[b][/b]If the yorubas or benin can prove this two tribe meant im the psst pre 1800

Come here and prove it

We know the benin and ife agreed they shared connections with oduduwa and they once had a connection but it seems that the connection benin
-ife had didnt even carry a nearby village along and in benin the relationship looks false, and om written record it seems non existing and not even to say archeological fact


Maybe both the yoruba and benin played us with the non existed myth, maybe it was done for political benefits who knows


So we are waiting for someone to bring fact and not just oral accounts

I believe the benin oduduwa myth was told in the late 1800 for political unity and it was really not historical like we all thought

RedboneSmith
Afam4eva
AreaFada2
Etrusen
TAO11
BabaRamota1980


I would be here defending against the connection with fact

I think everyone deserves to know the truth
Be it igbo, yoruba

So if you're benin like me come out and support what you believe or better still you can watch while we debate

As for me i will challenge the palace on this very topic


TAO11 please i give you the honor to comment first please no oral documents from both benin or yoruba should exceed 1897, but archaeological fact can span till this this very moment is allowed

Balogunodua


If this thread ends,

We can deduce some known fact

If there was really no Benin-ife connection the possibility are

1) the title oba is indigenous to benin since oromiyan really didnt come to benin from ife and the title oba had probablh found is ways into, yoruba vocabulary through benin terrritorial, expansion

2) the supremacy battle would now cease to end

3) it would, unveil us to the fact that few people can hide the truth from the masses if need be

But if reverse is the case

Then ife sovereignty over benim was, indeed true facts and the title oba, was from yorubas

I just believe we shouldn't debate like people who never visted school this fact and materials are readily available for our debate with no stress no free off charge and yet we disgard them for no reason just to settle a non cognitive and fallacious debate to uplift our tribal ego

Nobody can prove nothing
This oduduwa something is all made up
Unlike Nri and Eri the father's of ani-igbo

All the history of Edo and Oyo Empire is simply about Royal Dynasty , coming together, building of civilisation and building of empire from various existing human settlements especially


Mesolithic Volta-Niger populations, is where Yoruba, Edo , Istekiri , Dahomey and many come from that's far in the days before Sango, Oya , Osun and other gods walked the earth

Well the connection between Benin (Igodomigodo) Ile Ife , Oyo , is just as simple as reading about Sango Olukoso, Oranmiyan, Oduduwa, and even more recent Uthman danfodio



.

Just stories that we hear

Please i really need this debate, to be loud,


I want every tribe to be present to witness how we unfold the myth


Etrusen is benin


OmoOlofin / tao11 is yoruba( lagosian)


I am benin and live in benin

It would also be better if we havean ife man present too

But anyway we can with any yoruba


So why the silence are these people now scared to defend what they belive in


Both people believe it existed

OmoOlofin:
https://www.nairaland.com/6234931/why-ikwerres-not-igbo-logic/33#96641344

Dont post link please, lets do it here

No nairaland link is allowed please

Bring your fact here

If this thread remain silent till tomorrow that means i am correct with my research carried that benin ife twas a myth

Tao11 seems shy i would help her

She brought this image below from a yoruba foreign author biller, blier is a foreign yoruba author one of her specialty is on ife history, jusy the way we have afc ryder a foreign author too who specializes on benin history

I posted afc ryders work as my screenshot above him discrediting benin ife relationship


On the othet hand biler has accepted and probably tries to find way to belive on the oral history benin and the yorubas have told about oduduwa sending his son oromiyan coming to benin, but one thing about blier is her desperation to connect both history even with illogical points or false point


Now the images points out a benin sculpture found in ife, in bliers work, and yet when we check on net to find the details, or how it was found in ife we get lost, and seem non existing

I have also begged tao11 to also share the direct referencing to the book or share the pdf to get further details she seems not to have replied me


So its eithet Tao11 is desperate to falsefully connect both tribe or blier is desperate to connect them and sell her books

Anyway you all can do the research yourself on that sculpture

Am a free thinker if you dont mind

We are busy.

Boss. People cant just come and start debating like that now .
Everybody needs time. Me myself I have a lot on my desk. And tao with others will be up to something or another .

tollyboy5:
Boss. People cant just come and start debating like that now .
Everybody needs time. Me myself I have a lot on my desk. And tao with others will be up to something or another .

Ok, any prove you find bring it here, we will debate it

Hello

Anyone yet with prove

Anyone

Without ife, Benin history is not complete, that is why the ife Benin connection can never be erased, if you Edo want to erase it,we Yoruba will not allow it,every inch of Benin belongs to us,because we are your source, mouth and opening useless threads can not save Benin from our hold, anytime I look at Benin kingship I see Yoruba, anytime I see Benin bronze I see Yoruba, there gods are Yoruba, so after stealing our civilization,you want to things upside down, I repeat without ife;Benin has no history

You are not somebody that fall for evidence and proof, if you are you would have stopped all the unnecessary debate, I really respect Tao 112,she is excellent, she tried to open your eyes to the truth, but you hate the truth,because the truth is bitter, and the truth Is that Yoruba's are your father