pazienza:


Map was made at a time the whites who drew it had not made contact with Igboland and hinterland.
So they erroneously assumed the Binis had control of territories hinterland beyond Abudu hills.
The map quickly changed immediately they had access to hinterland and found out how limited Bini powers were.

1) In order for your comment to be valid, you would need to be an eye witness to the era which you are talking about or you would need a person of that era to be a time-traveler who travelled hundred of years in the future and then observed his generation which lived hundreds of years before made a mistake.

2) In other words your statement lacks logical validity.

3) the fact is you don't like the conclusion of the reasoning so you illogically try to shoot down the reasoning. That is irrational, men shouldn't be so emotional. Accept the facts and move on with your life.

nocomment9999:

I think you are not even trying to make sense. try and organize your ideas:

1) What is your thesis
2) Where is a proof of your thesis.

All I see in your write-up are random biased opinions not based on science of any kind .

Benin use Oba title... It means that Benin are yoruba

Hausa use Emir it means that Hausa are Arabs


LoL

ariesbull:


Benin use Oba title... It means that Benin are yoruba

Hausa use Emir it means that Hausa are Arabs


LoL

I have no idea what you are talking about.
Try and express ideas which actually make sense.
Also, for your information the title Oba belongs to the Oba of Benin, any other person bearing that title usurped it.
The title litterally means "King of Kings".
I can even give you the decade in which the yorubas started usurping/copying the Oba title.

nocomment9999:


1) In order for your comment to be valid, you would need to be an eye witness to the era which you are talking about or you would need a person of that era to be a time-traveler who travelled hundred of years in the future and then observed his generation which lived hundreds of years before made a mistake.

2) In other words your statement lacks logical validity.

3) the fact is you don't like the conclusion of the reasoning so you illogically try to shoot down the reasoning. That is irrational, men shouldn't be so emotional. Accept the facts and move on with your life.

Only you and yourself know what you are talking above.

See a colonial maps made when hinterland had been explored and groups therein well pinpointed.

pazienza:


Only you and yourself know what you are talking above.

See a colonial maps made when hinterland had been explored and groups therein well pinpointed.

1) source of maps
2) Groups ? I am talking about countries.

For example pointing out that china-town is inhabited by a chinese group has no relevance whatsoever, what matters is that it is part of the united states of america and under the rule of the president of the usa not the president of china.

Also it might be time to let go of your conspiracy theory of "the europeans had not travelled that far and they therefor didn't see the place". Your statement is a self serving statement not backed by proof. There are countless maps of the region and they show the region as being part of a country called Benin whose King is called Oba.

3) What is the meaning of "groups", what does ebou mean ?


https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b530530714.r=Benin?rk=214593;2
Between 1600 and 1699

https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b8595583b.r=Benin?rk=193134;0
between 1600 and 1699

https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b8595583b.r=Benin?rk=193134;0
1707

1883
https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b59701428.r=Benin?rk=21459;2

pazienza:


Igbanke people I know all go by Igbo names mixed with Edo ones. I belong to INPA Facebook page and WhatsApp group, so I should know better.

Issele uku was never a frontier and was never a Bini territory. They were at best an Igbo speaking people who served as vassals to Bini empire in the Anioma region in the past. They were never Bini people despite all the historical distortions they churn out today. That Britain ruled Nigeria doesn't make us British people.

Ozanogogo are the only real Edo people in Anioma, and they still speak edoid language till today.
Other stories of Anioma towns who are Igbo speaking being founded by fictional Bini princes are senseless fabrications.

The people in Issele Uku might be igboid but the monarchy isn't. Issele Uku was established long before the era of Oba Ewuare the great. Infact, Oba Equate seeked asylum in Issele Uku royal family before he came back to Benin. Issele Uku was the only frontier established by Benin to check the influx of people from across the Niger.

They're not saying a wrong history.
Issele Uku history is very old

1556
https://www.raremaps.com/gallery/detail/70331/parte-del-africa-ramusio-gastaldi

1606
https://www.raremaps.com/gallery/detail/35435bp/guineae-nova-descriptio-hondius

1620

https://www.raremaps.com/gallery/detail/51625/abissinorum-sive-pretiosi-joanis-imperiu-hondius

pazienza, the preciseness of this map puts your claim (of non exploration of the region by europeans) to big shame.

pazienza:
By the way, your map is ridiculous. Bini couldn't even get past Agbor and had to dig trenches all around your Eastern frontiers to protect yourselves from the Ikas.

So the romans had a wall round Rome because they were scared of the Macedonians or what. Cities build defenses around themselves. The only foreign force that successfully entered Benin itself was the British....

Go all over anioma land they will tell you tales of how their medicine men were always coming to Benin. You can't compare Benin to Agbor na....the original name for what you call Agbor is Agbon.

The influence of Benin is felt all around her. All around. You see it everywhere. The reason why some people in anioma will say they are not Igbo is because of the Benin factor.

Daum:



So the romans had a wall round Rome because they were scared of the Macedonians or what. Cities build defenses around themselves. The only foreign force that successfully entered Benin itself was the British....

Go all over anioma land they will tell you tales of how their medicine men were always coming to Benin. You can't compare Benin to Agbor na....the original name for what you call Agbor is Agbon.

The influence of Benin is felt all around her. All around. You see it everywhere. The reason why some people in anioma will say they are not Igbo is because of the Benin factor.

I have proven that most of the south of nigeria was a part of Benin empire.
No need to walk on egg shells and talk about "influence", they were all part of a country called Benin whose leader is called Oba. Simple.
Also, don't let yourself to be syupidly dragged into insulting your own people "Agbor". Show that you are not as dumb as the igbo guy would want you to be.

What is Benin:

A precolonial african country whose capital was called Benin city. Benin city is only a very small part of Benin.
Agbor is part of Benin !

gregyboy:


Wat secondary school

LOL. Do u know the secondary school?

Franchise21:
LOL. Do u know the secondary school?

Yea is it in benin

gregyboy:




Yea is it in benin

OK. So there's no need to call it out here na

Franchise21:
OK. So there's no need to call it out here na

.

Bro am just asking if its in benin, you didnt even reply


Were do u think you can call it out

gregyboy:
.

Bro am just asking if its in benin, you didnt even reply


Were do u think you can call it out

It's in Benin... GRA to be precise

Franchise21:
It's in Benin... GRA to be precise

Hmm Reuben agho

Daum:



So the romans had a wall round Rome because they were scared of the Macedonians or what. Cities build defenses around themselves. The only foreign force that successfully entered Benin itself was the British....

Go all over anioma land they will tell you tales of how their medicine men were always coming to Benin. You can't compare Benin to Agbor na....the original name for what you call Agbor is Agbon.

The influence of Benin is felt all around her. All around. You see it everywhere. The reason why some people in anioma will say they are not Igbo is because of the Benin factor.

Agbor is Agbor as it pronounced.
Bini was a mushroom kingdom until it had encounter with the Portuguese who gave them firearms with which they terrorized neighbouring groups until weapons proliferation happened and they lost their advantage and were pushed back.

People in Anioma say they are not Igbo because in the past, no one was Igbo. Igbo is what we called the next town who spoke same language as us. The Nigeria experiment made us all accept we are Igbo, but Biafra war occurred just before the unity was consolidated, which resulted in Igbo speaking groups outside East central state fragmenting away from the Igbo identity.

nocomment9999:
1620

https://www.raremaps.com/gallery/detail/51625/abissinorum-sive-pretiosi-joanis-imperiu-hondius

pazienza, the preciseness of this map puts your claim (of non exploration of the region by europeans) to big shame.

How is this map precise?
Can you show me Igboland on that map?

The first Igbo speaking place whites visited was Aboh, under Eze Obi Ossai reign. Before then , not much is known about Igbo hinterland.

The Binis probably told the Portuguese that they controlled the whole hinterland East of Bini which led to that ridiculous Portuguese map. But immediately the British got into the hinterland, the maps were modified to reflect reality.

Daum:



The people in Issele Uku might be igboid but the monarchy isn't. Issele Uku was established long before the era of Oba Ewuare the great. Infact, Oba Equate seeked asylum in Issele Uku royal family before he came back to Benin. Issele Uku was the only frontier established by Benin to check the influx of people from across the Niger.

They're not saying a wrong history.
Issele Uku history is very old

Does the name of Issele uku monarchy sound Bini to you?
Check which influx? You lots keep making up fantasies. No such influx was checkmated. Igbo speaking people already lived in both sides of River Niger before the first Bini man walked planet earth, that's why you still have those Igbo speaking towns in Edo state like Owariuzo, Igbanke, etc.
Bini was too busy digging trenches at Agbor border to protect themselves from Ika warriors. Who dash una passage to send frontiers in Issele uku?
Lol!

Issele uku monarchy claim to Bini ancestry is a fallacious one to make it appear grand before its Western Igbo brothers because of the Prestige Portuguese acquired firearms gave Bini those days.
There is no truth in it. Its akin to some Igbos claim to Israeli origin. None of those claims can stand the scrutiny of rational analysis.

gregyboy:



Hmm Reuben agho

LOL. Identify yourself

Franchise21:
LOL. Identify yourself

Lol, i finished from gtss 2012 i was in his junior brother set emeke, what set were you

pazienza:


Does the name of Issele uku monarchy sound Bini to you?
Check which influx? You lots keep making up fantasies. No such influx was checkmated. Igbo speaking people already lived in both sides of River Niger before the first Bini man walked planet earth, that's why you still have those Igbo speaking towns in Edo state like Owariuzo, Igbanke, etc.
Bini was too busy digging trenches at Agbor border to protect themselves from Ika warriors. Who dash una passage to send frontiers in Issele uku?
Lol!

Issele uku monarchy claim to Bini ancestry is a fallacious one to make it appear grand before its Western Igbo brothers because of the Prestige Portuguese acquired firearms gave Bini those days.
There is no truth in it. Its akin to some Igbos claim to Israeli origin. None of those claims can stand the scrutiny of rational analysis.

You just want a supremacy argument.
But if the books of history, none of your Igbo settlement can rival that of Benin.

No quote me again abeg

pazienza:


Does the name of Issele uku monarchy sound Bini to you?
Check which influx? You lots keep making up fantasies. No such influx was checkmated. Igbo speaking people already lived in both sides of River Niger before the first Bini man walked planet earth, that's why you still have those Igbo speaking towns in Edo state like Owariuzo, Igbanke, etc.
Bini was too busy digging trenches at Agbor border to protect themselves from Ika warriors. Who dash una passage to send frontiers in Issele uku?
Lol!

Issele uku monarchy claim to Bini ancestry is a fallacious one to make it appear grand before its Western Igbo brothers because of the Prestige Portuguese acquired firearms gave Bini those days.
There is no truth in it. Its akin to some Igbos claim to Israeli origin. None of those claims can stand the scrutiny of rational analysis.

Another igbo clowm
Etinosa1234
Davidnazee
AreaFada2
Sarah20A
Valirex
Ghostwon
Edeyoung
Edopesin


There is no igbo territory that escape we benin wrought, thanks so much, for trying to deniel our influence all over the igbo territory,
A king in imo state recently agreed to benin influence on her stool, obi of onitsha is also there, and so many more who are yet to accept benin influence on them from the east not to stare up mixed feelings

gregyboy:



Another igbo clowm
Etinosa1234
Davidnazee
AreaFada2
Sarah20A
Valirex
Ghostwon
Edeyoung
Edopesin

See battle cry.
Bring them all, I will slay them all. I'm one man Army. Strong and original undiluted Igbo blood

Daum:



You just want a supremacy argument.
But if the books of history, none of your Igbo settlement can rival that of Benin.

No quote me again abeg

What supremacy battle? How can Bini that dug trenches all around them to prevent Igboid speaking Ika from invading and dismantling them now come to Issele uku to build outpost to stop Ndiigbo from moving to and from the East and West of the Niger, when ancient Igbo speaking towns exist eight in Edo state. Does it make sense to you?

Ancient Igbo speaking people had always occupied Western and Eastern sides of River Niger before the first Bini man walked the Earth.

gregyboy:



Lol, i finished from gtss 2012 i was in his junior brother set emeke, what set were you

I and his elder brother. Same set

gregyboy:



Another igbo clowm
Etinosa1234
Davidnazee
AreaFada2
Sarah20A
Valirex
Ghostwon
Edeyoung
Edopesin

You forgot to write the name of the real inferior one amongst you guys; Samuk ..... lol

pazienza:


How is this map precise?
Can you show me Igboland on that map?

The first Igbo speaking place whites visited was Aboh, under Eze Obi Ossai reign. Before then , not much is known about Igbo hinterland.

The Binis probably told the Portuguese that they controlled the whole hinterland East of Bini which led to that ridiculous Portuguese map. But immediately the British got into the hinterland, the maps were modified to reflect reality.

Stop with your conspiracy theories. Obviously you don't like the fact Benin is recorded as owning the region (the region was part of Benin!) That doesn't give you the right to just make up your own stories and present them as facts.
There is no précolonial country called "igboland" !
As I keep telling you, time changes things, the word Igbo wasn't born the same day God created the earth ! So don't expect that the "Igbo people " have always existed !
Today's reality is different from yesterday's !
And for your information theses maps (I presented several of them, not just one !) were made by people of different nationalities spreading over several centuries.

To make things short: there is no precolonial country called igboland. The term "igboland" was born at a certain date in time (notice it is an anglicised expression copying England: language-land" ). Don't expect to see reference to it before it's birth. The expression "Igboland" was most likely invented by the British.

Stop stupidly attacking eye-witness accounts (extremely precise maps for that matter) only to offer your biased opinions and made up stories.

For your information: old documents are more valid to the study of history then recent documents. You seem to defend the thesis that the most recent précolonial maps are true and older ones are fake. But that is just stupidity from you. A map is just like a picture, it is just like saying your most recent pictures are true and pictures of you as a baby are false.

Also, I presented a map from 1883 which still shows Benin to be what previous maps of the region showed. 1883 is after 1839 in case you are not aware. So before invasions by the british, Benin was still a great empire.

Borders change overtime. For example you can take a look at maps of the Roman empire and see how its borders kept changing over time. Don't expect to see a country named France in the era of the Roman empire, France wasn't born yet.

pazienza you need better understanding of the concept of time. It seems you don't understand even the very fondamental fact that your parents were not born old !
Or the fact that your parents have not always existed. Time changes things. So please try and grow up intellectually

Also, one of the reasons given by the British for their invasion of Benin empire was that the Oba of Benin was the supreme authority in the region and without the Oba of Benin's blessing, it was impossible for the British to do any trade in the region. So when the Oba of Benin denied the British that blessing, they attacked.