Muyi002:


Chief n3xt,

From your experience, what is the ratio of bags/sponge to sqm. i.e. how many bags of POP cement will cover 1sqm or how many sqm will 1 bag of POP cement cover.

it is equally important for me in my calculations. any other person can assist o.

Cc dominionng

omanzo02:

There is always a cheaper version of expensive and redistribution of wealth. My understanding of the market is you pay the excess for the premium names and not it quality. Here we have laboratories/test centres that test cheaper products against expensive premium and the results are always alarming. Surprise! The cheaper products always performed better and gets higher marks than the expensive ones. They do this to avoid producers/brands from misleading the consumers/public that their products is the best.
Why should I buy a Versace jacket when an Oakwood can do the job to keep me warm?

why wear oakwood when there's #1,000 doing same job perfectly.

I don't know about others,if I can afford that versace, I will wear it. You see this life,it has no duplicate. The first I check is this, can I comfortably afford it

Is it just me or Construction Quality in Nigeria has not improved in the last 20 years.

No innovation, just same old style and material.

We've very mediocre designers and Architects, with Construction Professionals not pushing any boundary at all.

We cannot continue in this brick and mortar way of doing things and expect better results.

Merry christmas

Jojo247:
Thanks for the quick response.
My budget is about 500k.

are you always at home during the day or the set up is for when you and your family are back from work in the evening?

Muyi002:


Chief n3xt,

From your experience, what is the ratio of bags/sponge to sqm. i.e. how many bags of POP cement will cover 1sqm or how many sqm will 1 bag of POP cement cover.

it is equally important for me in my calculations. any other person can assist o.

This depends on the following:

1. How wasteful your installer is?
2. The thickness of your pop board

But give or take, expect 4sqm.

Xtopher123:
Is it just me or Construction Quality in Nigeria has not improved in the last 20 years.

No innovation, just same old style and material.

We've very mediocre designers and Architects, with Construction Professionals not pushing any boundary at all.

We cannot continue in this brick and mortar way of doing things and expect better results.

The alternative solutions are out there. Our problem is we “How” them to death instead of “Wow-ing” them to life.

Dijita:




I commend your effort in impacting young ones. However I think that is a different topic entirely. Buying Gerald instead of Long span does not stops one from giving back to society. Bill Gates live in Medina where average real estate cost is close to $3million. It didn't stops him from helping people all over the world. He didn't move to Newark New Jersey because the reduction in the cost of living can help more people.

If you are the one standing in the front in suit. what you are wearing are not just nice stuffs they are luxury to some people. Apple fan boy is a discussion for another day

Smiles.

Bill can afford the moon but he chose the earth. He does not do Gucci or Versace even though he can afford to buy off the company, Hushpuppies does.

I’m not going to remember Bill because of what he wear or where he lives but the change he brought to the world.

I can’t do material stuffs when I’m surrounded by hundreds of brainy young Nigerians who need a helping hand. Every savings matter to me.

Maybe one day I’d be able to afford Gerald and still help a lot of people.

n3xt:


This depends on the following:

1. How wasteful your installer is?
2. The thickness of your pop board

But give or take, expect 4sqm.

1 bag of POP cement = 4SQM?

n3xt:


The alternative solutions are out there. Our problem is we “How” them to death instead of “Wow-ing” them to life.

Exactly....

My company is investigating CLT as an alternative to Concrete and Steel here in Nigeria and it viability..

Would like to see what the future holds..

Rexology:
Professionals, please make una help me profer solution to this crack.

The beam/ lintel was supposed to rest on a column. Absent of column there.

mank1234:


Cc dominionng

Muyi002:


Chief n3xt,

From your experience, what is the ratio of bags/sponge to sqm. i.e. how many bags of POP cement will cover 1sqm or how many sqm will 1 bag of POP cement cover.

it is equally important for me in my calculations. any other person can assist o.

Dominionng:


It is charged per sqm. Volume, location and most importantly type of design are major factors in deciding rates per sqm. Don't let anyone deceive you that there is a fixed rate per sqm for POP ceiling.
There is what I call
Budget designs(image 1),
Average design(image 2) and
Luxury design(image 3)
In budget designs, one is expected to use a bag of POP cement for 2.8 - 3sqm, 2 - 2.5sqm for average designs and 1 - 1.5sqm for luxury designs. So, since materials involve and time to achieve these designs ain't same, it is expected for rates to vary. Talk of quality ceiling or POP Precast vs Plasterboard is a discussion for another day.
At the moment based on the present hike in POP materials, you can get a good ceiling from 4,000/sqm. Maybe a little lesser if your project is in the eastern part of the country(POP materials is cheaper in the east at the moment).

The above was my reply to a similar question over a year ago. A bag won't get more than 3sqm even for a flat ceiling, likewise a bag might not get you more than a sqm for a complex design.

Usually at home. [
quote author=zuraking post=97418565]are you always at home during the day or the set up is for when you and your family are back from work in the evening? [/quote]

Xtopher123:


Exactly....

My company is investigating CLT as an alternative to Concrete and Steel here in Nigeria and it viability..

Would like to see what the future holds..

Engineered-wood? You’ll have to really DIY if you’re going to tow that path here.

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Oga Jojo247

Since your are always at home during the day, you will spend more on solar panels so that you can still use the power over night. therefore you will be spending more than 500k for a stable supply. But if you do have electricity of 10 to 12 hours a day, you can still cut the cost.

PLAN A

4 Pcs of 150ah battery. 60,000*4=240,000
10 PC's of 200 watts panel. 26,000*10=260,000
2kv inverter 105,000.
Mptt charge controller 40ah 25,000 (for fast and accurate charging)
Wire from your solar panel to batteries 8,000
Accessories to hold your solar panels on your roofing 10,000
Workmanship 10,000-15,000

Total 660,000.
For a 4 bedroom and a mini duplex. Mansions and big duplex will cost x 2-3 of this for a better supply.

PLAN B

3 Pcs of 150ah battery 60,000*3= 180,000
8 pcs of 150 watts panels. 21,000*8= 168,000
2kv inverter 105,000
Wire 8,000
Accessories 10,000
Workmanship 10,000-15,000

Total 501,000
For a 3-4 bedroom flat

PLAN C

2pcs of 150ah batteries 60,000*2= 120,000
6 pcs of 150 watts panel 21,000*6= 126,000
1.5kv inverter 75,000
Mptt charge controller 25,000
Wire 8,000
Accessories 10,000
Workmanship 10,000-15,000

Total 370,000
2-3 bedroom

PLAN D

150ah battery 60,000
3pcs 150 watts 21,000*3 = 63,000
1kv inverter 45,000-50,000
Charge controller 8,000
Wire 8,000
Accessories 5,000
Workmanship 10,000

Total 205,000..
1 bedroom

Note: the only place you can cut cost in this my post is the inverter. You can buy used inverter to save cost.

solar inverter isn't nepa or generator, the more appliances you on, the faster your battery will run down. you will need to be cautious of your usage by switching off bulbs, fans and every other things you aren't using

I use plan B due to bad electricity in my area. With this plan, I use the power from 6pm till next day. I hardly on Gen if not to pump water.

This solar is better than our noisy generator(if you have the money) cos I did the calculations myself fueling gen overnight and maintaining the gen. There is nothing to maintain while using solar.

The only disadvantage is raining season since there won't be much sunlight then. But still, you can use nepa to charge during the day or generator to charge at night and you will still use the power overnight. 4-6hours nepa/generator will charge it full if there isn't sunlight at all throughout the day. But the best to charge is sunlight cos it will give it accurate charging and will last longer than GENERATOR and NEPA.

Xtopher123:
Is it just me or Construction Quality in Nigeria has not improved in the last 20 years.

No innovation, just same old style and material.

We've very mediocre designers and Architects, with Construction Professionals not pushing any boundary at all.

We cannot continue in this brick and mortar way of doing things and expect better results.

Not true.

If you get a chance search for a builder here by the name of Skimanski. Man builds USA level houses,

Merry Christmas to everyone and happy boxing day

Check out our thread

MEP installation
https://www.nairaland.com/1233943/contact-us-electrical-mechanical-plumbing/25

Earthing and Bonding system
https://www.nairaland.com/2316228/importance-proper-earthing-bonding-system/2



Distribution boards
https://www.nairaland.com/2668061/abb-distribution-board-schneider-distribution/6


Cables
https://www.nairaland.com/2326721/nigerchin-kabelmetal-coleman-cables/23

Thank you so much for the detailed breakdown and analysis...much appreciated. I am leaning towards plan B too. The only issue now is finding someone to put it together.
You did mention that you would tell me where to get the items. Are you in Lagos?

zuraking:
Oga Jojo247

Since your are always at home during the day, you will spend more on solar panels so that you can still use the power over night. therefore you will be spending more than 500k for a stable supply. But if you do have electricity of 10 to 12 hours a day, you can still cut the cost.

PLAN A

4 Pcs of 150ah battery. 60,000*4=240,000
10 PC's of 200 watts panel. 26,000*10=260,000
2kv inverter 105,000.
Mptt charge controller 40ah 25,000 (for fast and accurate charging)
Wire from your solar panel to batteries 8,000
Accessories to hold your solar panels on your roofing 10,000
Workmanship 10,000-15,000

Total 660,000.
For a 4 bedroom and a mini duplex. Mansions and big duplex will cost x 2-3 of this for a better supply.

PLAN B

3 Pcs of 150ah battery 60,000*3= 180,000
8 pcs of 150 watts panels. 21,000*8= 168,000
2kv inverter 105,000
Wire 8,000
Accessories 10,000
Workmanship 10,000-15,000

Total 501,000
For a 3-4 bedroom flat

PLAN C

2pcs of 150ah batteries 60,000*2= 120,000
6 pcs of 150 watts panel 21,000*6= 126,000
1.5kv inverter 75,000
Mptt charge controller 25,000
Wire 8,000
Accessories 10,000
Workmanship 10,000-15,000

Total 370,000
2-3 bedroom

PLAN D

150ah battery 60,000
3pcs 150 watts 21,000*3 = 63,000
1kv inverter 45,000-50,000
Charge controller 8,000
Wire 8,000
Accessories 5,000
Workmanship 10,000

Total 205,000..
1 bedroom

Note: the only place you can cut cost in this my post is the inverter. You can buy used inverter to save cost.

solar inverter isn't nepa or generator, the more appliances you on, the faster your battery will run down. you will need to be cautious of your usage by switching off bulbs, fans and every other things you aren't using

I use plan B due to bad electricity in my area. With this plan, I use the power from 6pm till next day. I hardly on Gen if not to pump water.

This solar is better than our noisy generator(if you have the money) cos I did the calculations myself fueling gen overnight and maintaining the gen. There is nothing to maintain while using solar.

The only disadvantage is raining season since there won't be much sunlight then. But still, you can use nepa to charge during the day or generator to charge at night and you will still use the power overnight. 4-6hours nepa/generator will charge it full if there isn't sunlight at all throughout the day. But the best to charge is sunlight cos it will give it accurate charging and will last longer than GENERATOR and NEPA.

Jojo247:
Thank you so much for the detailed breakdown and analysis...much appreciated. I am leaning towards plan B too. The only issue now is finding someone to put it together.
You did mention that you would tell me where to get the items. Are you in Lagos?

.

Good morning,
Please i have few questions
1) are the batteries brand new or fairly used?
2) Can the 2kv Inverter carry a deepfreezer and other house appliance?
3) I get up to 5hrs Electricity in a day from PHCN, so i'm thinking of getting Inverter without solar panels ,will that be enough to charge the batteries to 100% capacity?
4) If i get Inverter system without solar panels and after some years i decide to add solar panels, do i need to change the inverter or that same inverter will work with solar system?

What a wonderful and inspiring thread.

topsy23:
Merry Christmas to everyone and happy boxing day

Check out our thread

MEP installation
https://www.nairaland.com/1233943/contact-us-electrical-mechanical-plumbing/25

Earthing and Bonding system
https://www.nairaland.com/2316228/importance-proper-earthing-bonding-system/2



Distribution boards
https://www.nairaland.com/2668061/abb-distribution-board-schneider-distribution/6


Cables
https://www.nairaland.com/2326721/nigerchin-kabelmetal-coleman-cables/23

Bros, Welldone.

Please could you assist with the looks of DB for 4BR

loffers:
.

Good morning,
Please i have few questions
1) are the batteries brand new or fairly used?
2) Can the 2kv Inverter carry a deepfreezer and other house appliance?
3) I get up to 5hrs Electricity in a day from PHCN, so i'm thinking of getting Inverter without solar panels ,will that be enough to charge the batteries to 100% capacity?
4) If i get Inverter system without solar panels and after some years i decide to add solar panels, do i need to change the inverter or that same inverter will work with solar system?

I'm not an installer but from my own lay man's knowledge
1) can't tell. but make sure it's tall tubular batteries. they are better
2) depends on the wattage of your appliances. same appliances with same capacity eg microwave/ fridge can have different wattage, so the lesser the wattage the better. you can have a single 200watts bulbs consuming more than 10 5watts led lights. mind you for optimum battery performance you only use 50% of the battery juice. I can't lay my hands on the formula for determining inverter and battery size, for starters you should write down all the appliances you'd run on the inverter, sum up the total wattage of all of them and the time each of them is supposed to run.
3) if the 5hrs isn't during the peak sunny period, get solar panels.
4) you don't need to change the inverter. just buy the panels together with a solar charge controller.

When buying tiles, ensure you do the measurements accurately with your tiler and also ensure proper conversion from sqm to cartons and lastly if possible, after agreeing price with supplier, go with your tiler when going for pickup.

I just got swindled of 90+ cartons costing over ₦130,000.

Lesson learned.

I know all tribes in Nigeria have bad people, but we need to be wary.

When I bought cables, it's the same thing until I stood my ground.

When I bought conduit pipes, it's same thing. They sold fake 20mm at the price of original 20mm Dignity pipes. I stood my ground and returned all pipes

Now it's tiles from Orile.
This criminally minded Patrick Ebere knew what he did, smuggled all the tiles in the truck before my arrival to make U turn to the other side.
Swearing that ' ọgá the thing complete' 'maka why I go cheat you'

I said I'm coming to his shop, he said no that he has traveled to the East, whereas this bastard is right here in Lagos

Let me first use this opportunity to thank all of my friends online, for all your support, suggestions and encouragement you have given to me on my projects over the years. May the good lord bless all of you, may your 2021 be much better than 2020. Amen.

Merry Christmas and a happy new year to you and your loved ones.

God bless you all.

'

davodyguy:
When buying tiles, ensure you do the measurements accurately with your tiler and also ensure proper conversion from sqm to cartons and lastly if possible, after agreeing price with supplier, go with your tiler when going for pickup.

I just got swindled of 90+ cartons costing over ₦130,000.

Lesson learned.

I know all tribes in Nigeria have bad people, but we need to be wary of some particular ones.

When I bought cables from them, it's the same thing until I stood my ground.

When I bought conduit pipes from them, it's same thing. They sold fake 20mm at the price of original 20mm Dignity pipes. I stood my ground and returned all pipes

Now it's tiles from Orile.
This criminally minded Patrick Ebere knew what he did, smuggled all the tiles in the truck before my arrival to make U turn to the other side.
Swearing that ' ọgá the thing complete' 'maka why I go cheat you'

I said I'm coming to his shop, he said no that he has traveled to the East, whereas this bastard is right here in Lagos

So, you want to tell us that when you bought cables, one tribe cheated you, when you bought pipes, the same tribe cheated you, and you still carried your 2 left legs to enter their shop again just to get swindled, so you can come online and wail your hearts out?

Who do you this thing?

BankeSmalls:

So, you want to tell us that when you bought cables, one tribe cheated you, when you bought pipes, the same tribe cheated you, and you still carried your 2 left legs to enter their shop again just to get swindled, so you can come online and wail your hearts out?

Who do you this thing?

I'll not repeat such again.

Lesson learned.

When these guys sweet talk you and swear by God's name, you think they're saying the truth

davodyguy:


I'll not repeat such again.

Lesson learned.

When these guys sweet talk you and swear by God's name, you think they're saying the truth

Baba calm down

Nothing to be angry about as you failed to do your checks. How can you tell us that you accepted him by his words, took the loaded tiles and left the market only to come back and complain here.

Do you know he can defeat you in a judgement?

Do you know that the drivers could also stop
along the way and reduce your tiles?

Do you know that your tiles might have disappeared right from your site?

Better check well before accusing people.

BankeSmalls:


Baba calm down

Nothing to be angry about as you failed to do your checks. How can you tell us that you accepted him by his words, took the loaded tiles and left the market only to come back and complain here.

Do you know he can defeat you in a judgement?

Do you know that the drivers could also stop
along the way and reduce your tiles?

Do you know that your tiles might have disappeared right from your site?

Better check well before accusing people.

I don't usually engage in online exchange cause it adds nothing.

All the scenarios you posted are possible, but in this case none of them.

1. I was with the driver from Orile down to my site. Hence you case of driver is non-existent

2. Tiles are with me and immediately we offloaded we counted. So talking about site theft is also not the case.

What has happened is a clear case of deliberate intent to cheat.

Receipt showed ₦1,398,000
Amount paid ₦1,533,000

What was supplied Tally's with ₦1,398,000

But he lied that what he loaded tallied with what I paid, whereas that's a lie.

I hope you can read between the lines.

Matter of being defeated in court is DOA.
Receipt you issued showed a figure, but what he received as payment showed another figure.

Getting to court is for him to defend issuing a receipt with lesser figure vs accepting more than what he ought to have accepted

Muyi002:


Bros, Welldone.

Please could you assist with the looks of DB for 4BR

Boss before i can give you the size of the DB for 4bedroom, need to ask some questions:
How many AC do you plan to install
How many water heaters

Do you want to make provision for Solar/Inverter Connection?

I need your response before i can specify number of ways to be installed