kokanepyramid:
Spy360 your sins are forgiven

Yes since you could not throw the first stone.

Arteta people have entered make I go play game because sleeping

Dem just need to shave Willian hair..

To watch Willock can give pesin depression

Roland17:
To watch Willock can give pesin depression

Seeing him play pisses me off

Willock and Willian are both clowns.

Bants aside but Willian looks like a clown � with that his hair.

Maybe that's what's affecting his game.

sod09:

He's not scoring or assisting same with dominic

there's hope for DCL over that bamford.
I never know how Leeds are managing him as their top 9 sef

Wait??.... So if Chelsea lose against man city, na only 3 points dem go take dey top us??

All those times wey we dey lose back to back, wetin dem dey do??

I mean we lost fvcking 8 matches

Jodera:
Wait??.... So if Chelsea lose against man city, na only 3 points dem go take dey top us??

All those times wey we dey lose back to back, wetin dem dey do??

I mean we lost fvcking 8 matches

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This is the arsenal most of us have been yearning for

mostob:
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omo... E shock you?
If e no shock you, e shock me oo

Jodera:
This is the arsenal most of us have been yearning for

Kokaneprodigy come and see o. Arsenal is back.

sod09:

No that was the truth, I was just tired of raising the issue again
Gabriel hasn't played the last 2 matches and it's fine.
Still not saying he's not good for us

But all the attacking flair you people are using now was there from last season. Saka, Martinelli, ESR were not bought this season.

The point I made was you had enough talent in your team to play good football and score goals however Arteta short-circuited the season by playing defensive formations and persisting with Wilian, Pepe e.t.c and ridiculous choices like Tierney at LCB.

afrodoc2:


But all the attacking flair you people are using now was there from last season. Saka, Martinelli, ESR were not bought this season.

The point I made was you had enough talent in your team to play good football and score goals however Arteta short-circuited the season by playing defensive formations and persisting with Wilian, Pepe e.t.c and ridiculous choices like Tierney at LCB.

The issue was buying more defenders when he could have gotten better midfielder. Do you believe good midfield will ease defence affairs and also improve attack?
Some of us like me think buying Gabriel was not necessary considering the number of defender we have instead of going for attacking midfielder.
I'm not saying Gabriel is not good but was that the main priority?
A case study is presently, he isn't playing and we winning with CS everyone know arsenal defenders are clowns but if we have better midfielders to ease the pressure on them they will make less mistake.
As it stand now even if we have VVD and koulibally in defence we will still concede stupid goals because my problem lies in that midfield of xhaka especially and his partner.
When last did you see arsenal dominate midfield against big team?

sod09:

The issue was buying more defenders when he could have gotten better midfielder. Do you believe good midfield will ease defence affairs and also improve attack?
Some of us like me think buying Gabriel was not necessary considering the number of defender we have instead of going for attacking midfielder.
I'm not saying Gabriel is not good but was that the main priority?
A case study is presently, he isn't playing and we winning with CS everyone know arsenal defenders are clowns but if we have better midfielders to ease the pressure on them they will make less mistake.
As it stand now even if we have VVD and koulibally in defence we will still concede stupid goals because my problem lies in that midfield of xhaka especially and his partner.
When last did you see arsenal dominate midfield against big team?

Man u

Jodera:
Man u

Did xhaka play

sod09:

The issue was buying more defenders when he could have gotten better midfielder. Do you believe good midfield will ease defence affairs and also improve attack?
Some of us like me think buying Gabriel was not necessary considering the number of defender we have instead of going for attacking midfielder.
I'm not saying Gabriel is not good but was that the main priority?
A case study is presently, he isn't playing and we winning with CS everyone know arsenal defenders are clowns but if we have better midfielders to ease the pressure on them they will make less mistake.
As it stand now even if we have VVD and koulibally in defence we will still concede stupid goals because my problem lies in that midfield of xhaka especially and his partner.
When last did you see arsenal dominate midfield against big team?

You are just trying to promote an agenda that is not going to agendate with this talk of midfield vs defence.

1. At the time we got Gabriel we had an injured Chambers, a misfit called Mustafi, an injured Pablo Mari and a senior clown called David Luiz. All these are CB's with whom we did bad defensively last season. The coach making a call for a solid CB that will strengthen our defensive position is not out of place in anyway.

2. What Afrodoc is saying is quite visible for us all to see. Arsenal was losing earlier in the year not because Arteta chose to strengthen defense ahead of midfield, rather it's because Arteta was playing the wrong set of players and wrong formation/ wrong tactics. To confirm this ask urself if Arsenal signed another midfielder within the space of the last 3 weeks before we got back to winning ways ; the answer is what u should focus on.

3. That Arsenal is winning while Gabriel is out has nothing to do with Gabriel being an unnecessary buy when he was bought. Gabriel did not cause an own-goal, he's not always drawn out of position like Mustafi always does etc. The match he got the red card we saw how he was over burdened with so much defensive duties that he was almost everywhere trying to stop the oppositions attacking moves.


I don’t appreciate the fact that Pablo Mari is playing well in Gabriel’s absence and we are trying to use that push anti-Gabriel’s buy agenda. O wrong now

afrodoc2:


But all the attacking flair you people are using now was there from last season. Saka, Martinelli, ESR were not bought this season.

The point I made was you had enough talent in your team to play good football and score goals however Arteta short-circuited the season by playing defensive formations and persisting with Wilian, Pepe e.t.c and ridiculous choices like Tierney at LCB.

I'm sure you'll know ESR because you're vast in football knowledge but it's not all non-arsenal fans that will know who ESR was before Chelsea game.

While I agree with you on your 2nd paragraph (which has been most of us points most times here this season), our point mostly was that we needed good midfield and attack. Most people here wanted dem saka, Martinelli and ESR to understudy veterans and grow at a healthy pace so that undue pressure won't be on their head. That was why some of us were saying we needed good midfield and attack.

I remember listing out our defenders here for you last season saying those guys with a good squad (all/most wen fit) are not bad for top4 teams. Tho it's still early days but we can see how holding and Mari are holding their own in that defence. And we still have chambers and Luiz out who can also add some solidity. Now, we can see how the defence are keeping clean sheets and less pressured cos midfield and attack have improved considerably.
That has been our point all these while.

Perhaps if Gabriel hadn't started this season but Mari started, we might have even conceded more goals than what we've conceded till date, and even lost more games than the draw we drew. Then the issue will be how we didn't have defence and how mari and holding are average, not knowing it's because of the constant pressure the defence were receiving.

sod09:

Did xhaka play

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Oya, what of Chelsea?

Jodera:
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Oya, what of Chelsea?

Bring up the stat na let's see

BlueRayDick:


You are just trying to promote an agenda that is not going to agendate with this talk of midfield vs defence.

1. At the time we got Gabriel we had an injured Chambers, a misfit called Mustafi, an injured Pablo Mari and a senior clown called David Luiz. All these are CB's with whom we did bad defensively last season. The coach making a call for a solid CB that will strengthen our defensive position is not out of place in anyway.

2. What Afrodoc is saying is quite visible for us all to see. Arsenal was losing earlier in the year not because Arteta chose to strengthen defense ahead of midfield, rather it's because Arteta was playing the wrong set of players and wrong formation/ wrong tactics. To confirm this ask urself if Arsenal signed another midfielder within the space of the last 3 weeks before we got back to winning ways ; the answer is what u should focus on.

3. That Arsenal is winning while Gabriel is out has nothing to do with Gabriel being an unnecessary buy when he was bought. Gabriel did not cause an own-goal, he's not always drawn out of position like Mustafi always does etc. The match he got the red card we saw how he was over burdened with so much defensive duties that he was almost everywhere trying to stop the oppositions attacking moves.


I don’t appreciate the fact that Pablo Mari is playing well in Gabriel’s absence and we are trying to use that push anti-Gabriel’s buy agenda. O wrong now

We are not pushing any agenda just stating the obvious, until the midfield is sorted out even VVD and koulibally can't save arsenal defence.
There was a season mertersacker and Kos helped sczeny win golden glove, not because they were the best pair in the league but because the midfield was so good.
Mustafi have been out of the way but we still concede and drink goals, it's obvious defence wasn't the problem. What's the point of having over 8Cbs and only 2 will start

sod09:

Bring up the stat na let's see

even stats against man u was in favor of man u sef.

Jodera:
even stats against man u was in favor of man u sef.

That's toward the end man u played
Against Chelsea first and second half they dominated we were more direct than them

Lana1:
Kokaneprodigy come and see o. Arsenal is back.

Finally reborn

kokanepyramid:

Finally reborn

Thunder fire you for bringing this argument back here again

Jodera:
I'm sure you'll know ESR because you're vast in football knowledge but it's not all non-arsenal fans that will know who ESR was before Chelsea game.

While I agree with you on your 2nd paragraph (which has been most of us points most times here this season), our point mostly was that we needed good midfield and attack. Most people here wanted dem saka, Martinelli and ESR to understudy veterans and grow at a healthy pace so that undue pressure won't be on their head. That was why some of us were saying we needed good midfield and attack.

I remember listing out our defenders here for you last season saying those guys with a good squad (all/most wen fit) are not bad for top4 teams. Tho it's still early days but we can see how holding and Mari are holding their own in that defence. And we still have chambers and Luiz out who can also add some solidity. Now, we can see how the defence are keeping clean sheets and less pressured cos midfield and attack have improved considerably.
That has been our point all these while.

Perhaps if Gabriel hadn't started this season but Mari started, we might have even conceded more goals than what we've conceded till date, and even lost more games than the draw we drew. Then the issue will be how we didn't have defence and how mari and holding are average, not knowing it's because of the constant pressure the defence were receiving.

If we had Mustafi and Luis during the losing streak, they would have easily scapegoated them and not think it was due to the pressure.

You just spoke my mind right there.

sod09:

The issue was buying more defenders when he could have gotten better midfielder. Do you believe good midfield will ease defence affairs and also improve attack?
Some of us like me think buying Gabriel was not necessary considering the number of defender we have instead of going for attacking midfielder.
I'm not saying Gabriel is not good but was that the main priority?
A case study is presently, he isn't playing and we winning with CS everyone know arsenal defenders are clowns but if we have better midfielders to ease the pressure on them they will make less mistake.
As it stand now even if we have VVD and koulibally in defence we will still concede stupid goals because my problem lies in that midfield of xhaka especially and his partner.
When last did you see arsenal dominate midfield against big team?

Why are you people making it seem like he bought 5 defenders. He bought only Gabriel and recalled Saliba. He also bought Partey for the midfield and only injuries have stopped you guys from seeing that that was an equally significant signing.

Partey and any of your CMs with ESR/Ozil with Saka, Martinelli, Auba in front and Nelson, Pepe, Laca as subs is a good line up. Bellerin and Tierney as overlapping FBs.

A midfield of Partey, Torreira, Elneny, Ceballos, Ozil, Guendouzi, ESR is good enough but your manager and board made bad decision after bad decision and you started relying on Xhaka and Willock.

An attack of Auba, Martinelli, Saka, Laca, Pepe, and a new player not called Willian is good enough but your coach made wrong decisions.

You guys didn't buy these attacking players in December, they were always there but your manager was clueless about how to integrate them. That is the No1 reason for your struggles.

Imagine playing a flying LB with wicked left foot like Tierney as a LCB just so you can field as many defenders as possible. That alone is close to a sackable offence. I watched Tierney before you guys bought him and i felt he would be an attacking upgrade for us only for Adete to play him as LCB.

Imagine giving a fearless youngster like Saka measly minutes when he is obviously ready and better than Pepe and Willian combined. That Willian deal on its own should be a sackable offence for whoever approved it.

The major reason you guys struggled was not lack of attacking players BUT your manager playing defensive formation and relying on more experienced but off form attacking players.

afrodoc2:


But all the attacking flair you people are using now was there from last season. Saka, Martinelli, ESR were not bought this season.

The point I made was you had enough talent in your team to play good football and score goals however Arteta short-circuited the season by playing defensive formations and persisting with Wilian, Pepe e.t.c and ridiculous choices like Tierney at LCB.

No one expected ESR would be able to fill that shoe like this, even at that considering his age he might be unable to deliver this kind of performance week in week out. Cos I Won’t want him to burn out.

That said, I never said Gabu wasn’t a good addition but my point remains he wasn’t a necessity and wasn’t a priority in solving our problem considering paucity of funds.

When you want to solve a problem you start from the solutions that will have greater impact. Results has shown that Gabu’s addition didn’t have a significant impact in solving our pressing challenges.

If Luis and Mustaffi were the CBS during our losing streak I’m sure they would have been scapegoated and not shielded the way Gabu is being shielded even though I agree the goals weren’t totall his fault. This was my stand last season as well.

Fix midfield, fix attack the last piece is defence. That’s how clubs that dominate do it.
If defence wins you league Athletico Madrid should have the biggest laurels in modern football.

kokanepyramid:

If we had Mustafi and Luis during the losing streak, they would have easily scapegoated them and not think it was due to the pressure.

You just spoke my mind right there.

Especially mustafi that guy suffer

kokanepyramid:


No one expected ESR would be able to fill that shoe like this, even at that considering his age he might be unable to deliver this kind of performance week in week out. Cos I Won’t want him to burn out.

That said, I never said Gabu wasn’t a good addition but my point remains he wasn’t a necessity and wasn’t a priority in solving our problem considering paucity of funds.

When you want to solve a problem you start from the solutions that will have greater impact. Results has shown that Gabu’s addition didn’t have a significant impact in solving our pressing challenges.

If Luis and Mustaffi were the CBS during our losing streak I’m sure they would have beeem scapegoated and not shielded the way Gabu is being shielded even though I agree the goals weren’t totall his fault. This was my stand last season as well.

Fix midfield, fix attack the last piece is defence. That’s how clubs that dominate do it.
If defence wins you league Athletico Madrid should have the biggest laurels in modern football.

You have the 5th best defence in the league and you are saying Gabriel was not impactful. Replace him with Mustafi and all those 1-0 and 2-1 losses become 4-1 and 3-0.


When you want to correct a problem you need to do the right things first. You can't do the wrong things and expect good results. The right thing was to play your best players i.e Saka, Ozil, ESR, Martinelli NOT Willian, Pepe, Willock.

Arteta caused the problem by going defensive playing 5 at the back and playing attacking players known for their work rate and defensive discipline like Willock and Willian instead of flair players like Saka, Nelson, ESR.

Which attacking player did Arteta buy in December to effect this turnaround? Why are you now scoring multiple goals in your matches? Who are theses important acquisitions in attack that have made this attacking football possible?

afrodoc2:


Why are you people making it seem like he bought 5 defenders. He bought only Gabriel and recalled Saliba. He also bought Partey for the midfield and only injuries have stopped you guys from seeing that that was an equally significant signing.

Partey and any of your CMs with ESR/Ozil with Saka, Martinelli, Auba in front and Nelson, Pepe, Laca as subs is a good line up. Bellerin and Tierney as overlapping FBs.

A midfield of Partey, Torreira, Elneny, Ceballos, Ozil, Guendouzi, ESR is good enough but your manager and board made bad decision after bad decision and you started relying on Xhaka and Willock.

An attack of Auba, Martinelli, Saka, Laca, Pepe, and a new player not called Willian is good enough but your coach made wrong decisions.

You guys didn't buy these attacking players in December, they were always there but your manager was clueless about how to integrate them. That is the No1 reason for your struggles.

Imagine playing a flying LB with wicked left foot like Tierney as a LCB just so you can field as many defenders as possible. That alone is close to a sackable offence. I watched Tierney before you guys bought him and i felt he would be an attacking upgrade for us only for Adete to play him as LCB.

Imagine giving a fearless youngster like Saka measly minutes when he is obviously ready and better than Pepe and Willian combined. That Willian deal on its own should be a sackable offence for whoever approved it.

The major reason you guys struggled was not lack of attacking players BUT your manager playing defensive formation and relying on more experienced but off form attacking players.

Was Gabriel needed considering the number of central back we have available?
Almost like 7 CBs

sod09:

Especially mustafi that guy suffer

Mustafi is useless. A neutral fan would be able to give a fair and balanced assessment. Some of you guys are too close emotionally to give a fair judgement.

Mustafi has the awareness of a blind man on a major highway. Go back and watch him closely. He is really useless in terms of what is going on around him. Defends like he is looking through a pinhole camera.