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Re: Oni Was A Chief Priest by TAO11(f): 9:54pm On Dec 30, 2020 |
samuk:You are going circular now. After debunking your lies about J. E. G. Sutton’s identification of Ibn Battuta’s “Yufi”; you’ve now fled back to the beginning — that is, to hinterland vs coast. This has been debunked countless times on this same thread. Can’t you cope with some pain by accepting where God has put you exactly how it is? Haha! In other words, the farther the Europeans’ penetration into the hinterland of early West Africa, the greater their risk of malaria. This is basic high school stuff, Saamu. You should do better than this. I guess European explorers also didn't visit Ife because they were also afraid of being killed.You raise a dumb point; you proceed to debunk it while pretending to be unaware; you then finally proceed to commit the ab absurdo logical fallacy in the hope of veiling your idiocy. Your pain is felt. I’m sending you love and light during these tough times. In any case, suicide should never be an option. Hold tight to God. 3 Likes 2 Shares
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Re: Oni Was A Chief Priest by samuk: 10:04pm On Dec 30, 2020 |
TAO11: Okay, I am sure nairalanders have all heard you that the reason Europeans didn't visit Yoruba hinterland until 1824 was because they were afraid of mosquitos. |
Re: Oni Was A Chief Priest by TAO11(f): 10:07pm On Dec 30, 2020 |
samuk:Absolutely! Somehow within me, I kind of feel that you genuinely do not know that. Forget about your usual pretence of feigning unaware. LMAO! Let me put this to you in question form: (1) Did you know before now that the Europeans have a very low immunity against mosquito bites?? (2) Did you know before now that the deeper they penetrated into the West African hinterlands, the more their risk of malaria?? Did you know these before now? Please answer genuinely. Yes, I know “genuine” is too much to ask from a Bini. I’m only taking the risk. 8 Likes 4 Shares |
Re: Oni Was A Chief Priest by babtoundey(m): 10:08pm On Dec 30, 2020 |
TAO11: Ife never had anything to do with Benin because His Europeans authors who are the most dependable sources of his history did not record it. Then, all these men Eweka I, Ewuare I, Ezoti, Oguola, Ozolua, Olua, et al never, at any point in time, existed in Benin history because the same Europeans were silent about them and unaware of their existence. You just murdered him with his own permutations and fabrications. And Yufi is now Zimbabwe... I have been laughing hard about this. Saamu, why Zimbabwe again? You have moved from Nupe to Birnin-Kebbi to Igala. Now you are arriving at Zimbabwe. With the rate you are going, you will soon land in Russia, Iraq and Iran. Do you have to shamelessly dislodge Benin ascendance from Ife with such ridiculous assertion! Everything is there for you to see in the shared slang, religion,deities and traditions. Your people gladly bear Yoruba names, worship Yoruba Gods, embrace Yoruba traditional norms and deify Yoruba heroes (one of whom is Oranmiyan). You ignored all these and went to align with Zimbabwe, Russia, Nupe, Birnin-Kebbi, Japan and Russia who don't share any other thing with you other than being human. Tao, keep killing him and his allies. They sure cannot survive it. I can see Samuk foaming in the mouth already while Gregboy and his duplicated moniker have disappeared and gone with the wind 4 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Oni Was A Chief Priest by TAO11(f): 10:14pm On Dec 30, 2020 |
babtoundey:The thing is they are quite certain that their lies will get them somewhere. 2 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Oni Was A Chief Priest by babtoundey(m): 10:22pm On Dec 30, 2020 |
TAO11: It is getting them nowhere than the cesspool of shame and disgrace. Uncle Samuk has been saying/typing/ conceiving dobodobo since. 2 Likes |
Re: Oni Was A Chief Priest by TAO11(f): 10:25pm On Dec 30, 2020 |
babtoundey:Mean! 1 Like 1 Share
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Re: Oni Was A Chief Priest by sesan85(m): 10:37pm On Dec 30, 2020 |
gregyboy: Why is your Oba called "Ikeji Orisha," "Ovbi Adimula" (son of Adimula) and "Abieyuwa N'ovbi Odua N'uhe (The son of the wealthy Odua of Ife)? 2 Likes |
Re: Oni Was A Chief Priest by sesan85(m): 10:38pm On Dec 30, 2020 |
samuk:This colossal slowpoke doesn't even know the praise names of his own Oba, smh. And this is the incorrigible dimwit TAO11 has been wasting intellectual energy on? 4 Likes |
Re: Oni Was A Chief Priest by TAO11(f): 10:39pm On Dec 30, 2020 |
sesan85:Lol! 1 Like 3 Shares |
Re: Oni Was A Chief Priest by Balogunodua(m): 11:00pm On Dec 30, 2020 |
TAO11:Lolzzz... you just killed him with this.... What do expect from a slowpoke like samuk and his fellow miscreants...they always screenshot a particular page that suit their propaganda.. 1 Like |
Re: Oni Was A Chief Priest by TAO11(f): 11:15pm On Dec 30, 2020 |
Balogunodua:Haha! Even the pages he refers to do not support his lies. I could have disgraced him from his own pages but I chose to go straight to the culmination of the author’s work (i.e. the summary) after which there was no further analysis from the author. The author clearly showed (both on his pages and the summary) that Ibn Battuta’s notes indicate that he was referring to two different places — one in South-Eastern Africa; and the popular one being Ife in Western Africa. Let me attach the summary page here again to keep him reminded as he his fond of pretending to be amnesiac for every new Nairaland page that comes up. His pains, sorrows, disappointments, and frustrations are understandable. His kingdom could not be noticed at a time when Ife was already making waves in the world. 1 Like 1 Share
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Re: Oni Was A Chief Priest by Balogunodua(m): 11:38pm On Dec 30, 2020 |
TAO11:I have read his so called screenshot and it does not say Yufi was not Ufe (Ife) that is located in West Africa, it only say ls the other Yufi in Kilwa Ibn Battuta is talking about is located in Zimbabwe. If I'm not mistaking... 1 Like |
Re: Oni Was A Chief Priest by TAO11(f): 12:04am On Dec 31, 2020 |
Balogunodua:Absolutely! J. E. G. Sutton simply states that Ibn Battuta himself (or his secretary) overused the name of “Ife” when referring to two different major black Africa kingdoms who were, at the time, already in trade contact with the wider world. And he identified these two black African kingdoms from Ibn Battuta’s notes as: (1) Ife itself in west Africa — reaching the wider world via Mali/the Saharan caravan. (2) Zimbabwe in south-east Africa — reaching the wider world via Kilwa/the Indian Ocean. During this period, bEnIn kInGdOm was, as expected, no where to be found — much less noticed from Mali. ———————— PS: The attachment below (from page 148 of the same article) illustrates these early international routes more clearly with my red highlights. NB: The phrase “Places Mentioned” in this attachment does not refer to places mentioned by Ibn Battuta. Rather, the phrase refers to places mentioned by Sutton in this article wherein he discusses Ibn Battuta’s notes. Only some of these places were mentioned by name in Ibn Battuta’s notes — e.g. Mali, Ife, etc. 6 Likes 4 Shares
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Re: Oni Was A Chief Priest by samuk: 1:13am On Dec 31, 2020 |
Balogunodua: Are you guys this dull, did Ife had any Yemeni connection or gold dust? Did you read the article at all or Tao lies has eaten so deep into your brains that you can no longer comprehend what you read? Ibn Bittuta never mentioned Ife by name. Your later day revisionist are the ones inferring Ife to be Yufi. If Ife had gold, the Europeans would have known about it and be there. Stop promoting fictitious Ife, Ife was a little unknown villages. The Ooni is still struggling to get proper recognition by the Oba of Lagos, Awujale of Ijebu and Olugbo. 1 Like |
Re: Oni Was A Chief Priest by gregyboy(m): 1:17am On Dec 31, 2020 |
sesan85: Okiji Orisha was never his praise title neither does any benin understand it, Adimula is not a Yoruba name the last time i checked Abieyuwa n ovbi uhe, is a receipt titled added his title to promote the bini ife myth, it was never an ancient title but rather a 2020 title, which we know was included for cultural supiority issh Just get it at the back if your mind benin-ife was a made up shit by the binis and yoruba after the creation of nigeria to unite edo ad a Yoruba tribe they needed a common history such as oduduwa |
Re: Oni Was A Chief Priest by samuk: 1:21am On Dec 31, 2020 |
sesan85: You demonstrate the hallmarks of an illiterate. Are you not aware that Benin oral tradition says Oduduwa was a Benin prince? My argument is there is nothing in either Benin or Yoruba history that supports Benin/Ife relationship earlier than 1800s. Tao is still looking for evidence to prove me wrong. Until then, you guys can continue to fool yourselves with fabrications. |
Re: Oni Was A Chief Priest by TAO11(f): 1:28am On Dec 31, 2020 |
samuk:I’m still here @samuk. Moreover, it’s past 1:00 AM Nigerian time. Is there anything serious keeping you awake?? LMAO! Anyways, Ife does have gold dust (aka alluvial gold) as well as trade connection through the Sahara with the wider Middle-East according to your own very article which you obviously fail to read. All you have to do is read. Yes, I know the word “read” scares the soul out of you. Moreover, Ife was mentioned by name by Ibn Battuta. He transcribed the local name “Ufe” [aka “Ife”] in Arabic rendition as “Yufi”. Exactly the same way the early Portuguese transcribed the local name “Ubini” [aka “Ibini”] as “Beny”. The only difference being that the Yorubas wouldn’t abandon their own pronunciation for a foreigner’s rendition. The Binis did exactly that. The Binis’ inferiority complex has clearly been around for some time. I learnt that your daddies call the Europeans “children of Gods”. Lol! I also learnt from Captain Crows memoirs of 1791 that whenever “they [the Binis] meet an EUrOpEaN they fall down on the right knee, clap their hands three times and exclaim ‘We reverence you!’“. ROTFLMAO! Having said that, refer to the attachment below from (your own source) for a gentle reminder of how your own source, Sutton, wraps up and summarizes. www.nairaland.com/attachments/12917193_76c3e1e30741408794757b4e3c9229ae_jpeg_jpeg2e80fe98bff4db63b4a25e0a3490b446 Ibn Battuta, in addition to writing about Ife in west Africa (now I’m wondering if Zimbabwe is in West Africa), also [over]used Ife’s name for an entirely different polity down south. [s]Stop promoting fictitious Ife, Ife was a little unknown villages. The Ooni is still struggling to get proper recognition by the Oba of Lagos, Awujale of Ijebu and Olugbo[/s]You mean fictitious bEnIn kIngDoM that wasn’t even worth considering by Ibn Battuta in the 1300s?? You mean how the Oba of Benin struggles till date to get any recognition from the Ogiame family which is based right inside Benin city. In sum, it’s modern time and everyone has the liberty to associate and dis-associate from whomsoever they please. What remains unchanging, however, is that the actual line from which the Olugbo claim to have originally descended (the Obatala line) accepts the supremacy of the Ooni till date. Moreover, the progenitor of the present ruling dynasty of Lagos Island (i.e. Ashipa) is recognized in the Lagos traditions as an Isheri chief of Ife royal descent through Olofin Ogunfunminire. Finally, the present Awujale’s ancestor remains frozen in both picture and writing till date where he consented to being one of the princes that went out originally from Ife. These are the facts that matter. Not the modern-day superficial permutations and combinations. Cc: Balogunodua, Sesan85 6 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Oni Was A Chief Priest by TAO11(f): 1:34am On Dec 31, 2020 |
samuk:Sharrap liar! Benin’s extant oral traditions actually says nothing of such rubbish. Prior to the 1970s, Benin traditions maintain simply that Oduduwa, an Ife king from the Yoruba country, is the grandfather of the Benin monarchy. It took some random Bini men a lot of inferiority complex in the 1970s to come up with the strange fabrication which historians have at once rejected as an interesting nonsense. In fact, what is interesting is that this 1970s fabrication is not the “official” tradition of the Benin palace which it avails the academic community. [s]My argument is there is nothing in either Benin or Yoruba history that supports Benin/Ife relationship earlier than 1800s.[/s]This has been established from both textual and archaeological evidence multiple times all over Nairaland including on this very thread. [s]Tao is still looking for evidence to prove me wrong. Until then, you guys can continue to fool yourselves with fabrications.[/s]You may continue your life in denial like I have adviced you — but providing it is effective in helping you cope with the sad reality (for you) of the ancient pre-1400 Ife-Benin connection. Cc: sesan85 5 Likes 4 Shares |
Re: Oni Was A Chief Priest by TAO11(f): 1:47am On Dec 31, 2020 |
@sasan85, did you notice where “my rag” remarked that the praise poetries of the Benin king which link him to Ife as an Ife child were recently added in 2020 for the purpose of propping up Benin culture and elevating Benin kingdom. That’s actually a very interesting confession to make as may be seen in the embedded screenshot below. www.nairaland.com/attachments/12917281_45d7124c0d6645f69946e79346971b0e_jpeg_jpeg60cba7f56748c2bb6209048e8aad3df0 Moreover, “Adimula” is a pure Yoruba word with no meaning at all in Bini language. But if you must insist otherwise, then here is the challenge for you, my rag: What does “Adimula” mean in Bini language? Show us an analysis of its syllabic components just as I would be doing with the Yoruba ‘parallel’ below: “Adimula” = “He/that [whom/which is] held on to, [to] save [one]” “A” = Refers to the pronoun: “he” or “that”. “Dìmú” = To “hold on to” sth. “Là” = To be saved. I should also add that Benin kings’ praise poetry is not actually “Adimula” itself. Rather, the praise poetry of the kings of Benin is “Ovbi’ Adimula” meaning: “Child of the Adimula”. “Adimula” itself is a praise poetry of Ife kings till date. 6 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Oni Was A Chief Priest by Obalufon: 2:19am On Dec 31, 2020 |
samuk:Portuguese get to know about the Benins from the Itshekiri .. Think of the distance to Ile -ife Samuk..Benin was nearer to warri,, lot of water channels from warri to Benin which ease the rigor of travelling through unknown route ..Go and read Portuguese account about ile-ife ..Portuguese get to know about ile-ife from the Benin Royals... 1 Like |
Re: Oni Was A Chief Priest by Balogunodua(m): 8:21am On Dec 31, 2020 |
samuk:Samuk why are you so daft and stupid.... You didn't even read and understand what you posted..is Yemini or Zimbabwe in West Africa? Your lies have blind to the point of confusion... 1 Like |
Re: Oni Was A Chief Priest by Balogunodua(m): 8:31am On Dec 31, 2020 |
TAO11:I don't know why this Edo peeps are so daft...they are ready to swallow anything their European master tells them when it suits their agenda...but when it doesn't they claim same Europeans are lying.... 2 Likes |
Re: Oni Was A Chief Priest by AntiBalogunodua: 8:38am On Dec 31, 2020 |
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Re: Oni Was A Chief Priest by AntiBalogunodua: 8:39am On Dec 31, 2020 |
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Re: Oni Was A Chief Priest by AntiBalogunodua: 8:42am On Dec 31, 2020 |
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Re: Oni Was A Chief Priest by Balogunodua(m): 8:55am On Dec 31, 2020 |
TAO11: He will come back and tell you Adimula means Prince of Prince.... 1 Like |
Re: Oni Was A Chief Priest by sesan85(m): 9:07am On Dec 31, 2020 |
samuk: Dear annoying, stubborn, incorrigible midwit, your ill-educated "fictional Ife" cockamamie has been debunked by even your own Bini ancestors who call your Ife descended Oba "Abieyuwa N'ovbi Odua N'uhe" (The son of the wealthy Odua of Ife), appellations your dumb ass wasn't even aware of. Secondly, can you show me any reputable "oral tradition" of Benin (whether local or foreign) which claims Oduduwa Olofin Adimula was some spurious Ekala-whatever, or Izoduwa, or Imadoduwa from Benin predating Erediauwa's 1970s-80s revisionist and ahistorical dross? How come in the praise names of your Oba, Oduduwa's other name "Adimula" gets a mention (your Oba is also called "ovbi' Adimula" - son of Adimula), but no presence of Ekala-whatever? Again, how come there's an Ugie Odudua (a Bini festival in honour of Oduduwa) and no Ugie Ekala-whatever? Could it be that your Bini ancestors weren't aware that Oduduwa was Ekala-whatever? Unlike TAO11, I don't believe in showing civility to irredeemable knuckleheads who pompously disseminate ignorance and don't care about facts hence I avoid "debating" with colossal clowns like you. You call Ife "fictional Ife" but your own Bini ancestors venerate the same "fictional Ife"? The irony. 4 Likes |
Re: Oni Was A Chief Priest by samuk: 10:33am On Dec 31, 2020 |
sesan85: An illiterate masks every word with insults to divert attention, this is the practice here on nairaland by the average Yoruba, this can only intimidate someone who have nothing to say. I just zigzag through your insults and see nothing tangible and sensible in your comments as usual. Someone with sound education and with superior knowledge and information always relishes the opportunity to school the less informed or ignorant. The reason I am always reluctant to reply Yoruba insults most of the time is because, it distracts from the knowledge and education I am passing into your block heads. Insults doesn't win you an argument and it doesn't distract me from bursting your lies. In Benin oral tradition, the Benin prince Ekaladerhan assumed the name Izoduwa (I have chosen the part of wealth) which the Yoruba corrupted to Oduduwa. He chose this name because of the circumstances surrounding his escape from Benin to Ife, beside, it's customary for every Benin prince to choose a new name on assumption or when they become an Oba. Benin oral history says Ekaladerhan became oba with the new name Izoduwa AKA Oduduwa in Ife Enough of the Oral history above because it's nothing but a fantastic myths to the average Benin person. Like every society, Benin also have her myths and this is one of them. Benin rather dwells on real history because Benin is full of history. Yoruba don't have history, so they relish myths and they try to present their myths as history to the less informed. Even the Yoruba can't prove that Oduduwa wasn't a myth that came into Benin oral history in the 1800s. The reason the Yoruba is fixated with the Benin/Ife connection is without it Yoruba history is nothing. Yoruba history that started in 1824 when the Europeans first visited Oyo needs Benin history desperately to backdate their history to the 1100s through the fabricated Benin/Ife relationship. This was a grand conspiracy against the Igbos because it gives the Yoruba history an illegitimate legitimacy above Igbo history. Yoruba people as we know them today began in 1808 through the amalgamation of freed and returnee slaves with the negro of south western Nigeria. Sesan85 did you notice that I hardly have any room for insults during the course of this lecture? It's so because I have something to say and a superior knowledge and information than you. The irrefutable facts. 1. As already stated, modern Yoruba was created in 1808 from descendants of freed slaves from all over Africa and south west Nigeria people. 2. Some of you here are parroting Ife as your new homes because you no longer know where you originally descended from in African because of the circumstance in which your ancestors found themselves in Nigeria amongst the south western people of Nigeria. 3. Most original people or owners of south western Nigeria don't subscribe to Ife or Ooni supremacy, this is still evidence today. After almost 100 years of the political creation of Ife as the cradle of Yoruba nation, the Ooni and Ife is still struggling to gain any recognition from the Oba of Lagos, Awujale of Ijebu, Olugbo, etc, the superiority of the last Ooni was never recognised by the Alaafin. 4. If Ife was genuinely the cradle of Yoruba civilisation and not a concocted and fabricated lie, there wouldn't have been supremacy tussle amongst south west monarchs. 5. The supremacy of the Benin monarch is not being questioned by any monarchy in the entire south south Nigeria because Benin is real while Ife is a fake political imitation. 6. All Oba of Lagos from present to previous sees the Oba of Benin as their royal father not the Ooni. They see themselves as Benin descendants not Ife. 7. You will hardly see real Ife here on nairaland debating what they know to be lies. Only the wannabe without historical roots are here parroting Ife fabrications and lies. 8. Yoruba can only try to sell theirs lies to those that don't know or have history. Benin itself is history others study and the average Benin person is very much at home with history and can't be intimidated and cowed by insults from nitwits without historical roots. 5 Likes |
Re: Oni Was A Chief Priest by Obalufon: 10:50am On Dec 31, 2020 |
samuk:Are you for real ? 1 Like |
Re: Oni Was A Chief Priest by samuk: 10:55am On Dec 31, 2020 |
Obalufon: Point to the part you disagree with for me to provide you with evidence. |
Re: Oni Was A Chief Priest by PORNeIlusHUBson: 10:56am On Dec 31, 2020 |
One Day we go go the Oba palace to hear what he says |
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