Because we know the ideas of men can fail but not of God.

Because we know that our God is wiser than all the professors of this world put together .

Because the Bible tells us in :

Proverbs 14:12 KJV
There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.


Which means we should trust God more than men.

enilove:
Because we know the ideas of men can fail but not of God.

Because we know that our God is wiser than all the professors of this world put together .

Because the Bible tells us in :
Proverbs 14:12 KJV
There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.

Which means we should trust God more than men.

Bull Sheet! The ideas of men can fail? We same ideas we seek to implement with the money we except to obtain from God?
God is wiser than all the professors yet in most of your every lives and churchesss, you celebrate those among you who are learned professionals/professors educated in the ideas of, you guessed it, men?
God demands that those who believe in Him ought to trust Him absolutely, instead you suggest that instead God wants partial trust - "trust God MORE than men"?

Typical African setting

NewDelhi:

True in which direction?

1) That is in Conference to make money? Ans= If Free, Not True, People will be there.

If Paid, 5 People will be there, Therefore, Also Not True!

2) Church Program? Ans= True as to the Picture of the Crowd in Church But Not True as to Making Money!

Opportunities is not meant for every one, if you are a Christian, be a wise one, if you are a business man, also make out time for spiritual things.

Freestainworld:
Opportunities is not meant for every one, if you are a Christian, be a wise one, if you are a business man, also make out time for spiritual things.

When Jesus Christ approached His disciples, many of them were already working a businessss men, yet He instead called them AWAY from their professionals, to instead serve the Will of God for the rest of their days.

Are you certain that what you suggest there has to do with the example that Jesus set for His followers?

Also what "spiritual things" do you ask these business men to make out time for? Did God call His followers to make out time for that which concerns Him or for them t devote their entire lives to doing His bidding?

Kobojunkie:
Bull Sheet! The ideas of men can fail? We same ideas we seek to implement with the money we except to obtain from God?
God is wiser than all the professors yet in most of your every lives and churchesss, you celebrate those among you who are learned professionals/professors educated in the ideas of, you guessed it, men?
God demands that those who believe in Him ought to trust Him absolutely, instead you suggest that instead God wants partial trust - "trust God MORE than men"?

Is it because in your church you celebrate men it means God is not wiser than them all ?

enilove:

Is it because in your church you celebrate men it means God is not wiser than them all ?

I am not a churchian but I am well aware, as is the rest of the world, that in your many churches, title of men are celebrated almost as if assigned when God Himself when in fact it was all acquired by the ways of men.

Kobojunkie:
I am not a churchian but I am well aware, as is the rest of the world, that in your many churches, title of men are celebrated almost as if assigned when God Himself when in fact it was all acquired by the ways of men.

How many churches have been to and have seen them honouring professors ?

From what the Op posted , it showed Christians honour God and believe Him more than they do for professors .

enilove:

How many churches have been to and have seen them honouring professors ?

From what the Op posted , it showed Christians honour God and believe Him more than they do for professors .

Is " professor" the only "professional" title you are aware of?

I will make this easier for both of us, name one church where man-made titles are not celebrated to date?

OP never showed any such thing as you claim. You simply showed a picture and you jumped to that conclusion all on your own there.

enilove:
Because we know the ideas of men can fail but not of God.

Because we know that our God is wiser than all the professors of this world put together .

Because the Bible tells us in :

Proverbs 14:12 KJV
There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.


Which means we should trust God more than men.

The top world billionaires are found mostly in the business room, not the prayer room.

You are a foolish Christian if you make supplications far more than you work [whether hard work or smart work].

I've seen a whole congregation chanting the mantra "My year of financial breakthrough" since year 2000. This is 2020 and you know what, their levell haven't changed!

Stick with what works bro. It's God programming that permits result. If hard work/smart work is what brings financial abundance, then that's exactly what you should channel your energy to.

Kobojunkie:
Is " professor" the only "professional" title you are aware of?

I will make this easier for both of us, name one church where man-made titles are not celebrated to date?

OP never showed any such thing as you claim. You simply showed a picture and you jumped to that conclusion all on your own there.

I didn't show any picture but just copied the picture which the OP used to create his thread.

I mentioned only professors as an example and the fact that they are well read.

I attend MFM and we don't give any preference to people but to God.

enilove:


I didn't show any picture but just copied the picture which the OP used to create his thread.

I mentioned only professors as an example and the fact that they are well read.

I attend MFM and we don't give any preference to people but to God.

I meant the OP posted a picture and you jumped to that conclusion all on your own.

Well, I am including all man-made titles in my question to you.

Actually at MFM, I am aware that you celebrate man-made titles as well.. What again are your grandDaddy's title of choice? Where they given Him by God or by man?

He is Dr. Olukoya, or something, right? Obviously, it is of importance to him that the Dr be included in front of his name, is it not?

Blabbermouth:

The top world billionaires are found mostly in the business room, not the prayer room.

You are a foolish Christian if you make supplications far more than you work [whether hard work or smart work].

I've seen a whole congregation chanting the mantra "My year of financial breakthrough" since year 2000. This is 2020 and you know what, their levell haven't changed!

Stick with what works bro. It's God programming that permits result. If hard work/smart work is what brings financial abundance, then that's exactly what you should channel your energy to.

You didn't get my point .

To start with , it is foolishness to run after wealth . Not that you should not work and plan but seek God first and Holiness , then God will bless you and , at the end , you will not end in hell .

Read :
Proverbs 15:24 KJV
The way of life is above to the wise, that he may depart from hell beneath.

Matthew 6:33-34 KJV
But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you. [34] Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof.

Mark 4:19 KJV
And the cares of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, and the lusts of other things entering in, choke the word, and it becometh unfruitful.


What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world and end in hell ?

God first . As you are studying and planning for your future commit everything in God's hand . You don't need so much wealth to be happy . The wealth God will grant you will last forever and if you are contented , you will glorify God every day till you die .

Many have attended seminars and have nothing to show for it .

Kobojunkie:
I meant the OP posted a picture and you jumped to that conclusion all on your own.

Well, I am including all man-made titles in my question to you.

Actually at MFM, I am aware that you celebrate man-made titles as well.. What again are your grandDaddy's title of choice? Where they given Him by God or by man?

He is Dr. Olukoya, or something, right? Obviously, it is of importance to him that the Dr be included in front of his name, is it not?

He is a medical doctor and that title has become part of his name and identity . It is not a honorary degree .

You have not given me any example of men we honour in our church , as you claimed .

enilove:

He is a medical doctor and that title has become part of his name and identity . It is not a honorary degree .

You have not given me any example of men we honour in our church , as you claimed .

Na lie... Man's title does not become a part of any one. You choose every single time to include it or not. Of what importance is that title to his person as someone who follows Jesus Christ?
Absolutely none.... Yet your granddaddy or is it "spiritual father" that you folks call them chooses each time to include that title even when he Is in the midst of those who he supposes belong to Jesus Christ and not the world where it matters for anything, why?

Kobojunkie:
Na lie... Man's title does not become a part of any one. You choose every single time to include it or not. Of what importance is that title to his person as someone who follows Jesus Christ?
Absolutely none.... Yet your granddaddy or is it "spiritual father" that you folks call them chooses each time to include that title even when he Is in the midst of those who he supposes belong to Jesus Christ and not the world where it matters for anything, why?

Is he a true doctor or not ?

If he is , what offense does that make.
He became a doctor before becoming a pastor .
His certificates and church registration documents would all bear that title ''DR ''.

Changing it would mean going to court to swear an affidavit .

enilove:

Is he a true doctor or not ?

If he is , what offense does that make.
He became a doctor before becoming a pastor .
His certificates and church registration documents would all bear that title ''DR ''.
Changing it would mean going to court to swear an affidavit .

what has changing certificate to do with this?

Anyways, Matthew was a true tax collector before becoming a disciples of Jesus Christ.
Bartholomew was the son of a royal but that no longer mattered once he came to know Jesus Christ.
Paul was, I believe a Sadducees at the time he came to know Jesus Christ.
Luke, the author of the Gospel according to Luke and the Acts of the Apostles, was supposedly a doctor too

All these men still had their skills and training when they decided instead to walk away with Jesus Christ. Today, 2000 years later, we still refer to them by their first names and not their "professional" titles.

Kobojunkie:
what has changing certificate to do with this?

Anyways, Matthew was a true tax collector before becoming a disciples of Jesus Christ.
Bartholomew was the son of a royal but that no longer mattered once he came to know Jesus Christ.
Paul was, I believe a Sadducees at the time he came to know Jesus Christ.
Luke, the author of the Gospel according to Luke and the Acts of the Apostles, was supposedly a doctor too

All these men still had their skills and training when they decided instead to walk away with Jesus Christ. Today, 2000 years later, we still refer to them by their first names and not their "professional" titles.

And is it written in your Bible that adding titles to your names is a sin ?
.
We are digressing from the point
Is it wrong to trust in God ? Since that is the summary of my post in response to the OP.

If it is not wrong , why this antagonisms ?

enilove:


He is a medical doctor and that title has become part of his name and identity . It is not a honorary degree .

You have not given me any example of men we honour in our church , as you claimed .

Olukoya is no medical doctor. He holds a first degree in microbiology and PhD in genetics.

enilove:



You didn't get my point .

To start with , it is foolishness to run after wealth . Not that you should not work and plan but seek God first and Holiness , then God will bless you and , at the end , you will not end in hell .

Foolishness is not running after wealth. It is running after wealth at the expense of God's will.

Read :
Proverbs 15:24 KJV
The way of life is above to the wise, that he may depart from hell beneath.

Matthew 6:33-34 KJV
But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you. [34] Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof.

The writer and the speaker didn't say - Seek ye alone. He said - seek ye FIRST...
Fact check - Many ministries burned out (or say, didn't achieve their potential) because money was lacking! Even Jesus' ministry had financial pillars.

Mark 4:19 KJV
And the cares of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, and the lusts of other things entering in, choke the word, and it becometh unfruitful.
What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world and end in hell ?

God first . As you are studying and planning for your future commit everything in God's hand . You don't need so much wealth to be happy . The wealth God will grant you will last forever and if you are contented , you will glorify God every day till you die .

Many have attended seminars and have nothing to show for it .

As said before, foolishness is the pursuit for wealth at the expense of your salvation.

1. I'm speaking with respect to the context of the OP's post.
What he meant was - People in need of wealth are going to cry the voice out in a church while the instituted place to source the knowledge for it marks no one in attendance.

In this case, it's not Salvation vs Wealth. It's actually - do you want wealth as a Christian, where ought ye to be?

I have experimented on myself and observed different believers - whether it's sweet to your ears or not, supplicatory prayers is not the key to wealth.
I know many screaming at the top of their voices asking God to return their glory since 2000. Guess what? Them never return that glory till now.

In the pursuit for wealth, wisdom is needed.
There is a kind of wisdom that comes by virtue of your interaction with the cosmos, I call it COSMICAL WISDOM

There is a kind of wisdom that comes by virtue of your diligent dealings with the person of God and HIs word, I call it DIVINE WISDOM.

There is one other wisdom, but I need not to speak of it.

There was this skill I learnt halfway and in the rush to start making money, I started creating awareness and taking it to the dedicated market. Brother, business was dry!
I pray, pray, pray, pray, pray, Oin, nothing changed!

However, by divine wisdom, I got the revelation that God blesses things on just 3 conditions. One of which is - THAT WHICH IS GOOD.
When God blessed the works of his hands, he blessed them for they were GOOD. He is a Mastercraft himself, all the works of his own hands are perfect.
You as a son shouldn't be a bastard. What you do should be so so Good that it's almost perfect.
Solomon caught this revelation and he said - Seeth a man that is diligent in his work, he shall stand before kings.....

So, I upped my skill (became a master in my craft) and tried again. This time, business flourished!

That's why most people hate JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES!

We don't put prayers in place of work, we teach you how to work then you can pray to God for success in your work not praying for you to make money when you're jobless!

enilove:

And is it written in your Bible that adding titles to your names is a sin ?
.
We are digressing from the point
Is it wrong to trust in God ? Since that is the summary of my post in response to the OP.

If it is not wrong , why this antagonisms ?

I see you are now attempting to swing yourself away from your original line of argument.
Let me try to jog your own memory back to where this all started...

enilove:
Because we know the ideas of men can fail but not of God.

Because we know that our God is wiser than all the professors of this world put together .

Because the Bible tells us in :

Proverbs 14:12 KJV
There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.
Which means we should trust God more than men.

Kobojunkie:
Bull Sheet! The ideas of men can fail? We same ideas we seek to implement with the money we except to obtain from God?
God is wiser than all the professors yet in most of your every lives and churchesss, you celebrate those among you who are learned professionals/professors educated in the ideas of, you guessed it, men?
God demands that those who believe in Him ought to trust Him absolutely, instead you suggest that instead God wants partial trust - "trust God MORE than men"?

enilove:

Is it because in your church you celebrate men it means God is not wiser than them all ?

enilove:

I didn't show any picture but just copied the picture which the OP used to create his thread.

I mentioned only professors as an example and the fact that they are well read.

I attend MFM and we don't give any preference to people but to God.

enilove:
Because we know the ideas of men can fail but not of God.

Because we know that our God is wiser than all the professors of this world put together .

Because the Bible tells us in :

Proverbs 14:12 KJV
There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.


Which means we should trust God more than men.

since the start of covid19 till now all Jehovah's witnesses churches are all lockedup with keys & I haven't seen then on Streets with bags what happened

Ezmans:
since the start of covid19 till now all Jehovah's witnesses churches are all lockedup with keys & I haven't seen then on Streets with bags what happened

I don't know what happened since I am not one of them .
But I think because of the fact that they move around often to spread the word of God ,, their leaders must have decided they stop their preachings for now.

Kobojunkie:
I see you are now attempting to swing yourself away from your original line of argument.
Let me try to jog your own memory back to where this all started...

Is like you are not following on your argument and postings .

enilove:


How many churches have been to and have seen them honouring professors ?

From what the Op posted , it showed Christians honour God and believe Him more than they do for professors .

Precisely.

Blabbermouth:

The top world billionaires are found mostly in the business room, not the prayer room.

You are a foolish Christian if you make supplications far more than you work [whether hard work or smart work].

And you're more foolish a Christian if you trust more in the flesh than in God.

Pro 3:5 — Pro 3:6
Trust in the LORD with all thine heart;
and lean not unto thine own understanding.
In all thy ways acknowledge him,
and he shall direct thy paths.

Jer 17:5 — Jer 17:6
Thus saith the LORD; Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the LORD. For he shall be like the heath in the desert, and shall not see when good cometh; but shall inhabit the parched places in the wilderness, in a salt land and not inhabited.


Jer 17:7 — Jer 17:8
Blessed is the man that trusteth in the LORD, and whose hope the LORD is. For he shall be as a tree planted by the waters, and that spreadeth out her roots by the river, and shall not see when heat cometh, but her leaf shall be green; and shall not be careful in the year of drought, neither shall cease from yielding fruit

Trusting does not mean you should not work or study. It rather enhance your effort by crowning it with success.

petra1:


And you're more foolish a Christian if you trust more in the flesh than in God.

Pro 3:5 — Pro 3:6
Trust in the LORD with all thine heart;
and lean not unto thine own understanding.
In all thy ways acknowledge him,
and he shall direct thy paths.

Jer 17:5 — Jer 17:6
Thus saith the LORD; Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the LORD. For he shall be like the heath in the desert, and shall not see when good cometh; but shall inhabit the parched places in the wilderness, in a salt land and not inhabited.


Jer 17:7 — Jer 17:8
Blessed is the man that trusteth in the LORD, and whose hope the LORD is. For he shall be as a tree planted by the waters, and that spreadeth out her roots by the river, and shall not see when heat cometh, but her leaf shall be green; and shall not be careful in the year of drought, neither shall cease from yielding fruit

Trusting does not mean you should not work or study. It rather enhance your effort by crowning it with success.

Petra my beloved, do not be beclouded by sentiments and emotions please. Check the picture the OP posted - it connoted that Christians in need of wealth are in mass prayer meeting to provoke whatever blessing, whereas the instituted place dedicated for such marks none of them in attendance.

However, the way God handles one that is of his own is different from the way God handles people who are do not acknowledge him, or say, do not fully belong to him.

Egypt, despite being the tormentors of the Israelites didn't pray to God (for they knew him not), yet the land was green and everything flourished!

The Israelites that were of God, in many cases starved, thirsted, groaned and murmured. Unlike the Egyptians, they MOSTLY had to ASK God before he provided.
Like in the case of manna falling from heaven. Like in the case of Moses striking a rock. And so on.

I've ventured into some investment with people who are not Christian, and those that really don't take God serious. Guess what? Despite all the glad tidings written about the children of God in the Bible, while the others were smiling to the bank, I was gnashing my teeth.
Then, I noticed that everytime I cry out to the lord with brokeness (just like the Israelites), I get a green day. Whenever I don't, Oin, nothing comes forth.
PS: That crying out (not literal though) doesn't pass 2 minutes. I will rather expend 3hours reading the bible than waste it on - O God, give me this, O God, give me that.

I'm still experimenting, but I believe that is actually to instill something to me as a son. When I grab the lesson, I won't have to call everyday before he shepherds me financially.

In summary;
If you are a Christian, it is requires that you seek wisdom and understanding.
Hard work or smart work should not be replaced with prayer. Be diligent and ask of him, watch him bless the work of your hands just as he did to his.

Keep doing your 5-hours O God, give me this... I'm betting my left testicle, even if your level changed, it wasn't because of your lengthy prayers, you just happen to encounter God's mercy.

God did not promise anyone special favor when it comes to wealth, Satan is the one in charge of world's wealth {1John 5:19} so everything the heart lust after is in his hand {1John 2:15-17} and he only distribute it to those who are doing his will! Luke 4:6

Gone are those days when God's servants also have the right to compete with Satan's agents in the pursuit of riches, from the day John the baptist began preparing the Jews for the arrival of the Messiah things have changed. Satan now use riches to distract people from focusing on the most important thing everlasting life. Matthew 11:12
If you don't have the liver as in fully determined to concentrate on the prize (everlasting life) Satan will manipulate you! Luke 13:24
So whatever it will cost you to get into God's kingdom just be prepared to let go! Matthew 6:24 compared to Luke 18:18-23

May you have PEACE!

petra1:


And you're more foolish a Christian if you trust more in the flesh than in God.

Pro 3:5 — Pro 3:6
Trust in the LORD with all thine heart;
and lean not unto thine own understanding.
In all thy ways acknowledge him,
and he shall direct thy paths.

Jer 17:5 — Jer 17:6
Thus saith the LORD; Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the LORD. For he shall be like the heath in the desert, and shall not see when good cometh; but shall inhabit the parched places in the wilderness, in a salt land and not inhabited.


Jer 17:7 — Jer 17:8
Blessed is the man that trusteth in the LORD, and whose hope the LORD is. For he shall be as a tree planted by the waters, and that spreadeth out her roots by the river, and shall not see when heat cometh, but her leaf shall be green; and shall not be careful in the year of drought, neither shall cease from yielding fruit

Trusting does not mean you should not work or study. It rather enhance your effort by crowning it with success.

Opportunities is not meant for every one, if you are a Christian, be a wise one, if you are a business man, also make out time for spiritual things.