davidmarker:


Keep dreaming, forget reality. Nigerians don't like reality. That might be a consequence of the average IQ score of 70 in nigeria.

Please name anything that the NAF under this CAS has promised is going to be delivered that has not been fulfilled? If you can tell me, I will understand where you are coming from. If not, you are just trolling.

horlams:


Stop wasting your time

I will, he is trolling

rka1:


Please name anything that the NAF under this CAS has promised is going to be delivered that has not been fulfilled? If you can tell me, I will understand where you are coming from. If not, you are just trolling.

So you have been granted supreme authority to judge whom is trolling and whom is not ?i don't need to answer your question, it is a fact that your jf17 is a pipe dream. End of story, but you are free to continue hallucinating.

davidmarker:

So you have been granted supreme authority to judge whom is trolling and whom is not ?i don't need to answer your question, it is a fact that your jf17 is a pipe dream. End of story, but you are free to continue hallucinating.

The fact you are using a new moniker shows you are disguising to troll. Carry on

rka1:


The fact you are using a new moniker shows you are disguising to troll. Carry on

With your kind of logics, nigeria will certainly not end up sending anybody to the moon. There are several reason why a person would have a "new moniker":
1) "I got tired of wasting my time talking to retards on nairaland, so I deleted my former account"
2) I didn't have an account so i created a "new moniker"
3) I am being harrassed on nairaland, so I deleted my former account and created a new one

...
These are just a few reasons.
Anyway, I will soon delete this account for being harrassed and wasting of time talking to retards.

rka1:


Maybe this will explain it better.

https://www.timesnownews.com/amp/india/article/pafs-difficulties-grow-as-its-frontline-fighter-jf-17-faces-worsening-maintenance-issues/689118?__twitter_impression=true

I don't have to dream, everything has come to pass so far. I bet you will be conspicuous by your absence on this forum when it comes. I suppose the accommodation being built for the Pakistani pilots and technicians in Makurdi is a dream?

Come on, you can do better.

He cannot help himself.
The day the 3 Birds land.
He will be crestfallen, bitter and angry.
It is who he is.

davidmarker:

With your kind of logics, nigeria will certainly not end up sending anybody to the moon. There are several reason why a person would have a "new moniker":
1) "I got tired of wasting my time talking to retards on nairaland, so I deleted my former account"
2) I didn't have an account so i created a "new moniker"
3) I am being harrassed on nairaland, so I deleted my former account and created a new one

...
These are just a few reasons.
Anyway, I will soon delete this account for being harrassed and wasting of time talking to retards.

still trolling. The fact you can't explain why you think it is a pipe dream shows you are. You are calling me names and accusing others of harassing you. Priceless

LTGEN:

He cannot help himself.
The day the 3 Birds land.
He will be crestfallen, bitter and angry.
It is who he is.

Yeah! It's what they do. They can't separate politics from anything. Imagine hating your country's military?

BTW, the below might explain the Mi-17E being from Serbia as a way to avoid sanctions imposed on Russia.

"The NAF said the aircraft was the second acquired from Serbia. However, it is likely the aircraft was manufactured in Russia and possibly acquired through a Serbian broker as flight tracking data shows the helicopter was delivered aboard Ilyushin Il-76TD RA-76502 operated by Russian private charter carrier Aviacon Zitotrans, which flew the transport from central Russia to North Africa on 1 December, bypassing Serbia. The Il-76TD took off from near Kazan, Russia, where Mi-8/17 helicopters are manufactured at the Kazan Helicopters factory."

https://www.defenceweb.co.za/aerospace/military-helicopters/nigerian-air-force-receives-another-mi-171-helicopter/

rka1:


still trolling. The fact you can't explain why you think it is a pipe dream shows you are. You are calling me names and accusing others of harassing you. Priceless

It is a pipe dream because it has been going on for several years. It doesn't take 5 years to buy something.
Anybody except you guys know this is total nonesense.
You live in an alternate reality.

davidmarker:

It is a pipe dream because it has been going on for several years. It doesn't take 5 years to buy something.
Anybody except you guys know this is total nonesense.
You live in an alternate reality.

It was only confirmed and given the go-ahead in 2018 as I already explained. Every other time it was unconfirmed and in the case of the previous CAS, showboating.
Yes, it can actually take 5 years and longer from when a deal is agreed for an aircraft to delivery and examples are the UK & US. I have not even mentioned the limited ability of the Pakistanis to produce the jets in enough quantity for themselves as well as other vendors.

So you think the pilots training in Pakistan at the moment and preparations being made to receive the jets is living in an alternate reality?

Please don't run away when they arrive o! I would like your opinion then

Please pardon my ignorance, but why do ordered aircrafts take time to be delivered? sometimes it takes like 2-3 years. I mean, the aircraft has been made already(except they have to make as you order), is it not just to receive the order and then ship it? why take so long?

rka1:


It was only confirmed and given the go-ahead in 2018 as I already explained. Every other time it was unconfirmed and in the case of the previous CAS, showboating.
Yes, it can actually take 5 years and longer from when a deal is agreed for an aircraft to delivery and examples are the UK & US. I have not even mentioned the limited ability of the Pakistanis to produce the jets in enough quantity for themselves as well as other vendors.

So you think the pilots training in Pakistan at the moment and preparations being made to receive the jets is living in an alternate reality?

Please don't run away when they arrive o! I would like your opinion then

We're done, logics don't flow here.

Heartlessbanker:
Please pardon my ignorance, but why do ordered aircrafts take time to be delivered? sometimes it takes like 2-3 years. I mean, the aircraft has been made already(except they have to make as you order), is it not just to receive the order and then ship it? why take so long?

In most cases,the aircrafts ordered hasn't been manufactured e.g the super tucano nigeria ordered,have only six manufactured. Thats how it is. Unless u wanna buy a used aircraft.

davidmarker:

We're done, logics don't flow here.

Bro,pls when you argue or delibrate on a matter,stop being one-sided and political. Everything isn't about Buhari. I know you are angry on things happening in the nation. No one likes it. But don't let emotions cloud your judgement. Am not APC,am not a politician. Am just your Nigerian Brother

Heartlessbanker:
Please pardon my ignorance, but why do ordered aircrafts take time to be delivered? sometimes it takes like 2-3 years. I mean, the aircraft has been made already(except they have to make as you order), is it not just to receive the order and then ship it? why take so long?

It takes time to manufacture depending on the complexity of the aircraft. Also, the aircraft are used to train your pilots and technicians before being delivered. No point delivering the aircraft if nobody to man them or look after them.

Stormtrooper11:

In most cases,the aircrafts ordered hasn't been manufactured e.g the super tucano nigeria ordered,have only six manufactured. Thats how it is. Unless u wanna buy a used aircraft.

i get it now, thanks.

rka1:


It was only confirmed and given the go-ahead in 2018 as I already explained. Every other time it was unconfirmed and in the case of the previous CAS, showboating.
Yes, it can take 5 years and longer from when a deal is agreed for an aircraft to delivery and examples are the UK & US. I have not even mentioned the limited ability of the Pakistanis to produce the jets in enough quantity for themselves s well as other vendors.

So you think the pilots training in Pakistan at the moment and preparations being made to receive the jets is living in an alternate reality?

Please don't run away when they arrive o! I would like your opinion then

IMHO, barring COVID, those birds would have been here by now, the pilots where suppose to start training in Q1 this year, because of the lockdown and global uncertainty, that wasn't feasible, they traveled to Pakistan in Q2, I think the delay could be caused by pilot training not been concluded
PS - I think he's just having fun, at trolling, I'm sure he can read, we've been following this deal for years, the deal was only confirmed and payment made for by Q3 2018, I'm sure he knows this, If he wasn't you've made it known to him.

I've never seen anyone in the public sector as honest as the CAS, he doesn't speculate, over time, trust and respect has been built, That's
priceless especially when you come from these parts, he said the birds are coming, I don't know about you, But I'll take his word for it, it's obvious, some Pakistani technicians are already in Benue

lebuhsi:


IMHO, barring COVID, those birds would have been here by now, the pilots where suppose to start training in Q1 this year, because of the lockdown and global uncertainty, that wasn't feasible, they traveled to Pakistan in Q2, I think the delay could be caused by pilot training not been concluded
PS - I think he's just having fun, at trolling, I'm sure he can ride, we've been following this deal for years, the deal was only confirmed and payment made for by Q3 2018, I'm sure he knows this, If he wasn't you've made it known to him.

I've never seen anyone in the public sector as honest as the CAS, he doesn't speculate, over time, trust and respect has been built, That's
priceless especially when you come from these parts, he said the birds are coming, I don't know about you, But I'll take his word for it, it's obvious, some Pakistani technicians are already in Benue

Very true. I wanted to explain the COVID angle, but I knew I would have been wasting my time.

Valkrie:


Been saying we should go the Algerian way to end this madness the Nigerian government go dey run in circle.. only a mad man thinks he would get a different result from doing same thing repeatedly...arm the locals with heavy armaments and see this nonesense end within few months...tell me what would have happend if the rice farmers slaughtered have their own gun trucks complete with good ordinance..dem boko no go even think of branching at all...!! government want to keep playing the big brother role and dem no get the capability...simple.. !!

In the Suez canal, egypt during the Israel/Arab conflict it was the armed locals who drove the Israelis soldiers out of their town after their own soldiers where defeated and all ran away...!!

Nobody would ever love you more than yourself..similar issue played out in Niger state recently and it was the local vigilante and village people that had to commandered the police armoury and drove the marauders from their village...after the police failed them by telling the villagers that there is order from above to come and assist them...!!

the only problem is control over the militia. Many of such examples, pershmega in Iraq and ypg in Syria are not government controlled.

Pls SamuelAnyawu, do civilian jtf carry AKs?

Heartlessbanker:
i get it now, thanks.

You welcome

Faithful007:
the only problem is control over the militia. Many of such examples, pershmega in Iraq and ypg in Syria are not government controlled.

Pls SamuelAnyawu, do civilian jtf carry AKs?

Sure from what is happening now..which person in his right sense would want to wait for any govt control body to come and organise their defence for them..? All man to his tent...if you wait for govt then you are going to be on a long thing...!!

Abubakar Sadique Kurbe @sadiqueKurbe
On Twitter has an excellent article on what exactly happened at Koshebe ( The actual location of the Massacre).
It is an excellent read on Twitter.

rka1:


Yeah! It's what they do. They can't separate politics from anything. Imagine hating your country's military?

BTW, the below might explain the Mi-17E being from Serbia as a way to avoid sanctions imposed on Russia.

"The NAF said the aircraft was the second acquired from Serbia. However, it is likely the aircraft was manufactured in Russia and possibly acquired through a Serbian broker as flight tracking data shows the helicopter was delivered aboard Ilyushin Il-76TD RA-76502 operated by Russian private charter carrier Aviacon Zitotrans, which flew the transport from central Russia to North Africa on 1 December, bypassing Serbia. The Il-76TD took off from near Kazan, Russia, where Mi-8/17 helicopters are manufactured at the Kazan Helicopters factory."

https://www.defenceweb.co.za/aerospace/military-helicopters/nigerian-air-force-receives-another-mi-171-helicopter/

With all this evidence staring at us in the face, don't you think Nigeria can still be sanctioned by the west if all this your conspiracy theory is true?

rka1:


It was only confirmed and given the go-ahead in 2018 as I already explained. Every other time it was unconfirmed and in the case of the previous CAS, showboating.
Yes, it can actually take 5 years and longer from when a deal is agreed for an aircraft to delivery and examples are the UK & US. I have not even mentioned the limited ability of the Pakistanis to produce the jets in enough quantity for themselves as well as other vendors.

So you think the pilots training in Pakistan at the moment and preparations being made to receive the jets is living in an alternate reality?

Please don't run away when they arrive o! I would like your opinion then

Are you sure the problem is from the Pakistani or from Nigeria? If Nigeria have the money, we might be buying it direct from China if Pakistan will be wasting time. China will deliver the three jets in one year

Hope you know we are still paying for this aircraft?

Is the UK also buying three fighter jets from the USA? So after the UK and US sign the agreement for three jets, it took the US 2-4 years before they start delivering the jet

Heartlessbanker:
Please pardon my ignorance, but why do ordered aircrafts take time to be delivered? sometimes it takes like 2-3 years. I mean, the aircraft has been made already(except they have to make as you order), is it not just to receive the order and then ship it? why take so long?

They have to build it from the scratch, unless you wan buy second hand or refurbished jets.

I believe nah money dey delay our JF17 like this, Nigeria dey pay small small.

Russia and China officials started negotiation on the SU35 deal in 2010, they eventually signed a contract for China to buy 24 SU35 in 2015 the first 4 was delivered in 2016 while 10 was delivered in 2017.

Myanmar ordered for 16 JF17(they are using Russian engines in their JF17) from China, by 2018, China delivered all the 16 fighter jets.

BabaOwen:
Are you sure the problem is from the Pakistani or from Nigeria? If Nigeria have the money, we might be buying it direct from China if Pakistan will be wasting time. China will deliver the three jets in one year

Hope you know we are still paying for this aircraft?

Is the UK also buying three fighter jets from the USA? So after the UK and US sign the agreement for three jets, it took the US 2-4 years before they start delivering the jet

The problem is from no one. The aircraft payment had a sovereign guarantee pledged by the Pakistani Government in 2018 for the 3 aircraft and the installments in the Nigerian budget is to the Pakistani Government. The aircraft manufacturers have been paid.

As already explained, a combination of factors have delayed it this year, the main one being COVID as the pilot and maintenance personnel training commenced late. What, you will deliver the aircraft without pilots or maintenance engineers to look after it?

Go and look at the time line for the order and delivery of the F35B in the UK. Check any western orders for new aircraft, even by Saudi Arabia, Qatar etc and look at the time line for when they commenced delivery of the first few aircraft.

So, 2 years is not long for the JF-17.

BabaOwen:
With all this evidence staring at us in the face, don't you think Nigeria can still be sanctioned by the west if all this your conspiracy theory is true?

Only thing that the USA can sanction directly is the Super Tucano deal, but I doubt it will happen as it will give impetus for Nigeria to disregard any sanctions against Russia and go for the remaining Mi-35m helos.

rka1:


Only thing that the USA can sanction directly is the Super Tucano deal, but I doubt it will happen as it will give impetus for Nigeria to disregard any sanctions against Russia and go for the remaining Mi-35m helos.

IGNORE HIM PLEASE
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-55147863

LTGEN:
Abubakar Sadique Kurbe @sadiqueKurbe
On Twitter has an excellent article on what exactly happened at Koshebe ( The actual location of the Massacre).
It is an excellent read on Twitter.

Share the link, please

in light of the signed agreement with China. Why can't we buy the J-16 from them too.
The Shenyang J-16 (Chinese: 歼-16) is a Chinese tandem-seat, twinjet, multirole[3] strike fighter[1] developed from the Sukhoi Su-30

rka1:


Only thing that the USA can sanction directly is the Super Tucano deal, but I doubt it will happen as it will give impetus for Nigeria to disregard any sanctions against Russia and go for the remaining Mi-35m helos.

Well, so you think Russia and China can help our economy if we get sanction by the USA?

Well sha, Buratai don talk say nah 2040 the battle against the terrorist go end