Barristter07:


Either holy spirit is not a person or it's a person that knows,making two people and Jesus lied by saying only the Father ... One is true.

Barristter07:


Counter wetin.. if only you know the soup you find yourself with that quote.

Perfect counter : SINCE HOLY SPIRIT A PERSON KNOWS, IT MEANS THERE ARE TWO PERSONS THAT KNOW AND JESUS LIED ONLY ONE PERSON KNOWS ?

Barristter07:


wahala for who dey lie o

How can someone say ONLY the Father know when a part of him knows ? Isn't that a LIE. Answer me

Emusan:


Here is my point again:

Coming from a deluded JWs who believes that Jehovah is all-knowing but can selectively use that attribute.

Which means Jehovah can choose to know something and also choose not to know.

We can as well say Jehovah is lying.

But see them foaming in their lying mouth about Jesus!

Hypocrite!

livingchrist:
He is fooling himself, according to watch tower Jehovah can choose to know something's and choose not to know, so can we also say a part of Jehovah knows and a part does not know?
They think we dont know their satanic deep secret

Emusan:


Here is my point again:

Coming from a deluded JWs who believes that Jehovah is all-knowing but can selectively use that attribute.

Which means Jehovah can choose to know something and also choose not to know.

We can as well say Jehovah is lying.

But see them foaming in their lying mouth about Jesus!

Hypocrite!

Emusan:


Where did Jesus say only ONE PERSON know?

To your deluded mind Jesus lied but the question still remains:

Then how can The Holy Spirit who SEARCHETH ALL THINGS of God and know the very MIND of God won't know the day?

Barristter07:
Y'all are just getting silly more and more

Only the Father knows means ONLY one person knows. How many persons are the Father ? Are you okay at all with that question at bold?

If holy spirit another separate person also know, that makes two persons and Jesus a liar .... Agree ?

Barristter07:


Jehovah didn't say " ONLY so so know " did he ?

Face the beat Man: If Jesus knows, then he lied The son doesn't know but only the Father , yes ?

Emusan:


Still ranting!

Here is my point again:

Coming from a deluded JWs who believes that Jehovah is all-knowing but can selectively use that attribute.

Which means Jehovah can choose to know something and also choose not to know.

We can as well say Jehovah is lying.

But see them foaming in their lying mouth about Jesus!

Hypocrite!

Emusan:


In essence you just pulled that out from your deluded brain.

The question you're still dodging is:

Then how can The Holy Spirit who SEARCHETH ALL THINGS of God and know the very MIND of God won't know the day?

livingchrist:

Going by your logic since paul said Jesus is our only Lord then it means the father is not Lord, right?
The use of 'no one' 'only' is limited and can only be understand withing a given context .
Only the father does not exclude the holy Spirit and certainly does not mean the holy spirit is not a person .

Barristter07:


Father is a person

Holy spirit another person

If both persons knows , Jesus saying ONLY the Father ( a single person ) knows means He lied ? I want an honest answer .

Barristter07:
Jesus said ONLY the Father knows, you idiots said The son also knows , which means when he said NOT even the son knows, he was lying. Use your sense

Emusan:


You idiot say Jehovah has right to use His all-knowing attribute then when Jehovah said "Now I know" means Jehovah was lying because He knows already.

Don't bother to use your sense.

Barristter07:

That analogy doesn't work because we are told earlier that It was the Father that appointed Jesus as Lord.

So the problem with the Bolded is - Two persons know which willake Jesus a liar , cos the Father is just one person.

Emusan:


See this deluded one!

You want me to answer your question without answering mine!

The question you're still dodging is:

Then how can The Holy Spirit who SEARCHETH ALL THINGS of God and know the very MIND of God won't know the day?

Barristter07:


He didn't know. , now I know is factual. He choose not to know. And he didn't until that moment.

Back to the Matter , How could ONLY the Father knows be true when The Son knows already ?

livingchrist:
hahahaha, if it cannot work here neither can it apply to what Jesus was saying.
The Holy spirit is God so he knows that is why Jesus did not include him.

livingchrist:


How could only Jesus be Lord if the father is also Lord? Same applies to what Jesus said no shifting goal post.


Cc Emusan

Barristter07:

You are deluded, I told you the former case is a case of appointment.
Who appoint The Father as the only one that knows ?

livingchrist:
you are very daft! Appointment or no appointment has nothing to do with Jesus being the only Lord that has authority over the church.

My question stands, since Jesus is the only Lord (appointed or not) over the church going by your logic the father is not Lord.
Yeye

Barristter07:


Appointment cancel your logic. He who appoint doesn't lose his position. He has power over the appointed

Who appoint the Father at Matt 24:36 ?

Until then , you have to face the music .

livingchrist:
Jesus is Omniscience, He knows all things,

John 16:30
Now are we sure that thou knowest all things, and needest not that any man should ask thee: by this we believe that thou camest forth from God.

Only Jehovah knows all things

#objection# why didnt Jesua know the time of his coming?

*answer*

John 1:14
And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Hebrews 2:9
But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.


Jesus took on flesh and became a human, Je was a little lower than the angels hence limited as a human but not as God.
Jesus could at limit himself to his humanity only.


Jesus is the created all things and without him not a single created thing can exist

#objection# But God created Jesus first and then used him to create all other things as stated in proverb 8:22

Proverbs 8:22 The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.




*answer* proverb 8 is a poetic language describing the superiority of wisdom abover every other thing.
Let's look at the hebrew interpretation of that verse,

Lexicon
The LORD
יְֽהוָ֗ה (Yah·weh)
Noun - proper - masculine singular
Strong's Hebrew 3068: LORD -- the proper name of the God of Israel

possessed me
קָ֭נָנִי (qā·nā·nî)
Verb - Qal - Perfect - third person masculine singular | first person common singular
Strong's Hebrew 7069: To erect, create, to procure, by purchase, to own

at the beginning
רֵאשִׁ֣ית (rê·šîṯ)
Noun - feminine singular construct
Strong's Hebrew 7225: The first, in place, time, order, rank

of His work,
דַּרְכּ֑וֹ (dar·kōw)
Noun - common singular construct | third person masculine singular
Strong's Hebrew 1870: A road, a course of life, mode of action

before
קֶ֖דֶם (qe·ḏem)
Noun - masculine singular construct
Strong's Hebrew 6924: The front, of place, time

His deeds
מִפְעָלָ֣יו (mip̄·‘ā·lāw)
Noun - masculine plural construct | third person masculine singular
Strong's Hebrew 4659: A work, something made

of old.
מֵאָֽז׃ (mê·’āz)
Preposition-m | Adverb
Strong's Hebrew 227: At that time, place, therefore

The word qanani has a host of meaning, the meaning of a particular word is determined not just by its dictionary meaning but also by the context or place in which it is used, in other words we must consider the combined words and its purpose to expolate its meaning.
While the word qanani can mean, create, possess, to erect, etc the whole of this poetry do not suggest God literally creating wisdom but putting wisdom as the prime quality in all his doings.

The word translated as works is darker which means a course of life, or the way a person lives.

Can you take it to mean wisdom was created before God's principles or God's way of life, that means before wisdom was created God did not have any principle, meaning Jehovah was not God before wisdom was created, certainly not so there must be another interpretation, Which is Jehovah set wisdom as his first principle before others.

So wisdom was never created and if wisdom was never created Jesus who is the wisdom of God was also never created.

Feel free to drop your question in a civil way to avoid ignominy and derailment.


Digest this first I will be bringing out more

MightySparrow:
what do God use to create Jesus?

livingchrist:
Jesus is not a servant but took the form of a servant.

Philippians 2:7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:



I believe this is one of the most compelling truth about Jesus deity is Philippians 2.
He made himself of no reputation, meaning he had a reputation, his reputation was not taken away but he willing veiled it.
He took the form by himself he didnt has the form of a servant before taking that form
When he took the form of a servant, he was made a human.
Christ was took the position of a servant before he was sent.

Christ cannot be angel micheal because angel Michael is a servant, Michael cannot take the form of what he is already.

Before Jesus took the form of a servant he was not a servant
For him to be a servant, less than the father he had to take that form.

Take note, he took the form of a servant before he was made in the likeness of men.

The Angels including Michael are by their form servants,

Hebrews 1:14
Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?

Janosky:


Acts3:13. Revelation 3:12, John 20:17. Matthew 10:32 In heaven and earth Jesus remains the servant of his God and Father.

Bros, no dey DECEIVE yourself

livingchrist:
He is fooling himself, according to watch tower Jehovah can choose to know something's and choose not to know, so can we also say a part of Jehovah knows and a part does not know?
They think we dont know their satanic deep secret

livingchrist:

See this one
Is a high priest not a servant of God?

Is Jesus not a high priest in heaven?

So Jesus still holds the servant/minster position, even in heaven.
Only a human can be a priest, so Jesus remains a human in heaven.

John 17:5, 22,24.. Jesus Christ is teaching to receive SENSE. go figure out the truth.
Or SENSE will desert you

Emusan:


Here is my point again:

Coming from a deluded JWs who believes that Jehovah is all-knowing but can selectively use that attribute.

Which means Jehovah can choose to know something and also choose not to know.

We can as well say Jehovah is lying.

But see them foaming in their lying mouth about Jesus!

Hypocrite!