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Re: Is Jesus Same Person As The Father? by MaxInDHouse(m): 4:01pm On Jan 07, 2021 |
livingchrist:You quote scriptures out of context, Paul referred to Jesus as a man because nobody can make a spirit his/her role model, so that's the PRACTICAL APPLICATION of the text you quoted but in the context of seeing God face to face, Jesus can't as a man that's the purpose of prayer {Luke 3:21, 22:44} of course you don't pray when you can speak face to face. God said there has never risen another Prophet like Moses not because he saw God face to face {John 1:18} but most times Moses speak with God directly not through prayer! Deuteronomy 34:10 was the issue about seeing God's face or potency of their sacrifice?YES! That's why they offer it annually unlike the sacrifice offered by a spirit once for all time! Hebrew 9:12 YES! a spirit has being a Highpriest before, this spirit materialised to meet Abraham, he is called Melchizedek! Genesis 14:18 compared to Hebrew 7:1-3 Does Adam not mean human? If Jesus is the second Adam, then he must be human.The last ADAM BECAME A LIFE GIVING SPIRIT! 1Corinthians 15:45 And again, how can Jesus be Spirit when he was resurrected in human body?He materialised to help Thomas a faithful but unbelieving disciple know that he's now alive, because that's what is needed to help his friend and there was no time teaching him all over again! John 16:12 |
Re: Is Jesus Same Person As The Father? by Barristter07: 6:08pm On Jan 07, 2021 |
livingchrist: The bold will help make things easier, according to scripture those to bear Jesus image will see God's face, Can an human see God's face as live ? 1 Like |
Re: Is Jesus Same Person As The Father? by Barristter07: 6:10pm On Jan 07, 2021 |
Emusan: Peter see animals coming down from heaven in vision too. I guess the animals are real. When humans see God's face in reality , tell me. 1 Like |
Re: Is Jesus Same Person As The Father? by Barristter07: 6:12pm On Jan 07, 2021 |
Emusan: Because they are not humans but Spirit. Humans survive on blood, they can't live in heaven.
" No MAN " says God ... 1 Like |
Re: Is Jesus Same Person As The Father? by livingchrist: 8:57pm On Jan 07, 2021 |
DappaD:everyone knows what verse 7 mean, In the days of his flesh means when he was on earth. Can you show with scriptural references where spirits had being high priest? |
Re: Is Jesus Same Person As The Father? by DappaD: 9:04pm On Jan 07, 2021 |
livingchrist: The beginning part of Hebrews 5:7 in Greek literally means “in the days of his flesh” which means that Jesus ceased existing in flesh after his death and resurrection. 1Peter 3:18 |
Re: Is Jesus Same Person As The Father? by MaxInDHouse(m): 9:04pm On Jan 07, 2021 |
Please Melchizedek was from which country, his parents and time of birth? Genesis 14:18; Hebrew 7:1-3 Well let me assist you, he was just like those Abraham entertained under the big trees of Mamre. Genesis 18:1-8 So the answer is simplified Sir! livingchrist: |
Re: Is Jesus Same Person As The Father? by livingchrist: 9:25pm On Jan 07, 2021 |
MaxInDHouse:1. Was it a Spirit that offered sacrifice? 2 . Give me scriptural references that says melchizedek was a spirit? 3. Why does Jesus have to materialize, what happened to Jesus body? |
Re: Is Jesus Same Person As The Father? by livingchrist: 9:36pm On Jan 07, 2021 |
Barristter07:you are the one on hot seat here, Are there going to be some who will not bear Jesus image? Whose image are those going to bear? And If they do not bear Christ image they cannot inherit God's kingdom, so where will they be? |
Re: Is Jesus Same Person As The Father? by livingchrist: 9:45pm On Jan 07, 2021 |
DappaD:No It does not mean Jesus has ceased to existing in the flesh but it means Jesus fleshly experience or Jesus earthly life. |
Re: Is Jesus Same Person As The Father? by livingchrist: 9:48pm On Jan 07, 2021 |
MaxInDHouse:do well to provided answers, give scriptural references as to your assumption that melchizedek must be a spirit. Remember every high priest is taken from among men So how then can melchizedek be a Spirit when he was taken from among men? Explain |
Re: Is Jesus Same Person As The Father? by DappaD: 10:23pm On Jan 07, 2021 |
livingchrist: How else can you twist such a clear scripture. Of course, the passage is referring to Jesus' earthly life but it was more specific that's why it mentioned “in the days of his flesh”. That means after his death and resurrection to heaven, he ceased being flesh. |
Re: Is Jesus Same Person As The Father? by livingchrist: 10:36pm On Jan 07, 2021 |
DappaD:there are words in the bible that are difficult to understand, In the days of his flesh simply means his earthly life. |
Re: Is Jesus Same Person As The Father? by MaxInDHouse(m): 10:41pm On Jan 07, 2021 |
[1] When a spirit does something in your behalf how would you know if you're not seeing it? Well Melchizedek wasn't a human being that's why God's word substantiate his origin! {Hebrew 7:1-3} that's how Christians learn from the Holy Spirit, God's word never talked about any other intelligent creatures apart from Angels and humans. So if Melchizedek is not human definitely he is an angel (SPIRIT) unless if you don't believe what GOD'S word say about Creation! [2] That's the Secret of divine wisdom unless you have a better explanation which is a welcome development! [3]If he didn't appear to them (in the flesh) how will they be convinced that he has risen? His body is the sacrificial meat {Luke 22:19} so he can't put on what has BEEN GIVEN up as sacrifice again after offering it! livingchrist: |
Re: Is Jesus Same Person As The Father? by DappaD: 10:45pm On Jan 07, 2021 |
livingchrist: My question is—at what point did Jesus stop being flesh? Because if Jesus was still flesh in heaven, Paul would not have made that statement that way. Compare 2Corinthians 5:16 Moreover if Jesus still exists in flesh, then he never inherited God's Kingdom. 1Corinthians 15:50 |
Re: Is Jesus Same Person As The Father? by MaxInDHouse(m): 10:47pm On Jan 07, 2021 |
Hmmmmm, my God will bless you! The highlighted is incorrect Sir! The same Jesus was the one who served as Melchizedek before his coming (in the flesh) as human so stop doubting God's word and believe that there was nothing like Highpriest before and after Melchizedek, the Levites only served as Highpriest to foreshadow what Melchizedek will do in the future for the entire human race! Go and Read the Bible book of Hebrew chapters 5-7 livingchrist: |
Re: Is Jesus Same Person As The Father? by Barristter07: 12:07am On Jan 08, 2021 |
livingchrist: Those bearing Christ image will be in heaven . " Like the one made of dust, so too are those made of dust; and like the heavenly one, so too are those who are heavenly. 49 And just as we have borne the image of the one made of dust,+ we will bear also the image of the heavenly one ." 1Cor 15:48,49 In this state the Bible said they will see God's Face . Which means they are Spirit persons . Humans can't see God's face and live. |
Re: Is Jesus Same Person As The Father? by livingchrist: 4:03am On Jan 08, 2021 |
MaxInDHouse:So the bible is incorrect, right? Hebrews said melchizedek was a man. Hebrews 5:1 For every high priest taken from among men is ordained for men in things pertaining to God, that he may offer both gifts and sacrifices for sins: |
Re: Is Jesus Same Person As The Father? by livingchrist: 4:06am On Jan 08, 2021 |
DappaD:like I said earlier, some bible translation even renders it, as his earthly life. You yourself saw it that Jesus had flesh and bones. |
Re: Is Jesus Same Person As The Father? by livingchrist: 4:09am On Jan 08, 2021 |
Barristter07:you are giving me speculations, instead of answering my questions, If some are not bearing Christ Image, it means they wont inherit the kingdom of God right? Those who bear Adam's image are flesh and blood and would not inherit God's kingdom, so where will they be? |
Re: Is Jesus Same Person As The Father? by imagrg(m): 7:13am On Jan 08, 2021 |
No. He was God's Message Bearer. 1 Like |
Re: Is Jesus Same Person As The Father? by Emusan(m): 8:03am On Jan 08, 2021 |
Barristter07: Human are living in heaven now " No MAN " says God ... But MAN do see vision of God, how come? 1 Like |
Re: Is Jesus Same Person As The Father? by Emusan(m): 8:04am On Jan 08, 2021 |
Barristter07: So you can see your lie of NO MAN has no place. Human in heaven are seeing God's Face |
Re: Is Jesus Same Person As The Father? by Emusan(m): 8:09am On Jan 08, 2021 |
DappaD: So after claiming the office of High priest wasn't meant for only Human, you can't provide where such office was occupied by Spirit Being, bah? When your post is there to read, you want to change mouth ko |
Re: Is Jesus Same Person As The Father? by Barristter07: 8:25am On Jan 08, 2021 |
Emusan:Enough of your lies God said NO MAN can see him and live. |
Re: Is Jesus Same Person As The Father? by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:35am On Jan 08, 2021 |
This particular letter Paul wrote was primarily addressed to the Christians who were Hebrews naturally. Note that Paul didn't mention anything about Melchizedek in his letters to Christians from other nations. WHY? Because they had no business with Jerusalem's Temple nor whatever is practiced there again once they enter into the new covenant! John 4:19-24 This Hebrews knew so much about the duty of Highpriest because it was written in their laws and practiced in their Tabernacle and Temple for centuries. But Melchizedek has met their great grandfather Abraham long before the establishment of the Tabernacle, Temple or Priesthood in Israel. Hebrew 7:4-6 So Paul was talking about the mortal Highpriests who served in their Temple in comparison to the one who is immortal Melchizedek! You and i know that all human Highpriest are mortal (can die) but Melchizedek is immortal {Hebrew 7:3} so he can't be human! livingchrist: |
Re: Is Jesus Same Person As The Father? by Barristter07: 8:56am On Jan 08, 2021 |
Emusan: Vision is not real. Transfiguration is an example of a vision, It doesn't mean Moses and Elijah were seen for real . Likewise seeing God in vision doesn't mean God was seen for real, even Scripture said no man has seen God at ANYTIME. Am talking about reality, not vision No man can see God's face and live, heaven is not for humans. |
Re: Is Jesus Same Person As The Father? by Barristter07: 9:03am On Jan 08, 2021 |
livingchrist: I didn't give you speculation , it's written that those going to heaven will see God Face, which prove they are not humans. I repeat: No Human can see God's Face and live. Emusan is so deluded, that he had to turn to vision for assistance, so low of both of you . |
Re: Is Jesus Same Person As The Father? by MaxInDHouse(m): 9:06am On Jan 08, 2021 |
Emusan is always anxious to argue with any JW so when his ignorance becomes obvious as he jumps into the water he can't swim then he turns to rage and insults! Jesus said no man has ever been to heaven except himself that came from heaven! John 3:13 In most cases when you quote this for them to open their spiritual eyes they try to twist it yet Jesus was born just as one of us, so if he was born and he said the above then how can Moses or Elijah be in heaven? So Emusan just feel high arguing with JWs please don't kill him for me, he's my goooooood friend! Barristter07: |
Re: Is Jesus Same Person As The Father? by Barristter07: 9:13am On Jan 08, 2021 |
MaxInDHouse: You have said it all Boss. Morning Sir 1 Like |
Re: Is Jesus Same Person As The Father? by MaxInDHouse(m): 9:25am On Jan 08, 2021 |
Re: Is Jesus Same Person As The Father? by DappaD: 9:41am On Jan 08, 2021 |
Emusan: So what does position of authority or titles have to do with the nature of a being? Simple question. |
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