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Re: Why Ikwerres Are Not Igbo - The Logic Behind It by AreaFada2: 9:08am On Dec 01, 2020 |
Balogunodua: Go back to my posts and see my arguments with SW people who claim to know it all before coming to Nairaland. We cannot be arguing from the beginning with everybody who can just recently afford data to browse. Learn from resources already here from us since almost a decade. Or pamphlet buying and sorting education didn't prepare you even for that bare minimum? 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Why Ikwerres Are Not Igbo - The Logic Behind It by samuk: 9:16am On Dec 01, 2020 |
RedboneSmith: Are any of your cited references earlier than Bishop Crowder's account? Anthropologists and echnologist don't work on nothing, they work on the information given to them or found on the ground at the time they start their work. The result of the work largely depends on who gave the information. These people starts from a base and expands their theories, it's like working from the answer. This is the reason early eyewitness accounts is very important. Even me reading early Europeans visitors account of Benin do sometimes find it difficult to reconcile it with modern reality because thing changes with time. Before the war, Ikwerre towns had Igbo names and everyone assumed they were Igbos, after Biafra lost, the names reverted back to Ikwerre names and they are telling everyone who cares to listen that they are not Igbo. Recent migrant to a place can displace old populations and change the demographic composition of the place beyond recognition. So early eyewitness reports are very important. You said yourself that there were displaced Igbos who moved to Asaba in the 1890. 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Why Ikwerres Are Not Igbo - The Logic Behind It by TAO11(f): 9:21am On Dec 01, 2020 |
They’ve started deleting my comments. No ban, No spambot issues, nothing — but boom, comment gets deleted. Wonderful! ![]() Not even the longer comments — a very short but killer summary one. Hahaha! I know who is behind it. One fear-fear insecure nincompoop. His greatest fears will soon come to life again! 4 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Why Ikwerres Are Not Igbo - The Logic Behind It by Nobody: 9:42am On Dec 01, 2020 |
samuk:You are talking to a slowpoke. Your arguments have proven your claim already. I think some of these guys might be mentally ill judging by their fanatical rejection of reality and their nonsensical statements. It seems they decide reality doesn't suit their dogma, therefor they change reality, instead of changing their dogma. |
Re: Why Ikwerres Are Not Igbo - The Logic Behind It by TAO11(f): 9:59am On Dec 01, 2020 |
samuk: ![]() ![]() ![]() Your funeral ceremony was witnessed on this thread by all southern Nigeria representatives present, yet you think living in denial would be effective as a coping mechanism. ![]() Well, if you insist that it helps you handle the disgrace, then who am I to stop you from enjoying the rest of your life in denial. ![]() www.nairaland.com/attachments/12764287_de9efd884dd04412b99c8d69ce358463_jpeg_jpeg391622a325de641aa1c52b75d1e20ac0 But in any case, here is a summary of what has went down for sane folks to find handy: (A) No Pre-1800 Ife/Benin Connection? — DEBUNKED: https://www.nairaland.com/6234931/why-ikwerres-not-igbo-logic/9#96323798 (B) Benin Owns Lagos? — DEBUNKED: https://www.nairaland.com/6286709/ijebu-vs-jebusite/1#96593783 (C) Yoruba Founded In 1808? — DEBUNKED https://www.nairaland.com/6234931/why-ikwerres-not-igbo-logic/25#96567759 (D)Benin Owns The Word “Oba”? — DEBUNKED https://www.nairaland.com/6234931/why-ikwerres-not-igbo-logic/15#96513655 Peace! 6 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Why Ikwerres Are Not Igbo - The Logic Behind It by TAO11(f): 10:28am On Dec 01, 2020 |
Balogunodua:That’s how delusions work. When they get flogged even in the presence of the whole world, you hear them declare themselves winner. Like Trump, like Binis! ![]() 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Why Ikwerres Are Not Igbo - The Logic Behind It by Nobody: 11:43am On Dec 01, 2020 |
RedboneSmith: This is now more like Echo. Sound sounder soundest..Lmao. 1 Like |
Re: Why Ikwerres Are Not Igbo - The Logic Behind It by Balogunodua(m): 3:41pm On Dec 01, 2020 |
AreaFada2:Just tell me the meaning of Oba in Edo language..simple and stop trying to dogde the Question oga.... ![]() 1 Like |
Re: Why Ikwerres Are Not Igbo - The Logic Behind It by Balogunodua(m): 3:43pm On Dec 01, 2020 |
TAO11:Their tactics won't work this time.... ![]() It's forbidden... ![]() ![]() 1 Like |
Re: Why Ikwerres Are Not Igbo - The Logic Behind It by TAO11(f): 3:49pm On Dec 01, 2020 |
Balogunodua:Yes, since the clownish tactics is failing Trump already, it must also fail his dullard students from Benin. ![]() 3 Likes 1 Share
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Re: Why Ikwerres Are Not Igbo - The Logic Behind It by TAO11(f): 3:50pm On Dec 01, 2020 |
Balogunodua:Very Simple Question. 2 Likes 1 Share
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Re: Why Ikwerres Are Not Igbo - The Logic Behind It by AreaFada2: 4:48pm On Dec 01, 2020 |
Balogunodua:If you cannot go back and look then you are not ready. Every idiot and his dog who follows my writing here should already know. No provocation will make me repeat myself a hundredth time of meaning of Oba. |
Re: Why Ikwerres Are Not Igbo - The Logic Behind It by TAO11(f): 4:59pm On Dec 01, 2020 |
@Balogunodua: I could have sworn that the number of words required to write out the meaning of “Oba” (from a Bini point of view) is far much less than the number of words used up in the foregoing rant above me. ![]() Don’t you agree? ![]() 5 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Why Ikwerres Are Not Igbo - The Logic Behind It by samuk: 5:58pm On Dec 01, 2020 |
AreaFada2: My brother, thanks to early Europeans, Benin history is well insulated from fabrications up till 1808 when Yoruba was created by the white man and their history started proper. Any part of Benin history earlier than 1800s cannot be touched or forged by those that fabricate history. Imagine if Benin history have no written eyewitness accounts, they would have told us it didn't exist. They would have shoved the Benin/Ife relationship lies down our throats. Thank God all their lies ends in the 1800s. Benin history from 1400s to 1799 are all protected and insulated from fabrications. I wonder how they feel when they wake up in the morning and realised that there is absolutely nothing they can do about it. 2 Likes |
Re: Why Ikwerres Are Not Igbo - The Logic Behind It by Balogunodua(m): 6:06pm On Dec 01, 2020 |
TAO11:Agreed100%....... ![]() ![]() 1 Like |
Re: Why Ikwerres Are Not Igbo - The Logic Behind It by Balogunodua(m): 6:09pm On Dec 01, 2020 |
AreaFada2: No insult Na... ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() 2 Likes |
Re: Why Ikwerres Are Not Igbo - The Logic Behind It by Balogunodua(m): 6:11pm On Dec 01, 2020 |
samuk:BeninRantHQ.... ![]() ![]() 1 Like
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Re: Why Ikwerres Are Not Igbo - The Logic Behind It by TAO11(f): 6:15pm On Dec 01, 2020 |
Balogunodua:Haha! ![]() I’m glad there are EuRoPeAn eYeWiTnEsS wRitTtEn accounts of Benin from the 1500s which confirm that the Benin king is a servant-king to an overlord whom the Binis call the Oghene n’Uhe. They wouldn’t have believed us if there was no such EuRoPeAn eYeWiTnEsS wRitTtEn account. ![]() ![]() I wonder how they feel waking up everyday to the realization that it’s too late to erase such EUrOpEaN eYeWiTnEsS wRiTtEn account. ![]() www.nairaland.com/attachments/12773225_bcc22ecea5f74b38bc534bfc73f2fa17_jpeg_jpegcf9cb4c0b8bcaf69db67a760d18f5fb5 E PAIN DEM DIE! ![]() 8 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Why Ikwerres Are Not Igbo - The Logic Behind It by Balogunodua(m): 6:28pm On Dec 01, 2020 |
TAO11:I tell u... ![]() ![]() ![]() 1 Like |
Re: Why Ikwerres Are Not Igbo - The Logic Behind It by babtoundey(m): 9:01pm On Dec 01, 2020 |
AreaFada2: Anku, it is a simple something to do now. Tell us what Oba means in Edo. You don't share that "it is shinning" and "it's red nonsense" with your brother. Tell us your own faction. we are all ears. 1 Like |
Re: Why Ikwerres Are Not Igbo - The Logic Behind It by AreaFada2: 9:03pm On Dec 01, 2020 |
babtoundey:And your obatala bullshit is worth a mouse droppings. |
Re: Why Ikwerres Are Not Igbo - The Logic Behind It by davidnazee: 9:53pm On Dec 01, 2020 |
babtoundey: Please does Alafin or Oni mean king or ruler? |
Re: Why Ikwerres Are Not Igbo - The Logic Behind It by TAO11(f): 9:55pm On Dec 01, 2020 |
AreaFada2:Nobody said “Oba” means “Obatala” ![]() ![]() As a Yoruba word, “Ọba” simply and literally means: “King”, “Monarch”, “Ruler”, “Ovelord”, etc. [We have Yoruba-English Lexicons to back that up]. What does “Ọba” mean literally if it is an Edo word? Also, be ready to produce your Bini-English Lexicon to back up whatever meaning you reply with. This is a very simple question which should require a very simple answer. Abi weytin you think @babtoundey? Cc: Oshiomole, Igbinedion, and ![]() 4 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Why Ikwerres Are Not Igbo - The Logic Behind It by TAO11(f): 9:56pm On Dec 01, 2020 |
davidnazee:This one is just waking up? ![]() ![]() Go and read from page 2, I’m sure before you get to page 20 you must be soaked already in a hot pool of tears. cc: babtoundey 3 Likes |
Re: Why Ikwerres Are Not Igbo - The Logic Behind It by AreaFada2: 10:18pm On Dec 01, 2020 |
TAO11:Whether it is Obatolotolo, Obaotutukpoyoyo or Obaguguru epa, it makes no difference to me. It is of no use. I don't care. It has no relevance in a million years because nothing you present has any meaning in Yoruba about King as Oba until Adesoji nicked it to try bask in Oba of Benin glory during colonial time. When he saw it was unique to Benin monarch. An ordinary person would be called a plagiarist or an imposter. ![]() ![]() ![]() I like the fact he admired Benin so much to copy Benin though. Nothing against admirers. But much against their descendants who try to steal what they borrowed generations earlier. 2 Likes |
Re: Why Ikwerres Are Not Igbo - The Logic Behind It by TAO11(f): 10:22pm On Dec 01, 2020 |
AreaFada2:The first lines sound like he was crying as he typed. Hahaha! ![]() This AreaDullard has started yarning pox as usual oo. ![]() Adeyemi Ko, Oriyomi ni. ![]() ![]() ![]() You think you’re among your fellow Edo dullards where you can tell a ridiculous lie and get rounds of applause. ![]() Oga Dullard, what is “Oba” in your Bini language. ![]() cc: babtoundey ———— And by the way as a Yoruba word, “Ọba” simply and literally means: “King”, “Monarch”, “Ruler”, “Ovelord”, etc. [We have Yoruba-English Lexicons to back that up in case you’re interested]. [s]I like the fact he admired Benin so much to copy Benin though. Nothing against admirers. But much against their descendants who try to steal what they borrowed generations earlier.[/s]What else must I do at this point than to laugh and rejoice at your illiteracy? Your foolish remark sounds like saying: English people borrowed the word “king” from Benin people. Hahaha! Anyways click the link below, read and gush out some more tears: https://www.nairaland.com/6234931/why-ikwerres-not-igbo-logic/15#96513655 5 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Why Ikwerres Are Not Igbo - The Logic Behind It by AreaFada2: 10:26pm On Dec 01, 2020 |
TAO11:Adeyemi, Adesoji, all na same. Why should I even know them? For being given knighthoods like British commoners for the arsekissing of colonisers or what? ![]() I have given you the precious attention you have been seeking from me for months now. Enjoy it and run along to your cross dressing. ![]() |
Re: Why Ikwerres Are Not Igbo - The Logic Behind It by TAO11(f): 10:29pm On Dec 01, 2020 |
AreaFada2: ![]() ![]() AreaDullard himself, the illiterate number 1 of Benin Kingdom. Long may you reign with your title. ![]() Did your Adesoji time travel back into 1845 to scribble it into Yoruba history writtings. See, don't always bother yourself trying to lie whenever I’m around. By now, you should be aware that I will drag you like Tiger-Gen and disgrace you publicly for the fatuous liar that you are. Let these two be your last lies whenever I’m around, Okay?? Good. Now back to the question: What does “Oba” mean in your Benin language? cc: babtoundey ————————- Instead of answering the simply question, you seem to be more concerned with guessing my attire. ![]() ![]() By the way as a Yoruba word, “Ọba” simply and literally means: “King”, “Monarch”, “Ruler”, “Ovelord”, etc. [We have Yoruba-English Lexicons to back that up in case you’re interested]. 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Why Ikwerres Are Not Igbo - The Logic Behind It by babtoundey(m): 11:13pm On Dec 01, 2020 |
AreaFada2: Has anyone ever mentioned oba means Obatala in Yoruba? You have been told more than enough that oba in Yoruba means "he that preside, he that dominate, has authority over.. or he that rules. O - third person singular ba- an action word that is equivalent to perches on, dominate, preside, oversees etc. some other Yoruba words that have Oba has the prefix are: Balogun (Oba loju ogun), Obaluaye, Obatala etc Hand us the meaning of Oba in Benin. Prove to us you're smart and intelligent and stop prevaricating. By the way, Obatala even sounds plausible and reasonable than shinny Seki. 1 Like |
Re: Why Ikwerres Are Not Igbo - The Logic Behind It by babtoundey(m): 11:27pm On Dec 01, 2020 |
davidnazee: After your parents had named you David, you remain what you are to them (A child). Being David doesn't stop you from being a Child. The name David was just given to you by your your parents (based on the circumstances that surround your birth,your environment and your innate qualities) to differentiate you from other neighboring children. You get the logic? The oba in Ife is Ooni The oba in Oyo is Alaafin The oba in Ifon is Olufon The oba in Ijebu is Awujale Tell us what Oba means in Benin and stop whining. 1 Like |
Re: Why Ikwerres Are Not Igbo - The Logic Behind It by babtoundey(m): 11:41pm On Dec 01, 2020 |
TAO11: How will you sleep tonight if I tell you I have been following your fictions right from the days of your shinny Seki concoction , the days you all were causing your king and his forebears for selling you to Government of Awolowo, the days all of you jokers believed you are more Benin, more versed in Benin history than the Oba of Benin and the real custodians of Benin culture and tradition. 1 Like |
Re: Why Ikwerres Are Not Igbo - The Logic Behind It by babtoundey(m): 11:45pm On Dec 01, 2020 |
TAO11: Your combats are landing on their barren skulls. I know they are cursing the day Nairaland gave you clear passage to register. But I like the way you torment that with truths and facts. 1 Like |
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