MaxInDHouse:

No Sir the highlighted is what a global family of peace loving worshipers agreed upon as the truth and we are all living by it!

it is still their personal as long as such teachings never emanate from the 12 apostles, it is simply another gospel

You are talking about a serious issue that could break the group, if each of the Apostles feel like he's the greatest then the spirit of division will surely have it's place amongst them, so Jesus can't allow such case to wait!

If Jesus had left peter in error then peter would have taught those errors and then people would have believed a lie and if a contrary teaching had surface later it would have resulted in confusion and break up.

He never left them in error but there are many things he did not teach them meaning such things could wait, don't forget that teachings isn't just a game it involves thoughts and actions that must be corrected so for Jesus to have said "there are many things i need to teach you but you can't bear it now" it means such teachings will be difficult for them to grasp yet it involves things they are thinking or doing in error otherwise they don't need it!

at bolded this is a contradiction, you said Jesus left peter in error which means peter would have also taught that error, it is even more dangerous with peter because Peter was the person Jesus instructed to feed the sheep in the midst of all of them and since Jesus didnt correct peter then what peter said would be taken as truth.

The holy spirit doesn't correct a single individual Sir,another misconception you churchgoers have, God's holy spirit corrects the thoughts and actions of the whole Christian congregation as a family {Act 15:1-2, 22-29} so after the agreement whoever choose not to comply is no more a member of the group! 3John :9

yo are wobbling show me where the holy spirit taught the group that Jesus is not omniscient?

The Torah tells us the way we know a true prophet in Deu 13 and Deu 18. A prophet can not teach something that is contrary to the Torah. He can do miracles, the Torah tells us that false religions can produce miraculous experiences. Deu 13 tells us that false prophets will be able to do miracles, actually they will be able to do miraculous things. However if they tell you about an elohim(god) your fathers did not know and they tell you do not follow the commandments, I didn't send them says the Most High, I'm only testing you to see if you love Me. The test is, whoever did the miraculous sign, are they teaching adherence to Torah or are they bringing in something new.

Jesus is not a servant but took the form of a servant.

Philippians 2:7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:



I believe this is one of the most compelling truth about Jesus deity is Philippians 2.
He made himself of no reputation, meaning he had a reputation, his reputation was not taken away but he willing veiled it.
He took the form by himself he didnt has the form of a servant before taking that form
When he took the form of a servant, he was made a human.
Christ was took the position of a servant before he was sent.

Christ cannot be angel micheal because angel Michael is a servant, Michael cannot take the form of what he is already.

Before Jesus took the form of a servant he was not a servant
For him to be a servant, less than the father he had to take that form.

Take note, he took the form of a servant before he was made in the likeness of men.

The Angels including Michael are by their form servants,

Hebrews 1:14
Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?

haddeylium:
Jws take is that the holy spirit is God's power in action (Gen 1:2).
Blasphemy against his active force/power is blasphemy against him.

That's nice, so if blasphemy against a force which is God's power means blasphemy against God, then why worshipping the same FORCE is wrong?

It's not a person/entity

But it's God, right?

Help your friend, If he is, How come it doesn't know about the day or hour?

Where does it say Holy Spirit didn't know?

Emusan:


That's nice, so if blasphemy against a force which is God's power means blasphemy against God, then why worshipping the same FORCE is wrong?



But it's God, right?



Where does it say Holy Spirit didn't know?

you have caught him in his own web

Jesus taught them what to preach and teach in the public about God's Kingdom, that's because that message is in the Hebrew Scriptures (Old Testament) already, Jesus only helped them to be tolerant with their message.
But as for what they will continue to teach amongst themselves Jesus told them that the holy spirit will continue to guide them on that! John 14:26

After Jesus' death and assenssion to heaven they stopped preaching and teaching until the holy spirit came to anoint them for the work ahead, that's because they needed to be fearless now that their leader won't be with them again in the flesh to lead them in facing the critics who always disturb them in the preaching work, secondly they must have the same line of thought so those taking the lead need to be taught what will keep the group as one family. All these won't be possible if those leading the group teach different opinions.

So Jesus told them what will happen if they're not allowing the holy spirit to teach them, there will be confusion and division to the extent that the group will not be united. But if they allow the holy spirit to teach them there will be unity this will help the group as a whole to cultivate LOVE, JOY, PEACE, PATIENCE, GOODNESS, GENTLENESS, FAITH, MILDNESS and SELF-CONTROL! John 17:20-23
Surely the spirit of division arise but the Apostles were fully prepared and vigilant that the spirit of division can't disrupt their LOVE, JOY and PEACE until Satan arranged that all of them were killed.

Ever since then true Christianity was lost, that's why all of you can't form one GROUP with one line of thought like the first century Christian congregation, because the tradition you're now following wasn't what the early Christians laid down!
You will notice that it's only against Jehovah's Witnesses that you all come together to speak but if let alone there is no agreement on teaching! Luke 11:23

As for what the holy spirit teaches about Jesus' identity Jehovah's Witnesses believed that this mighty spirit being is the archangel Michael, that shouldn't cause any problem because Jesus said those who are taught by God's holy spirit will be noticed globally as one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers! Matthew 5:13-16; John 13:34-35, 17:20-23 compared to Isaiah 2:2-4

That's why i keep asking you guys to present the group representing Jesus' global family after all Jesus foretold what interested persons should look out for to IDENTIFY his group!

livingchrist:
it is still their personal as long as such teachings never emanate from the 12 apostles, it is simply another gospel
If Jesus had left peter in error then peter would have taught those errors and then people would have believed a lie and if a contrary teaching had surface later it would have resulted in confusion and break up.
at bolded this is a contradiction, you said Jesus left peter in error which means peter would have also taught that error, it is even more dangerous with peter because Peter was the person Jesus instructed to feed the sheep in the midst of all of them and since Jesus didnt correct peter then what peter said would be taken as truth.
yo are wobbling show me where the holy spirit taught the group that Jesus is not omniscient?

MaxInDHouse:
Jesus taught them what to preach and teach in the public about God's Kingdom, that's because that message is in the Hebrew Scriptures (Old Testament) already, Jesus only helped them to be tolerant with their message.
But as for what they will continue to teach amongst themselves Jesus told them that the holy spirit will continue to guide them on that! John 14:26

After Jesus' death and assenssion to heaven they stopped preaching and teaching until the holy spirit came to anoint them for the work ahead, that's because they needed to be fearless now that their leader won't be with them again in the flesh to lead them in facing the critics who always disturb them in the preaching work, secondly they must have the same line of thought so those taking the lead need to be taught what will keep the group as one family. All these won't be possible if those leading the group teach different opinions.

So Jesus told them what will happen if they're not allowing the holy spirit to teach them, there will be confusion and division to the extent that the group will not be united. But if they allow the holy spirit to teach them there will be unity this will help the group as a whole to cultivate LOVE, JOY, PEACE, PATIENCE, GOODNESS, GENTLENESS, FAITH, MILDNESS and SELF-CONTROL! John 17:20-23
Surely the spirit of division arise but the Apostles were fully prepared and vigilant that the spirit of division can't disrupt their LOVE, JOY and PEACE until Satan arranged that all of them were killed.

Ever since then true Christianity was lost, that's why all of you can't form one GROUP with one line of thought like the first century Christian congregation, because the tradition you're now following wasn't what the early Christians laid down!
You will notice that it's only against Jehovah's Witnesses that you all come together to speak but if let alone there is no agreement on teaching! Luke 11:23

As for what the holy spirit teaches about Jesus' identity Jehovah's Witnesses believed that this mighty spirit being is the archangel Michael, that shouldn't cause any problem because Jesus said those who are taught by God's holy spirit will be noticed globally as one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers! Matthew 5:13-16; John 13:34-35, 17:20-23 compared to Isaiah 2:2-4

That's why i keep asking you guys to present the group representing Jesus' global family after all Jesus foretold what interested persons should look out for to IDENTIFY his group!

All these are irrelevant,
Just because it doesnt suit you, you said peter was in error when he said Jesus knows all things, so you know more than peter who has seen Christ.

peter and the other apostles saw Christ glory and
They testified of it.

John 1:14
And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Yes peter testified that Christ knew all things, Jesus never allowed his disciples to believe any error because that would turned all Jesus teaching to be a lie.

livingchrist:



Jesus is Omniscience, He knows all things,

John 16:30
Now are we sure that thou knowest all things, and needest not that any man should ask thee: by this we believe that thou camest forth from God.

Only Jehovah knows all things

#objection# why didnt Jesua know the time of his coming?

*answer*

John 1:14
And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Hebrews 2:9
But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.


Jesus took on flesh and became a human, he was a little lower than the angels hence limited as a human but not as God.
Jesus could at limit himself to his humanity only.


Jesus is the created all things and without him not a single created thing can exist

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Feel free to drop your question in a civil way to avoid ignominy and derailment.


Digest this first I will be bringing out more

CRAP !

You claim Jesus "limit himself to his humanity only", therefore this question is begging for answer:
According to your claim at John 16:30, How can he know all things since his humanity limits him?
Your claim made mockery of limitations of his humanity
Your claim Very incoherent.

Your quote of John 16:30 Dubious.. directly contradictory to Matthew 24:36
Vs 16-18, the disciples expressed their lacking understanding of Jesus teaching
John 16:19, Jesus knew the disciples wanted to ask him questions but they never put any questions to him
Vs25-30, the disciples confirmed Jesus knew "all things in their thoughts" "and you do not need to have anyone question you" & they believe in Jesus..

The disciples never said anything about omniscience.
The disciples words fall short of ascribing omniscience to Jesus Christ- Biblehub

Biblehub, your fellow Trinity devotees debunks your claim

livingchrist:



Jesus is the created all things and without him not a single created thing can exist

#objection# But God created Jesus first and then used him to create all other things as stated in proverb 8:22

Proverbs 8:22 The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.




*answer* proverb 8 is a poetic language describing the superiority of wisdom abover every other thing.
Let's look at the hebrew interpretation of that verse,

Lexicon
The LORD
יְֽהוָ֗ה (Yah·weh)
Noun - proper - masculine singular
Strong's Hebrew 3068: LORD -- the proper name of the God of Israel

possessed me
קָ֭נָנִי (qā·nā·nî)
Verb - Qal - Perfect - third person masculine singular | first person common singular
Strong's Hebrew 7069: To erect, create, to procure, by purchase, to own

at the beginning
רֵאשִׁ֣ית (rê·šîṯ)
Noun - feminine singular construct
Strong's Hebrew 7225: The first, in place, time, order, rank

of His work,
דַּרְכּ֑וֹ (dar·kōw)
Noun - common singular construct | third person masculine singular
Strong's Hebrew 1870: A road, a course of life, mode of action

before
קֶ֖דֶם (qe·ḏem)
Noun - masculine singular construct
Strong's Hebrew 6924: The front, of place, time

His deeds
מִפְעָלָ֣יו (mip̄·‘ā·lāw)
Noun - masculine plural construct | third person masculine singular
Strong's Hebrew 4659: A work, something made

of old.
מֵאָֽז׃ (mê·’āz)
Preposition-m | Adverb
Strong's Hebrew 227: At that time, place, therefore

The word qanani has a host of meaning, the meaning of a particular word is determined not just by its dictionary meaning but also by the context or place in which it is used, in other words we must consider the combined words and its purpose to expolate its meaning.
While the word qanani can mean, create, possess, to erect, etc the whole of this poetry do not suggest God literally creating wisdom but putting wisdom as the prime quality in all his doings.

The word translated as works is darker which means a course of life, or the way a person lives.

Can you take it to mean wisdom was created before God's principles or God's way of life, that means before wisdom was created God did not have any principle, meaning Jehovah was not God before wisdom was created, certainly not so there must be another interpretation, Which is Jehovah set wisdom as his first principle before others.

So wisdom was never created and if wisdom was never created Jesus who is the wisdom of God was also never created.

Feel free to drop your question in a civil way to avoid ignominy and derailment.


Digest this first I will be bringing out more

Is "Word" a person? Not at all.
In John 1:1, "the Word" is a personification of a Being, in the same manner, @ Proverbs 8:22-30, "Wisdom" is personification of a Being.



Source: Biblehub/Biblestudytools
a. [b]of God as originating, creating, קֹנֵה שָׁמַיִם וָאָרֶץ Genesis 14:19,22; Deuteronomy 32:6 (Israel), Psalm 139:13 (כִּלְֹיתָ֑י); Proverbs 8:22 ( חכמה q. v.)

Biblehub/ Biblestudytools says your claim is FALSE.
Genesis 14:19,22 how did Yahweh possess heaven and earth?

Drug 32:6,18 how did Yahweh possess Israel?
Psalm 139:13, how did Yahweh possess David in his mother's womb?

Proverbs 8:22-30, How did Yahweh possess the Craftsman called Wisdom?

1 Corinthians 1:24, is Wisdom revealed as a person?

Job 38:7, Did Yahweh tell you his sons were present & rejoiced when Yahweh created the Universe?
Proverbs 8:30-31 did the Craftsman "Wisdom" rejoice after Creation?

Hebrew Qanah means [b]Creating/Originating @ Proverbs 8:22, Psalms 139:13 , Genesis 14:19,22, Deuteronomy 32:6,18 ,
Bros, don't shift the goal post
Bros, Use your brain,if it still exists
.[/b][/b]

Let's conclude on this and let it rest.

Over 8,700,000 people from different races under the heavens today agreed that God's holy spirit will continue to enlighten them at the proper time not individually but as a global family and they are doing well as one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers, progressively they're gathering more and more peace lovers teaching them how to stay away from violence in the name of the Prince of Peace! Matthew 28:19-20
Well i believe God's holy spirit is evident in that arrangement than over forty one thousand different religions claiming one yet they're divided in opinions due to their misconception that God's holy spirit is teaching individuals whereas this individuals keep forming different groups to teach them contradicting theories all in the name of God's holy spirit.
Jesus said there is a type of sin that will never be forgiven, lying against a human being that he said so many contradicting things could be taken lightly since we are imperfect and most times we do mix up what our fellow man say with our own imagination {Matthew 26:59-61} Jesus said this type of sin will be forgiven {Luke 23:34} but when people raises their tongue to say mixed things in the name of God's holy spirit Jesus said they will not be forgiven! Matthew 12:31-32
WHY will God who wants all sort of flesh to be saved refuse to forgive?
Well this is because God has never for once teach contradicting theories that will bring reproach to his holy name, so his spirit supposed to unite his true worshipers not make them contradict one another! {Isaiah 2:1-4 Compared to Zephaniah 3:9} today all of you belongs to different religions but you're all claiming Christians!
Muslims, Buddhists, Traditionalists even atheists and agnostics can see the way you people argue, insult, abuse even curse one another due to the contradictions, yet you people have continued doing this in the name of God's holy spirit! Claiming this spirit is the one teaching you guys individually and thus causing more division amongst you.
That's why Jehovah's holy spirit separated his true worshipers {Revelation 18:4} and gave them a unique name {Isaiah 65:15} so that honest hearted and sincere individuals can see and testify to the power of God's holy spirit in the midst of God's people (Jehovah's Witnesses) John 17:20-23
I'll rest my case here Sir, may you have PEACE!

livingchrist:

All these are irrelevant,
Just because it doesnt suit you, you said peter was in error when he said Jesus knows all things, so you know more than peter who has seen Christ.

peter and the other apostles saw Christ glory and
They testified of it.

John 1:14
And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Yes peter testified that Christ knew all things, Jesus never allowed his disciples to believe any error because that would turned all Jesus teaching to be a lie.

Emusan:


That's nice, so if blasphemy against a force which is God's power means blasphemy against God, then why worshipping the same FORCE is wrong?

The Holy Spirit is impersonal !
Its God's powerful force he use in accomplishing things.
Just like how an Artisans use tools to get their job done.
Imagine someone praising a hammer that a carpenter use in his craft.
Unreasonable right?

But it's God, right?

NO!
That an Artisan uses a tool doesn't make that tool the Craftsman!
it's called God's holyspirit

Where does it say Holy Spirit didn't know?

It stated clearly!
'No one knows'
ONLY THE FATHER!

haddeylium:

The Holy Spirit is impersonal !
Its God's powerful force he use in accomplishing things.
Just like how an Artisans use tools to get their job done.
Imagine someone praising a hammer that a carpenter use in his craft.
Unreasonable right?

But it's reasonable to you that BLASPHEMY against the hammer is blasphemy against the carpenter. Clown everywhere!

NO!
That an Artisan uses a tool doesn't make that tool the Craftsman!
it's called God's holyspirit

So which one is true:

1. God acquires Holy Spirit as TOOL

2. Holy Spirit is part of creation which make it a creature

3. Holy Spirit is part of God and within the being of God.

It stated clearly!
'No one knows'
ONLY THE FATHER!

Then how can The Holy Spirit who SEARCHETH ALL THINGS of God and know the very MIND of God won't know the day?

Janosky:


CRAP !

You claim Jesus "limit himself to his humanity only", therefore this question is begging for answer:
According to your claim at John 16:30, How can he know all things since his humanity limits him?
Your claim made mockery of limitations of his humanity
Your claim Very incoherent.

read carefully before replying, Jesus could limit himself in his humanity but he could also go beyond his humanity if he wanted.

Your quote of John 16:30 Dubious.. directly contradictory to Matthew 24:36
Vs 16-18, the disciples expressed their lacking understanding of Jesus teaching
John 16:19, Jesus knew the disciples wanted to ask him questions but they never put any questions to him
Vs25-30, the disciples confirmed Jesus knew "all things in their thoughts" "and you do not need to have anyone question you" & they believe in Jesus..

The disciples never said anything about omniscience.
The disciples words fall short of ascribing omniscience to Jesus Christ- Biblehub

Biblehub, your fellow Trinity devotees debunks your claim

If Jesus knew all things that is in their thought then that means he is God for only God knows all the thought of man.

Jeremiah 17:10
I the LORD search the heart, I try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings.

As for proverb 8vv22

Proverbs 8:22 The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.

Qanani has a host of meaning, and like most word the meaning of which depends on the context used.

Did Yaweh create wisdom? If yahweh created wisdom then that would mean there was a time in which yahweh lack wisdom.

Qanani also mean, set up, establish or ordained, put in place,
The context again would determine which meaning it has.
Secondly, Yahweh posssed me (wisdom) in the beginning of his way

The word translated as way is darkow, which is different from works or created things or things that are made which is translated as mifalav.

Darkow means the behaviour or principle of a person or the character of a person.
Ok let us go back and fix everything in place.

The Lord created/possess/setup/ordained/establish me in the beginning of his principle/manner of doing/plan/creativity things before his creation of old.




Now the word created loses its literal meaning because the way of God is from everlasting. For the word way was in singular which is the collective approach of God towards all things.

If it is taken as creation, the wisdom would be created before God's approach, meaning even before God made any move to create anything at all wisdom was already there, then by which principle did God used to create wisdom, if wisdom was created before his principle?

Rather,it is the Lord ordained me as the most important or chief of his way before his creation.
This means that wisdom was ordained before God's creation again ruling out the notion that wisdom was created.

Emusan:


But it's reasonable to you that BLASPHEMY against the hammer is blasphemy against the carpenter. Clown everywhere!




So which one is true:

1. God acquires Holy Spirit as TOOL

2. Holy Spirit is part of creation which make it a creature

3. Holy Spirit is part of God and within the being of God.



Then how can The Holy Spirit who SEARCHETH ALL THINGS of God and know the very MIND of God won't know the day?

Interesting, I was expecting this all this while.

Let's do the Maths ...

Holy spirit a person different from the Father knows. In short, Jesus lied that ONLy the Father knows ?

livingchrist:
read carefully before replying, Jesus could limit himself in his humanity but he could also go beyond his humanity if he wanted.

If Jesus knew all things that is in their thought then that means he is God for only God knows all the thought of man.

Jeremiah 17:10
I the LORD search the heart, I try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings.

Modified - if trinitarians wanted.

So I can also say when he said nobody knows except the Father, he went beyond is humanity.

Barristter07:


Modified - if trinitarians wanted.

So I can also say when he said nobody knows except the Father, he went beyond is humanity.

no, Trinitarians believe in Jesus God manship, Jesus is 100% God and 100%man.
So he possesses both characteristics.

He knew all things as God but limited as man,
As man he is inferior to the father but as God He is equal to the father,
Jesus remained so after his resurrection hence Jesus body didnt undergo any decay/dissolution,
Hence remains a God-man forever.

When Jesus told them that there were certain things the father had kept in his power, so Jesus wouldnt through his divinity reveal to them.

livingchrist:
no, Trinitarians believe in Jesus God manship, Jesus is 100% God and 100%man.
So he possesses both characteristics.

He knew all things as God but limited as man,
As man he is inferior to the father but as God He is equal to the father,
Jesus remained so after his resurrection hence Jesus body didnt undergo any decay/dissolution,
Hence remains a God-man forever.

When Jesus told them that there were certain things the father had kept in his power, so Jesus wouldnt through his divinity reveal to them .

So in short a part of Jesus knows the day and hour BUT he choose to lie that only the Father knows ?

Barristter07:


So in short a part of Jesus knows the day and hour BUT he choose to lie that only the Father knows ?

He could limit himself to his humanity only in fact that is what he did to fulfill the bible.

In fact i tire for trinitarians o!

Barristter07:


So in short a part of Jesus knows the day and hour BUT he choose to lie that only the Father knows

livingchrist:
read carefully before replying, Jesus could limit himself in his humanity but he could also go beyond his humanity if he wanted.

If Jesus knew all things that is in their thought then that means he is God for only God knows all the thought of man.

Jeremiah 17:10
I the LORD search the heart, I try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings.

@ Matthew 24:36:
Your Almighty God who has a Father
Your Almighty God wey no know everything

@ Matthew 24:36, Did Jesus validate Jeremiah 17:10 referring to his God and Father?
Bros,

There are so many scriptures that counters this claim. Below are some of them


Matthew 26:39
Going a little farther, he fell with his face to the ground and prayed, “My Father, if it is possible, may this cup be taken from me. Yet not as I will, but as you will.”

John 16:23
In that day you will no longer ask me anything. Very truly I tell you, my Father will give you whatever you ask in my name.

John 5:19
Yahushua gave them this answer: “Very truly I tell you, the Son can do nothing by himself; he can do only what he sees his Father doing, because whatever the Father does the Son also does.

John 6:38
For I have come down from heaven not to do my will but to do the will of him who sent me.

John 12:49
For I did not speak on my own, but the Father who sent me commanded me to say all that I have spoken.

John 7:16
Yahushua answered, “My teaching is not my own. It comes from the one who sent me.

John 8:26
“I have much to say in judgment of you. But he who sent me is trustworthy, and what I have heard from him I tell the world.”

John 6:65
He went on to say, “This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless the Father has enabled them.”

Mathew 16:16-17
16 Simon Peter answered, “You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God.”

17 Yahushua replied, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by my Father in heaven.

John 14:6
Yahushua answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

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Before you jump and criticise, the above scriptures are red letters. I mean that's what Christ himself said. We must choose one, it's either you believe Christ whom you claim to follow his footsteps or you believe and follow your church leaders leading you to destruction.

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Acts 7:55
But Stephen, full of the Holy Spirit, looked up to heaven and saw the glory of God, and Yahushua standing at the right hand of God.

Matthew 17:5
While he was still speaking, a bright cloud covered them, and a voice from the cloud said, “This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased. Listen to him!”

Romans 1:1-3
1 Paul, a servant of Yahushua, called to be an apostle and set apart for the gospel of God— 2 the gospel he promised beforehand through his prophets in the Holy Scriptures 3 regarding his Son, who as to his earthly life[a] was a descendant of David,

Matthew 8:29 (The devil recognised him).
29 “What do you want with us, Son of God?” they shouted. “Have you come here to torture us before the appointed time?”

Matthew 26:63-64 (Under oath)
63 But Yahushua remained silent.

The high priest said to him, “I charge you under oath by the living God: Tell us if you are the Messiah, the Son of God.”
64 “You have said so,” Yahushua replied. “But I say to all of you: From now on you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven.”[a]

2 John 3
3 Grace, mercy and peace from God the Father and from Yahushua, the Father’s Son, will be with us in truth and love.

John 3:16
16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

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Can God stand at the right hand of God?

Revelation 5:7
He (Christ) went and took the scroll from the right hand of him (God) who sat on the throne.

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Hebrews 1:1-4
1 In the past God spoke to our ancestors through the prophets at many times and in various ways, 2 but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom also he made the universe. 3 The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word. After he had provided purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven. 4 So he became as much superior to the angels as the name he has inherited is superior to theirs.

Guy where do you come from?
Abeg sharap!

You don't have the holy ghost to interpretation of the word of God, simbarry shout Hallelujah!

Youngzedd:
There are so many scriptures that counters this claim. Below are some of them


Matthew 26:39
Going a little farther, he fell with his face to the ground and prayed, “My Father, if it is possible, may this cup be taken from me. Yet not as I will, but as you will.”

John 16:23
In that day you will no longer ask me anything. Very truly I tell you, my Father will give you whatever you ask in my name.

John 5:19
Yahushua gave them this answer: “Very truly I tell you, the Son can do nothing by himself; he can do only what he sees his Father doing, because whatever the Father does the Son also does.

John 6:38
For I have come down from heaven not to do my will but to do the will of him who sent me.

John 12:49
For I did not speak on my own, but the Father who sent me commanded me to say all that I have spoken.

John 7:16
Yahushua answered, “My teaching is not my own. It comes from the one who sent me.

John 8:26
“I have much to say in judgment of you. But he who sent me is trustworthy, and what I have heard from him I tell the world.”

John 6:65
He went on to say, “This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless the Father has enabled them.”

Mathew 16:16-17
16 Simon Peter answered, “You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God.”

17 Yahushua replied, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by my Father in heaven.

John 14:6
Yahushua answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

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Before you jump and criticise, the above scriptures are red letters. I mean that's what Christ himself said. We must choose one, it's either you believe Christ whom you claim to follow his footsteps or you believe and follow your church leaders leading you to destruction.

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Acts 7:55
But Stephen, full of the Holy Spirit, looked up to heaven and saw the glory of God, and Yahushua standing at the right hand of God.

Matthew 17:5
While he was still speaking, a bright cloud covered them, and a voice from the cloud said, “This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased. Listen to him!”

Romans 1:1-3
1 Paul, a servant of Yahushua, called to be an apostle and set apart for the gospel of God— 2 the gospel he promised beforehand through his prophets in the Holy Scriptures 3 regarding his Son, who as to his earthly life[a] was a descendant of David,

Matthew 8:29 (The devil recognised him).
29 “What do you want with us, Son of God?” they shouted. “Have you come here to torture us before the appointed time?”

Matthew 26:63-64 (Under oath)
63 But Yahushua remained silent.

The high priest said to him, “I charge you under oath by the living God: Tell us if you are the Messiah, the Son of God.”
64 “You have said so,” Yahushua replied. “But I say to all of you: From now on you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven.”[a]

2 John 3
3 Grace, mercy and peace from God the Father and from Yahushua, the Father’s Son, will be with us in truth and love.

John 3:16
16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

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Can God stand at the right hand of God?

Revelation 5:7
He (Christ) went and took the scroll from the right hand of him (God) who sat on the throne.

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Hebrews 1:1-4
1 In the past God spoke to our ancestors through the prophets at many times and in various ways, 2 but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom also he made the universe. 3 The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word. After he had provided purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven. 4 So he became as much superior to the angels as the name he has inherited is superior to theirs.

Youngzedd:
There are so many scriptures that counters this claim. Below are some of them


Matthew 26:39
Going a little farther, he fell with his face to the ground and prayed, “My Father, if it is possible, may this cup be taken from me. Yet not as I will, but as you will.”

John 16:23
In that day you will no longer ask me anything. Very truly I tell you, my Father will give you whatever you ask in my name.

John 5:19
Yahushua gave them this answer: “Very truly I tell you, the Son can do nothing by himself; he can do only what he sees his Father doing, because whatever the Father does the Son also does.

John 6:38
For I have come down from heaven not to do my will but to do the will of him who sent me.

John 12:49
For I did not speak on my own, but the Father who sent me commanded me to say all that I have spoken.

John 7:16
Yahushua answered, “My teaching is not my own. It comes from the one who sent me.

John 8:26
“I have much to say in judgment of you. But he who sent me is trustworthy, and what I have heard from him I tell the world.”

John 6:65
He went on to say, “This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless the Father has enabled them.”

Mathew 16:16-17
16 Simon Peter answered, “You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God.”

17 Yahushua replied, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by my Father in heaven.

John 14:6
Yahushua answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

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Before you jump and criticise, the above scriptures are red letters. I mean that's what Christ himself said. We must choose one, it's either you believe Christ whom you claim to follow his footsteps or you believe and follow your church leaders leading you to destruction.

.

Acts 7:55
But Stephen, full of the Holy Spirit, looked up to heaven and saw the glory of God, and Yahushua standing at the right hand of God.

Matthew 17:5
While he was still speaking, a bright cloud covered them, and a voice from the cloud said, “This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased. Listen to him!”

Romans 1:1-3
1 Paul, a servant of Yahushua, called to be an apostle and set apart for the gospel of God— 2 the gospel he promised beforehand through his prophets in the Holy Scriptures 3 regarding his Son, who as to his earthly life[a] was a descendant of David,

Matthew 8:29 (The devil recognised him).
29 “What do you want with us, Son of God?” they shouted. “Have you come here to torture us before the appointed time?”

Matthew 26:63-64 (Under oath)
63 But Yahushua remained silent.

The high priest said to him, “I charge you under oath by the living God: Tell us if you are the Messiah, the Son of God.”
64 “You have said so,” Yahushua replied. “But I say to all of you: From now on you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven.”[a]

2 John 3
3 Grace, mercy and peace from God the Father and from Yahushua, the Father’s Son, will be with us in truth and love.

John 3:16
16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

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Can God stand at the right hand of God?

Revelation 5:7
He (Christ) went and took the scroll from the right hand of him (God) who sat on the throne.

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Hebrews 1:1-4
1 In the past God spoke to our ancestors through the prophets at many times and in various ways, 2 but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom also he made the universe. 3 The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word. After he had provided purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven. 4 So he became as much superior to the angels as the name he has inherited is superior to theirs.

All these things are so because took upon him the form of a servant, as a servant and a man he must totally depend on the father without doing his will, as a servant he will not honor himself but only recieve glory and honor from the father.

Philippians 2:7
But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

If Jesus took upon him the form of a servant then he must be less than the father only because he took that form.

Barristter07:


Interesting, I was expecting this all this while.

Let's do the Maths ...

Holy spirit a person different from the Father knows. In short, Jesus lied that ONLy the Father knows ?

Jesus didnt mention the holy spirit, so only the father please strictly to the group comprises of Jesus, men, and Angels, what is common with this group is that they are all creatures or atleast became part of creation.

Barristter07:


Interesting, I was expecting this all this while.

Let's do the Maths ...

Holy spirit a person different from the Father knows. In short, Jesus lied that ONLy the Father knows ?

You couldn't counter that part, yet you said you're expecting.

So what are you expecting

Jesus didn't lie, rather it's you the lying liar like your father the devil that knows how to lie perfectly.

Here is the question again:

Then how can The Holy Spirit who SEARCHETH ALL THINGS of God and know the very MIND of God won't know the day?

Barristter07:


So in short a part of Jesus knows the day and hour BUT he choose to lie that only the Father knows ?

Coming from a deluded JWs who believes that Jehovah is all-knowing but can selectively use that attribute.

Which means Jehovah can choose to know something and also choose not to know.

We can as well say Jehovah is lying.

But see them foaming in their lying mouth about Jesus!

Hypocrite!

Emusan:


Coming from a deluded JWs who believes that Jehovah is all-knowing but can selectively use that attribute.

Which means Jehovah can choose to know something and also choose not to know.

We can as well say Jehovah is lying.

But see them foaming in their lying mouth about Jesus!

Hypocrite!

wahala for who dey lie o

How can someone say ONLY the Father know when a part of him knows ? Isn't that a LIE. Answer me

Emusan:


You couldn't counter that part, yet you said you're expecting.

So what are you expecting

Jesus didn't lie, rather it's you the lying liar like your father the devil that knows how to lie perfectly.

Here is the question again:

Then how can The Holy Spirit who SEARCHETH ALL THINGS of God and know the very MIND of God won't know the day?

Counter wetin.. if only you know the soup you find yourself with that quote.

Perfect counter : SINCE HOLY SPIRIT A PERSON KNOWS, IT MEANS THERE ARE TWO PERSONS THAT KNOW AND JESUS LIED ONLY ONE PERSON KNOWS ?

livingchrist:

He could limit himself to his humanity only in fact that is what he did to fulfill the bible.

Which one is limit, since Jesus himself know the day and hour, why LIe the son doesn't know ? Why lie only the Father knows ?

livingchrist:
Jesus didnt mention the holy spirit, so only the father please strictly to the group comprises of Jesus, men, and Angels, what is common with this group is that they are all creatures or atleast became part of creation.

Either holy spirit is not a person or it's a person that knows,making two people and Jesus lied by saying only the Father ... One is true.

According to livingchrist Peter was truthful for saying Jesus knows everything {John 21:17} but Jesus is a deceiver for saying only the father knows everything! Matthew 24:36
These guys just feel like arguing with JWs the real motive behind all these is their rebellious hearts they just don't want to be submissive. Try to watch them closely when they converge in one thread to have a discussion about submission, then you'll see how confused and divided they are.
It's only when they come in contact with JWs that they want to prove they're one. There is nothing that they agreed upon that JWs don't believe.
Jesus is God's only begotten son✓
Jesus was sent by his father and God✓
Jesus is Lord (over God's sheep)✓
What this one is trying to establish is never agreed upon in all trinitarian churches!
Professed Trinitarians themselves are confused and divided on the identity of Jesus, though they all love and bow to TRINITY but when it comes to expatiate on the Topic, some will tell you "Jehovah and Jesus are different persons" some will say "Jehovah is the same person called Jesus"
Even when it comes to the holy spirit trinitarians can't come up with the same line of thought!

So he is just blabbing, ask each of them to tell you the name of their Church to verify if what they are saying is agreed upon, then you'll know that they're just rebellious no teaching binds them together for real!

Barristter07:


Which one is limit, since Jesus himself know the day and hour, why LIe the son doesn't know ? Why lie only the Father knows ?