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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Sundayedem(m): 8:39pm On Dec 14, 2020
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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Godisgreatest1: 8:47pm On Dec 14, 2020
Takoro13:

Please share here the email address so that others can do same. Maybe they have a reasonable resolution when they witness huge complaints

The email:

customercare@dangote.com


You can send a mail to them so we can compare the response. Lets know if it's a 'robot' that replied or human. Thank you.

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by aghaibiam(f): 10:27pm On Dec 14, 2020
I am getting frustrated with aedc.I applied for prepaid meter for my new house and I have not been given an account to pay into.No light in my house except I use gen.The aedc office has refused to connect me on estimated billing.
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by blackboy(m): 11:12pm On Dec 14, 2020
If it is AEDC visit their office. Meet marketer in charge of your area. There is a form you will get fill it . they will guide you. Less than 3 weeks i got my meter. got a call to come pick it and they followed me to install it. which area in abuja?
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Cindino20(m): 11:39pm On Dec 14, 2020
n3xt:


Thanks bro for your question.

My plasterboard guy is out of reach for some time now. I’m also not a POP contractor so I might not be able to do exactly what you’re looking for. I’m just an enduser like you and every other enquiry minds here.

However, here’s something I do whenever I’m working on POP and many other finishing works that are billed per m² :

1. Get a Breakdown Cost

Unfortunately I do not always accept a per m² on most of my bids. I always ask my tradespeople to furnish me with a quote which includes an outline plan for how the money estimated will be spent, and a breakdown of the items it will be spent on.

I always encourage the bidder to include his best rates as I don’t like doing too much negotiations.

The reason I don’t accept per m² billing is simply because I don't feel comfortable having someone bill a fixed rate for a specific element of the works that is not yet defined in enough detail for him to accurately price.

E.g. I don’t like too many decorations on my ceiling (just plain and cornices) but my wife would like us to have quoin, ceiling rose, dome, archs, cornices etc in some part of the project . Despite the difference, we were billed the same amount N8,000 per m²

2. My Build Route: Owner-Builder Approach

When building projects get to finishing stage, I always switch mode from a general contractor (a GC) to owner-builder/owner-contractor mode to physically handle some of the finishing work on my own.

This means I planned to exclude GCs (and their fees) altogether, and intend to directly oversee all the skilled trade subcontractors who do the actual field work.

The whole effort is to save money - nothing more.

Given this background, let’s compare costs of installing a traditional POP ceiling (using gypsum plaster) vs using plasterboard in a 12m² room.


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POP Ceiling

POP Ceiling per m² - #8,000 (material and labour cost as at today)
POP Ceiling per m² - #800 - #1,500 (cost varies per design)
Bag of POP Cement - #10,200
Kg of POP sponge - #3,500

Number of Cornices* / Bag of POP Cemen - 7 (big cornice)

Note: smaller cornices can produce as much as 12 pcs per bag or even more. A 12m² room will use maximum of 1.5 bags of POP cement for cornice production.


Cost of 12m² room (#8,000 x 12m²) = #96,000 (material and labour)

Cost of 12m² room (#800 x 12m²) = #9,600 (labour only for cornice and screeding of a plain design)

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Plasterboard

Plasterboard installation per m² = #12,000 (materials and labour cost as at today)
1.2 x 3m sheet of plasterboard = #7,000 - #9,000

* A sheet of 1.2 x 3m plasterboard will cover 3.6m². A 12m² room will require 3.5 plasterboards (estimated at #31,500)

** Professional installation of plasterboard (including the grills) is charged at 1,500 per m² (newly adjusted rate).

*** We are not installing the plasterboards the professional way as it’ll be used as a replacement for the POP boards. The 3 boards will be screwed to the ceiling noggin and held in place with the help of the cornices. The experience of the installer matters a lot here.

**** Adding the cost of producing 15m - 20m cornice and the cost of screeding a 12m² ceiling, plus the cost of hanging the plasterboards (N6k max), the total cost of installing a 12m² ceiling using Plasterboard as a replacement for the conventional POP boards will still be #10 - #15k cheaper.



Thank you very much for the detailed analysis.

C.
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by coldcandy: 11:48pm On Dec 14, 2020
Sundayedem:
Best Roofing Materials Limited has been in existence since 2010 and we are recognized nationwide for our genuine customer service and our products are nothing short from quality materials imported from New Zealand with about 50 years warranty. We specialize in supply and installation of

* Stone coated roofing sheet
* Aluminium roofing sheet
*Aluminum doors and windows
* water collector and roof cutter

We also render service in wood work construction and our team are gives the best service.

We operate nationwide

For more enquiries please call/send us a Whatsap message on 08059005022

Below are some of our recent roofing cmpletion contract

How much will you supply stonecoated sheets in abuja? Bond, Romano.
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by DFAMEGUY11S(m): 5:19am On Dec 15, 2020
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by n3xt(m): 6:16am On Dec 15, 2020
Cindino20:


Thank you very much for the detailed analysis.

C.

You’re welcome.

Alternative Building Solutions

Building a house, no matter what size, is increasingly becoming more expensive nowadays due to the rising cost of building materials.

When it comes to building in Nigeria, most people typically think more about traditional construction materials such as wood, concrete and bricks.
However, with the rising cost of building materials, homeowners/builders need to get CREATIVE with the types of materials they choose for their projects. It’s possible for you to choose alternative building materials that can help lower the cost of your project.

If you are going to use alternative building solutions in your project, it is important to find a builder/installer who knows how to implement the solution as conventional installation techniques cannot be used in most cases.

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Pic 1 - Using timber for Raft in 2011
Pic 2 - Using timber for Slab in 2011
Pic 3 - Acquiring film-faced plywoods as alternative to timber formwork for a slabwork in 2013
Pic 4 - Using film-faced plywoods as an alternative to timber for raft formwork in 2013

The question remains “Is plywood cheaper than timber?” The answer is NO if you’re comparing the market retail price.

However, if you’re considering the following:

- reduced labour cost
- time to setup
- resale value
- reusable
- cleaner and more sturdy construction
- storage
- ease of use

Then the cost of using plywood as an alternative to timber is far more cheaper.

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by n3xt(m): 6:36am On Dec 15, 2020
Alternative Building Solutions

One would naturally assume steel is more expensive than wood.

When I got into the formwork rental business, I realized this was partly true. Steel shutters are more cheaper in the long run than marine board formwork.

You can reuse them for years and their resale value is higher. There are columns forms that I’ve been using for over 8 years without any defect.

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Pic 1 - Plywood formwork for Columns
Pic 2 - Steel shutters for columns
Pic 3 - Fixing the plywood formwork
Pic 4 - Fixing the steel forms (requires little or no experience)

A timber formwork would require more effector to install and strike out when used than any of the alternative solutions above. Hence, the higher cost of installation.

If you think about it, for every project where timbers are used (for every house) you will need to buy bags of nail, bundles of binding wires, wood for props, etc. You won’t require need to buy the same (or at least same quantity) when you’re using the alternatives (plywood or steel) and the rental rate is far cheaper.

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by n3xt(m): 6:42am On Dec 15, 2020
All images and construction methods shared above are from NextHome’s imaginary projects and pompous dispositions done several years ago.

But the question remains:

Am I the one looking for alternative building solution in 2020? No!

Am I the one buying cement at ridiculous prices? No!

Have I proferred a solution or not? (whether workable or not) Yes!

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The art of being wise is knowing what to overlook.

Good morning and have a great day!

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Jasobry: 7:14am On Dec 15, 2020
n3xt:
Alternative Building Solutions

One would naturally assume steel is more expensive than wood.

When I got into the formwork rental business, I realized this was partly true. Steel shutters are more cheaper in the long run than marine board formwork.

You can reuse them for years and their resale value is higher. There are columns forms that I’ve been using for over 8 years without any defect.

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Pic 1 - Plywood formwork for Columns
Pic 2 - Steel shutters for columns
Pic 3 - Fixing the plywood formwork
Pic 4 - Fixing the steel forms (requires little or no experience)

A timber formwork would require more effector to install and strike out when used than any of the alternative solutions above. Hence, the higher cost of installation.

If you think about it, for every project where timbers are used (for every house) you will need to buy bags of nail, bundles of binding wires, wood for props, etc. You won’t require need to buy the same (or at least same quantity) when you’re using the alternatives (plywood or steel) and the rental rate is far cheaper.


I've always thought about the use of steel rather than wood,we just waste trees in this part of the world. I will want to do it as a rental business in my location. Where over 500 structures are springing up

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by n3xt(m): 7:20am On Dec 15, 2020
Jasobry:


I've always thought about the use of steel rather than wood,we just waste trees in this part of the world. I will want to do it as a rental business in my location. Where over 500 structures are springing up

It’s a very good business.

My friend Bameda is making a great kill in Ajah/Lekki axis since 2014 or thereabout when he started.

You only need a very good truck and few experienced guys to handle the assembling and the disassembling of the shutters.

You can get more ideas from Asian construction sites. I give it to those guys on alternative building solutions. They’re unlike us when it comes to exploring options.

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They’ve even started making steel windows (with wood finishes) as an alternative to aluminum and PVC windows.

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The last mile is less crowded. Go to the last mile.
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by uncleteeh(m): 7:23am On Dec 15, 2020
Jasobry:


I've always thought about the use of steel rather than wood,we just waste trees in this part of the world. I will want to do it as a rental business in my location. Where over 500 structures are springing up
Good one sir, I'm looking up to a Nigeria where we use steel for all formworks rather than woods that are expensive and get wasted at the end.
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by n3xt(m): 7:39am On Dec 15, 2020
Alternative Building Solutions

Tiles installed on backerboards used to clad steel columns. This was done as alternative to the traditional in-situ columns thus saving some money.

Location: Ikota, Lagos Nigeria.
Done: 2014

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The possibilities is endless.

Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by erico2k2(m): 8:57am On Dec 15, 2020
zuraking:
we are both on the same page. I think the answer isn't here as the plasterboard alternative I am hearing doesn't have FULL details.

We have been sitting and watching after plaster for miracle to happen cos I CAN'T buy pop cement for 9000.
I think the Plasterboard is good to go cos down here its what we use, however, there are paint design you can put on them

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by n3xt(m): 9:22am On Dec 15, 2020
Plasterboard Installation

One of the biggest lies professional plasterboard installers will tell you is that it is unprofessional to install the boards directly to wood studs (e.g. noggins, wood partitions etc) grin grin

Is that true? NO!

To install plasterboards on wood studs, apply plasterboard adhesive (C1) before hanging and use screw gun to attach the boards to your frame. Nothing will happen to the boards cool

Why do I need to buy plasterboard metal studs/profiles when I have my noggins correctly installed undecided

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Pic 1 - Amateur installers abroad hanging plasterboards directly to wood studs.


In Nigeria, there's always a problem for every solution.

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Nobody: 9:33am On Dec 15, 2020
Jasobry:


I've always thought about the use of steel rather than wood,we just waste trees in this part of the world. I will want to do it as a rental business in my location. Where over 500 structures are springing up
which location is that?
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by n3xt(m): 9:34am On Dec 15, 2020
While at it, there's kalsiboard from Nigerite sold at 9,000 per pc. It's a game changer and it has been in the market for years. I think it was launched into the market in 2013.

Check https://www.nigeritelimited.com/en/products/building-boards/kalsi-boards for kalsi board application

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Pic 1 - If innovative construction methods like this is what you're looking for, stop patronizing those who believe Nigeria is still a village. Do more research. The solutions are out there.

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by n3xt(m): 9:59am On Dec 15, 2020
Alternative Building Solution

Check out the construction of this popular showhouse by Nigerite on Lekki axis. The project sitting on 60sqm footprint cost about 14 - 16m (carcassing and finishes excluding foundation)

https://www.livinspaces.net/projects/architecture/cromrite-office-in-lagos-by-kalsi-dry-constructionnigerite/

Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Gigaset: 10:00am On Dec 15, 2020
Kudos to you sir is about time we start thinking out of the box am impressed with your write up thanks for shearing smiley
n3xt:
While at it, there's kalsiboard from Nigerite sold at 9,000 per pc. It's a game changer and it has been in the market for years. I think it was launched into the market in 2013.

Check https://www.nigeritelimited.com/en/products/building-boards/kalsi-boards for kalsi board application

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Pic 1 - If innovative construction methods like this is what you're looking for, stop patronizing those who believe Nigeria is still a village. Do more research. The solutions are out there.

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Takoro13(m): 10:33am On Dec 15, 2020
Godisgreatest1:


The email:

customercare@dangote.com


You can send a mail to them so we can compare the response. Lets know if it's a 'robot' that replied or human. Thank you.

Can you see this

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by okeyglm: 10:47am On Dec 15, 2020
nigeria building engineers are too primitive. we don't use fly ash blocks which doesn't need plastering. we waste too much steel and timber and screeding. They are a lot of alternatives

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by mountmoriah(m): 10:47am On Dec 15, 2020
n3xt:
Plasterboard Installation

One of the biggest lies professional plasterboard installers will tell you is that it is unprofessional to install the boards directly to wood studs (e.g. noggins, wood partitions etc) grin grin

Is that true? NO!

To install plasterboards on wood studs, apply plasterboard adhesive (C1) before hanging and use screw gun to attach the boards to your frame. Nothing will happen to the boards cool

Why do I need to buy plasterboard metal studs/profiles when I have my noggins correctly installed undecided

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Pic 1 - Amateur installers abroad hanging plasterboards directly to wood studs.


In Nigeria, there's always a problem for every solution.
true

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Godisgreatest1: 10:47am On Dec 15, 2020
Takoro13:

Can you see this

Same response...so this is an automated response.
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by mountmoriah(m): 11:00am On Dec 15, 2020
if u need any of this let us know, it affordable and smart, thanks

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by mountmoriah(m): 11:01am On Dec 15, 2020
more designs still available

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by sinorte: 11:03am On Dec 15, 2020
Is it advisable one installs electrical fittings before painting?
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by stevemims(m): 11:04am On Dec 15, 2020
I got the same response. [/quote]

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by BuildingProject: 11:20am On Dec 15, 2020
Is there anyone here that supplies this type of fillings? Like 15-20 trucks needed. Contact if you can do it around ikola Rd. Alagbado. Lagos

Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by JustCryptos: 11:59am On Dec 15, 2020
mountmoriah:
if u need any of this let us know, it affordable and smart, thanks

What's the price range?
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by n3xt(m): 12:10pm On Dec 15, 2020
okeyglm:
nigeria building engineers are too primitive. we don't use fly ash blocks which doesn't need plastering. we waste too much steel and timber and screeding. They are a lot of alternatives

Our friend brunofarad (a specialist in the brick tiles world) can say a lot about this.
Fly Ash is a huge blessing to us in this part of the world but our construction pros seems to know in part (even paving stone experts use it).

The brick tiles in the picture attached is made by pouring a mixture of flyash, quarry dust, gypsum and hydrated lime in a mixing container, then mixing thoroughly with appropriate water volume. The mixture is then transferred to a hydraulic brick molding machine to be molded to desired shapes and forms after which the molded bricks are left to air dry accordingly.


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Picture credit: Farad Contractors

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by mountmoriah(m): 12:13pm On Dec 15, 2020
JustCryptos:


What's the price range?
4 sitting is N90k, 6 is N140k with marble top

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