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Re: Oni Was A Chief Priest by TAO11(f): 9:48pm On Jan 02, 2021 |
Etinosa1234:Like I said, wait for death before you actually die. Stop dying before death. Everyone can already see through your insecurities and fears. And guess what, this piece of your lie-rooted history is about to be washed off as I always do — with evidence. Moreover, can you please educate us on how the claim that “Eko” was from “Oko” is mutually exclusive to the fact-based-finding that “Eko” flowed into Benin lexicon from Yoruba/Dutch (and not the other way round) ?? We are all patiently listening to read your great exposition of how these two are mutually exclusive, aka contradictory. Oh also, I have not said anything about what “Eko” means in Dutch or Yoruba. I only talked about what it later came to mean in Benin language. Stop pretending to be a mind reader, which you even do poorly. Listen, no matter how hard you attempt to distract. This piece of Benin lie is also going down. We'll soon be expecting citation from a 1734 work where the Oba of Benin was praised as ikeji orisha by Benin chiefsI have no business with how you Binis praise your Oba — at least not at the moment. I was only exposing your lies and hypocrisy when you tried to distance yourself from your own Edo site claiming it was hacked by a Yoruba man. Lol! 1 Like 7 Shares |
Re: Oni Was A Chief Priest by TAO11(f): 9:52pm On Jan 02, 2021 |
gregyboy:No this is 2021. 2 Likes 1 Share
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Re: Oni Was A Chief Priest by gregyboy(m): 10:07pm On Jan 02, 2021 |
TAO11: You beging to grow ovaries to quote me these days directly..... Aint you aware you got bi-polar issue's |
Re: Oni Was A Chief Priest by TAO11(f): 10:11pm On Jan 02, 2021 |
gregyboy:Because you’re my rag. See below and explain what it means. 2 Likes 2 Shares
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Re: Oni Was A Chief Priest by Etinosa1234: 10:13pm On Jan 02, 2021 |
Tao at first said that the word eko was formally oko and it was given by the Ijebu... Note that the oko here means farm Now she is saying the word eko which means camp in Benin was introduced into the Benin language through Yoruba and Dutch .. If actually it was introduced, it would have been or sound similar to either(Yoruba or Dutch) language word for camp and this is not the case... Rather Eko is Benin word for camp Ibudo is Yoruba word for camp Legerplaats is Dutch word for camp This 3 words have completely different pronunciations... This debunks her claim that the word eko was a word borrowed from either Yoruba or Dutch... Also.. note that if actually the word oko which means farm in Yoruba was the originator of the word Eko, then eko would have actually meant farm in Benin language... Put differently, if oko means farm and it was borrowed by Benin to form eko, its only logical that the word would have had the same meaning with the Original word .. instead Eko - camp Oko(the supposed originator of the word eko) means farm To further explain this, let's look at some loanwords in English and how similar they sound to the original word Bibios from Greek and in English is called Bible Circul from Latin and in English , Circle This and many more are examples that contradicts the fakes that Tao intend spreading here Samuk valirex gregyboy Etrusen areafada2 Ever since she discovered my other moniker,she has been hallucinating since... I understand her case... I've had many patients do like that... Well I'm patiently waiting for the 1757 work that The oba was praised as ikeji orisha.. stop giving bs.. Abi u want make I call hellraiser77 to deal with u again Modified: One zombie just said that Eko is an Awori dialect... Disregard him Pls... He's a mental patient
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Re: Oni Was A Chief Priest by Olu317(m): 10:17pm On Jan 02, 2021 |
TAO11:Awesome 2 Likes |
Re: Oni Was A Chief Priest by gregyboy(m): 10:18pm On Jan 02, 2021 |
Etinosa1234: Yea, drop all your evidence and move, while quietly monitoring her response, not all her comment you reply to, if the evidence you dropped covers it, no need replying are obvious ignorant comments Remeber is the viewers who are the judge not you or her You have also debated these issue before and you flogged her well , its saddens me she is making you do it again to kill her Boredom and satisfy her sexual Festism , Everyone should learn how to debate in a simple and civil way, while still passing the information, unnecessary noise should be avoided if possible 1 Like |
Re: Oni Was A Chief Priest by TAO11(f): 10:21pm On Jan 02, 2021 |
Haha! The brotherly love and fake consolation is much needed. 3 Likes 2 Shares
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Re: Oni Was A Chief Priest by Christistruth00: 10:21pm On Jan 02, 2021 |
TAO11: According to Osifekunde's Slave Narrative Eko was what the Ijebu traders called Lagos while the Benin called Lagos Kuramo. Benin ruled Lagos and the Ijebu reconquered Lagos and drove out Benin that is why the Ijebu still have had a strong hold on Lagos Commercially till today. Isale Eko of Lagos Island is a remnant of the Conquered Benin and the Oba of Lagos (isale Eko) is even of Ijesha ancestry . Ikoyi part was Conquered by Oyo Pirates from Ikoyi in Osun State. Document Translation: "Eco(Èkó) is the name given to it by the yebous (Ijebu)... The Benin call it Korame" Futhermore, the text says ".. Korame etait unie a sa metropole par la langue de terre resserree entre la grande lagune et la mer; mais des longtemps les yebous se sont empares..." "Korame (Lagos) was formerly larger, included a metropolis between the Great lagoon and the sea but for a long time the yebous (Ijebu) seized this area" Futher the text says "dont l'extremite orientale a ete envahie par les pirates Ouyo; et Korame est restee isolee au bout de la grande lagune, continuant a recevoir du Benin" "the Eastern part of this area (Ikoyi) was invaded by pirates from Ouyo(Oyo) and what is left of Korame is the isolated end towards the great Lagoon (Isale Eko) this is all that is controlled by Benin https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osifekunde 4 Likes 2 Shares
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Re: Oni Was A Chief Priest by TAO11(f): 10:23pm On Jan 02, 2021 |
Olu317:Thank you brother. 2 Likes 5 Shares |
Re: Oni Was A Chief Priest by TAO11(f): 10:26pm On Jan 02, 2021 |
Christistruth00:Thank you! I was going to use that 1845 material amongst others in my argument which I will still put forward nonetheless. However, can you provide your evidence of where Benin ruled Lagos? As well as your evidence for where Ijebu conquered Lagos? Thanks! Cc: LegendHero, macof, RuggedSniper, DenreleDave, Saintbehot, reallest, gomojam, Balogunodua, babtoundey, Ideadoctor, ABULARdotCom, TheLionofLasigi, Olu317, Amujale, OgboAto, macof, Christistruth00 7 Likes 4 Shares |
Re: Oni Was A Chief Priest by Etinosa1234: 10:28pm On Jan 02, 2021 |
Even Lagos account doesn't have an account of when they paid tributes to ijebu .. its allowed Sha... Hallucination is legal in this part of the world
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Re: Oni Was A Chief Priest by gregyboy(m): 10:28pm On Jan 02, 2021 |
TAO11: Yea, i did the part i called you insane and a psycho indeed you truly are
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Re: Oni Was A Chief Priest by TAO11(f): 10:29pm On Jan 02, 2021 |
Etinosa1234:Thank you oo! |
Re: Oni Was A Chief Priest by TAO11(f): 10:37pm On Jan 02, 2021 |
Christistruth00:First of all, the “Ouyo” mentioned in the text is not Oyo. It is Ijaw. I have the material too, and it is made clear from other parts of the material that Ijaw is being referred to as Ouyo. The rendition used for OYo in the same material is Eyo. Moreover, the word you translated as invaded is actually infiltrated — with no connotation of military occupation whatsoever. Finally, the text doesn’t talk of Benin having any control over any part of Lagos island occupied by indigenous people. The only are the Binis were restricted to is the part of Lagos island allocated to them. It is from here they controlled themselves and report back to their King. 5 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Oni Was A Chief Priest by Etinosa1234: 10:37pm On Jan 02, 2021 |
TAO11: We are not friends... Dont mention me
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Re: Oni Was A Chief Priest by Christistruth00: 10:38pm On Jan 02, 2021 |
TAO11: to tell you the truth the only evidence is Osifekunde's narrative the Awori and other Yoruba including Ooni insist and the evidence on ground supports this, that Oba of Lagos is a Merchant King eg the Babaloja of the Lagos Slave and European Market. That is why the Yorubas continued insisting that the Eleko of Eko was a Baale Position. his territory covers about less than 10 Streets on Lagos Island. Historically he Controlled Trade and not Territory 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Oni Was A Chief Priest by TAO11(f): 10:39pm On Jan 02, 2021 |
Etinosa1234:Yes we are not. Your point which you made supports mine even without you realizing — that is what I pointed to you. 3 Likes 2 Shares
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Re: Oni Was A Chief Priest by TAO11(f): 10:41pm On Jan 02, 2021 |
Christistruth00:Osifekunde narrative doesn’t say that either. That’s the point I am making. I have the material too. Lol. You simply read words into the original. That’s what scholars call interpretation and not translation. That is why the Yorubas continued insisting that the Eleko of Eko was a Baale Position.Whatever his territory, he is a KING. The unchanging fact however is that it is a non-Benin dynasty. And the text which I also have doesn’t say Benin had control over Lagos island or Lagos. Neither does it say Ijebu have control over Lagos island. 1 Like 6 Shares |
Re: Oni Was A Chief Priest by Etinosa1234: 10:41pm On Jan 02, 2021 |
Korame doesn't mean anything in Benin... Where una dey get all this useless quotations
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Re: Oni Was A Chief Priest by Christistruth00: 10:43pm On Jan 02, 2021 |
TAO11: OK |
Re: Oni Was A Chief Priest by davidnazee: 10:43pm On Jan 02, 2021 |
TAO11: You are still battling your inner demons lol... no worry, the Edo stain/stigma on Lagos and Yoruba can't be erased lol.. |
Re: Oni Was A Chief Priest by Christistruth00: 10:45pm On Jan 02, 2021 |
Etinosa1234: The Portugese first called Lagos Kuramo and the Benin were their biggest trade Partners so it didn't take long to catch on. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Oni Was A Chief Priest by Etinosa1234: 10:45pm On Jan 02, 2021 |
TAO11: Well the difference is that there is evidence of Benin collecting tributes, having overall influence over the political class and the burial of Lagos kings in Benin of which Ijebu does not have... Its just that that Lagos account is trying to save face by claiming that they were not invaded but were brainwashed by the Benin into handing over their power to strangers Pathetic |
Re: Oni Was A Chief Priest by Etinosa1234: 10:51pm On Jan 02, 2021 |
Christistruth00: I've never heard that... All I know is that it was called Lagos by the Portuguese meaning lakes.. And still, till now, there is no use of the word kuramo or korame in the Benin lexicon There are Portuguese words in Benin language as a result of interaction as u noted Like the word spoon .. In Benin it means ekuye but in Portuguese it means colher... Sound similar but it's just one of the numerous Portuguese words in Benin land of which kuramo is not amon If i may ask, what does kuramo or korame mean in Portuguese |
Re: Oni Was A Chief Priest by TAO11(f): 10:56pm On Jan 02, 2021 |
Christistruth00:First of all, the “Ouyo” mentioned in the text is not Oyo. It is Ijaw. I have the material too, and it is made clear from other parts of the material that Ijaw is being referred to as Ouyo. The rendition used for OYo in the same material is Eyo. Secondly, the word you translated as invaded is actually infiltrated — with no connotation of military occupation whatsoever. Finally, the text doesn’t talk of Benin having any control over any part of Lagos island occupied by indigenous people. The only area the Binis were restricted to is the part of Lagos island allocated to them. It is from here they controlled themselves and report back to their King. Be wary of unconsciously superimposing a general narrative upon a text. Translation is not one and the same thing as interpretation. 6 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Oni Was A Chief Priest by Christistruth00: 11:11pm On Jan 02, 2021 |
TAO11: But the Onikoyi of Ikoyi whose family Occupy the Eastern Part of Lagos Island is of ethnic Oyo Origin from Ikoyi in Osun State. |
Re: Oni Was A Chief Priest by TAO11(f): 11:16pm On Jan 02, 2021 |
Etinosa1234:Yes, the Lagos account clearly says that — noting that Ashipa was bound to the Benin king by ties of gratitude. No where does it say that Ashipa was bound to the Oba of Benin by ties of blood, neither does it say anywhere that he was bound to him by ties of conquest. The payments were thus for gratitude to the Oba of Benin for backing him to establish independence from Iddo particularly. The tribute was never for a non-existent conquest, neither was it due to a non-existent blood connection with Ashipa. having overall influence over the political classOverall influence? Where? This must the 2021 update to the Egharevba hallucinations. and the burial of Lagos kings in BeninYes, the evidence for this claim of burial comes from Robert Smith. But guess what, he clarified that the body is taken to Benin after the head has been removed. What does this confirm? It confirms the traditional Lagos claim that Ado’s father is Yoruba, while his mother is Benin. In other words, the late King’s head is for the father’s land; while the body is for the mother’s land. This resonates at once with the practice between IFE and Benin kings: The father’s land (IFE) takes the head, while the mother’s land (Benin) takes the body. The Yoruba insists — “Ori ade kii sun ita”. Meaning: “The crowned head is not to be entombed in a foreign land”. This again proves the fact that the Lagos dynasty is a patrilineal Yoruba dynasty. of which Ijebu does not have...Thanks for proving my point. I never said the Ijebu have such particular ties to Lagos. The influence of the Ijebus in the Lagos monarchy is almost entirely religious. The religious influence include and perhaps not limited to: Oshugbo” (the Ijebu name for the “Ogboni” group), the “Eyo” masquerade play which must be performed for an incoming Eleko. NB: Ijebu is not necessarily equivalent to Ijebu-Ode. Its just that that Lagos account is trying to save face by claiming that they were not invadedThere is no evidence for this since the Lagos account was the earliest account with no earlier account (from the EUrOpEaNs or Benin) contradicting it. but were brainwashed by the Benin into handing over their power to strangersBrainwashed?? No, I’d say rather say Ashipa simply used the Oba of Benin (to gain independence from Iddo) and then his descendants dumped your Oba afterwards (by giving him no further dime). So, it was a case of use and dump — if you must be petty. Cc: LegendHero, macof, RuggedSniper, DenreleDave, Saintbehot, reallest, gomojam, Balogunodua, babtoundey, Ideadoctor, ABULARdotCom, TheLionofLasigi, Olu317, Amujale, OgboAto, macof, Christistruth00 8 Likes 5 Shares
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Re: Oni Was A Chief Priest by TAO11(f): 12:01am On Jan 03, 2021 |
davidnazee:Edo is supposed to be a stain and stigma wherever it goes to?? Very revealing. Please tell me more. 1 Like 2 Shares
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Re: Oni Was A Chief Priest by Etinosa1234: 12:07am On Jan 03, 2021 |
Need to go sleep... The First pic below Lagos paid tributes to Benin for 200+ years after the death of ashipa till the ouster of Oba Kosoko Source: The Lagos consulate, Robert Smith... In his references to that particular post, he said.. The payment made or resumed was alluded to in a letter CO147/15 from Glover to Kennedy of 17 February 1869 which states that for the beach East of Lagos "with the territory of Lagos, King kosoko paid tributes to the king of Benin until his return to Lagos in 1862 when he ceded his rights to the British Crown and the ambassador of Benin who up till this date had always resided with the king of Lagos returned to Benin called upon me to take their leave informing me that they had been recalled and that no ambassador would in future be accredited to Lagos" On 4 March 1879, CO147/37, Governor Moloney reported to the colonial secretary another visit to Lagos by messengers from the oba of Benin who arrived in February and interviewed King Dosunmu and his chiefs as well as himself Now also, evidence that Benin had influence over the political class is noted in this letter from Akitoye to the British Also after Akitoye, Beecroft recognised the authority of the Benin in Lagos when he wrote a letter to the king of Benin that kosoko had declared war on English by opening Fire on them... I'm chanced, I'm Going to dig deeper into ur lagos lies ... From the references it can be shown that there are letters written that debunks ur lie that it was not paid or rather irregularly paid after 1830... I'll be getting those letters or closer references to those letters soon ....Till then enjoy ur little lies
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Re: Oni Was A Chief Priest by Obalufon: 12:35am On Jan 03, 2021 |
Etinosa1234:Eko is awori dialect stupid 1 Like |
Re: Oni Was A Chief Priest by TAO11(f): 1:25am On Jan 03, 2021 |
Etinosa1234:Sleep?? Are you sure you haven’t murdered sleep? The First pic belowLagos paid tributes to Benin for 200+ years after the death of ashipa till the ouster of Oba KosokoThank you for providing your best evidence which still confirms the very points I made, namely that: (1) The Yoruba dynasty of Eko simply used your Oba [for its need to assert independence] and then eventually dumped Benin’s ass. The agreed ”thank you hand outs” to Benin was unilaterally eventually discontinued despite the continued existence of the Eleko dynasty which your Oba backed Ashipa on when Ashipa needed him. Yes, it was a clear case of use and dump! (2) Your screenshots evidence also shows that your insinuation of a conquest-based payment, or a paternal-based payment can only be found in your hallucinations rather than in those screenshots you attached. Now also, evidence that Benin had influence over the political class is noted in this letter from Akitoye to the BritishFirst of all, I must point out your u-turn from your initial phrase of (”overall influence”) and now to your fresh phrase of simply (“influence”). There is a huge gap. You probably noticed that you were losing out fast and badly. But one may wonder what actually the Benin influence in Lagos island is?? The Lagos account (which remains unchallenged by any earlier source) states what this influence is. The Lagos account notes that Ashipa (the Yoruba man who is the progenitor of the Eko dynasty) was bound to the Benin monarchy “by ties of gratitude”. In other words, as a result of the success of backing Ashipa in asserting a monarchy (independent of Iddo), the Benin government earned Ashipa‘s (and his successors’) unwavering loyalty. Benin kings thus became the patron of the successive Elekos — earning remittances as well as the honor of officially recognizing successive Elekos. This is the influence — a patron-protege relationship — and it clearly has nothing to do with a non-existent conquest nor a non-existent blood connection to Ashipa. Also after Akitoye, Beecroft recognised the authority of the Benin in Lagos when he wrote a letter to the king of Benin that kosoko had declared war on English by opening Fire on them.Again, if there is any such letter, it still doesn’t prove your pleading. Your pleading which you should be defending is that the (defunct) loyalty to the Benin government was due to (i) some conquest or (ii) some blood connection to Ashipa. So, far you have provided zero evidence to substantiate any of these positions. The most that your letters have shown (and which your subsequent letters will show) is the presence of some loyalty to the Benin government by the Lagos island dynasty. Nothing is said (and will be said) about the basis or root of the loyalty in all your LeTtErS — provided they are not from Egharevba though. Hahaha! However, the earliest available primary evidence on this specific subject states clearly what the actual basis or root of the (defunct) loyalty to the Benin government was. It states that the Lagos monarchy [the protege] was bound to the Benin monarchy [the patron] “by ties of gratitude”. I'm chanced, I'm Going to dig deeper into ur lagos lies ...Wonderful! This is great news! From the references it can be shown that there are letters written that debunks ur lie that it was not paid or rather irregularly paid after 1830The bolded here is another evidence of your chronic hallucination. Or could it be that you’re simply generalizing that every human being must be a dullard based on your experience with Binis?? LMAO! I made it clear that your Benin monarchy did receive payments (for its backing), but then stopped receiving nothing eventually while the Lagos dynasty still continues to exist. My specific words are highlighted here showing how I stated clearly that Benin received “no further dime”. You are clearly desperate to win any argument. But you still loose all. I'll be getting those letters or closer references to those letters soonPlease do, I’d be needing them for a thread I’m preparing. Get to work! ....Till then enjoy ur little liesYou need this self-consolation and self-solve so badly. Don’t you?? —————————— IN SUMMATION: (1) Your first attachment shows three highlights, as follows: (A) The first highlight containing a statement along the lines that the Lagos dynasty came from an outside influence. This statement written from your 1975 attachment may actually be interpreted along two equally plausible lines: (i) That Benin was simply instrumental in the founding of the Yoruba dynasty of Eko. [This interpretation would be in line with the extant Lagos account]. (ii) Or that the first Eleko, Ashipa, is a Benin prince. [This interpretation would be in line with Egharevba’s later-day claims]. Regardless of what is actually meant here, it must be borne in mind that the earliest source for the 2nd interpretation is Chief Egharevba in the 1950s. In contrast, the earliest primary source for the 1st is the British colonial records of Lagos history collected and first published in the 1800s. (B) The second highlight showing statements along the following lines: (i) A statement to the effect that the body of late Elekos used to be taken to Benin for burial after the head has been removed. As noted in my foregoing comment above, the clause about the head clarifies the maternal connection of Ado (the first authoritative/official Eleko) to Benin. The body being taken to the mother’s land (i.e. Benin), after the head has been removed for the father’s land (Lagos). This custom at once resonates with a similar custom between Benin and IFE where the body of late Benin kings is for the mother’s land (Benin), while the head is for the father’s land (IFE ). This appears to corroborate the Yoruba saying that “Ori ade kii sun ita” — “The crowned head is not entombed abroad”. (ii) The other clarification-worthy statements under this second highlight is on tribute and official recognition. This has been abundantly clarified above within this same comment where I stated (and I quote here again) that: “The Lagos account [which you have nothing earlier than and contrary to] notes that Ashipa (the Yoruba man who is the progenitor of the Eko dynasty) was bound to the Benin monarchy “by ties of gratitude”. In other words, as a result of the success of backing Ashipa in asserting a monarchy (independent of Iddo), the Benin government earned Ashipa‘s (and his successors’) unwavering loyalty. Benin kings thus became the patron of the successive Elekos — earning remittances as well as the honor of officially recognizing successive Elekos.” (C) The third highlight showing a statement along the lines of a conquest of Lagos by Benin: First of all, it must be made clear that the header of your first attachment here is simply the title of the book (“The Lagos Consulate 1851 — 1861”). The book itself is a 1979 work. The dates (1851 — 1861) here should therefore not be erroneously assumed to mean that we are looking at a document from 1851 — 1861. No. I suspect that this is your cunning intention here. Secondly, the primary source which this statement (about conquest) goes to can not possibly be earlier than the later-day Benin claims of Chief Egharevba. As I have demonstrated again and again, the earliest primary source which says a thing about how the Binis came to settle-in into Lagos states that: They Binis settled-in into Lagos peacefully after their requested permission to land had been granted by the natives. (2) Your second attachment is a primary evidence — a letter of Oba Akitoye from circa 1850. But this letter simply shows one thing and one thing only — that there exist a strong loyalty to the Benin government by the Lagos dynasty. The specific form of the loyalty noted in this letter is about the Benin kings’ (now defunct) privilege and honor of officially recognizing a chosen Eleko. No where does this letter say that Lagos was colonized by Benin kingdom. No where does this letter say that Ashipa (the progenitor of the Eko dynasty) is a Benin. No where does this letter say a thing about the nature, root, or basis of the loyalty to Benin. The only source which touches on these specific points are the records of the British colonial authorities from I878, 1914, and 1929 — and they consistently state that: Ashipa the progenitor of the Eko dynasty is a Yoruba man; and the loyalty to Benin was on the basis of gratitude having been backed by a Benin king in the course of his desire to assert an independence monarchy from that of Iddo. Cheers. 8 Likes 5 Shares |
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