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Re: Obasanjo: How I Survived Dimka Coup. Olu Bajowa Saved Me by CharleyBright(m): 4:32pm On Dec 28, 2020 |
Guestlander: You are entitled to your opinion, am not going to argue with you unnecessarily. I have told you what happened as narrated by credible writers and sources. Go and do your research. |
Re: Obasanjo: How I Survived Dimka Coup. Olu Bajowa Saved Me by Guestlander: 4:36pm On Dec 28, 2020 |
CharleyBright: What credible writers? Ojukwu did not foil any coup, if anything he could have acted as an intermediary between Lagos and Nzeogwu. Stop spreading lies and distortion of history. 1 Like |
Re: Obasanjo: How I Survived Dimka Coup. Olu Bajowa Saved Me by Fvckhypocrite(f): 4:46pm On Dec 28, 2020 |
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Re: Obasanjo: How I Survived Dimka Coup. Olu Bajowa Saved Me by CharleyBright(m): 4:54pm On Dec 28, 2020 |
Guestlander: Perhaps you have a personal beef against Ojukwu.... that's your cup of tea. Let me leave you to it. |
Re: Obasanjo: How I Survived Dimka Coup. Olu Bajowa Saved Me by Guestlander: 4:57pm On Dec 28, 2020 |
CharleyBright: Perhaps you have a beef with the truth. If Ojukwu foiled the coup in the north why then would Ironsi enter into an agreement with Nzeogwu to stand down. 1 Like |
Re: Obasanjo: How I Survived Dimka Coup. Olu Bajowa Saved Me by CharleyBright(m): 5:52pm On Dec 28, 2020 |
Guestlander: Mister Man, If Ojukwu was part of the Nzeogwu coup, why was he never arrested or named as one of the plotters long after the coup plotters were arrested? Why was Ojukwu still allowed to command the Kano Battalion after the Coup? Why is it that till today, no one has ever linked Ojukwu to the Nzeogwu coup, except you? It is you, that is coming with such erroneous narrative. Sources and writers has it that Ojukwu who was commander of the Kano Battalion then, fought and repelled Nzegwu (who was said to be relieving Lt Col. Kurubo and temporarily overseeing the Kaduna Battallion the day the coup happened), as Nzeogwu tried to takeover Kano Battalion from Kaduna. Point of information, Ojukwu left Kano to Onitsha after he protested the ending killings of many Ibo officers following the Nzeogwu coup. 3 Likes |
Re: Obasanjo: How I Survived Dimka Coup. Olu Bajowa Saved Me by owobokiri(m): 6:09pm On Dec 28, 2020 |
HedwigesMaduro: Gowon was in Uganda when he was overthrown! Maybe he was also tipped off.. idiagbon, the brain behind Buharis regime in the 80s was in Saudi Arabia when their government was toppled and it has been said that the coup plotters planned it that way to make sure he wasn't around to mess up things! Maybe he was tipped off too.. Most coup plotters will prefer the commander in chief not being around to command a reactionary force during the coup process. It was the case in nigeria as it was the situation elsewhere in different occasions... About Ironsi not being "assassinated"? Looks like you like assassinations a lot.. Don't know what else to add to that. If everything written here by others couldn't clear you on that, nothing I will say can help.., so.. 5 Likes |
Re: Obasanjo: How I Survived Dimka Coup. Olu Bajowa Saved Me by Guestlander: 6:34pm On Dec 28, 2020 |
CharleyBright: I never said Ojukwu was part of the coup! Where did you get that from? Ojukwu did not fight Nzeogwu because the north was effectively under Nzeogwu. Nzeogwu surrendered after some agreements with the authorities in Lagos. |
Re: Obasanjo: How I Survived Dimka Coup. Olu Bajowa Saved Me by T9ksy(m): 6:39pm On Dec 28, 2020 |
CharleyBright: Oga, why are you trying to obfuscate yourselves? Guestlander: How does the question above translate to asserting that "Ojukwu was part of the Nzeogwu coup? Can you please also furnish us with the source (and writers) of your claim that Ojukwu fought and repelled Nzeogwu from taking over kano? Lastly, when exactly did Ojukwu left Kano for Onitsha? I patiently await your lucid and unambiguous response. |
Re: Obasanjo: How I Survived Dimka Coup. Olu Bajowa Saved Me by Iamdrealstar(m): 7:48pm On Dec 28, 2020 |
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Re: Obasanjo: How I Survived Dimka Coup. Olu Bajowa Saved Me by Nobody: 8:34pm On Dec 28, 2020 |
owobokiri: Gowon went for OAU meeting. As the head of state he had to go. Idiagbon went for Hajj. As a Muslim he had to. Zik went for... I can't remember. I like assassinations a lot? Like you like travelling a lot is the reason you touched on Gowon and Idiagbon. And I'm here thinking we are being serious? |
Re: Obasanjo: How I Survived Dimka Coup. Olu Bajowa Saved Me by bigpicture001: 8:41pm On Dec 28, 2020 |
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Re: Obasanjo: How I Survived Dimka Coup. Olu Bajowa Saved Me by CharleyBright(m): 9:26pm On Dec 28, 2020 |
Guestlander: No Sir. The North was not entirely under Nzeogwu control during the coup. If Nzeogwu had captured Kano Battalion during the coup, where was Ojukwu who was the commander of Kano Battalion then? And what happened to Ojukwu then? And if Nzeogwu didn't capture Kano Battalion, what stopped him from doing so? What happened was that, (as alleged) Nzeogwu had been drafted to temporarily relief Lt Col Kurubu as commander of Kaduna Battalion. Nzeogwu was already in charge of Kaduna Battalion the day coup took place, not that he over ran it. However, Emeka Ojukwu was the commander of the Kano Battalion. And when the coup happened, Nzeogwu tried to over-run Kano from Kaduna, but was repelled by Ojukwu and was pushed back to Kaduna. Nzeogwu never took control of Kano under Ojukwu during the coup. Nzeogwu only took hold of Kaduna Battalion and refused to Stand down in Kaduna days after the coup had been botched. 1 Like |
Re: Obasanjo: How I Survived Dimka Coup. Olu Bajowa Saved Me by Christistruth00: 10:23pm On Dec 28, 2020 |
CharleyBright: Ojukwu and Ironsi were part of the NCNC Coup Nzeogwu was a pawn in a bigger Grand Plot |
Re: Obasanjo: How I Survived Dimka Coup. Olu Bajowa Saved Me by seunmsg(m): 11:24pm On Dec 28, 2020 |
CharleyBright: You are really funny. Was Ironsi the next in line to become the head of government after Balewa? After putting down the coup, was it not logical that he should support Dipcharima as the leader of the party with the majority in parliament to take over as prime minister? Ironsi with the support of other senior officers foiled the coup quite alright. However, he executed another coup immediately in conjunction with NCNC politicians. He took over the government forcefully from elected parliamentarians instead of supporting them to restore normalcy. Ironsi as the head of the military was not entitled to take over the government after the failed coup. The military must always support civilian government always. He had the choice of helping to restore civilian rule after the murder of Balewa but choose to forcefully impose himself as head of state and supreme commander. 3 Likes |
Re: Obasanjo: How I Survived Dimka Coup. Olu Bajowa Saved Me by thatigboman: 12:00am On Dec 29, 2020 |
Christistruth00:records have proven that obasanjo was the mastermind of the coup. Killed his oga and became head of state 1 Like |
Re: Obasanjo: How I Survived Dimka Coup. Olu Bajowa Saved Me by thatigboman: 12:02am On Dec 29, 2020 |
HedwigesMaduro:Zik went to the UK to see the Queen. Any other question? |
Re: Obasanjo: How I Survived Dimka Coup. Olu Bajowa Saved Me by PARADIZEPRIEST: 4:11am On Dec 29, 2020 |
rubbish ppl who destroyd naija democracy fr 1966 ![]() |
Re: Obasanjo: How I Survived Dimka Coup. Olu Bajowa Saved Me by Nobody: 5:22am On Dec 29, 2020 |
thatigboman: Oh! Yeah. I remember he was the pussy cat. 1 Like |
Re: Obasanjo: How I Survived Dimka Coup. Olu Bajowa Saved Me by Christistruth00: 5:25am On Dec 29, 2020 |
thatigboman: Link the records please |
Re: Obasanjo: How I Survived Dimka Coup. Olu Bajowa Saved Me by owobokiri(m): 5:57am On Dec 29, 2020 |
CharleyBright: You are trying to teach the unteachables... They will never agree to the truth unless you tell them the same story their uncles told them. Most of them are getting their real basic education about these events on this platform for the very first time! This means that all the conjectures and conspiracy theories they have been peddling all along about the Jan 15 coup and the other subsequent coups are utterly wrong! They won't own up to their misunderstanding of facts, events and of course history because by doing so, they will start to see and seem to agree to the treacherous roles played by their uncles during the follow up events. So rather than read and accept the facts as you have stated here continuously, they will argue and argeu and argeu and drag you from all sides till they mess up the whole thread! What I will not understand is why somebody born many years after an event will choose to speak of the same event that happened years before he was born so authoritatively that even the recorded views of the participants in such events are discarded! Mischief much!? There are books written by participants of January 15, 1966 coup! Both by Ben Gbulie (Nigerias Five Majors) an Igbo and Adewale Ademoyega (Why We Struck) a Yoruba! None mentioned Ironsi as a member of their group!! They rather bemoaned the inability of the Lagos group to track him down and arrest him. Why are our resident revisionists here desperate to name Ironsi as a member of the coup plotters then? 4 Likes |
Re: Obasanjo: How I Survived Dimka Coup. Olu Bajowa Saved Me by CharleyBright(m): 7:18am On Dec 29, 2020 |
seunmsg: The Problem with you young lads is that you always fail to read to understand and acquire knowledge. All you do is to argue blindly without even understanding scenarios on ground. Now so you know, after the Nzeogwu coup, the country was in total chaos. The Northern rank and file soldiers were revolting and many of them went into the streets of Lagos, Ibadan, Kano and some cities and were protesting and looting. With tensions brewing in many cities, and Northern Soldiers threatening reprisal attacks (which eventual did), the only way these could be checked was for the Military to be in charge to control its soldiers. Tell mr, was that time to swear in whoever civjlian was nexr in line and allow civilian govt to be in charge? Soldiers are all over the streets. protesting and you say you want to bring in Civilian govt? No. That would be counter productive. On the other hand, Aguyi Ironsi was the most senior Military officer on ground. Besides, he was the key person that botched the coup. Days after the coup after other members of the coup had surrendered and arrested, Nzeogwu had not surrendered and was still holding Kaduna Battalion. There was chaos, and Military negotiations was ongoing to make him surrender. Was it the civilian govt that was supposed to do the Negotiations? Eventually when Nzeogwu surrendered, tensions escalated as the Northern soldiers then started the killing spree. They killed at will. Now was that time for Civilian govt to be in control? Also, I wonder what you people mean when u say Ironsi "Forcefully took over". Do you know what forcefully take over a govt mean? That means by coup or use of gun. If you fully know the meaning of what you say, I will say No such thing happened. The Military have their way of making their leaders. It was agreed by the MIlitary Council then that Aguyi Ironsi was to be Head of State. So pls stop spreading false info that Ironsi forcefully took power. And so to let u know, one of the reasons why the Nzeogwu coup took place was that the civilian govt were corrupt and wasteful. Nigerians then understood so and partially welcomed the coup but not the bloodbath that went with it. Nigerians did not want that Civilian rule then. Lastly My advice to you is to go and do your research well. Read and acquire knowledge to adequately know and understand what you don't know. 6 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Obasanjo: How I Survived Dimka Coup. Olu Bajowa Saved Me by nku5: 7:40am On Dec 29, 2020 |
Guestlander: Nzeogwu was only really in charge of the capital of the north which was Kaduna. Ojukwu in Kano refused to cooperate with Nzeogwu. When the latter sent an emissary to Kano, he was promptly arrested. Nzeogwu never agreed to stand down, he was deceived into meeting with Ironsi in Lagos for peaceful talks and was arrested immediately. As for Ironsi not executing the plotters, they were all arrested pending investigation and trial. Gowon was directly in charge of supervising the Special Branch (CID) that was conducting the investigation. He was obviously busy planning to seize power instead of getting to the bottom of the coup plot 2 Likes |
Re: Obasanjo: How I Survived Dimka Coup. Olu Bajowa Saved Me by CharleyBright(m): 7:41am On Dec 29, 2020 |
owobokiri: These unneccesary back and forth argument with some of these Nairalanders can be so annoying sometimes. Most especially people who have no knowledge about an issue but will come up and be arguing endlessly based on their fixated preconceived and prejudiced mindsets. 4 Likes |
Re: Obasanjo: How I Survived Dimka Coup. Olu Bajowa Saved Me by CharleyBright(m): 7:48am On Dec 29, 2020 |
nku5: You have good knowledge of what happened. These people have been dragging me with argument back and forth about Nzeogwu taking over Kano battalion during the coup. What happened was that Nzeogwu had been drafted to temporarily relief the Kaduna Commander when the coup happened. Nzeogwu was already in charge of Kaduna battalion that day and he tried to over run Kano Battalion from Kaduna thinking Ojukwu will let him do that. But Ojuwkwu fought him and pushed him back to Kaduna where he remained until he surrendered several days after the coup. |
Re: Obasanjo: How I Survived Dimka Coup. Olu Bajowa Saved Me by nku5: 7:49am On Dec 29, 2020 |
CharleyBright: I honestly enjoy dismantling the fake history I come across on NL. In fact the more prejudiced a person is, the more fun it is pounding knowledge into him |
Re: Obasanjo: How I Survived Dimka Coup. Olu Bajowa Saved Me by nku5: 7:53am On Dec 29, 2020 |
CharleyBright: Thanks boss. I love history more than palmy ![]() |
Re: Obasanjo: How I Survived Dimka Coup. Olu Bajowa Saved Me by CharleyBright(m): 8:00am On Dec 29, 2020 |
nku5: No. He surrendered technically. He knew he had no choice and time was running out on him. He negotiated his condition of surrendering. That was the basis of him coming into agreement with Ironsi to leave Kaduna battalion. Summarily, he surrendered on condition. 1 Like |
Re: Obasanjo: How I Survived Dimka Coup. Olu Bajowa Saved Me by CharleyBright(m): 8:10am On Dec 29, 2020 |
nku5: What most Nigerians don't understand was the difficult situation Aguyi Ironsi faced then. Reading from various books about the Nzeogwu coup, I really felt (and almost cried ) for Ironsi. He was in a midst of total chaos and surrendered by antagonistic Northern officers who felt his IBO tribe did a coup against the North, and he was also faced with the accusation from his IBO soldiers for not protecting them from the Northern reprisal attacks. To be Neutral and satisfy both ends was even perceived as a weakness on his part. At the end, the Northern soldiers didn't trust him, and his IBO soldiers didn't trust him either. Till today, some ibos don't celebrate Ironsi cos they almost take him to have betrayed them during that progrom. 4 Likes |
Re: Obasanjo: How I Survived Dimka Coup. Olu Bajowa Saved Me by Guestlander: 8:59am On Dec 29, 2020 |
owobokiri: Both of you are talking rubbish. Did Nzeogwu need to take Kano in addition to being in control in Kaduna? Six months later when Murtala and his gang took control of Lagos even when the head of state was killed in Ibadan, did he also need to physically take other formations in the country? Kaduna was the seat of power in the North, that is why it was taken by Nzeogwu. Whether Ojukwu was the GOC in Kano was irrelevant. Nzeogwu was most certainly ready for any pesky opposition from any quarters. You are probably learning basic stuff on this forum yourself.
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Re: Obasanjo: How I Survived Dimka Coup. Olu Bajowa Saved Me by CharleyBright(m): 9:41am On Dec 29, 2020 |
Guestlander: My dear young man, you don't need to resort to insults to prove your point. You don't say people are talking rubbish because you don't agree with their position. Be civil online cos you don't know when you are talking to your elders. Firstly, let me inform and educate you. The Murtala Mohammed coup did not happen 6months after the Nzeogwu coup. After Nzeogwu coup, Ironsi took over. Then Ironsi was assassinated, then Gowon took over and was Head of State all thru the Civil War and after. When Gowon was removed thru a coup, Murtala Mohammed took over before he was assassinated 6 months into his govt. So your point that Murtala Mohammed coup happened 6months after Nzeogwu is wrong. Secondly, the Dimka coup that assassinated Murtala Mohammed was the most flawed and badly planned and executed coup ever in the history of Nigeria and Africa. Even the Coup Message was badly written that when it was read, it showed that they were confused on their intentions. And these and other silly mistakes they made were many reasons why it failed. You made reference to Dimka coup as didn't bother to be in control of other army artillery in other locations in the country. My young lad, that was the very key reason why the coup failed. They were very incompetence and foolish to think they can do a military coup without disarming other military locations and taking charge. They failed in that coup cos other Military divisions rose up to close in on them in Lagos. Now going back to the Nzeogwu coup, there were a few Army Battalions then during Nzeogwu coup. One in 2 Battalions in Lagos, one in Ibadan, One in Enugu, one in Kaduna and one in Kano. All these Battalions needed to be taken over as key to their coup plan. Enugu and Kaduna were taken over by the coupists. Lagos and Ibadan were almost taken over, but Ironsi fought back and overpowered the coupists maned in Lagos. Nzeogwu who was in Kaduna then tries to take Kano, but Ojukwu in Kano fought back and repelled him. Go and read books written by Army Officers who were on ground and later wrote books about what transpired. Knowledge is Power. Read and acquire knowledge and stop arguing blindly and insulting people unnecessarily. 5 Likes |
Re: Obasanjo: How I Survived Dimka Coup. Olu Bajowa Saved Me by Guestlander: 9:44am On Dec 29, 2020 |
CharleyBright: I said Murtala because he was behind the coup. This is a fact, Murtala and his gang merely chose Gowon to lead the junta. He came back nine years later to kick Gowon out, this is another fact. You are getting everything wrong, do you think well trained officers who got their education both in Nigeria and overseas are so naive that they didn't factor in how to take over important military formations when planning a coup? Sir, Ojukwu was never a threat to Nzeogwu when he took control of the north. The coup was totally successful in the north and that is why Ironsi had to negotiate a surrender rather than forcefully taking Nzeogwu. |
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