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Re: Is Jesus Same Person As The Father? by DappaD: 9:44am On Jan 08, 2021
livingchrist:
like I said earlier, some bible translation even renders it, as his earthly life.
You yourself saw it that Jesus had flesh and bones.

So that means he never inherited God's Kingdom? 1Corinthians 15:50
What a pity that you can render God's word invalid because of your faulty assertions. Matthew 15:3
Re: Is Jesus Same Person As The Father? by MaxInDHouse(m): 10:00am On Jan 08, 2021
Each of them wants to pitch his/her own tent but they don't want to be submissive like Jesus' true followers, that's why they left their Churches to start preaching in isolation what they want to hear from their former Pastors! undecided

The only Organization of obedient and faithful worshipers is JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES.
So they're confused (SCATTERED) just as Jesus said! Luke 11:23 embarassed


DappaD:

So that means he never inherited God's Kingdom? 1Corinthians 15:50
What a pity that you can render God's word invalid because of your faulty assertions. Matthew 15:3
Re: Is Jesus Same Person As The Father? by livingchrist: 12:04pm On Jan 08, 2021
MaxInDHouse:
This particular letter Paul wrote was primarily addressed to the Christians who were Hebrews naturally. Note that Paul didn't mention anything about Melchizedek in his letters to Christians from other nations. WHY? Because they had no business with Jerusalem's Temple nor whatever is practiced there again once they enter into the new covenant! John 4:19-24

This Hebrews knew so much about the duty of Highpriest because it was written in their laws and practiced in their Tabernacle and Temple for centuries. But Melchizedek has met their great grandfather Abraham long before the establishment of the Tabernacle, Temple or Priesthood in Israel. Hebrew 7:4-6
So Paul was talking about the mortal Highpriests who served in their Temple in comparison to the one who is immortal Melchizedek!
You and i know that all human Highpriest are mortal (can die) but Melchizedek is immortal {Hebrew 7:3} so he can't be human! smiley



I laugh, see wetin person they talk.

Again who is an high priest?

Can you state the functions of an high priest?

You havent proved that melchizedek is a Spirit, again paul said every high priest is taken from among men, no be so, where was melchizedek taken from?

If melchizedek continue to be high priest, why was the Aaronic priesthood needed?


Secondly, If there were Spirit high priest, of what need is a human high priest again?
Re: Is Jesus Same Person As The Father? by MaxInDHouse(m): 12:17pm On Jan 08, 2021
If you're not satisfied with what you've heard so far there's no problem Sir, just go out there and teach whoever is willing to listen how a man (Adam's descendant) will have no father, no mother, no genealogy, no beginning of days nor end of life! Hebrew 7:3

May you have PEACE! smiley


livingchrist:
I laugh, see wetin person they talk.
Again who is an high priest?
Can you state the functions of an high priest?
You havent proved that melchizedek is a Spirit, again paul said every high priest is taken from among men, no be so, where was melchizedek taken from?
If melchizedek continue to be high priest, why was the Aaronic priesthood needed?
Secondly, If there were Spirit high priest, of what need is a human high priest again?
Re: Is Jesus Same Person As The Father? by livingchrist: 12:23pm On Jan 08, 2021
Barristter07:


I didn't give you speculation , it's written that those going to heaven will see God Face, which prove they are not humans.

I repeat: No Human can see God's Face and live.

Emusan is so deluded, that he had to turn to vision for assistance, so low of both of you .

you are giving me speculations, instead of answering my questions, If some are not bearing Christ Image, it means they wont inherit the kingdom of God right?
Those who bear Adam's image are flesh and blood and would not inherit God's kingdom, so where will they be?

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Re: Is Jesus Same Person As The Father? by livingchrist: 12:24pm On Jan 08, 2021
DappaD:


So that means he never inherited God's Kingdom? 1Corinthians 15:50
What a pity that you can render God's word invalid because of your faulty assertions. Matthew 15:3
Jesus is not flesh and blood
Re: Is Jesus Same Person As The Father? by livingchrist: 12:26pm On Jan 08, 2021
MaxInDHouse:
If you're not satisfied with what you've heard so far there's no problem Sir, just go out there and teach whoever is willing to listen how a man (Adam's descendant) will have no father, no mother, no genealogy, no beginning of days nor end of life! Hebrew 7:3

May you have PEACE! smiley


keep running with your tails in between your legs.
Any time you talk nonsense I will bring this question to you.
Re: Is Jesus Same Person As The Father? by DappaD: 12:38pm On Jan 08, 2021
livingchrist:
Jesus is not flesh and blood

livingchrist:
Jesus had flesh and bones when he resurrected

Please which one should I believe sir?
Re: Is Jesus Same Person As The Father? by Emusan(m): 12:39pm On Jan 08, 2021
DappaD:


So what does position of authority or titles have to do with the nature of a being? Simple question.

So you didn't understand the point @livingchrist made before you type that rubbish.

The point is, for Jesus to still be an High Priest He must be a Human Being because ONLY as a human can one hold the office.


Do you grab it now?
Re: Is Jesus Same Person As The Father? by livingchrist: 12:45pm On Jan 08, 2021
DappaD:




Please which one should I believe sir?


What you dont know is that there are two types of man,
The natural man and the spiritual man.
The natural man is also referred to as flesh and blood.
Jesus resurrected with flesh and bones telling you that Jesus is a spiritual man, whose body has being transformed to heavenly body.
Re: Is Jesus Same Person As The Father? by DappaD: 12:48pm On Jan 08, 2021
Emusan:


So you didn't understand the point @livingchrist made before you type that rubbish.
The point is, for Jesus to still be an High Priest He must be a Human Being because ONLY as a human can one hold the office.Do you grab it now?

Psalm 93:1 says that Jehovah is King and yet he exists as a Spirit. John 4:24, 2Corinthians 3:17
So for humans who became kings in the past, did they have to be spirits to sit on Jehovah's throne? 1Chronicles 29:23

Sometimes try and look at what you're typing before rushing to conclusions because you want to argue. I was observing the other thread when the Henry guy said holy spirit was an angel but because he wasn't JW, you didn't rush and label him your usual “LIAR LIAR”. Goes to show how much hypocrisy can eat a person up from within.

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Re: Is Jesus Same Person As The Father? by DappaD: 12:49pm On Jan 08, 2021
livingchrist:


What you dont know is that there are two types of man, The natural man and the spiritual man.
The natural man is also referred to as flesh and blood.Jesus resurrected with flesh and bones tells you Jesus is a spiritual man, whose body has being transformed to heavenly body.


1Corinthians 2:14-15 has nothing to do with what you just typed up there. From that verse, a person can switch between this ‘physical’ meaning ‘carnal’ man and ‘spiritual’ meaning ‘godly/religious’ man at any time.
Re: Is Jesus Same Person As The Father? by MaxInDHouse(m): 12:50pm On Jan 08, 2021
Melchizedek is not a man (Adam's descendant)! Hebrew 7:3

If you believe otherwise just say what you know nobody will flog you for airing your opinion.
If you're also a believer of this book (BIBLE) please don't feel intimidated, speak out and someone somewhere out there will be touched by the spirit to correct you (that is if you don't get it right) {Matthew 7:7-8} it's Satan's agents that always ask question upon question upon questions on what is written in God's word! Genesis 3:1

May you have PEACE! smiley


livingchrist:
keep running with your tails in between your legs.
Any time you talk nonsense I will bring this question to you.
Re: Is Jesus Same Person As The Father? by Emusan(m): 12:53pm On Jan 08, 2021
Barristter07:
Enough of your lies God said NO MAN can see him and live.
But MOSES saw God
Or you mean God's face
You can see you're the liar here
Re: Is Jesus Same Person As The Father? by MaxInDHouse(m): 12:55pm On Jan 08, 2021
Why not ask him what are the attributes of a physical man and that of a spiritual man?
Was Paul (the writer of the letter our friend is quoting) a physical man or spiritual man?
cheesy




DappaD:

1Corinthians 2:14-15 has nothing to do with what you just typed up there. According to that verse, a person can switch between this ‘physical’ meaning ‘carnal’ man and ‘spiritual’ meaning ‘godly/religious’ man at any time.
Re: Is Jesus Same Person As The Father? by Emusan(m): 12:56pm On Jan 08, 2021
Barristter07:


Vision is not real.


Transfiguration is an example of a vision, It doesn't mean Moses and Elijah were seen for real . Likewise seeing God in vision doesn't mean God was seen for real, even Scripture said no man has seen God at ANYTIME.

Am talking about reality, not vision

No man can see God's face and live, heaven is not for humans.


See the lying liar saying vision isn't real

Stephen saw both God and Jesus when he was being stoned to death.

That one isn't real too right?

Heaven is for human as people already in heaven.
Re: Is Jesus Same Person As The Father? by Barristter07: 12:56pm On Jan 08, 2021
Emusan:


But MOSES saw God

Or you mean God's face

You can see you're the liar here

Moses Never saw God's Face , he was specifically told if he does, he would die.

Reduce the volume of the lies

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Re: Is Jesus Same Person As The Father? by Barristter07: 12:58pm On Jan 08, 2021
Emusan:


See the lying liar saying vision isn't real

Stephen saw both God and Jesus when he was being stoned to death.

That one isn't real too right?

Heaven is for human as people already in heaven.

Vision is not real. Transfiguration is a clear example.

No human can see God's Face in Reality and Live . God cannot lie.

No human can go to heaven, they will die.

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Re: Is Jesus Same Person As The Father? by Emusan(m): 1:00pm On Jan 08, 2021
Barristter07:


Moses Never saw God's Face , he was specifically told if he does, he would die.

Reduce the volume of the lies

But you just said no MAN has seen God

You can see you're the liar here.
Re: Is Jesus Same Person As The Father? by Emusan(m): 1:02pm On Jan 08, 2021
Barristter07:

Vision is not real. Transfiguration is a clear example.
No human can see God's Face in Reality and Live . God cannot lie.
No human can go to heaven, they will die.
But Stephen eyes were opened and saw God and Jesus.
Where was the Bible says REALITY? You've started inserting your lies again.
Human are already in heaven
See awkward reasoning, how will human find their way to heaven and still died?
Re: Is Jesus Same Person As The Father? by DappaD: 1:03pm On Jan 08, 2021
MaxInDHouse:
Why not ask him what are the attributes of a physical man and that of a spiritual man?
Was Paul (the writer of the letter our friend is quoting) a physical man or spiritual man?
cheesy


Let's deal with him gently because for now he has no knowledge about the “deep things” of Jehovah God. Job 11:7, 1Corinthians 2:10
The man has decided not to update his thinking because he's been repeating the same questions he asked over three months ago.

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Re: Is Jesus Same Person As The Father? by MaxInDHouse(m): 1:03pm On Jan 08, 2021
No prophet (including Jesus) ever risen like Moses {Deuteronomy 34:10} it simply means Moses speaks with God directly {Numbers 12:6-8} not through prayer like other prophets! Matthew 26:36
But as for seeing God, the scriptures can't be more clarified NO MAN (including Moses) has seen God at any time! John 1:18 smiley




Emusan:

But MOSES saw God
Or you mean God's face
You can see you're the liar here
Re: Is Jesus Same Person As The Father? by Emusan(m): 1:08pm On Jan 08, 2021
MaxInDHouse:
No prophet (including Jesus) ever risen like Moses {Deuteronomy 34:10} it simply means Moses speaks with God directly {Numbers 12:6-8} not through prayer like other prophets! Matthew 26:36
But as for seeing God, the scriptures can't be more clarified NO MAN (including Moses) has seen God at any time! John 1:18 smiley

See delusion in display

Jesus who is the first created being and the person Jehovah used to create all other things isn't great more than Moses, your brain must be on vacation on this.

And Jesus who is a mighty spirit and even the very image of God didn't speak with God directly..... Oma seee ooooo

Yet your brother was arguing blindly that it is God's face that people can't see.
Re: Is Jesus Same Person As The Father? by MaxInDHouse(m): 1:23pm On Jan 08, 2021
As a man Jesus must speak to God through prayer {Mark 1:35} but Moses spoke with God directly! Numbers 12:6-8

May you have PEACE!


Emusan:

See delusion in display
Jesus who is the first created being and the person Jehovah used to create all other things isn't great more than Moses, your brain must be on vacation on this.
And Jesus who is a mighty spirit and even the very image of God didn't speak with God directly..... Oma seee ooooo
Yet your brother was arguing blindly that it is God's face that people can't see.
Re: Is Jesus Same Person As The Father? by Emusan(m): 1:25pm On Jan 08, 2021
MaxInDHouse:
As a man Jesus must speak to God through prayer {Mark 1:35} but Moses spoke with God directly! Numbers 12:6-8

May you have PEACE!



But the Father is in Jesus, can you see your lying mouth?

Something the scripture never said about Moses, truly the spirit of your father working tirelessly in you.
Re: Is Jesus Same Person As The Father? by MaxInDHouse(m): 1:32pm On Jan 08, 2021
Jesus pray to his God!
Moses spoke with his God
Both of them lived as man {Matthew 20:28} and served as PROPHETS! Deuteronomy 18:15-18 compared to Act 3:22 smiley


Emusan:

But the Father is in Jesus, can you see your lying mouth?
Something the scripture never said about Moses, truly the spirit of your father working tirelessly in you.
Re: Is Jesus Same Person As The Father? by Barristter07: 1:41pm On Jan 08, 2021
Emusan:

But Stephen eyes were opened and saw God and Jesus.
Where was the Bible says REALITY? You've started inserting your lies again.
Human are already in heaven
See awkward reasoning, how will human find their way to heaven and still died?

grin grin grin Omoh, I like this kind situation.

No MAN can see God Face and Live . The Almighty cannot lie. To claim humans see God's face in heaven is to make him a liar .

What Stephen see is an ordinary vision, not the Almighty himself.

Act 7:59 he said I saw the heavens opened.

That's Vision. Not that heavens actually opened! The sky remain as it is!!!

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Re: Is Jesus Same Person As The Father? by Janosky: 1:46pm On Jan 08, 2021
Barristter07:


grin grin grin Omoh, I like this kind situation.

No MAN can see God Face and Live . The Almighty cannot lie. To claim humans see God's face in heaven is to make him a liar .

What Stephen see is an ordinary vision, not the Almighty himself.

Act 7:59 he said I saw the heavens opened.

That's Vision. Not that heavens actually opened! The sky remain as it is!!!


Gbagam
Gbamest


grin cheesy cheesy grin
Re: Is Jesus Same Person As The Father? by Barristter07: 1:48pm On Jan 08, 2021
Janosky:

Gbagam
Gbamest


grin cheesy cheesy grin

He didn't know Stephen saw God is like saying heavens actually opened in the sky. His case is pathetic sha

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Re: Is Jesus Same Person As The Father? by MaxInDHouse(m): 2:11pm On Jan 08, 2021
Abeg Barrister07 no kill Emusan for me o, he is my goooooood friend! smiley

Barristter07:

He didn't know Stephen saw God is like saying heavens actually opened in the sky. His case is pathetic sha
Re: Is Jesus Same Person As The Father? by livingchrist: 2:54pm On Jan 08, 2021
DappaD:


1Corinthians 2:14-15 has nothing to do with what you just typed up there. From that verse, a person can switch between this ‘physical’ meaning ‘carnal’ man and ‘spiritual’ meaning ‘godly/religious’ man at any time.
'Carnal' or 'natural' can never be interchange for spiritual.
Re: Is Jesus Same Person As The Father? by livingchrist: 2:55pm On Jan 08, 2021
Barristter07:


grin grin grin Omoh, I like this kind situation.

No MAN can see God Face and Live . The Almighty cannot lie. To claim humans see God's face in heaven is to make him a liar .

What Stephen see is an ordinary vision, not the Almighty himself.

Act 7:59 he said I saw the heavens opened.

That's Vision. Not that heavens actually opened! The sky remain as it is!!!


No man can see God, how about The fact that Jesus sees God even as a man he is.

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