livingchrist:
“Yes—Jesus is fully divine. He has all the attributes of God.” (see Colossians 2:9).

livingchrist:
If this question means to ask “Is Jesus really God?” or “Is Jesus God in the flesh?” then the answer would be “Yes—(see Colossians 2:9).

haddeylium:


So, Mary is the mother of God?

DappaD:


Honestly, the rest of your inference is totally meaningless. I'm only interested in this part where you used the word “fully divine[divinity]” to support your trinity doctrine. Once again your KJV BIBLE succeeds in misleading you with regards to Colossians 2:9. The actual Greek word that appears there is “the·oʹte·tos” meaning “divinity” or “divine nature”.
Now, how does the fact that Jesus shares divine nature with his Father mean that they're both the same and equal? John 17:5. After all the angels also share this divine nature since they along with God exists as spirits.(John 4:24, Psalm 104:4)

And for your information, all 7.8billion humans share the same “humanity” or “human nature” and are also “fully human”. So does the fact that all humans share the same “human nature” and are “fully human” make them all the same person? Rack your brain and do some actual reasoning.

haddeylium:


So, Mary is the mother of God?

OfficialAPCNig:

Maybe you skipped the part of the John 1 that says "and the word was made flesh". Jesus shed everything that made him a God before coming to earth. A human cannot give birth to a god.

livingchrist:
Jesus divine nature existed before mary,

so how can mary be mother of God?

haddeylium:


Is it this divine nature that makes him a God?

Cos' she carried someone that is a God in her womb

haddeylium:


They OP won't agree with you.
He believes Jesus is a God-Man

livingchrist:
If Jesus possess God's divine nature then he is God, I mean truly God then. And No angels do not possess God's divine nature

livingchrist:
yes he is God because he possesses same nature with God

Mary was like a surrogate because she carried him in her womb but that does not mean that Jesus originated from her same way Joseph is Jesus foster father.
Foster father, surrogate mother are artificial construct, neither mary or Joseph are mother or father of God.

livingchrist:

Yes you are correct Jesus is a God-man, he didnt put off his divine nature but rather added the human nature to his divine nature, this is called the hypostatic union, He is 100% man a d 100% God hence the name Immanuel also after his resurrection he still dis not put off his human nature rather it was glorified, even above all Angels.

livingchrist:
Is Jesus Same Person As The Father?
If this question means to ask “Is Jesus really God?” or “Is Jesus God in the flesh?” then the answer would be “Yes—Jesus is fully divine. He has all the attributes of God” (see Colossians 2:9).

However, the question could be interpreted another way, which would require a different answer. Theologically speaking, Jesus and the Father are different Persons of the Trinity. They are one in nature and essence, but they are different in personhood.

There is an ancient heresy called modalism (and a more modern variation called Oneness theology), which teaches that God does not exist in three co-equal, co-eternal Persons, but only one. According to modalism, the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are not three individual Persons but simply three modes of revelation: sometimes God reveals Himself as the Father, other times as the Son, and still other times as the Holy Spirit. If the question is asked, “are Jesus and God the Father the same person?” the modalist would answer “yes,” but biblical Trinitarians would answer “no.”

The doctrine of the Trinity is the best explanation for all of the biblical evidence. There is only one God, but He exists eternally as three individual Persons and has revealed Himself as God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. This is different from the teaching of three individual gods because the three Persons of the Trinity are co-equal, co-eternal, interdependent, and always in complete agreement. There is one God who exists as three individual Persons. Thus, the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God; however, the Father is not the same person as the Son, nor is the Son the same person as the Holy Spirit. This is sometimes complicated by the fact that God the Father is often simply called “God” in the New Testament.

The first three verses of the Gospel of John give us an idea of how this works out:

John 1:1. In the beginning was the Word . . . (We know from verse 14 that the Word is Jesus. In the beginning, He was already there.)

. . . and the Word was with God . . . (At least two Persons are in view here: one called “God” and one called “the Word.”)

. . . and the Word was God (The Word is distinct from God, yet He is also called “God.” The Word is divine in His essential nature.)

John 1:2. He was with God in the beginning (After the essential identification of the Word as God, once again the distinction is emphasized—He was with God when it all began.)

John 1:3. Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made (Here, we see that the Word is actually the Creator. He made everything. In the Old Testament, we are told that God created everything—Genesis 1:1.)

It is this kind of biblical information that led to the formulation of the doctrine of the Trinity. When “God” is spoken of in the Old Testament, most people probably think of God the Father, but it would be more accurate to think of “God the Trinity.” In the New Testament, we see how each Person of the Trinity assumed different roles in the redemption of lost humanity, but the different Persons are always in complete agreement, acting as one.

Jesus is God, but Jesus (who is God the Son) is not the same Person as God the Father or God the Holy Spirit[/size

MuttleyLaff:
Why didnt God in His infinite wisdom ALLOW THE WORD TRINITY, to be PRINTED out black and white kokoro IN THE BIBLE?

Liquid H₂0 is not solid H₂0, neither is it H₂0 gaseous. Both H₂0 gas and H₂0 water aren't H₂0 solid or vice versa, they are distinct to each other, though they are same one thing.

I keep using the H₂0 analogy, like on previous posts, no matter whether turned into water, ice or steam, H₂0 still retains its elements and/or molecular composition. Liquid is recognizably different in sight, from gas and solid, solid is recognizably different in sight from liquid and gas, also, gas is recognizably different in sight from liquid and solid, but the three, are all equal and the same in composition.

Now, it will interest you to know, that there actually are other forms of water apart from the well known H₂0. This will be talking of D₂0 and T₂0 aside the well known H₂0. The former two (i.e. D₂0 and T₂0) are out of the thread's scope to be discussed here, but the info about them are just presented here, to serve as a fyi and something to keep in a corner of the mind, in case future opportunities arises to discuss them.

Now, since you didnt address the question fully, I'll repeat it and ask, if this same God if infinite, why then are you limiting Him to just and only three persons, hmm? Especially when He reveals that He is I AM that I AM, hmm?

We aren't discussing differences here, but saying you cant put person limitations on God. No one is disputing with you that the Son and the Spirit are actually God, both pre-existent, co-eternal but distinct from the Father. Just as ice block is distinct from aqua, rain, drizzle, tears, mist, steam, vapour et cetera

At what point did God, the Spirit become God the Father, what point did the Word, (i.e. Logos) become the Son, and what point did the seven distinct expression of the God, the Spirit, become the Holy Spirit?

I am sure you'll certainly have an interesting angle to the Angel of the Lord

"It is the glory of God to conceal a matter; to search out a matter is the glory of kings
(i.e. It is the glory of God to hide things but the glory of kings to investigate them.
God is praised for being mysterious; rulers are praised for explaining mysteries)"
- Proverbs 25:2

"But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name,
He will teach you all things and will bring to your remembrance all things that I have said to you."
- John 14:26

"But when He, the Spirit of truth, comes, He will guide you into all the truth;
for He will not speak on His own initiative, but whatever He hears, He will speak;
and He will disclose to you what is to come"
- John 16:13

I dont care what cop out you want to use, but the truth of the matter is that, the brain, isn't an ornament to decorate the body with, and so, we are blessed with this powerfully built processing functional gift for a purpose, reason and such a time as this

You are stepping on a banana peel "foundational doctrine" here. Where exactly does the Bible teach this your so called "foundational doctrine" thats allegedly within the Bible? I would like to see the Bible verse(s) explicitly restricting God been revealed to us and expressing Himself to us as only three persons

livingchrist:
Yes you are correct Jesus is a God-man, He didnt put off His divine nature but rather added the human nature to His divine nature, this is called the hypostatic union, He is 100% man a d 100% God hence the name Immanuel also after His resurrection He still dis not put off His human nature rather it was glorified, even above all Angels.

haddeylium:
[s]If Jesus is 100% God masquerading as Human[/s].

haddeylium:
How come he's made a little lower than the Angel?

haddeylium:
Does that agree with 'No Man has ever seen God at anytime?

livingchrist:
If this question means to ask “Is Jesus really God?” or “Is Jesus God in the flesh?” then the answer would be “Yes—Jesus is fully divine. He has all the attributes of God” (see Colossians 2:9).

However, the question could be interpreted another way, which would require a different answer. Theologically speaking, Jesus and the Father are different Persons of the Trinity. They are one in nature and essence, but they are different in personhood.

There is an ancient heresy called modalism (and a more modern variation called Oneness theology), which teaches that God does not exist in three co-equal, co-eternal Persons, but only one. According to modalism, the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are not three individual Persons but simply three modes of revelation: sometimes God reveals Himself as the Father, other times as the Son, and still other times as the Holy Spirit. If the question is asked, “are Jesus and God the Father the same person?” the modalist would answer “yes,” but biblical Trinitarians would answer “no.”

The doctrine of the Trinity is the best explanation for all of the biblical evidence. There is only one God, but He exists eternally as three individual Persons and has revealed Himself as God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. This is different from the teaching of three individual gods because the three Persons of the Trinity are co-equal, co-eternal, interdependent, and always in complete agreement. There is one God who exists as three individual Persons. Thus, the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God; however, the Father is not the same person as the Son, nor is the Son the same person as the Holy Spirit. This is sometimes complicated by the fact that God the Father is often simply called “God” in the New Testament.

The first three verses of the Gospel of John give us an idea of how this works out:

John 1:1. In the beginning was the Word . . . (We know from verse 14 that the Word is Jesus. In the beginning, He was already there.)

. . . and the Word was with God . . . (At least two Persons are in view here: one called “God” and one called “the Word.”)

. . . and the Word was God (The Word is distinct from God, yet He is also called “God.” The Word is divine in His essential nature.)

John 1:2. He was with God in the beginning (After the essential identification of the Word as God, once again the distinction is emphasized—He was with God when it all began.)

John 1:3. Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made (Here, we see that the Word is actually the Creator. He made everything. In the Old Testament, we are told that God created everything—Genesis 1:1.)

It is this kind of biblical information that led to the formulation of the doctrine of the Trinity. When “God” is spoken of in the Old Testament, most people probably think of God the Father, but it would be more accurate to think of “God the Trinity.” In the New Testament, we see how each Person of the Trinity assumed different roles in the redemption of lost humanity, but the different Persons are always in complete agreement, acting as one.

Jesus is God, but Jesus (who is God the Son) is not the same Person as God the Father or God the Holy Spirit

DappaD:


2Peter 1:2-4 says that anointed Christians will share in having a “divine nature” along with Jesus Christ. Does that make them equal to Christ and God?

haddeylium:


If Jesus is 100% God masquerading as Human.
How come he's made a little lower than the Angel?
Does that agree with 'No Man has ever seen God at anytime?

MuttleyLaff:

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livingchrist:
God exist in three persons, that is how God is.

hayzed1090:
Real confusion is when a Christian is trying to prove trinity. Jesus as God, son of God and holy spirit.

Try and question your own write up, does it make any sense? Each paragraph negates the points you made in the previous ones

livingchrist:


Jesus is God, but Jesus (who is God the Son) is not the same Person as God the Father or God the Holy Spirit

MuttleyLaff:
Real understanding is knowing that trinity is not necessarily an end all, especially when God, by nature, actually is ∞ (i.e. infinity)
Now if I want to sex things up, I will begin to mess up someone's brain, with throwing in that, God aside from being ∞ (i.e. infinity), also is Alpha (i.e. Α or α) and Omega (i.e. Ω or ω), lmso.

MuttleyLaff:
Real understanding is knowing that trinity is not necessarily an end all, especially when God, by nature, actually is ∞ (i.e. infinity)
Now if I want to sex things up, I will begin to mess up someone's brain, with throwing in that, God aside from being ∞ (i.e. infinity), also is Alpha (i.e. Α or α) and Omega (i.e. Ω or ω), lmso.

hayzed1090:
And you think this is making sense!

MuttleyLaff:


He, correctly put, is made a little lower than the angels, so to fulfil all righteousness

Yes it does because, no man, except the Son of Man has ever seen God at anytime.

livingchrist:
By taking on the servant nature, and the human nature he became less than the angels.
Humans are less than Angels, Jesus became a human a human.
In the hierarchy of beings,
God first
Angels
Humans
Animals
Plants
Non living things

livingchrist:
Jesus is God, but Jesus (who is God the Son) is not the same Person as God the Father or God the Holy Spirit

DeepSight:
Just look at the twisted knots you tie yourself in. The twisted, contradictory, meaningless knots.

Verily verily I say unto you - One day, one day, one day, you will wake up from your delusional reverie and with shock and horror at yourself - completely aghast at your own stuupidity - you will ask yourself what sort of brainwashing it was that could ever have prompted you to call your fellow man almighty God.

haddeylium:
what righteousness.??

haddeylium:
So, Jesus is not that God no man has ever seen at anytime