough to replace Ole. I'll even take Nagielssman, he's not been around for a long time. But bringing up Pochetinno as a suitable replacement makes me doubt your winning mentality. . We don't want no serial loser, friend. We can do better.

Pochettino is not a serial loser and he is a fantastic manager.

LostMyZeal:


I guess you're talking of the psg comeback

Well...as odd as it might sound.....I left where I was watching it that night in annoyance


I even made a post on this thread condemning Rashford Martial and Pogba
I don't eph with emotions

Oga which club you dey support

Guys abeg this guy na troll

My last ever reply to you

Fvck off bro

PS : martial didn't play the game so you definitely didn't watch it.

timay:


As I check the league table yesterday too, me self shock lol

We has hope

See, me dey support cos i am team Ibile, but well if Ibile proves incompetent, you can't help but look outside. I am off the wagon. Moka ọwọ lẹ rọ mo n wo. .I leave him to his fate. What i won't accept is for someone to be so hateful that he would rather another team wins the premier league than Manchester United as long as Ole is in charge.

adebayo201:


I no like Amaka and I no too hate am...


But that guy really want to do gbajue for us and we sabi book small.

Fantastic manager and serial winner ki you there. You definitely began supporting manchester united in 2014.

spillo1:

Pochettino is not a serial loser and he is a fantastic manager.

benji93:
See, me dey support cos i am team Ibile, but well if Ibile proves incompetent, you can't help but look outside. I am off the wagon. Moka ọwọ lẹ rọ mo n wo. .I leave him to his faith. What i won't accept is for someone to be hateful that he would rather another team win the premier league than Manchester United as long as Ole is in charge.

That guy na troll

Im no dey watch our matches sef na livescores im dey check

benji93:
Fantastic manager and serial winner ki you there. You definitely began supporting manchester united in 2014.

LMFAO

Rodgers the emperor of bottlers. Ole dey learn where this man dey. . Can he ever help himself?

LostMyZeal:
Yeah right

U beat a team without their 2 key players and then u behave like this

Hope y'all can see what MUFC has been reduced to

God Forbid this mediocrity

Chai dis one enter ooh...

Oasis007:


Form is on sale NOW!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wyb0NKSiONY

Does dis dude have the temperament and self determination to succeed here, we have seen in recent years that talent alone isn't enough. That said, i can't wait to see him play for us....

Google dey show say the Leicester match dey live. Abi referee still dey do penalty check ni? .

Who saw that move from grealish.

Mehn that boy did doz guys dirty..

See move.. Lol.



I seriously prefer this dude to sancho

P. S its not the goal.. He did a roulette that killed off 2 players..

in case anyone is interested...cavani case is not same at all with Suarez evra incident.

THE FOOTBALL ASSOCIATION
and
LUIS SUAREZ
5. The FA's case, in short, was as follows. In the goalmouth,
Mr Evra and Mr Suarez spoke to each other in Spanish. Mr
Evra asked Mr Suarez why he had kicked him , referring to the
foul five minutes previously. Mr Suarez replied "Porque tu eres
negro", meaning "Because you are black". Mr Evra then said to
Mr Suarez “say it to me again, I’m going to punch you”. Mr
Suarez replied "No hablo con los negros", meaning "I don't
speak to blacks". Mr Evra continued by saying that he now
thought he was going to punch Mr Suarez. Mr Suarez replied
"Dale, negro, negro, negro", which meant "okay, blackie,
blackie, blackie". As Mr Suarez said this, he reached out to
touch Mr Evra's arm, gesturing at his skin. Mr Kuyt then
intervened. When the referee blew his whistle and called the
players over to him shortly after the exchanges in the
goalmouth, Mr Evra said to the referee "ref, ref, he just called
me a fecking black"
6. Mr Suarez denied the Charge . His case, in short, was as
follows. He agreed with Mr Evra that they spoke to each other
in Spanish in the goalmouth. When Mr Evra asked why he had
kicked him, Mr Suarez replied that it was a normal foul and
shrugged his shoulders. Mr Evra then said that he was going to
kick Mr Suarez, to which Mr Suarez told him to shut up. As Mr
Kuyt was approaching, Mr Suarez touched Mr Evra's left arm in
a pinching style movement. According to Mr Suarez, at no
point in the goalmouth did he use the word "negro". When the
referee blew his whistle to stop play, Mr Evra spoke to Mr
Suarez and said (in English) "Don't touch me, South
American". Mr Suarez replied "Por que, negro?". He says that
he used the word “negro” in a way with which he was familiar
from his upbringing in Uruguay. In this sense, Mr Suarez
claimed, it is used as a noun and as a friendly form of address
to people seen as black or brown-skinned (or even just black-
haired). Thus, it meant "Why, black?" Mr Suarez maintained
that when he said "Por que, negro?" to Mr Evra, it was
intended in a conciliatory and friendly way. Mr Suarez said this
was the only time that he used the word “negro” in his
exchanges with Mr Evra during the match.
87. Mr Evra and Mr Suarez are agreed that they spoke to each
other in Spanish in the goalmouth . Mr Evra said that he is not
exactly fluent in Spanish but that he can easily converse in
Spanish. For Mr Suarez, Spanish is his native language as a
Uruguayan. Mr Evra told us that he began the conversation by
saying "Concha de tu hermana". Mr Evra's evidence was that
this is a phrase used in Spanish like when you say "fecking
hell" in English, but the literal translation is "your sister's
pussy". Mr Suarez did not hear Mr Evra say this. One of the
video clips that we have seen, taken from a close up angle
behind the goal, does appear to support Mr Evra's evidence
that he started the conversation with this comment.
90. Mr Evra's evidence was that, in response to his question
"Why did you kick me?", Mr Suarez replied "Porque tu eres
negro". Mr Evra said that at the time Mr Suarez made that
comment, he (Mr Evra) understood it to mean "Because you
are a nigger". He now says that he believes the words used by
Mr Suarez mean "Because you are black". We shall consider
further below Mr Evra's understanding of the Spanish word
"negro".
91. Mr Suarez said that he replied to Mr Evra's question "Why
did you kick me?" by saying "que habia sido una falta
normal", meaning "it was just a normal foul". He said he
shrugged his shoulders and put his arms out in a gesture to
say that there was nothing serious about it. At this point on
the video footage, Mr Suarez's face is obscured, but he does
appear to shrug his shoulders.
92. Mr Evra said that he followed up Mr Suarez's reply
"Because you are black" by saying "Habla otra vez asi, te voy a
dar una porrada", which means "Say it to me again, I'm going
to punch you". Mr Suarez replied by saying "No hablo con los
negros" . Mr Evra said that, at the time, he understood this to
mean "I don't speak to niggers", although he now says it
means "I don't speak to blacks".
93. Mr Suarez's evidence was that Mr Evra replied to the
comment "it was just a normal foul" by saying "Ok, you kicked
me, I'm going to kick you" . Mr Suarez said in his witness
statement that his response was "Le dije que se callara e hice
un gesto breve con mi mano izquierda parecido a la mocion
de un "pato cuando hace cuac" para indicarle que hablaba
mucho y deberia callarse", which was translated as "I told him
to shut up and made a brief gesture with my left hand like a
"quacking" motion as if to say he was talking too much and
should be quiet".
94. Mr Evra said that after Mr Suarez said "I don't speak to
blacks", he (Mr Evra) said "Ahora te voy a dar realmente una
porrada", which means "Okay, now I think I'm going to punch
you". To this he says that Mr Suarez replied "Dale,
negro...negro...negro" . At the time, Mr Evra understood this
to mean "Okay, nigger, nigger, nigger". He now says it means
"Okay, blackie, blackie, blackie". The expert witnesses stated
that the phrase "Dale, negro" can be understood as "Bring it
on, blackie" or "do it, blackie" or "go ahead, blackie" .
97. Mr Suarez said that at no point did he use the word
"negro" during the exchange with Mr Evra in the goalmouth.
103. Mr Evra's evidence was that while he was walking
towards the referee he said "ref, ref, he just called me a
fecking black". He said that he did not know whether the
referee heard his comment. The referee said something like
"Calm down, Patrice, the game has been brilliant, stop the
pushing between you and Suarez, the game is going well."
104. Mr Suarez's evidence was that simultaneously with the
blowing of the whistle, Mr Evra said to him "Don't touch me,
South American". Mr Suarez took this to be a reference to his
touching Mr Evra's arm on the goal-line a few moments earlier.
Mr Suarez said that he turned to Mr Evra and said "Por que,
negro?". He said that he used the word "negro" at this point in
the way that he did when he was growing up in Uruguay, that
is as a friendly form of address to people seen as black or
brown-skinned or even just black-haired. He said that he used
it in the same way that he did when he spoke to Glen Johnson,
the black Liverpool player. He said in no way was the use of
the word "negro" intended to be offensive or to be racially
offensive. It was intended as an attempt at conciliation.
167. According to the experts, the Spanish word "negro"
cannot simply be translated as "nigger" . Whereas "nigger"
refers exclusively to a person with dark skin, "negro" can be
used both as a noun ("a black" and as an adjective; as an
adjective it might be used to refer to a person ("un hombre
negro" [a black man]) but equally to an object ("una caja
negra" [a black box]).
168. It is important to grasp that the word "negro" is
ambiguous in all countries and regions of Latin America.
170. The word "negro" can have pejorative connotations, as it
may be associated with low class status, ugliness, vulgar
behaviour, noisiness, violence, dishonesty, sexual promiscuity
etc. In the River Plate region, for example, "los negros" is
sometimes employed as a general term for the lower classes
and especially for lower-class people whose behaviour is
deemed vulgar and not "respectable".
171. Thus, the word can be employed with the intent to offend
and to offend in racial terms; often the word would be
appended with further insult, as in the example "negro de
mierda" [shitty black].
172. The word "negro" is by no means, however, always used
offensively. The term can also be used as a friendly form of
address to someone seen as somewhat brown-skinned or
even just black-haired. It may be used affectionately between
man and wife, or girlfriend/boyfriend, it may be used as a
nickname in everyday speech, it may be used to identify in
neutral and descriptive fashion someone of dark skin; several
famous people in Uruguay are known as "el negro/la negra
such-and-such".
173. "Negro" can be used in the same way that other words
referring to physical characteristics are used as descriptors for
particular individuals, eg "el flaco" [the thin one/beanpole] or
"el gordo" [the fat one/fatso]; these words can also be used
without the article, eg "hola, gordo" [hi, fatso] or "chau,
flaco" [bye, beanpole]; thus, a group of friends waiting for
another friend might exclaim "mira, ahi viene el negro" [look,
here comes the black one/blackie].
174. In Latin America, other terms may be used in ways that
sound odd to a European ear. In Colombia, the word
"mono" (literally, "monkey" is used to address light-skinned
people or people whose hair is lighter than pure black. In
Mexico, the word "güero" is used to address blond or light-
haired people. In many areas, the word "moreno" [brown] may
be used as a term of address in similar ways to "negro".
175. Though these terms are often used between friends or
relatives, they are not used exclusively so; thus, an individual
might call out to a passer-by "ay, negro, querés jugar con
nosotros?" [hey, blackie, do you want to play with us?]; in all
cases, however, when the word is used in this way it implies a
sense of rapport or the attempt to create such rapport;
naturally, if the term were used with a sneer, then it might
carry some of the negative connotations referred to above .
179. Assuming Mr Suarez responded with "Porque tu eres
negro", this would be interpreted in Uruguay and other regions
of Latin America as racially offensive. When the noun is used
in the way described by Mr Evra, it is not a friendly form of
address, but is used in an insulting way: it is given as the
rationale for an act of physical aggression (the foul), as if the
person deserved such an attack since they are black. The term
is not being used as in paragraphs 172 and 173 above, but in
the sense of paragraph 171.
183. The sentence attributed to Mr Suarez, "No hablo con los
negros", falls into the same category of racist usage. It
assumes that the individual did not merit being talked to as he
belongs to a whole category of people classed as black.
Again, the term is not being used as in paragraphs 172 and
173 above, but in the sense of paragraph 171.
184. The expression "dale, negro" can be understood as "bring
it on, blackie" or "do it, blackie" or "go ahead, blackie". (These
all correspond to the French expression "vas-y", which Mr Evra
said he understood by the phrase.) In the context of the
previous usages of "negro" and "negros", this usage would
retain its provocative and offensive connotations , even
though, in a different context, the phrase "dale, negro" could
easily be inoffensive.
195. We have set out the expert evidence at length because
we consider that it provides helpful background to the issues
which we have to resolve. In particular, it provides valuable
insight into, amongst other things, the different ways in which
the word "negro" might be used in Uruguay.
201. Secondly, use of the word "negro" can be seen as
offensive or inoffensive in Uruguay and Latin America. It
appears to depend, largely, on the context. It might be seen
by some as inoffensive when used to address relatives,
friends or passers-by. However, we note the experts'
comment that in all cases when the word is used in this way it
implies a sense of rapport or the attempt to create such
rapport; naturally, if the term were used with a sneer, then it
might carry negative connotations. It is important to examine
closely the context in which it is used, and the way in which it
is used, in order to decide whether it is being used offensively
and offensively in racial terms.
202. Thirdly, the experts' confine their conclusions on Mr
Evra's and Mr Suarez's accounts to how the word would be
understood in Uruguay and Spanish-speaking America more
generally, They were right to do so, no doubt recognising that
whilst it is legitimate and helpful for the experts to give their
opinion on whether or not the word might be used to offend in
Uruguay and Latin America, it is the Commission's task to
decide whether the use of the word in England is abusive or
insulting. The use of the word in a particular way might be
seen as inoffensive by many in Uruguay. The same use of the
same word in England might nevertheless be abusive or
insulting .
262. What is more significant, in our judgment, is the
substance of Mr Suarez's evidence that his use of the word
"negro" with Mr Evra "was intended as an attempt at
conciliation" and "was meant in a conciliatory and friendly
way".
263. The whole episode in the match starting with Mr Suarez's
foul on Mr Evra in the 58th minute, and continuing with their
encounter in the penalty area in the 63rd to 65th minutes was
confrontational and hostile . In the goalmouth, Mr Evra fired
the first verbal assault and Mr Suarez responded in a hostile
fashion judged by his demeanour as shown on the video
footage and his pinching of Mr Evra's skin . When the referee
blew his whistle to stop play, it was less than 10 seconds after
the pinching in the goalmouth. This is when Mr Suarez claimed
to have used the word “negro” for the one and only time. The
players' demeanour, as shown in the video footage, showed
that the exchanges continued to be confrontational . This was
followed, after the referee had spoken to the players, by Mr
Suarez putting his hand on the back of Mr Evra's head in a way
which, in our judgment, was intended to aggravate Mr Evra .
264. The whole tenor of the players' exchanges during this
episode was one of animosity. They behaved in a
confrontational and argumentative way. This continued at all
times during their exchanges in the penalty area. Whilst Mr
Evra is partly to blame for starting the confrontation at that
moment, Mr Suarez's attitude and actions were the very
antithesis of the conciliation and friendliness that he would
have us believe .
266. In our judgment, Mr Suarez's use of the term was not
intended as an attempt at conciliation or to establish rapport;
neither was it meant in a conciliatory and friendly way . It was
not explained by any feeling on Mr Suarez’s part that a
linguistic or cultural relationship had been established between
them or that the context was one of informal social relations.
The video footage, when viewed in detail and when looked at
as a whole, shows that the players continued their animosity
throughout this incident. Their hostility is shown in their
actions and demeanour before, at the moment of, and after
Mr Suarez's admitted use of the word .
267. Once more, we were troubled by the fact that Mr Suarez
advanced this case to us and relied on it to the extent that he
did, when it was unsustainable. The suggestion that he
behaved towards Mr Evra at this time in a conciliatory and
friendly way, or intended to do so in using the word "negro", is,
in our judgment, simply not credible. His evidence is again
inconsistent with the video footage. Once again, there was no
satisfactory explanation for this inconsistency.
268. In contrast, Mr Evra’s evidence was not shown to be
inconsistent with the facts established by other evidence, such
as the video footage, in any material respect.
304. Mr Dalglish told the referee that Mr Suarez responded
with "you are black" having first been taunted with "you are
South American" . Mr Comolli is not recorded as using the
word "taunted", but said that Mr Evra said "you are South
American" to Mr Suarez who responded with "Tues negro"
which translates "you are Black". There is no suggestion here
that Mr Evra had said "Don't touch me", yet this seems now to
be an essential part of Mr Suarez's evidence. We were not
given any explanation as to why the referee was not told that
Mr Evra had said "Don't touch me, South American", as
opposed to "you are South American". Secondly, at least as
expressly reported by Mr Dalglish, Mr Suarez's remark was a
riposte to being taunted by Mr Evra. If that is correct, it would
suggest that Mr Dalglish understood Mr Suarez's comment to
be in the nature of retaliation for having been called "South
American". But that would suggest that the riposte "You are
black" was used in a derogatory sense, which is contrary to
Mr Suarez's case . In fact, Mr Suarez told us that he did not
consider being described as South American to be derogatory,
so it is difficult to understand why this was referred to as a
"taunt". (Dalgish the clown )
359. In our judgment, the occasion when Mr Suarez admitted
using the word "negro" probably occurred in this way. After the
referee had spoken to the players and told them to calm
down, Mr Suarez put his hand on the back of Mr Evra's head
as they walked away. This was designed to further aggravate
Mr Evra. The referee spoke to them again. Mr Evra said that he
did not want Mr Suarez to touch him. We bear in mind that Mr
Suarez said that he understood Mr Evra when he said in
English "Don't touch me". This is consistent with the fact that
Mr Evra spoke to the referee in English. It is probable that Mr
Suarez heard Mr Evra saying to the referee in English that he
did not want Mr Suarez to touch him. As they walked away
from the referee for this second time, Mr Evra probably said to
Mr Suarez again in English "Don't touch me" or words to that
effect, and Mr Suarez said "por que, negro?", meaning "why,
black".
392. In total, Mr Suarez used the word "negro" or "negros"
seven times in the penalty area. On each occasion, the words
were insulting. On each occasion, Mr Suarez breached Rule
E3(1). Accordingly, the Charge is proved.

benji93:
You don't always win comfortably no matter how great you are. Sometimes you win by the skin of your teeth. Of all this, what is sweeting me the most is that, sports prefect Ole constantly outdoes the coaches you guys claim are far better than him. . Bielsa is next.

As always, we vs them...

Mediocrity has finally crept in...Sutton without Ings and Redmond isn't quite the same team. Savour the win as we all should but don't even try to knock off their coach as he has done well...

If Ole is this inconsistent with our present crop of players, you wonder how bad his team will look if he managed Sutton

patrickmuf:
As always, we vs them...

Mediocrity has finally crept in...Sutton without Ings and Redmond isn't quite the same team. Savour the win as we all should but don't even try to knock off their coach as he has done well...

If Ole is this inconsistent with our present crop of players, you wonder how bad his team will look if he managed Sutton

Football isnt always this way man

KingAlabi:


Oga which club you dey support

Guys abeg this guy na troll

My last ever reply to you

Fvck off bro

PS : martial didn't play the game so you definitely didn't watch it.

Martial is always a suspect ....I condemn him wether he plays or not
I even condemned him and Pogba yesterday...so


And for the bolded... your reply is as inconsequential as the sh|t I just took

benji93:
@LostMyZeal come closer make i tell you something. . You can definitely suggest a coach that is good enough to replace Ole. I'll even take Nagielssman, he's not been around for a long time. But bringing up Pochetinno as a suitable replacement makes me doubt your winning mentality. . We don't want no serial loser, friend. We can do better.

Since we're all doing experiment....make we just hire Poch for short-term na


Shey what's good for the goose is good for the gander
Poch did a clean job at Tottenham

The coaches I'd like are
Martinez of Belgium (his Everton team played well then)
Ten haag of Ajax

KingAlabi:


Football isnt always this way man

Probability is taught for a reason...The chances of Ole failing with Sutton is high taking a cue from his time at Manchester United and Cardiff...If Manchester City plays against Burnley 10 times, City are most likely to win 7 - 8 times with a defeat or draw somewhere along the line...

LostMyZeal:



Since we're all doing experiment....make we just hire Poch for short-term na


Shey what's good for the goose is good for the gander
Poch did a clean job at Tottenham

The coaches I'd like are
Martinez of Belgium (his Everton team played well then)
Ten haag of Ajax

Abeg commot Martinez, that guy no sabi...

LostMyZeal:





Martial is always a suspect ....I condemn him wether he plays or not
I even condemned him and Pogba yesterday...so


And for the bolded... your reply is as inconsequential as the sh|t I just took

K

patrickmuf:
Probability is taught for a reason...The chances of Ole failing with Sutton is high taking a cue from his time at Manchester United and Cardiff...If Manchester City plays against Burnley 10 times, City are most likely to win 7 - 8 times with a defeat or draw somewhere along the line...

There is also a probability he would succeed with reference to what he did a molde, surprised you excluded that (excluded you are just talking premiere only, but also put into note that was oles first major managerial job)

If this United play against burnley out of 10 how many times do you think we would win?

KingAlabi:

K

After saying your last ever reply
Confused individual

C'mon you can do better... don't be fickle


Now you're released

KingAlabi:

There is also a probability he would succeed with reference to what he did a molde, surprised you excluded that (excluded you are just talking premiere only, but also put into note that was oles first major managerial job)

If this United play against burnley out of 10 how many times do you think we would win?

Molde?

Na wah o! Which kind mediocrity be this? Molde won't even win English League one...

KingAlabi:

There is also a probability he would succeed with reference to what he did a molde, surprised you excluded that (excluded you are just talking premiere only, but also put into note that was oles first major managerial job)

If this United play against burnley out of 10 how many times do you think we would win?

With our current form, we'll win 10.

So many guys here just want to see Ole fail at all cost.

Too bad!

patrickmuf:
As always, we vs them...

Mediocrity has finally crept in...Sutton without Ings and Redmond isn't quite the same team. Savour the win as we all should but don't even try to knock off their coach as he has done well...

If Ole is this inconsistent with our present crop of players, you wonder how bad his team will look if he managed Sutton

Not discounting your points. But it is Soton rather than Sutton. In fact there is Sutton United in Confrence Premier League

https://twitter.com/FernandesThings/status/1333478172948631569?s=19

This is Bruno calling on team mates to regroup immediately after cavani equalised vs Southampton.
Its not jyst about the passes, the goals, the assist or performance. Bruno brings incredible mentality through leadership to the team. That's why I dont really care about his in field game performance, he has moments of magic somewhere in him. He had a poor game last weekend by his standards but ended up having a hand in 2 of the 3 goals. Even the last goal he organised the team laid the pass for Rashford for his assist. Imagine if Klopp or Guardiola have somebody like this in their team.

The mad thing about Bruno is that, he is the leader, the best player, the top scorer, the most consistent and its not even close. Solskjaer doesn't just want to disgrace Maguire by striping him of the captain armband, even the players and the coaching crew recognise him as the captain

CapitalCee:
https://twitter.com/FernandesThings/status/1333478172948631569?s=19

This is Bruno calling on team mates to regroup immediately after cavani equalised vs Southampton.
Its not jyst about the passes, the goals, the assist or performance. Bruno brings incredible mentality through leadership to the team. That's why I dont really care about his in field game performance, he has moments of magic somewhere in him. He had a poor game last weekend by his standards but ended up having a hand in 2 of the 3 goals. Even the last goal he organised the team laid the pass for Rashford for his assist. Imagine if Klopp or Guardiola have somebody like this in their team.

The mad thing about Bruno is that, he is the leader, the best player, the top scorer, the most consistent and its not even close. Solskjaer doesn't just want to disgrace Maguire by striping him of the captain armband, even the players and the coaching crew recognise him as the captain

For christ sake there is always something to moan about from Ole haters. Does given the armband to Bruno make him more of a leader than he already is? What difference does it make if he has the capitancy or not? Only thing it will do is destroy Maguire confidence . Always moaning about irrelevant things.

CapitalCee:


Not discounting your points. But it is Soton rather than Sutton. In fact there is Sutton United in Confrence Premier League

Thank you bro.

You lack intelligence then you now compound it by lacking home training.

If you must be an olodo at least be one that is responsible and was well brought up.

afrodoc2:

You lack intelligence then you now compound it by lacking home training.

If you must be an olodo at least be one that is responsible and was well brought up.

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