I'm a prospective medical doctor, this post is not meant to vindicate doctors of their wrongdoings, (NO SIREE i'll save that for my kid) but to rather make us appreciate them and to sensitize us to little things we overlook.
The first core principle of medical profession is to harm no one ,also THE PRINCIPLE OF INTERNAL MEDICINE BY HARRISON said and i quote "no greater responsibilities,no greater obligations can befall on lot of human than to be a physician"
sometimes i am pained when people accuse nigerian doctors of professional malpractise, when our counterparts abroad have a more convenient and conducive workplace. i read it somewhere ,when a lad said the chances of a dog surviving cancer in the U.S is greater than the chances of human being surviving cancer in Nigeria .I bet what has been running through your mind is how manage,truth be told the numbers of LINACS(linear accelerator is a radiotherapeutic machine for treatment of malignant cells) for dogs in U.S is about 25 folds the number of linacs in nigeria for treating human.
I came across a post and i am going to share it here.The post is centered around some u.s residents doctors whose dire hard work has landed them on the spotlight of depression,medical negligence,inability to carry out responsibilities properly,broken relationships with families and friends
“I did my internship in internal medicine and residency in neurology before laws existed to regulate resident hours. My first two years were extremely brutal, working 110 to 120 hours/week, and up to 40 hours straight. I got to witness colleagues collapse unconscious in the hallway during rounds, and I recall once falling asleep in the bed of an elderly comatose woman while trying to start an IV on her in the wee hours of the morning.”
“I have made numerous medication errors from being over tired. I also more recently misread an EKG because I was so tired I literally couldn’t see straight. She actually had a subarachnoid hemorrhage, and by misreading the EKG, I spent too much time on her heart and didn’t whisk her back to CT when she came in code blue. She died.”
“After a 36-hour shift, I fell asleep and began dreaming while walking home — repeatedly. It was a four-block walk.”
In general surgery residency, I had one week in which I worked 125 hours … I did a weekend of 72 hours in which I only got 4 hours of sleep. I would secretly hope to get in a car accident and maybe break a leg so that I would be forced to take off from work … just so I could get some rest.”
“During intern year at a program with a nominal 80-hour work week, I worked 100 hours per week for most of a month. I was interviewing a patient when I suddenly realized that I could not remember what I had just asked. I excused myself abruptly and rushed down the hall where I collapsed on the bathroom floor. I leaned against the wall and felt relaxed for the first time in weeks. My face was wet, and I realized I was sobbing. I was so unaware of how exhausted and impaired I had become. I cried because I was tired, and also because the patient I was seeing deserved better attention and care than I was capable of providing. I couldn’t remember any details of his chest pain or risk factors for heart attack. I couldn’t even remember his name or his face. Only that he was friendly and he trusted me. I felt intensely guilty for not being able to stay awake, let alone think like a doctor. I nodded off while crying, propped up against the wall. I woke up and forgave myself. I think I was away from him for less than 10 minutes. I walked back into his exam room and said, “Where were we? Let’s start at the beginning to make sure I get this right. Because what you are saying is really important.” That month during my evaluation, my program director told me that my total number of work hours was a sign of inefficiency. I later learned that others were also working 80 to 100 hours per week, but they falsified their hours to avoid criticism.”
“I was so sleep deprived that I’d fall asleep while writing patient notes and write my dreams into the notes. I’ve fallen asleep on a pile of charts only to have the nurses cover me with blankets. I woke panicked because I was hours behind in my work. I’ve fallen asleep standing up in surgery and witnessed my attending doctors fall asleep while doing surgery. I actually passed out at the end of a 36-hour shift and woke up on a stretcher in the recovery room.”
“A dear friend from med school died during her neurosurgery residency. Drove over a median into a tractor-trailer after a 30+ hour shift. She left behind her family, including a twin sister and her fiance. She was 30.”
“I had married the year before residency, and for that first two years, I was either at work or asleep, so didn’t see my wife, and it was the start of the erosion of the relationship that led years later to divorce. I also suffered permanent health problems from extreme sleep deprivation. Prior to residency, I slept fine (8 hours per night) and had regular bowel habits. Since my internship, I developed lifelong severe insomnia, and went for decades on 4 to 5 hours of sleep/night, as well as severe constipation, using the toilet about every five days
“I was struck down with a very severe depression in the context of emotional conflicts and severe sleep deprivation, after doing a surgical rotation with every other night call and lots of degrading comments from the surgeons recommending that I go into nursing or teaching instead since those were “good professions for women.” This was 1983. I was supported in the sense that I missed six weeks of medical school without censure while I was too debilitated to move physically. I spent those weeks mainly sitting in a corner of my apartment, crying, and seeing my psychiatrist once/week for therapy and meds.”
Are these the doctors you want to see in the hospital? Protect yourself and your loved ones. Always ask, “How long have you been on your shift, Doc?”
I will also like to share the story of one particular dr dana corriel who is a victim of malpractise herself
Here's the short of the long
My obstetrician messed up. She took care of my pregnancy during one of the most difficult periods of my life, medical residency. She missed a shot that should have been given. RhoGam, to be exact. (rhogam is an injection given to a pregnant person whose rhesus factor is different from that of the child so that the mother doesn't develop antibodies that kill the fetus.)
“Aren’t you a doctor?”
How did I not know I needed to get the shot? How did being a doctor myself not prevent me from this terribly unnecessary mistake?
I can’t clearly answer this question, because the guilt of it all still weighs heavily on my shoulders. What I can say is that I put 100 percent of my faith into her hands. After all, I had been a completely healthy woman up until then, with no medical issues whatsoever. I never had to double check anything until then because it just wasn’t ever necessary.
I didn’t even know my blood type. Do you?
Plus, I was in residency, back at the time when resident hours were not limited by laws in place today. I easily put in 80 hours — often more — of work in the hospital, with many sleepless nights. I’m not sure how I did it, and pregnant, no less, but I did. The bottom line was that I was doctoring others, and that in itself, was more than enough.
Something else may have contributed to this, and it’s more of a confession: the fact that I wasn’t ready to be a mom. I didn’t keep a week-by-week tracker of my baby’s progress- as other expectant moms-to-be often do- didn’t caress my belly, or even sing the baby lullabies. I was working 36-hour shifts- treating HIV, alleviating sickle crisis pain, even administering CPR.
Finding out
In my third trimester, hospitalized with fever, a resident barged into my room and, no less than three times, asked — or rather accused, in disbelief — if I had been pregnant before, and specifically if I had had an abortion.
“Are you sure?”
“Never?”
“Not even one?”
I get the confusion, in hindsight, of course. Back then, though, it was nothing short a painful interrogation. To not only discover my body had reacted in a rare way and that this could have been prevented, but to also have my honesty questioned.
They were hoping it was a mistake, that I was an anomaly, and scampering to find an alternate cause, other than physician negligence.
In hindsight — which, in medicine, is always 20-20 — and in speaking with many obstetricians since, it turns out RhoGam is considered an automatic knee-jerk injection to those in the field. It rarely gets missed in this day and age.
But it was! I was missed!
Please excuse the exclamation marks, but my urge to scream out these words fails to be subdued by my need to maintain medical professionalism. It’s an adult-style tantrum. We all need these sometimes because they serve as alternatives to lawsuits and therapy.
The after
After it happened, my pregnancies became high risk. The antibodies my body made were stored forever, consequently multiplying with each one. They waited like weapons, ready for attack. For me, high-risk translated into frequent doctor’s appointments at the high-risk clinic, close monitoring and weekly ultrasounds. There were now the risks of fetal hemolytic anemia, jaundice — as the baby’s blood cells popped-fetal heart failure and death.
This was the future I faced..
I know the last story will be shocking that a medical doctor can also be a victim of negligence


copied

Merry Xmas great medics!!

Lordsagna:
I'm a prospective medical doctor, this post is not meant to vindicate doctors of their wrongdoings, (NO SIREE i'll save that for my kid) but to rather make us appreciate them and to sensitize us to little things we overlook.
The first core principle of medical profession is to harm no one ,also THE PRINCIPLE OF INTERNAL MEDICINE BY HARRISON said and i quote "no greater responsibilities,no greater obligations can befall on lot of human than to be a physician"
sometimes i am pained when people accuse nigerian doctors of professional malpractise, when our counterparts abroad have a more convenient and conducive workplace. i read it somewhere ,when a lad said the chances of a dog surviving cancer in the U.S is greater than the chances of human being surviving cancer in Nigeria .I bet what has been running through your mind is how manage,truth be told the numbers of LINACS(linear accelerator is a radiotherapeutic machine for treatment of malignant cells) for dogs in U.S is about 25 folds the number of linacs in nigeria for treating human.
I came across a post and i am going to share it here.The post is centered around some u.s residents doctors whose dire hard work has landed them on the spotlight of depression,medical negligence,inability to carry out responsibilities properly,broken relationships with families and friends
“I did my internship in internal medicine and residency in neurology before laws existed to regulate resident hours. My first two years were extremely brutal, working 110 to 120 hours/week, and up to 40 hours straight. I got to witness colleagues collapse unconscious in the hallway during rounds, and I recall once falling asleep in the bed of an elderly comatose woman while trying to start an IV on her in the wee hours of the morning.”
“I have made numerous medication errors from being over tired. I also more recently misread an EKG because I was so tired I literally couldn’t see straight. She actually had a subarachnoid hemorrhage, and by misreading the EKG, I spent too much time on her heart and didn’t whisk her back to CT when she came in code blue. She died.”
“After a 36-hour shift, I fell asleep and began dreaming while walking home — repeatedly. It was a four-block walk.”
In general surgery residency, I had one week in which I worked 125 hours … I did a weekend of 72 hours in which I only got 4 hours of sleep. I would secretly hope to get in a car accident and maybe break a leg so that I would be forced to take off from work … just so I could get some rest.”
“During intern year at a program with a nominal 80-hour work week, I worked 100 hours per week for most of a month. I was interviewing a patient when I suddenly realized that I could not remember what I had just asked. I excused myself abruptly and rushed down the hall where I collapsed on the bathroom floor. I leaned against the wall and felt relaxed for the first time in weeks. My face was wet, and I realized I was sobbing. I was so unaware of how exhausted and impaired I had become. I cried because I was tired, and also because the patient I was seeing deserved better attention and care than I was capable of providing. I couldn’t remember any details of his chest pain or risk factors for heart attack. I couldn’t even remember his name or his face. Only that he was friendly and he trusted me. I felt intensely guilty for not being able to stay awake, let alone think like a doctor. I nodded off while crying, propped up against the wall. I woke up and forgave myself. I think I was away from him for less than 10 minutes. I walked back into his exam room and said, “Where were we? Let’s start at the beginning to make sure I get this right. Because what you are saying is really important.” That month during my evaluation, my program director told me that my total number of work hours was a sign of inefficiency. I later learned that others were also working 80 to 100 hours per week, but they falsified their hours to avoid criticism.”
“I was so sleep deprived that I’d fall asleep while writing patient notes and write my dreams into the notes. I’ve fallen asleep on a pile of charts only to have the nurses cover me with blankets. I woke panicked because I was hours behind in my work. I’ve fallen asleep standing up in surgery and witnessed my attending doctors fall asleep while doing surgery. I actually passed out at the end of a 36-hour shift and woke up on a stretcher in the recovery room.”
“A dear friend from med school died during her neurosurgery residency. Drove over a median into a tractor-trailer after a 30+ hour shift. She left behind her family, including a twin sister and her fiance. She was 30.”
“I had married the year before residency, and for that first two years, I was either at work or asleep, so didn’t see my wife, and it was the start of the erosion of the relationship that led years later to divorce. I also suffered permanent health problems from extreme sleep deprivation. Prior to residency, I slept fine (8 hours per night) and had regular bowel habits. Since my internship, I developed lifelong severe insomnia, and went for decades on 4 to 5 hours of sleep/night, as well as severe constipation, using the toilet about every five days
“I was struck down with a very severe depression in the context of emotional conflicts and severe sleep deprivation, after doing a surgical rotation with every other night call and lots of degrading comments from the surgeons recommending that I go into nursing or teaching instead since those were “good professions for women.” This was 1983. I was supported in the sense that I missed six weeks of medical school without censure while I was too debilitated to move physically. I spent those weeks mainly sitting in a corner of my apartment, crying, and seeing my psychiatrist once/week for therapy and meds.”
Are these the doctors you want to see in the hospital? Protect yourself and your loved ones. Always ask, “How long have you been on your shift, Doc?”
I will also like to share the story of one particular dr dana corriel who is a victim of malpractise herself
Here's the short of the long
My obstetrician messed up. She took care of my pregnancy during one of the most difficult periods of my life, medical residency. She missed a shot that should have been given. RhoGam, to be exact. (rhogam is an injection given to a pregnant person whose rhesus factor is different from that of the child so that the mother doesn't develop antibodies that kill the fetus.)
“Aren’t you a doctor?”
How did I not know I needed to get the shot? How did being a doctor myself not prevent me from this terribly unnecessary mistake?
I can’t clearly answer this question, because the guilt of it all still weighs heavily on my shoulders. What I can say is that I put 100 percent of my faith into her hands. After all, I had been a completely healthy woman up until then, with no medical issues whatsoever. I never had to double check anything until then because it just wasn’t ever necessary.
I didn’t even know my blood type. Do you?
Plus, I was in residency, back at the time when resident hours were not limited by laws in place today. I easily put in 80 hours — often more — of work in the hospital, with many sleepless nights. I’m not sure how I did it, and pregnant, no less, but I did. The bottom line was that I was doctoring others, and that in itself, was more than enough.
Something else may have contributed to this, and it’s more of a confession: the fact that I wasn’t ready to be a mom. I didn’t keep a week-by-week tracker of my baby’s progress- as other expectant moms-to-be often do- didn’t caress my belly, or even sing the baby lullabies. I was working 36-hour shifts- treating HIV, alleviating sickle crisis pain, even administering CPR.
Finding out
In my third trimester, hospitalized with fever, a resident barged into my room and, no less than three times, asked — or rather accused, in disbelief — if I had been pregnant before, and specifically if I had had an abortion.
“Are you sure?”
“Never?”
“Not even one?”
I get the confusion, in hindsight, of course. Back then, though, it was nothing short a painful interrogation. To not only discover my body had reacted in a rare way and that this could have been prevented, but to also have my honesty questioned.
They were hoping it was a mistake, that I was an anomaly, and scampering to find an alternate cause, other than physician negligence.
In hindsight — which, in medicine, is always 20-20 — and in speaking with many obstetricians since, it turns out RhoGam is considered an automatic knee-jerk injection to those in the field. It rarely gets missed in this day and age.
But it was! I was missed!
Please excuse the exclamation marks, but my urge to scream out these words fails to be subdued by my need to maintain medical professionalism. It’s an adult-style tantrum. We all need these sometimes because they serve as alternatives to lawsuits and therapy.
The after
After it happened, my pregnancies became high risk. The antibodies my body made were stored forever, consequently multiplying with each one. They waited like weapons, ready for attack. For me, high-risk translated into frequent doctor’s appointments at the high-risk clinic, close monitoring and weekly ultrasounds. There were now the risks of fetal hemolytic anemia, jaundice — as the baby’s blood cells popped-fetal heart failure and death.
This was the future I faced..
I know the last story will be shocking that a medical doctor can also be a victim of negligence


copied

Merry Xmas great medics!!

It is a touching story and its painful. I know how painful it is when you're not being appreciated by your countless effort. DrSagna more power to your elbow.
I almost lost my life to bad Doctors because of Wrong Diagnosis and tests. I was given sabutamol , Theophylline and Azithromycin for GERD instead of esomeprazol. My dad did not survive. He was treated for malaria,low blood level. His test shows that his heart beat was way higher and the Doctor did not see it. He was transferred from a Private Hospital to Naval referral hospital then LUTH where he died of Arrhythmia. If you were the Child whose father was diagnosed wrongly for things obvious. How would you feel about Nigeria Doctors neglect.

Zeeknow3245:

Congrats bro. If it is Lucrative that you're looking for,it is up to you to make it happen. Is it good?Yes. I know there's a lot of chemistry in the course and God will see you through. Get ready to see pee,blood,poop,Necrotic flesh,sputum,semen and a lot of things. God speed!!

thanks man

FBB100:
hi guys I just got admitted into MLS in AAU hope the course is good and lucrative

Congrats.
MLS is a very good course.
Just be prepared and study hard.

Zeeknow3245:

It is a touching story and its painful. I know how painful it is when you're not being appreciated by your countless effort. DrSagna more power to your elbow.
I almost lost my life to bad Doctors because of Wrong Diagnosis and tests. I was given sabutamol , Theophylline and Azithromycin for GERD instead of esomeprazol. My dad did not survive. He was treated for malaria,low blood level. His test shows that his heart beat was way higher and the Doctor did not see it. He was transferred from a Private Hospital to Naval referral hospital then LUTH where he died of Arrhythmia. If you were the Child whose father was diagnosed wrongly for things obvious. How would you feel about Nigeria Doctors neglect.

I am so sorry about your Dad. My Dad died at OAUTH also. Although I didn't even know what was really going on with him as I was still a little young (14, not that young though) and my mum and his siblings were in charge of taking him around. They just called one Thursday after about 2 weeks in the hospital and announced that we were fatherless.

HumanCalc:
I am so sorry about your Dad. My Dad died at OAUTH also. Although I didn't even know what was really going on with him as I was still a little young (14, not that young though) and my mum and his siblings were in charge of taking him around. They just called one Thursday after about 2 weeks in the hospital and announced that we were fatherless.

How can somebody have over 200beats and it wasn't obvious? There should be sanctions. Many can't read simple ECG,Radiograph and test results. NMA should do something before the bad eggs crumble every single thing. I won't be a medical Doctor that is for humans. But when I finish my Veterinary degree and work for sometime I will go for my Law degree. I am gonna fokin hunt criminal Doctors who are there to sustain diseases even little like malaria and typhoid without treating them. Nigeria go know me.

Zeeknow3245:

How can somebody have over 200beats and it wasn't obvious? There should be sanctions. Many can't read simple ECG,Radiograph and test results. NMA should do something before the bad eggs crumble every single thing. I won't be a medical Doctor that is for humans. But when I finish my Veterinary degree and work for sometime I will go for my Law degree. I am gonna fokin hunt criminal Doctors who are there to sustain diseases even little like malaria and typhoid without treating them. Nigeria go know me.

Zeeknow3245:

How can somebody have over 200beats and it wasn't obvious? There should be sanctions. Many can't read simple ECG,Radiograph and test results.  NMA should do something before the bad eggs crumble every single thing. I won't be a medical Doctor that is for humans. But when I finish my Veterinary degree and work for sometime I will go for my Law degree. I am gonna fokin hunt criminal Doctors who are there to sustain diseases even little like malaria and typhoid without treating them. Nigeria go know me.
  

Zeeknow3245:

How can somebody have over 200beats and it wasn't obvious? There should be sanctions. Many can't read simple ECG,Radiograph and test results. NMA should do something before the bad eggs crumble every single thing. I won't be a medical Doctor that is for humans. But when I finish my Veterinary degree and work for sometime I will go for my Law degree. I am gonna fokin hunt criminal Doctors who are there to sustain diseases even little like malaria and typhoid without treating them. Nigeria go know me.

finish veterinary medicine and then pursue law degree. God I'm weak!

brain02:

I could have showed you. It was during the critical period and they asked for the ECG. These private Doctors are somewhat not alright

brain02:
finish veterinary medicine and then pursue law degree. God I'm weak!

You think it is funny?When you lose somebody for something as little as Malaria then you will understand. Nigeria Will come to a point where people will stop"Leave it for God, or it is God's plan" attitude. Then it ain't gonna be funny. Don't get amused

Zeeknow3245:

I could have showed you. It was during the critical period and they asked for the ECG. These private Doctors are somewhat not alright

nothing dey this country again abeg..

Zeeknow3245:

You think it is funny?When you lose somebody for something as little as Malaria then you will understand. Nigeria Will come to a point where people will stop"Leave it for God, or it is God's plan" attitude. Then it ain't gonna be funny. Don't get amused

I trust you bro. God on your side you'll do exploits.

Good morning Medicos and Aspirants

The cut off for MEDICINE this Year in Uniben, is it 75 or 79 ?


I'm from Edo state


Scored 80/100 my aggregate is 75

DrImmaculate:

Hello, congratulations on your score. From what I've heard, this year's cutoff is 75. So you stand a great chance especially if you are from catchment. Just keep praying. Hope to have you onboard UnibenMED.

Wow, That's great But Sir is the cut off really 75 or 79 this year ?

Please can someone tell me between RADIOGRAPHY and MEDICAL LAB SCIENCE which is more competitive

i'm so sorry for your loss zeeknow..please accept my condolence..the death of a loved one can be so demoralising and atimes may cloud ones sense of true judgment..i'm not implying that you dont know what u saying sir however i feel there is need for you to clarify some things I highlighted from your statememt if u dont mind

Zeeknow3245:

It is a touching story and its painful. I know how painful it is when you're not being appreciated by your countless effort. DrSagna more power to your elbow.
I almost lost my life to bad Doctors
how do u know the "doctor" that attended to you is truly a qualified medical doctor. many allied health workers and even community health workers and traditonal peeps parde themselves as doctors in private clinic and hospitals..u can easily mix them up
because of Wrong Diagnosis and tests. I was given sabutamol , Theophylline and Azithromycin for GERD instead of esomeprazo
u sound very knowlegeable about your illness, the tests and even the "right" drug to take, why did you bother going to a doctor? to test him?
pls can u tell us the complain you presented with? and some of the "wrong" test the doctor ordered
My dad did not survive. He was treated for malaria,low blood level
how do u know your dad was teated for low blood level, tell us what and what was done as regards the "low blood level" what do u even mean by low blood level? are u refering to anemia..if u meant anemia, well there is a connection between malaria and anemia..malaria lyses red blood cells in the process of their life cycle, this releases haemoglobin which may cause anemia and haemolytic jaundice(though commoner in children).
His test shows that his heart beat was way higher and the Doctor did not see it
high heart beat above 100 is a form of arrythmia called tachycardia..fever generally including sever malaria fever presenting with very high temperature nd anemia(amongst other criteria) may cause tachycardia, treating the malaria fever may have been able to correct the high pulse rate. maybe the doctor knew what he was doing..just maybe..pls what was your dad complaint that made him go to the hospital
..He was transferred from a Private Hospital to Naval referral hospital then LUTH where he died of Arrhythmia
am so sorry sir. pls what did they say caused his arrythmia
If you were the Child whose father was diagnosed wrongly for things obvious. How would you feel about Nigeria Doctors neglec
"for things obvious" hmmm u really sounding like a professor in medicine..u so sure of yourself.

Zeeknow3245:

How can somebody have over 200beats and it wasn't obvious? There should be sanctions. Many can't read simple ECG,Radiograph and test results. NMA should do something before the bad eggs crumble every single thing. I won't be a medical Doctor that is for humans. But when I finish my Veterinary degree and work for sometime I will go for my Law degree. I am gonna fokin hunt criminal Doctors who are there to sustain diseases even little like malaria and typhoid without treating them. Nigeria go know me.

someone can have 100000 beats and it wont be obvious..you have to feel the pulse rate and count it or take your time to interpret it on an ECG..brother medicine is beyong internet and google stuffs cos u sound like someone who is really spending time on google..
hmmm you call reading of ElectroCardioGraphy , radiographs and some test results simple? bros there some ECG tracings, radiographs and test results that can only be interpreted by cardiologist, radiologist and pathologist respectively only and those specialties take minimum of 4 years to attain after 6years of MBBS..
so you want to finish veterinary medicine and start law for the purpose of hunting medical doctors, write another WAEC, jamb all over again for law..so u will be practicing law during the day and vet at night..just look at what a Nigerian youth is spewing abeg..
av gone through ur previous posts and topics about doctors and i can say your hatred for medical students and doctors is palpable, it has weight and is occupying alot of space in your heart..the medicine u once loved and opted for in jamb is what u now loathe..zeeknow u dont have to feel that way ok, its bad energy..vet medicine is also a nice and lucrative course, its a proffesional course..it tedious, cumbersome and they withdraw students alot. pls channel your energy towards achieving great feets in your vet, its high time you started appreciating what you have now or else u gonna loose it too..vet cannot be used a second choice..it needs your passion, all of it or else u will be withrawn..thanks

Alexaonfleek:
Congrats. MLS is a very good course. Just be prepared and study hard.

thanks for the advice

qwertie1234:

someone can have 100000 beats and it wont be obvious..you have to feel the pulse rate and count it or take your time to interpret it on an ECG..brother medicine is beyong internet and google stuffs cos u sound like someone who is really spending time on google..
hmmm you call reading of ElectroCardioGraphy , radiographs and some test results simple? bros there some ECG tracings, radiographs and test results that can only be interpreted by cardiologist, radiologist and pathologist respectively only and those specialties take minimum of 4 years to attain after 6years of MBBS..
so you want to finish veterinary medicine and start law for the purpose of hunting medical doctors, write another WAEC, jamb all over again for law..so u will be practicing law during the day and vet at night..just look at what a Nigerian youth is spewing abeg..
av gone through ur previous posts and topics about doctors and i can say your hatred for medical students and doctors is palpable, it has weight and is occupying alot of space in your heart..the medicine u once loved and opted for in jamb is what u now loathe..zeeknow u dont have to feel that way ok, its bad energy..vet medicine is also a nice and lucrative course, its a proffesional course..it tedious, cumbersome and they withdraw students alot. pls channel your energy towards achieving great feets in your vet, its high time you started appreciating what you have now or else u gonna loose it too..vet cannot be used a second choice..it needs your passion, all of it or else u will be withrawn..thanks

You can't totally blame him/her Sir.
When a person dies I believe it's God's doing, this is how I stop my self from blaming anything or anyone especially if it was something that could be averted.
Yes you are right sir but I believe you are a more experienced person so I want you to offer something that helps the more.
You don't know how painful it is when you discover that it was the doctor's actions and inefficiency that killed your loved one. Imagine the experience of a medlab scientist, his niece was sick and taken to the hospital, so he went to visit the niece and discussed with the father. For someone with many years of experience he guessed what type of case the symptoms show, but the doctors at the hospital (a teaching hospital) requested for expensive tests that were not going to help. The scientist was somehow confused and went to research some more also making contact online and later found out he guessed right and doctors are doing the wrong thing. He tried to contact the doctor/doctors at the hospital but they were adamant and kept on defending their methods. This is an hospital where MLS and Docs were rivals so it was difficult to put through. So the Scientist went to search for other nearby affordable hospital capable of carrying out the procedure so he can recommend to his brother but most were far and little bit expensive for his brother (father of his niece). Before resolutions were made the girl died in care of the doctors.
A year later he met a new doctor(probably NYSC) at his own hospital and during a casual discussion he mentioned the case of his niece, then this doctor said it is a simple procedure (after acknowledging that the scientist made a right conclusion) commonly done at a teaching hospital he graduated from. When I heard the story as I am related to the victims, I started thinking; could it be that the teaching hospital can't take care of such or was it wrong diagnosis, or Doctor Ego? There are other cases from the same teaching hospital.
Now imagine those who discovered that Doctors inefficiency killed there loved one how would they feel especially when they here of other similar stories. There's another case of i/v with higher glucose administered to diabetes patient in a standard private hospital. Yes no one is above mistake but for health care practitioners the mistake should be minimum and comparison with other countries tell us the errors in our health sector is gross.

I think we need better working condition for health care workers and better regulations including rules that will eliminate any stupid rivalry between health workers. And I am in total support of creating easy way to sue doctors for suspected misconducts. I know there are current rules but we need a better one.
When you say that some things like ECG can't be read easily except by taking time or if read by an experienced specialist. Please in a sane environment shouldn't a doctor take enough time to eliminate errors in saving the life of a patient.
Also eliminate the ideology that those who failed to study MBChB hate doctors, Sir. If the scientist I mentioned earlier also complains, that's what some doctors would say but rather it's because of instances where he had good suggestions but was rejected because of he is a scientist and not a doctor.
This is the doctor ego that has caused some people to believe that doctors are one of most arrogant professionals. Many doctors are not like this but the few that are like this are ruining the reputation of this sensitive profession. This ego needs to be fought before you start convinsing those who hate doctors for their ego.
If better regulations are made and doctors are not always covering up for those who made mistakes there would be changes.

So, I am trying to work my way to improve working conditions for health workers and even give more encouragements. I am not studying mbbs to do so. If someone is also working to reduce doctor's misconduct I won't stop him if he is not bias.

I hope you get my points Sir.

OyedejiIfedayo:

You can't totally blame him/her Sir.
When a person dies I believe it's God's doing, this is how I stop my self from blaming anything or anyone especially if it was something that could be averted.
Yes you are right sir but I believe you are a more experienced person so I want you to offer something that helps the more.
You don't know how painful it is when you discover that it was the doctor's actions and inefficiency that killed your loved one. Imagine the experience of a medlab scientist, his niece was sick and taken to the hospital, so he went to visit the niece and discussed with the father. For someone with many years of experience he guessed what type of case the symptoms show, but the doctors at the hospital (a teaching hospital) requested for expensive tests that were not going to help. The scientist was somehow confused and went to research some more also making contact online and later found out he guessed right and doctors are doing the wrong thing. He tried to contact the doctor/doctors at the hospital but they were adamant and kept on defending their methods. This is an hospital where MLS and Docs were rivals so it was difficult to put through. So the Scientist went to search for other nearby affordable hospital capable of carrying out the procedure so he can recommend to his brother but most were far and little bit expensive for his brother (father of his niece). Before resolutions were made the girl died in care of the doctors.
A year later he met a new doctor(probably NYSC) at his own hospital and during a casual discussion he mentioned the case of his niece, then this doctor said it is a simple procedure (after acknowledging that the scientist made a right conclusion) commonly done at a teaching hospital he graduated from. When I heard the story as I am related to the victims, I started thinking; could it be that the teaching hospital can't take care of such or was it wrong diagnosis, or Doctor Ego? There are other cases from the same teaching hospital.
Now imagine those who discovered that Doctors inefficiency killed there loved one how would they feel especially when they here of other similar stories. There's another case of i/v with higher glucose administered to diabetes patient in a standard private hospital. Yes no one is above mistake but for health care practitioners the mistake should be minimum and comparison with other countries tell us the errors in our health sector is gross.

I think we need better working condition for health care workers and better regulations including rules that will eliminate any stupid rivalry between health workers. And I am in total support of creating easy way to sue doctors for suspected misconducts. I know there are current rules but we need a better one.
When you say that some things like ECG can't be read easily except by taking time or if read by an experienced specialist. Please in a sane environment shouldn't a doctor take enough time to eliminate errors in saving the life of a patient.
Also eliminate the ideology that those who failed to study MBChB hate doctors, Sir. If the scientist I mentioned earlier also complains, that's what some doctors would say but rather it's because of instances where he had good suggestions but was rejected because of he is a scientist and not a doctor.
This is the doctor ego that has caused some people to believe that doctors are one of most arrogant professionals. Many doctors are not like this but the few that are like this are ruining the reputation of this sensitive profession. This ego needs to be fought before you start convinsing those who hate doctors for their ego.
If better regulations are made and doctors are not always covering up for those who made mistakes there would be changes.

So, I am trying to work my way to improve working conditions for health workers and even give more encouragements. I am not studying mbbs to do so. If someone is also working to reduce doctor's misconduct I won't stop him if he is not bias.

I hope you get my points Sir.

I understand your point sir...I truly do..
but truth is medical error is pandemic, that is its not just limited to nigeria alone..as a matter of fact, there was a time when death due to medical error was among top 5 causes of death in the united state...and sir, I'm not in any way trying to defend doctors or deny the fact that Nigerian doctors make mistakes but wat I'm trying to say is that some "mistakes" people accuse doctors of making are not mistake..a times the doctor knows what he is doing and if u not in the field u will never understand.. so unless people stop bringing up false accusations on doctors, the ones with real accusations wont b taking seriousely( like what is happening in false rape accusations cases now)
secondly sir, I never mentioned that those who fail to study medicine hate doctors, as that is not always the case...but pls if u can take a minute to go through all the zeeknow325 guy previous topics and post u may come up with similar conclusion with me
to the medlab scientist guy u said. well truth is that his accusation may be correct since u said he confirmed from multiple sources..however you should also note that some of this tests doctors order for can look seemingly inappropriate that even a medlab scientist may not know why the doctor ordered for it- the work of the medlab scientist is just to run the test and give accurate result. hmmm ok for instance a patient may present with lets say abdominal symptom such as vommiting, abdominal bloating, pain and even constipation and the first test a doctor may request is Fasting blood sugar for diabetes if he(doctor) is suspecting diabetic gastroparesis of course based of the history he got from d patient nd his personal examination..now this test may seem inappropriate to even a medlab scientist and he may not know why d dr requested for the test cos he isnt the one dat took the history or examined d patient..hope u getting my point..
the truth is dat some errors u claim doctors make, like d one d zeeknow325 said can't even b made by a 400l medical student..how can a a qualified doctor miss high pulse rate in a patient who presented with cardiovascular symptoms..bringing up such petty accusations always will only make those with real accusations not listened to..

Benji2018:



Wow, That's great But Sir is the cut off really 75 or 79 this year ?

Not certain for now. Like I said, I heard. Just keep your arms crossed and hope for the best

qwertie1234:

someone can have 100000 beats and it wont be obvious..you have to feel the pulse rate and count it or take your time to interpret it on an ECG..brother medicine is beyong internet and google stuffs cos u sound like someone who is really spending time on google..
hmmm you call reading of ElectroCardioGraphy , radiographs and some test results simple? bros there some ECG tracings, radiographs and test results that can only be interpreted by cardiologist, radiologist and pathologist respectively only and those specialties take minimum of 4 years to attain after 6years of MBBS..
so you want to finish veterinary medicine and start law for the purpose of hunting medical doctors, write another WAEC, jamb all over again for law..so u will be practicing law during the day and vet at night..just look at what a Nigerian youth is spewing abeg..
av gone through ur previous posts and topics about doctors and i can say your hatred for medical students and doctors is palpable, it has weight and is occupying alot of space in your heart..the medicine u once loved and opted for in jamb is what u now loathe..zeeknow u dont have to feel that way ok, its bad energy..vet medicine is also a nice and lucrative course, its a proffesional course..it tedious, cumbersome and they withdraw students alot. pls channel your energy towards achieving great feets in your vet, its high time you started appreciating what you have now or else u gonna loose it too..vet cannot be used a second choice..it needs your passion, all of it or else u will be withrawn..thanks

The beat reading was in the ECG guy.

Zeeknow3245:

The beat reading was in the ECG guy.

hmm so u mean cos of beat rate a doctor request for ECG...
i asked u few questions on your first post..pls can u do well to answer them..this is a public forum, lets allow the readers decide the veracity of your accusations..

qwertie1234:

hmm so u mean cos of beat rate a doctor request for ECG...
i asked u few questions on your first post..pls can u do well to answer them..this is a public forum, lets allow the readers decide the veracity of your accusations..

What are you saying? My pastor's wife was a victim of a Doctor's error.
Ok what about me? I was complaining I couldn't breathe properly and I had never had any issues of breathing In my life. I wasn't asked to go for test. I was given Sabutamol,Theophyline and Azithromycin on three different occasions. I was charged a total of 18k. As a Doctor who must have had an experience of nothing less than 25 years, will common sense not tell you that you are treating the wrong thing? I couldn't walk for 2 good weeks neither could I eat properly. It was another Doctor that treated me when I was a kid that told me to go test my cholesterol level,H.pylori,ECG,Blood pressure and blood count. I spent bloody 40k for this. That was when he prescribed both Natural drugs; Ugu and milk and Esomeprazole and Calcium tablets with some little drugs.
I am not saying all Nigerian Doctors are not effective but many are incompetent regardless of the facilities involved. Is it MRI scan?ECG or PET I myself and family can't pay? But you shouldn't say that Doctors can't make little and clumsy mistakes. Pray you don't see bad thing in this life.
My fellowship leader is a Doctor, a Paediatrician consultant in Ijanikin and he has a Big clinic majorly for children so stop saying I am castigating Doctors because I did not want to study human Medicine.
If is by Doctors you mean, I have them as Cousins, Church members and Head of church departments.

Zeeknow3245:

How can somebody have over 200beats and it wasn't obvious? There should be sanctions. Many can't read simple ECG,Radiograph and test results. NMA should do something before the bad eggs crumble every single thing. I won't be a medical Doctor that is for humans. But when I finish my Veterinary degree and work for sometime I will go for my Law degree. I am gonna fokin hunt criminal Doctors who are there to sustain diseases even little like malaria and typhoid without treating them. Nigeria go know me.

It's easier said than done����

Zeeknow3245:

What are you saying? My pastor's wife was a victim of a Doctor's error.
Ok what about me? I was complaining I couldn't breathe properly and I had never had any issues of breathing In my life. I wasn't asked to go for test. I was given Sabutamol,Theophyline and Azithromycin on three different occasions. I was charged a total of 18k. As a Doctor who must have had an experience of nothing less than 25 years, will common sense not tell you that you are treating the wrong thing? I couldn't walk for 2 good weeks neither could I eat properly. It was another Doctor that treated me when I was a kid that told me to go test my cholesterol level,H.pylori,ECG,Blood pressure and blood count. I spent bloody 40k for this. That was when he prescribed both Natural drugs; Ugu and milk and Esomeprazole and Calcium tablets with some little drugs.
I am not saying all Nigerian Doctors are not effective but many are incompetent regardless of the facilities involved. Is it MRI scan?ECG or PET I myself and family can't pay? But you shouldn't say that Doctors can't make little and clumsy mistakes. Pray you don't see bad thing in this life.
My fellowship leader is a Doctor, a Paediatrician consultant in Ijanikin and he has a Big clinic majorly for children so stop saying I am castigating Doctors because I did not want to study human Medicine.
If is by Doctors you mean, I have them as Cousins, Church members and Head of church departments.

egbon its not out of place for a a doc to administer salbutamol or theophilin empirically for a suspected to having air way tract obstruction..respiratory distress is a fvckin emergency and u don't wait for test to come up before u start something. he gave u azithromycin to probably take of any bacteria infection..in ur first post u said d doc ordered wrong test and here u saying no test was ordered..
u said the real disease u had was gastroesophageal reflux disease right..so u had GERD with no burning sensation on ur chest or abdomen..rather ur own GERD presented with difficulty in breathing ..
guy answer this question, how did u know u had GERD na..or is it from the blood pressure and cholesterol test and ECG and, wat did u mention there again sef, is it from those test u were confirmed to having GERD?

I'm tired of reading some NONSENSE in this thread,why are we too religious in NIGERIA So if someone dies now it's the will of God...? you are funny ooo,so if someone just wakes up one morning and goes to the highway knowingly and got smashed by a trailer because he died,it's the will of God smh....

Zeeknow, you are very funny....! I have been following your post and comments in this thread and other threads you are just a pained soul,yuu don't even know your left from your right, if I were you I will channel or my energy to scoring exceedingly high so I can get my MBBS,now you told us you want to settle for vet med, but your status is saying "MBBS OR NOTHING 365 2021 JAMB" lol guy you need to see a therapist leave nairaland alone..!

Please let's face reality,vet Medicine is not lucrative in Nigeria...! I won't lie to you, except you have an entrepreneurship mindset,even with the entrepreneurship mindset where will you get capital to start a Private practise when you can't even get placement after internship.

Better chase your MBBS There are diverse opportunities in MBBS/BDS who you chase residency and be a Consultant while working as a resident doctor you get your pay,but you see this vet enh,it takes the grace of God to survive in it,you may even get depressed after getting the DVM degree and take note if you want law after DVM you would have to start from SS1 after your DVM so as to get your subject combination,why not channel all these energy in smashing jamb and stop the hatred and also die this your idiotic ideas

"...but u shouldn't say doctors don't make little mistake"
i never said doctors dont make mistake..
but your narrations are so full of inconsistencies.. that's why I wud really appreciate if u answered all the questions i asked u earlier up about ur dad..
zeeknow your post has always been against doctors, there was a thread u created saying doctors have high libido and saying all sorts of thrash..u may not hate doctors as u claimed, which i doubt, but u are obviousely obssessed about doctor..
well today I'm free and I believe u are too so let's clear things up..
u still dodging all the questions I asked u earlier

qwertie1234:
"...but u shouldn't say doctors don't make little mistake"
i never said doctors dont make mistake..
but your narrations are so full of inconsistencies.. that's why I wud really appreciate if u answered all the questions i asked u earlier up about ur dad..
zeeknow your post has always been against doctors, there was a thread u created saying doctors have high libido and saying all sorts of thrash..u may not hate doctors as u claimed, which i doubt, bu u are obviousely obssessed about doctor..
well today I'm free and I believe u are too do let's clear things up..
u still dodging all the questions I asked u earlier

You even have time to be responding to him

Wahala nor too much??

Froshchuksswart:


You even have time to be responding to him

I need to o..his comments are very misleading, they can discourage so many prospective hard working med students and aspirants.. if he is not tackled, people will think he is telling the truth

qwertie1234:
egbon its not out of place for a a doc to administer salbutamol or theophilin empirically for a suspected to having air way tract obstruction..respiratory distress is a fvckin emergency and u don't wait for test to come up before u start something. he gave u azithromycin to probably take of any bacteria infection..in ur first post u said d doc ordered wrong test and here u saying no test was ordered..
u said the real disease u had was gastroesophageal reflux disease right..so u had GERD with no burning sensation on ur chest or abdomen..rather ur own GERD presented with difficulty in breathing ..
guy answer this question, how did u know u had GERD na..or is it from the blood pressure and cholesterol test and ECG and, wat did u mention there again sef, is it from those test u were confirmed to having GERD?

How will I be able to diagnose myself? You ought to know the Doctor has to be the one to give me the diagnosis. So I will just Google my sickness like a Cyber Hypochondriac?