advocatejare:

You're the one that will kill yourself like Muhammad who died of poison from atenuje because he didn't have self control.

Atenuje lopa Muhammad

Empiree:
slave trades existed during Jewish reign right?.

slave trades existed before and during Jesus, right?

Slave trades existed before Muhammad right?

So if slavery existed before Muhammad, how come your Bible writers skipped slave trading history in connection with Jesus and then slavery appeared again on the time of the prophet muhammad?.

Who was fooling who?. Why are Christian historians being untruthful for skipping slave trades record in the time of Jesus yet, they documented slavery in the Bible?.

Empiree:
I'm not gonna go back to back arguments. I have presented valid points in those screenshots with proofs but I fe da si agidi

advocatejare:

Jesus is the perfect example the Christians,

Empiree:
if he was, why do you follow Paul, a liar?. Christians follow Paul and his teachings not Jesus.

Empiree:
if he was, why do you follow Paul, a liar?. Christians follow Paul and his teachings not Jesus.

Empiree:
if he was, why do you follow Paul, a liar?. Christians follow Paul and his teachings not Jesus.

Now , you have shamelessly gone to quote passages from the Bible you know nothing about just like one of your brother I debated few days ago....

Now, show me from that Philippians 1 :18 were Paul encouraged Christians to lie or lied, I have also helped in bringing the verses here :

Philippians 1:15-18( the Bible has a flow, Paul was talking on those who proclaim Christ through good or bad Motives)

15 It is true that some preach Christ out of envy and rivalry, but others out of goodwill. 16 The latter do so out of love, knowing that I am put here for the defense of the gospel. 17 The former preach Christ out of selfish ambition, not sincerely, supposing that they can stir up trouble for me while I am in chains. 18 But what does it matter? The important thing is that in every way, whether from false motives or true, Christ is preached. And because of this I rejoice.

Empiree:
if he was, why do you follow Paul, a liar?. Christians follow Paul and his teachings not Jesus.

Empiree:
if he was, why do you follow Paul, a liar?. Christians follow Paul and his teachings not Jesus.

Here's Romans 3:6-8 that you shamelessly lied about

Certainly not! If that were so, how could God judge the world?7 Someone might argue, “If my falsehood enhances God’s truthfulness and so increases his glory, why am I still condemned as a sinner?” 8 Why not say—as some slanderously claim that we say—“Let us do evil that good may result”?Their condemnation is just!

LMAO , this guy is a clown asking why was Paul insisting that he wasn't lying ,Did the Pharisees and saducces agree with Jesus himself??

Empiree:
if he was, why do you follow Paul, a liar?. Christians follow Paul and his teachings not Jesus.

Where's the lie? you think the Bible is like your Quran?

Acts 23:6-8


Then Paul, knowing that some of them were Sadducees and the others Pharisees, called out in the Sanhedrin, “My brothers, I am a Pharisee,descended from Pharisees. I stand on trial because of the hope of the resurrection of the dead.” 7 When he said this, a dispute broke out between the Pharisees and the Sadducees, and the assembly was divided.8 (The Sadducees say that there is no resurrection,and that there are neither angels nor spirits, but the Pharisees believe all these things.)

Gosh, these guys can do anything to daint Paul

Wetin Paul do una, the same Paul that was better than your muhammed?

Camelot65:
Where's the lie? you think the Bible is like your Quran?

Acts 23:6-8


Then Paul, knowing that some of them were Sadducees and the others Pharisees, called out in the Sanhedrin, “My brothers, I am a Pharisee,descended from Pharisees. I stand on trial because of the hope of the resurrection of the dead.” 7 When he said this, a dispute broke out between the Pharisees and the Sadducees, and the assembly was divided.8 (The Sadducees say that there is no resurrection,and that there are neither angels nor spirits, but the Pharisees believe all these things.)

Gosh, these guys can do anything to daint Paul

Wetin Paul do una, the same Paul that was better than your muhammed?

Empiree:
Go and and read my posts very well again. Don't cover up for Mr. Paul.. Paul was chameleon.

Cover up for something that isn't even there, you need help if you think all those verses show Paul to be a liar..... I'm not surprised, anything is possible for una, understanding even hard for una....


You're yet to answer my questions, answer them and I'll take you serious

advocatejare:

Why do you follow a demon-possessed man?

Sahih Muslim 2814:
Abdullah b. Mas'ud reported that Allah's Messenger ( ﷺ ) said:
There is none amongst you with whom is not an attache from amongst the jinn (devil). They (the Companions) said: Allah's Messenger, with you too? Thereupon he said: Yes, but Allah helps me against him and so I am safe from his hand and he does not command me but for good.[/b]


Only jinn torment their host like Muhammad was pinned down and suffocated thrice in the cave of Hira:

"...The Prophet added, "The angel caught me (forcefully) and pressed me so hard that I could not bear it any more. He then released me and again asked me to read and I replied, 'I do not know how to read.' Thereupon he caught me again and pressed me a second time till I could not bear it any more. He then released me and again asked me to read but again I replied, 'I do not know how to read (or what shall I read)?' Thereupon he caught me for the third time and pressed me,..."
-Sahih Bukhari 1:1:3

Also, anytime Muhammad received the so called revelation from the jinn, he used to bear it with trouble move his tongue like someone convulsing. Only a demonic possession manifests as that.

Narrated By Said bin Jubair
Ibn 'Abbas in the explanation of the Statement of Allah. 'Move not your tongue concerning (the Qur'an) to make haste therewith." (75.16) Said "Allah's Apostle used to bear the revelation with great trouble and used to move his lips (quickly) with the Inspiration." Ibn 'Abbas moved his lips saying, "I am moving my lips in front of you as Allah's Apostle used to move his."
-Sahih Bukhari 1:1:4

PROOF THAT MUHAMMAD WAS POSSESSED OF A DEMON:
In the Holy Scriptures one of the main things the demons do is physically throw people to the ground. For example in Luke 9:42 a man brings his demon possessed boy to Jesus to be healed and we read:

"While he was coming, the demon threw him to the ground and convulsed him. But Jesus rebuked the unclean spirit and healed the boy, and gave him back to his father." Luke 9:42

Muhammad also snorted like a camel and wanted to commit suicide by jumping off a mountain because the demonic torment was much.

"...Would that I see revelation coming to the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ). He (Hadrat 'Umar) said: Would it please you to see the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) receiving the revelations 'Umar lifted a corner of the cloth and I looked at him and he was emitting a sound of snorting. He (the narrator) said: I thought it was the sound of a camel..."
-Sahih Muslim Book 7, Hadith 2654


"Prophet (peace be upon him) became so sad as we have heard(come to know) that he intended several times to throw himself from the tops of high mountains and every time he went up the top of a mountain in order to throw himself down..."
Sahih Bukhari 9:87:111

Camelot65:
Cover up for something that isn't even there, you need help if you think all those verses show Paul to be a liar..... I'm not surprised, anything is possible for una, understanding even hard for una....


You're yet to answer my questions, answer them and I'll take you serious

Empiree:
I am kinda reluctant to reply you because no amount of other convincing evidence will change your mind because you are on a mission. Whether you listen or more Qur'an is the only superior argument. Qur'an is superior over the Hadith and here is what it says


"O Messenger (Muhammad SAW)! Proclaim (the Message) which has been sent down to you from your Lord. And if you do not, then you have not conveyed His Message. Allah will protect you from mankind. Verily, Allah guides not the people who disbelieve." 5:67


Another one


"We have not sent down the Quran unto you (O Muhammad SAW) to cause you distress," Sura Tãha


O ya, start grumbling again


These two verses rebuked you. It doesn't matter whether they are in sahih bukhari or not. Qur'an sits in judgement over any narrations. I notice you don't quote Qur'an. Qur'an is the revelation not Hadith

Empiree:

These Qur'an is the revelation not Hadith

advocatejare:

The same Quran claims to be a hadith. You can't know because you only cram


Quran 52:34
Let them produce a hadith like this if they are truthful.

Falya/too bihadeethin mithlihi in kanoo sadiqeena

فَلْيَأْتُوا بِحَدِيثٍ مِّثْلِهِ إِن كَانُوا صَادِقِين

In case you don't understand Arabic, this is the Arabic word حديثfor hadith as appear in that verse.

So your Quran is a mere hadith too

advocatejare:

Those two verses confirm that Islam is just contradictions.

Those that lived and walked with Muhammad narrated his lifestyle to us and you Muslims confirm it to be authentic and you're always running to quote from same hadith anytime it suits your arguement, and you also quote from the same hadith to tell us that Muhammad said he left Quran and his sunnah for you Muslims, but now that we are exposing how the same hadith narrated how Muhammad died of atenuje, how he traded humans like commodities and how he said you should hate Christians and Jews you are now doing Taqiyya and denying your authentic hadith. You can only fool yourself.

Or maybe you're telling us that the Quran is a book of lies.

If not, how come Allah said he would protect Muhammad from mankind and the same Muhammad was poisoned by a woman, the same Muhammad had his tooth broken in battle, the same Muhammad was bewitched and was insane and started hallucinating about having sex when he didn't, the same Muhammad had his aorta cut and he shouted in agony, he dragged his foot even when held by two men, he had high fever and lapsed into unconsciousness, he attempted suicide many times and the liar Empir.ee and his book of lies called Quran is telling us that Muhammad was protected from mankind.

You can only fool yourself and those that cant use their brains.

Empiree:
What is Hadith?. Let's see if you have sense of y what you are saying.

Empiree:
It is not a about quoting aHadith that suit me. It is about Hadith that is in harmony with Qur'an.

what you failed to understand is that Qur'an is revelation and verified by God and nabi Muhammad himself.

These are stories. In stories, there can be addition and subtraction for personal purposes.

Empiree:
what question?. That what did Paul do to us?. I have no problem with Paul. His problems are with God for deceiving Christians and created a new religion. He changed teachings and doctrines of Jesus and replaced with his. Go and read your Bible carefully

You should instead goan read the Bible To think you're doing this confidently is funny

I asked you who Paul is and you couldn't answer

Formed a new religion? Please show me from the Bible where Paul claimed he formed christianity......

Who's a Christian

It's so amusing that of all the apostles who wrote letters ,it's only Paul that you have problems with

I should instead be questioning muhammad for creating a religion in the 7th century out of his own personal convictions, a religion that's not in line with other Abrahamaic religions.....

Answer those questions and I'll take you serious

advocatejare:

So where in the Quran are you commanded to pray(salat) 5 times daily? The names of the prayer and the time to observe them?

Where in the Quran are you told the number of rakah for each prayer ?


Where in the Quran are you told how to perform ablution like you Muslims do it today?

And so on,


All the above are only found in the other ahadith you can't find them in the Quran, which is also a hadith

Muhammad was not alive to verify the Quran, the Quran was compiled during the reign of Uthman, about 20 years after Muhammad had died and Uthman and Zaid the chief editor destroyed the original manuscripts after they had edited the Quran and helped Allah to 'perfect' it, as Allah did a poor job that only humans could prefect for him.

So Muhammad never verified the Quran you have today, and there is no original Quran because it was burnt/destroyed by Uthman

Just like their were additions and subtractions to the Quran by Uthman and the editor-in-chief of the Quran, Zaid

Camelot65:
You should instead goan read the Bible To think you're doing this confidently is funny



Formed a new religion? Please show me from the Bible where Paul claimed he formed christianity......

Who's a Christian

It's so amusing that of all the apostles who wrote letters ,it's only Paul that you have problems with

I should instead be questioning muhammad for creating a religion in the 7th century out of his own personal convictions, a religion that's not in line with other Abrahamaic religions.....

Answer those questions and I'll take you serious

I asked you who Paul is and you couldn't answer

advocatejare:

The same Quran claims to be a hadith. You can't know because you only cram


Quran 52:34
Let them produce a hadith like this if they are truthful.

Falya/too bihadeethin mithlihi in kanoo sadiqeena

فَلْيَأْتُوا بِحَدِيثٍ مِّثْلِهِ إِن كَانُوا صَادِقِين

In case you don't understand Arabic, this is the Arabic word حديثfor hadith as appear in that verse.

So your Quran is a mere hadith too

Empiree:
smh.... In this Quran context, Hadith means "speech". Just like saying anything including books, fairy tales or itan ijapa ati yanibo other than Qur'an.

But six Hadith collections such as bukhari, Muslim, ibn majah etc are collection of stories which falls in the category that Quran talks about in the Ayah you quoted. There are false stories in them and there are valid stories in them. Qur'an is the criteria that distinguishes false stories from real ones. The Qur'an you quoted shot you in the foot. It means those stories about angel strangling prophet etc are Hadith(speeches) that are in conflict with Qur'an. Hence, I rejected them.

Empiree:
You failed to understand religious obligatory practices from history or story. Qur'an has commanded daily salat and times. Qur'an has hinted obligatory part of wudhu(ablution) which is also found in your Bible. Hadith of the prophet shows us how prophet muhammad SAW performed these activities. It is not complicated at all. So your attempt to create confusion is a complete failure. Qur'an already told us about the incident that took place between the prophet muhammad SAW and Jubril (as) in Sura 96 from verse 1, Sura 74 from verse 1. So we don't need itan ijapa ati yanibo to spice it up. Such stories are usually israiliya to taint Islamic history.

Qur'an was written down and verified by the prophet himself in the last part of his blessed life. In other Islamic school of law or exegesis, Qur'an was compiled in book form in the lifetime of the prophet muhammad SAW.

Empiree:
we will keep dragging this forever. The question should be, where is your evidence that Jesus brought Christianity?.


Paul was not israelite. Paul was a lawyer and later travelled, learned about Jesus and deliberately changed his teachings as documented in your Bible (Hebrew 6:1).

He also lied in his act of apostle that he/companies heard God's voice Acts 9:7.

In another verse Acts 22:9 says that they heard no voice. The dude was a liar.

Lol, you made a claim and i asked you to prove it, you are instead suggesting how my question should be..... You funny ooo

Who's Paul? was he an apostle of Jesus Christ or not?

Where's it mentioned in the Bible that Paul created christianity?

You claim to know the Bible, so what does "Christian" mean

Does Jesus have a religion??

These are the questions I asked but instead of answering, you're dancing around

Hebrews 6:1-2

6 Therefore let us move beyond the elementary teachings about Christ and be taken forward to maturity, not laying again the foundation of repentance from acts that lead to death,and of faith in God, 2 instruction about cleansing rites,the laying on of hands, the resurrection of the dead, and eternal judgment.

You won't stop embarrassing yourself abi, You don't know the bible, but you won't lie low.....

Empiree:
we will keep dragging this forever. The question should be, where is your evidence that Jesus brought Christianity?.


Paul was not israelite. Paul was a lawyer and later travelled, learned about Jesus and deliberately changed his teachings as documented in your Bible (Hebrew 6:1).

He also lied in his act of apostle that he/companies heard God's voice Acts 9:7.

In another verse Acts 22:9 says that they heard no voice. The dude was a liar.

Acts 22:8-10


8 “‘Who are you, Lord?’ I asked.

“ ‘I am Jesus of Nazareth,whom you are persecuting,’ he replied.9 My companions saw the light, but they did not understand the voice of him who was speaking to me.

10 “‘What shall I do, Lord?’ I asked.

“ ‘Get up,’ the Lord said, ‘and go into Damascus. There you will be told all that you have been assigned to do.’

You don't know anything about the Bible but you won't stop embarrassing yourself

Where is it mentioned there that they didn't hear any voice?? it clearly says They did not understand the voice of who was speaking to Paul or You're on crack while reading the passage?

The thing is no matter how you try, You won't get anything Paul is better than your muhammed

Empiree:
we will keep dragging this forever. The question should be, where is your evidence that Jesus brought Christianity?.


Paul was not israelite. Paul was a lawyer and later travelled, learned about Jesus and deliberately changed his teachings as documented in your Bible (Hebrew 6:1).

He also lied in his act of apostle that he/companies heard God's voice Acts 9:7.

In another verse Acts 22:9 says that they heard no voice. The dude was a liar.

Empiree has really lost it You'll keep getting confused.....because you're looking for something that's not there, Thanks for the verse you posted

Acts 9:6-8

6 “Now get up and go into the city, and you will be told what you must do.”

7 The men traveling with Saul stood there speechless; they heard the sound but did not see anyone. 8 Saul got up from the ground, but when he opened his eyes he could see nothing. So they led him by the hand into Damascus.

But you claimed just now that they didn't hear any voice??

Keep exposing your ignorance

When a person isn't truthful, he/she would be looking for straws to hold on to just to prove a point and that's exactly what you're doing

You couldn't even answer my questions and still went to post passages you didn't read

who do you this thing?

advocatejare:

Oya tell us how Muhammad died in the Quran,

Allah had told us that Muhammad will be seized and have his aorta cut and it happened but yoruba Muslim is trying to deny it.

It was confirmed that Muhammad fabricated some of the things he attributed to Allah in the Quran as Allah had Muhammad's aorta cut as he threatened :

Muhammed had his aorta cut to prove his fabrications

"And if Muhammad had made up about Us some [false] sayings,"
(QS. Al-Haaqqa 69: Verse 44)

"We would have seized him by the right hand;"
(QS. Al-Haaqqa 69: Verse 45)

"Then We would have cut from him the aorta."
(QS. Al-Haaqqa 69: Verse 46)

Like the Quran said, Mohammed had his aorta cut,
"Narrated 'Aisha: The Prophet in his ailment in which he died, used to say, "O 'Aisha! I still feel the pain caused by the food I ate at Khaibar, and at this time, I feel as if my aorta is being cut from that poison."
-Bukhari 5:59:713

"...He then said about the pain of which he died: I continued to feel pain from the morsel which I had eaten at Khaybar. This is the time when it has cut off my aorta."
- Sunan Abu Dawood 39:4495-4498

Camelot65:
Emp.iree has really lost it You'll keep getting confused.....because you're looking for something that's not there, Thanks for the verse you posted

Acts 9:6-8

6 “Now get up and go into the city, and you will be told what you must do.”

7 The men traveling with Saul stood there speechless; they heard the sound but did not see anyone. 8 Saul got up from the ground, but when he opened his eyes he could see nothing. So they led him by the hand into Damascus.

But you claimed just now that they didn't hear any voice??

Keep exposing your ignorance

When a person isn't truthful, he/she would be looking for straws to hold on to just to prove a point and that's exactly what you're doing

You couldn't even answer my questions and still went to post passages you didn't read

who do you this thing?

Empiree:
Death is death. He ate the food according to the story but didn't die until years later. Some also ate from the food and passed out right away.

Now, tell me exactly what your problem is with this?. Something must kill a man. At least he died without his body mutilated like your god that was violently murdered about his own creation "supposedly".