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Re: Living In The Uk/life As A UK Immigrant by TheGuyFromHR: 11:19am On Dec 28, 2020 |
It's a general fact that the difference between government policy and what actually happens in real life can sometimes be wide. Take an excerpt from that policy statement: "We need to shift the focus of our economy away from a reliance on cheap labour from Europe and instead concentrate on investment in technology and automation. Employers will need to adjust[i][/i]." Oyibo. The UK still needs cheap labour. So cheap labour and expensive labour will still come, black, white or brown. And because it will still be easier for European cheap or expensive labour to access the UK than the black and brown versions of the labour, the playing field will ultimately still only be level in terms of Whitehall policy only. Take for instance, mutual recognition of qualifications. Under the deal, this will no longer be automatic. Good news for non-EU in theory. In practice, if an employer has to choose between a Nigerian University of Ife degree or a German University of Dusseldorf degree post-full Brexit all other things being equal, we need no crystal ball to guess where the decision will fall most times. When taking experience into consideration, whose will be given more weight most of the time, one wonders. That acquired in a Ghanaian company, or that acquired in say Sweden or France? 5 Likes |
Re: Living In The Uk/life As A UK Immigrant by icon8: 11:25am On Dec 28, 2020 |
Chukwuka16: Listen, I’m not of the opinion that Brexit is a bed of roses. Neither have I attempted to paint it as such. I’ve only sought to highlight a few points I consider are its pros, from a non-EU immigrant point of view. If it makes any difference, the post I quoted arrogantly declared “there are no advantages whatsoever”. Hence my attempt to repudiate that claim. Finally, I voted Remain and I still believe that Brexit is a bad idea, but to claim it has no single benefit whatsoever is ridiculous, even if the cons far outweigh the pros. 1 Like |
Re: Living In The Uk/life As A UK Immigrant by justwise(m): 11:26am On Dec 28, 2020 |
icon8: Slow down here, is not about how good you are, it’s about preference which is largely influenced by race. Nigerians among the most educated immigrants across western world but that does not translate to job opportunities or holding higher positions. It’s a waste of time arguing this when In 2020 we still hear something like: the first black person to be appointed for this, the first black person to hold this position bla bla bla. You can shout as much as you want but when it comes to preferential treatment Nigerians/Africans is at the bottom league table. The UK leaving the EU will not change much in that regard. 9 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Living In The Uk/life As A UK Immigrant by justwise(m): 11:32am On Dec 28, 2020 |
RalphJean: Why are disagreeing with me when the highlighted part of your post just confirmed what I said. You are over qualified but they did not take you because they preferred someone else...probably white / European. Is not because you are holding Nigerians passport because if they really want to give you the job they will despite the passport you are holding. 2 Likes |
Re: Living In The Uk/life As A UK Immigrant by justwise(m): 11:37am On Dec 28, 2020 |
LagosismyHome: I believe if we are good and honest at what we do then time will help us change the narrative of preference....... but if we come and focus on negative things such as how to cheat the system, and many other nonsense then hey........ The ball is in our hand. Sadly there still some many bad eggs among the good eggs due to years of wrong orientation in naija. Even little thing such as student visa , I read some things our people do with agents and just smh, a lot lie when there even no reason for that I agree with you but it goes deeper than that , EU citizens here commit some hideous crimes but still they will not struggle to get a job as much as Nigerians or Africans. Yes changing out fraudulent behaviour will definitely go along way. 1 Like |
Re: Living In The Uk/life As A UK Immigrant by icon8: 11:37am On Dec 28, 2020 |
TheGuyFromHR:The bolded is ridiculous and ludicrous, for obvious reasons. Anyways, I’m done here. We all are entitled to our opinions. Cheers |
Re: Living In The Uk/life As A UK Immigrant by Ameey: 11:41am On Dec 28, 2020 |
Good morning house. Please what type of mattress /bed is best to get here in UK? And please possibly refer me to where I can buy online as furniture shops aren't opened here due to tier 4 restrictions. I've tried searching for mattress but there are too many types and it gets me confused. Thanks. |
Re: Living In The Uk/life As A UK Immigrant by TheGuyFromHR: 11:48am On Dec 28, 2020 |
icon8: Good luck with your notions of equality, which are sadly equally ridiculous and ludicrous. Happy New Year in advance. 2 Likes |
Re: Living In The Uk/life As A UK Immigrant by wallg123: 11:49am On Dec 28, 2020 |
Please you people should stop arguing up and down .... The UK wants her independence from EU and now she has it... Let’s enjoy the outcome or suffer the consequences... Meanwhile nobody for this group fit invite person to come chop Christmas food? Uno no dey try oh |
Re: Living In The Uk/life As A UK Immigrant by TheGuyFromHR: 11:50am On Dec 28, 2020 |
Ameey: Narrow down the questions. Start with: 1. the number of people the bed is to accommodate preferably. 2. How much space you have to play with. Amazon (again!) sells mattresses online. |
Re: Living In The Uk/life As A UK Immigrant by icon8: 11:55am On Dec 28, 2020 |
wallg123: Go chop Christmas food and catch corona lol Aren’t you in tier 4? |
Re: Living In The Uk/life As A UK Immigrant by wallg123: 11:55am On Dec 28, 2020 |
Ameey: Check next homes https://www.next.co.uk/homeware if you need luxury mattresses https://www.ikea.com/gb/en/ furniture village 1 Like 4 Shares |
Re: Living In The Uk/life As A UK Immigrant by wallg123: 11:56am On Dec 28, 2020 |
icon8:I dey Tier4 but my belle no dey any Tier 1 Like |
Re: Living In The Uk/life As A UK Immigrant by Ameey: 11:59am On Dec 28, 2020 |
Space isn't an issue. It's for 2 adults and a kid TheGuyFromHR: |
Re: Living In The Uk/life As A UK Immigrant by TheGuyFromHR: 12:14pm On Dec 28, 2020 |
Ameey: https://www.mybedframes.co.uk/blog/uk-bed-sizes-the-bed-and-mattress-size-guide/ 1 Like 2 Shares |
Re: Living In The Uk/life As A UK Immigrant by Chukwuka16: 12:15pm On Dec 28, 2020 |
icon8: See, I get you. Weeks ago, I passionately wrote about the need not to discourage young folks back home from exploring or migrating to the UK through the study route – based on the new PSW visa scheme. I still hold this view for young folks but for others, I suggest caution. However, we have to be objective here. Coming to the UK from next year for older folks needs strategy and tact on their part. You don’t want to get into a system at some certain age and just watch life roll by simply because you feel tied up – we have many immigrants in that trap and it’s only going to get worse. They have become locked-in to the system and have committed themselves to ‘gbese’ like mortgage and car finance that they have now become slaves to employment. The majority of jobs that will open up will be low-level jobs. Highly specialised and managerial roles will still mostly remain with the whites then Asians (because they own a lot of businesses here in the UK). The majority of non-EU jobs will be middle-class roles. So much work and average remuneration. I don’t hold fort for EU citizens, but I know that English Language will work against many of them. Getting a job in the UK from Nigeria won’t be uhuru from next year. You have cost for visa fees and HIS surcharge now becoming too much. How much do you earn yearly that can support you and your family’s visa application fees and IHS for 5 years and then pay for ILR and then pay for passports? Next is living expenses and rent and sundry other charges – all on top of how much? Spread the news about the PBS and let people know of the opportunities but also let them know that in the long run things may most likely not pan out well. As I write this, I just remember a discussion between me and my friend a year ago. We were returning from work when he jokingly told me that we were only 2 salaries away from being homeless. His argument was that in the event one’s salary was stopped for whatever reason, we could get away with the first month’s rent by arguing for grace/extension but by second month, we were sure going to be ejected. That was a sobering moment for me. Ask yourself truthfully if you can with your monthly expenses running your family comfortably save 6 months of your salary within a year (or 2 at most) as emergency spend in the event of an emergency (considering all the bills and sundry charges)? 8 Likes 3 Shares |
Re: Living In The Uk/life As A UK Immigrant by mattfeuter(m): 12:17pm On Dec 28, 2020 |
wallg123: Na this one concern me pass People just dey fear lol Chai, I miss Lagos |
Re: Living In The Uk/life As A UK Immigrant by icon8: 12:31pm On Dec 28, 2020 |
Chukwuka16:These are words on marble, and I’ve got nothing but respect for you. With cautious optimism, having a solid plan, and of course God’s favour, I believe most will make a success of the opportunity. Nigeria is already hard for the common man, I trust they will survive here, if they keep their eyes on the ball. Thanks for sharing. Cheers 1 Like |
Re: Living In The Uk/life As A UK Immigrant by Chukwuka16: 12:42pm On Dec 28, 2020 |
icon8: Ah, baba, mo wa ni very humble. Indeed, we can only hope and be optimistic that we continue to make great choices whenever opportunities should arise. Enjoy the day! 1 Like |
Re: Living In The Uk/life As A UK Immigrant by LagosismyHome(f): 1:12pm On Dec 28, 2020 |
TheGuyFromHR: In my experience UK is all about relevant work experience and not necessarily school expect few entry level jobs or graduate scheme jobs Apart from that.... in reality hardly would you see anybody having to choose between Ife and Dusseldorf. It more about what do you bring to the Table and how you can sell that value ... most times a lot of jobs even take people with no degree once you have the skill set they are looking for . You see it up and down . ......it Nigerians who acquire degree up and down. 4 Likes |
Re: Living In The Uk/life As A UK Immigrant by TheGuyFromHR: 1:18pm On Dec 28, 2020 |
LagosismyHome: I understand what you mean, but I used the differing schools metaphorically to stand for a hypothetical Emeka Akintunde Abubakar from Nigeria and a Klaus Schiller from Germany. It's also basically referring to my opinion that the position in the labour market of an Olajide Okoro will not necessarily improve vis-a-vis a Pierre De Ville from 1/1/21, and my opinion that racial bias in employment does exist (to what extent is debatable). I derive no joy in holding this opinion, and it is also evidenced by many studies which a cursory internet search can unearth. 3 Likes |
Re: Living In The Uk/life As A UK Immigrant by Chreze(m): 3:51pm On Dec 28, 2020 |
Hi Guys, Anyone know any shop that sells laptops with possibly lesser price aside from the manufacturer site (hp, dell). I believe there are some shops with sales and all that. Any one to recommend to buy online. Store with good PCs and no some refurbished stuff. I want to order but dell is doing that their we will build for you, which is nothing less than 15days. Need something to study with while quarantining. Also I want to know if there is anyone that does crypto here and does the person advice to use a Monzo account? Thanks in advance. |
Re: Living In The Uk/life As A UK Immigrant by flinton(m): 4:20pm On Dec 28, 2020 |
Chreze:I bought a laptop on Facebook marketplace, I negotiated online then met the seller for later part of the transaction I have done transfers from crypto account to my monzo encountered no difficulties. 1 Like |
Re: Living In The Uk/life As A UK Immigrant by Aphrodite007(f): 4:22pm On Dec 28, 2020 |
icon8: The fact that you think the bolder is ridiculous worries me. Even me as an employer wouldn’t pick a Nigerian over a Brit, having experienced the two systems of education.. unless I want to pick based on sentiment. Apologies to anyone offended but I’m being honest. I saw computing in Nigeria and I saw computing in UK, and I saw the HUGE difference. The times I hired a Nigerian over a European was cos of “na we we” not cos they were better. So if you think you’re now exempt from preferential treatment, leeeemaaaaoooo! 5 Likes |
Re: Living In The Uk/life As A UK Immigrant by Chreze(m): 4:44pm On Dec 28, 2020 |
flinton: Thanks for this. The Monzo was person to person I guess right, cos reading the Monzo rules they said they don’t accept any international payment. Sorry to border you on this. For the laptop, I am new here and won’t want to start thru that root, guess it’s gonna take sometime. I just need like a laptop store where one get some discount and delivery within few days. Hp does 48hrs, while dell is 15days above because they make for you and deliver. Just somewhere with some discount to help man save a little. Thanks bro |
Re: Living In The Uk/life As A UK Immigrant by icon8: 4:54pm On Dec 28, 2020 |
Aphrodite007: Lol. I think you need to apologise to all the hardworking and skilled professionals who studied in Nigeria and are currently plying their trade everywhere around the world. A lot of them distinguished and very accomplished! You just called all the Nigerian trained doctors on this thread quacks and mediocres compared to their European counterparts, as well as the IT practitioners, and other successful professionals in all walks of life, and the graduate students from Nigeria who finish top of their class all over the world. While I won’t hold court for anyone, I certainly do not agree with you that anyone, no matter where they were trained, is better than I am in my profession. Education is a continuum, and there is no barrier to learning in this day and age. That said, you are entirely entitled to your valuation of yourself and your worth as a Nigerian, but sadly, I don’t, and will never, share in your view. I believe I am up there with the very best, and the opinion of a stranger on a faceless platform ain’t gonna change that! Peace! 14 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Living In The Uk/life As A UK Immigrant by flinton(m): 5:06pm On Dec 28, 2020 |
Chreze:UK O.Gs will suggest better on the laptop purchase issue About monzo, I am sharing my experience, I have a binance account verified nd registered bk home, when I came here I attempted a withdrawal, it went through, since I hv been using it as a conduit |
Re: Living In The Uk/life As A UK Immigrant by Aphrodite007(f): 5:13pm On Dec 28, 2020 |
icon8: Bring sentiments in all you want, that’s your business. I mentioned an apology to people when I made my statement, but now let me bring you to my level. During my computing degree in Nigeria , I was taught pascal and VBasic, while my mates in England were learning python and c#. I have dreams of employing Nigerians based on skill not emotions, but that would be when the curriculum starts teaching the real stuff. I don’t know about the Med field but I know Nigerians are so smart that they can easily learn what’s needed in their field here and excel. However do they actually have the degree in comparison to e.g the Germans? You use your mouth and answer. If you want to misconstrue my words without thinking deeply, that’s fine- I don’t roll with petty. 2 Likes |
Re: Living In The Uk/life As A UK Immigrant by icon8: 5:30pm On Dec 28, 2020 |
Aphrodite007: Run along. I’m not in the business of wrestling in the mud with pigs. 4 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Living In The Uk/life As A UK Immigrant by Chreze(m): 5:49pm On Dec 28, 2020 |
flinton: Thank you so much. This is the best way to get pounds, that rate from Naija is crazy. Thanks man. Much respect |
Re: Living In The Uk/life As A UK Immigrant by flinton(m): 6:22pm On Dec 28, 2020 |
Chreze:Uw bro |
Re: Living In The Uk/life As A UK Immigrant by dustydee: 6:48pm On Dec 28, 2020 |
Chreze: pc world, ao.com or john lewis. 1 Like 2 Shares |
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