TAO11:


With regards to the hypothesis in the attached screenshot above, please find below the detailed responses below:

(1) Four years after the hypothesis in the above attachment has been put forward by A. F. C. Ryder; he himself is reported in a joint publication by Professors Elizabeth Allo Isichei & Peter Uche Isichei to have abandoned his own hypothesis.

These professors of African history note in their joint work, “A History of Nigeria”, as follows:

“It is noteworthy that Ryder, who questioned the Ife connection and argued the case for the linkages with a northern kingdom, abandoned the line of argument in his later book, Benin and the Europeans.”

Reference:
https://books.google.com/books?id=96ZzAAAAMAAJ&focus=searchwithinvolume&q=northern+kingdom

Elizabeth A. Isichei & Peter Uche Isichei, “A History of Nigeria”, Longman (1983), Volume 2, p. 137.


(2) Furthermore to this, even if Ryder had failed to retrace his steps, his hypothesis (which has yielded no result till date) has been devastatingly debunked by many subsequent research — one of which is by Robin Horton which I have particularly expounded on at the link below.

https://www.nairaland.com/6048841/how-unveil-promote-ancient-igbo/55#93649575

Cc: Ofunwa111

I have read the benin and Europeans Ryder never tooj a new stance there


Except you ready to give screenshot on the article were he took the new stance


Am waiting

TAO11:
To those who wish to deny how the Yorubas ransacked and slave-raided Benin kingdom; here is the evidence for you.

TWO (2) Crucial Points To Note Here:
(1) These statements are not collected from the Yorubas. These are confirmations made by the Edos themselves in the course of Bradbury’s ethnographic survey of the Benin subgroup and the other Edo subgroups.

(2) These are not isolated statement made by just one Edo person or by just one Edo subgroup (and probably subject to an unintentional misrepresentation, or probably the result of an unintentional misrepresentation, etc.) No! These are multiply attested and multiply corroborated statements from independent and diverse Edo sub-groups as will be seen below.

In the light of the foregoing, consider the texts below from pages 86 and 112 of R. E. Bradbury’s “The Benin Kingdom and the Edo-Speaking Peoples of South-Western Nigeria”:

www.nairaland.com/attachments/12963048_d079ee566f9c4ffe8ed22706b7427018_jpeg_jpegfc800622456bc980658b4c8a2f86977b

www.nairaland.com/attachments/12963135_67b295914d7044f1b014ed10c81f36a2_jpeg_jpegaac879200a527617c6999f6be77236ad

Tell your children the hard truth from day 1 so they won’t have to find out the hard way on Nairaland — like I’ve been forcing the Binis to.



Cc: Obalatule, Ofunwa111, Juliusmalema, ariesbull, MelesZenawi, Afam4eva, gomojam, Ideadoctor, Balogunodua, babtoundey, DenreleDave, SaintBeehot

You raided your own people in the fringe of edo and call it raiding on edos, akoko edo are culturally yorubas who were influenced by neigbouring edo and igala communities



If you raided esan, auchi or benin, then you raided edo, and not some outflow of yorubas in edo boundaries

Balogunodua:
.

You kept dealing with this miscreants


Hope samuk has finally consulted the Arabs around him...

Trolls

Balogunodua:


You kept bursting an invincible lie everyday while she kept dealing with you guyz....

Invincible dealings you mean,


Do you know how many yoruba accounts we have dealt with in thess forum that forever refuse to come back to culture thread again


TAO11 case ia understandable, she is a bi polar patient, killing off depression on culture thread

gregyboy:




You raided your own people in the fringe of edo and call it raiding on edos, akoko edo are culturally yorubas who were influenced by neigbouring edo and igala communities



If you raided esan, auchi or benin, then you raided edo, and not some outflow of yorubas in edo boundaries

Come on, you can do better than this. Akoko are Edo, the said raids actually never took place.
Don't dash away our people just to win an argument. Remain sharp.
Remember the only true Yoruba are the people of oyo. The rest are either dahomians, either jebu either brainwashed Edo either slave descendants. Stop falling so easily for these scammers' tricks.

nocomment1:


Come on, you can do better than this. Akoko are Edo, the said raids actually never took place
Don't dash away our people. Remain sharp.

Akoko are yorubas from ondo

Akoko edo is a political name, for the Akokos in edo,

I once schooled in edo north so i know what am saying


But if you say the slave raid didnt occur you have to show me some prove and i can join you on that

Here to share my wisdom, not to engage trolls. So if my wisdom is needed, one only needs to ask, I will get back to you when my time table allows me to.

gregyboy:



Akoko are yorubas from ondo

Akoko edo is a political name, for the Akokos in edo,

I once schooled in edo north so i know what am saying


But if you say the slave raid didnt occur you have to show me some prove and i can join you on that

Greggyboy, wise up. Do you expect me to show you a picture of something not happening ? How does one prove something didn't happen ?
Where is proof it did happen, that is where you should have gone.
It is good to argue sometimes, some other times it is better to be wise. Don't be as unwise as those you are responding.

Wherever you went to school is irrelevant, Akoko are Edo.

Cab, abeg drop me here.

Lemme see who is the best liar (and most insecure) of these two Edo lying machines debating each other.

In the meantime, I would wait here for the winner of your debate to meet me in the finals.

Where he will prove that those Edos were all drunk when they all admitted to have been slave-raided by the Yorubas.
—————————

Having said that:

Akokos are Yorubas

Akoko-Edo are non-Yorubas.

However, the research does NOT mention Akoko (Yorubas).

Also, it does NOT mention Akoko-Edo (Edos).

Rather, it mentions other Edo groups who all admitted to have been slave-raided by the Yorubas of Ibadan, of Ilesha, of Ilorin.

These Edo peoples include but are not limited to: Ora, Emai, Ishan, Ivbi-Ada-Obi, Lankpese, Ososo, Ekpe, Ekpessa, et al.

www.nairaland.com/attachments/12963048_d079ee566f9c4ffe8ed22706b7427018_jpeg_jpegfc800622456bc980658b4c8a2f86977b

www.nairaland.com/attachments/12963135_67b295914d7044f1b014ed10c81f36a2_jpeg_jpegaac879200a527617c6999f6be77236ad

Balogunodua, you were correct; he resurfaced with another moniker which I will soon force him to deactivate as always.

Cc: Obalatule, Ofunwa111, Juliusmalema, ariesbull, MelesZenawi, Afam4eva, gomojam, Ideadoctor, babtoundey, DenreleDave, SaintBeehot

gregyboy:



Invincible dealings you mean,


Do you know how many yoruba accounts we have dealt with in thess forum that forever refuse to come back to culture thread again


TAO11 case ia understandable, she is a bi polar patient, killing off depression on culture thread

Hehehehe...

You mean she dealt with you guyz brutally that made you coward brother deactivated his account because of shame even samuk Usainbolted when he couldn't locate the Arabs around him....

TAO11:
Cab, abeg drop me here.

Lemme see who is the best liar (and most insecure) of these two Edo lying machines debating each other.

In the meantime, I would wait here for the winner of your debate to meet me in the finals.

Where he will prove that those Edos were all drunk when they all admitted to have been slave-raided by the Yorubas.
—————————

Having said that:

Akokos are Yorubas

Akoko-Edo are non-Yorubas.

However, the research does NOT mention Akoko (Yorubas).

Also, it does NOT mention Akoko-Edo (Edos).

Rather, it mentions other Edo groups who all admitted to have been slave-raided by the Yorubas of Ibadan, of Ilesha, of Ilorin.

These Edo peoples include but are not limited to: Ora, Emai, Ishan, Ivbi-Ada-Obi, Lankpese, Ososo, Ekpe, Ekpessa, et al.

www.nairaland.com/attachments/12963048_d079ee566f9c4ffe8ed22706b7427018_jpeg_jpegfc800622456bc980658b4c8a2f86977b

www.nairaland.com/attachments/12963135_67b295914d7044f1b014ed10c81f36a2_jpeg_jpegaac879200a527617c6999f6be77236ad

Balogunodua, you were correct; he resurfaced with another moniker which I will soon force him to deactivate as always.

Cc: Obalatule, Ofunwa111, Juliusmalema, ariesbull, MelesZenawi, Afam4eva, gomojam, Ideadoctor, babtoundey, DenreleDave, SaintBeehot

He never disappoints with his cowardness....

TAO11:
Cab, abeg drop me here.

Lemme see who is the best liar (and most insecure) of these two Edo lying machines debating each other.

In the meantime, I would wait here for the winner of your debate to meet me in the finals.

Where he will prove that those Edos were all drunk when they all admitted to have been slave-raided by the Yorubas.
—————————

Having said that:

Akokos are Yorubas

Akoko-Edo are non-Yorubas.

However, the research does NOT mention Akoko (Yorubas).

Also, it does NOT mention Akoko-Edo (Edos).

Rather, it mentions other Edo groups who all admitted to have been slave-raided by the Yorubas of Ibadan, of Ilesha, of Ilorin.

These Edo peoples include but are not limited to: Ora, Emai, Ishan, Ivbi-Ada-Obi, Lankpese, Ososo, Ekpe, Ekpessa, et al.

www.nairaland.com/attachments/12963048_d079ee566f9c4ffe8ed22706b7427018_jpeg_jpegfc800622456bc980658b4c8a2f86977b

www.nairaland.com/attachments/12963135_67b295914d7044f1b014ed10c81f36a2_jpeg_jpegaac879200a527617c6999f6be77236ad

Balogunodua, you were correct; he resurfaced with another moniker which I will soon force him to deactivate as always.

Cc: Obalatule, Ofunwa111, Juliusmalema, ariesbull, MelesZenawi, Afam4eva, gomojam, Ideadoctor, babtoundey, DenreleDave, SaintBeehot

How are we sure the raiding even happened


Maybe i have been taken the raiding issue wrongly, how we sure it happened

Can you give us and old document attesting to it,


nocomment1, Etinosa1234


I think i have gone to easy on you tao11,

gregyboy:


How are we sure the raiding even happened


Maybe i have been taken the raiding issue wrongly, how we sure it happened

Can you give us and old document attesting to it,


nocomment1, Etinosa1234


I think i have gone to easy on you tao1.1,

Whether the raids happened or not, it doesn't change the fact that their Oyo Empire was Constantly raided by Dahomey and Nupe before they were defeated in an all out war ...

After that, they were completely brought down by a coalition of their very own afonja and a Fulani man which led to the destruction of their capital Oyo ile

Nigeria gets raided by the Fulani herdsmen and bandits... But it doesn't completely undermine the authority of the Nigerian govt over the raided areas

Etinosa1234:

Whether the raids happened or not, it doesn't change the fact that their Oyo Empire was Constantly raided by Dahomey and Nupe before they were defeated in an all out war ...

After that, they were completely brought down by a coalition of their very own afonja and a Fulani man which led to the destruction of their capital Oyo ile

Nigeria gets raided by the Fulani herdsmen and bandits... But it doesn't completely undermine the authority of the Nigerian govt

That is a known fact, she doesn't mind denying it or even taken pride in it, remember she is a psycho

But am not in for that, i just want her to prove it happened,

She said esan, and edo north, so she must bring evidence from all those places raided in edo attesting to the fact they were truly raided

If not is one bullshit story like the benin oduduwa myth

gregyboy:



That is a known fact, she doesn't mind denying it or even taken pride in it, remember she is a psycho

But am not in for that, i just want her to prove it happened,

She said esan, and edo north, so she must bring evidence from all those places raided in edo attesting to the fact they were truly raided

If not is one bullshit story like the benin oduduwa myth

The places she mentioned are majorly in Edo North

Balogunodua:


He never disappoints with his cowardness....

Am asking your pyscho yoruba sister to bring evidence that ibadan warriors truly raided edo, atleast she insisted on the lagos history that we must hear from both side both from the aworis and edo account to draw conclusions


So i like to do thesame in this case, a statement from the respective areas raided by ibadan in edo
Attesting to the raid, firstly

This attestation must be from the various ethnic website or written by an indigene of such town Attesting to the raids on their town or else its bullshit

That we can then prove the raiding was not a magic myth, told for tribal glorification

Secondly we can then go to compare, all stories from this various places in edo with that of the yorubas and the benins to find the truth

Benin raided eastern Yoruba the prove is there for everyone to see, the kingship, the benin names and co, will easily make it easy to know the raiding wasnt a myth, but yet tao11 would still ask to compare from both account,
I hope no one would cry foul for her sake, esp you Balogunodua for being unfair





Etinosa12345
AreaFada2
nocomment1
Samuk
Valirex
Ghostwon


I hope you all agree to this

Etinosa1234:


The places she mentioned are majorly in Edo North

We need evidence


Ishan means all ishan, dont try to make her work easier bro,


This is how i send how into oblivion

Simply because according to the video they said they migrated from Benin and that the kingdom was created by the Oba of Benin

IDENNAA:


Because they spoke Bini , right ? Or , they were speaking Igbo ?

Balogunodua were is Tao11 have you hidden her

Ofunwa111
Balogunodua
MelesZenawi
Olu317
Obalufon
Ideadoctor
BabaRamota1980


Etinosa12345
AreaFada2
Valirex
Ghostwon
Samuk
nocomment1
Dartilo

gregyboy:



Am asking your pyscho yoruba sister to bring evidence that ibadan warriors truly raided edo, atleast she insisted on the lagos history that we must hear from both side both from the aworis and edo account to draw conclusions


So i like to do thesame in this case, a statement from the respective areas raided by ibadan in edo
Attesting to the raid, firstly

This attestation must be from the various ethnic website or written by an indigene of such town Attesting to the raids on their town or else its bullshit

That we can then prove the raiding was not a magic myth, told for tribal glorification

Secondly we can then go to compare, all stories from this various places in edo with that of the yorubas and the benins to find the truth

Benin raided eastern Yoruba the prove is there for everyone to see, the kingship, the benin names and co, will easily make it easy to know the raiding wasnt a myth, but yet tao11 would still ask to compare from both account,
I hope no one would cry foul for her sake, esp you Balogunodua for being unfair





Etinosa12345
AreaFada2
nocomment1
Samuk
Valirex
Ghostwon


I hope you all agree to this

Are you blind or you see the people admitted that they were raided

Balogunodua:


Are you blind or you see the people admitted that they were raided

As usual crying more than the bereaved, i need evidence not tears

gregyboy:



As usual crying more than the bereaved, i need evidence not tears

Kikikiki...

It either you are stupid or dull chose one...

Balogunodua:


Kikikiki...

It either i am stupid or dull i will chose one...

Lol

Balogunodua:
Are you blind or you see the people admitted that they were raided

The boy poor won’t cease being a dullard.

His own people (not one Edo group, not two Edo groups, nor three Edo groups, not four Edo groups, not five Edo groups, but several Edo groups) all admitted to have being slave raided.

Yet my rag needs a BBC or CNN video documentary which shows how his daddies and mommies were captured by their Yorubas slave-raiders from Ilesha, Ibadan, and Ilorin.

Wait, did he say his daddies and mommies lied to have been slave-raided by the Yorubas in order to prop-up their Edo cultural heritage. Amazing! I never knew the Yorubas were this influential. LMAO!

Moreover, I already posted a video, some days ago, showing how the descendants of the enslaved Edos were returning back home to Benin kingdom for the first time since the Yorubas sold off their Edo ancestors.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxDve0rwQbM&t=506s

Oh yes I did for sure. My rag’s dumb excuse was that the return must be the Republic of Benin and not Benin Kingdom in Nigeria.

Just as every single one of his dumb pleadings, that also failed because of the screenshot below which was captured from timestamp 8:20 of the video.
www.nairaland.com/attachments/12967603_dbbf6affdfe44f7caeab592426df2cbd_jpeg_jpeg0b1236806bfadf0c765f979fee527ef0


One of my greatest joys is that the information is out there now — especially on a public thread as this one. Hahaha!

Everyone now knows where to turn to whenever these Edos pass their boundary again.

Cc: Obalatule, Juliusmalema, Ofunwa111, ariesbull, MelesZenawi, Ideadoctor

gregyboy:



Lol

This boy,you just like trouble, why? why? answer me why?,you dey mentioning people that will come and scatter you

TAO11:
The boy poor won’t cease being a dullard.

His own people (not one Edo group, not two Edo groups, nor three Edo groups, not four Edo groups, not five Edo groups, but several Edo groups) all admitted to have being slave raided.

Yet my rag needs a BBC or CNN video documentary which shows how his daddies and mommies were captured by their Yorubas slave-raiders from Ilesha, Ibadan, and Ilorin.

Wait, did he say his daddies and mommies lied to have been slave-raided by the Yorubas in order to prop-up their Edo cultural heritage. Amazing! I never knew the Yorubas were this influential. LMAO!

Moreover, I already posted a video, some days ago, showing how the descendants of the enslaved Edos were returning back home to Benin kingdom for the first time since the Yorubas sold off their Edo ancestors.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxDve0rwQbM&t=506s

Oh yes I did for sure. My rag’s dumb excuse was that the return must be the Republic of Benin and not Benin Kingdom in Nigeria.

Just as every single one of his dumb pleadings, that also failed because of the screenshot below which was captured from timestamp 8:20 of the video.
www.nairaland.com/attachments/12967603_dbbf6affdfe44f7caeab592426df2cbd_jpeg_jpeg0b1236806bfadf0c765f979fee527ef0


One of my greatest joys is that the information is out there now — especially on a public thread as this one. Hahaha!

Everyone now knows where to turn to whenever these Edos pass their boundary again.

Cc: Obalatule, Juliusmalema, Ofunwa111, ariesbull, MelesZenawi, Ideadoctor

Is this what i asked you of, if those were even edo slaves, probably the Europeans raided them themselves and not yoruba or ibadan warrior

Give me what i ask, and dont be cunny

Etinosa1234:

Whether the raids happened or not,

Don’t worry too much, the slave-raids happened!

Several of your daddies and mommies already admitted it. LMAO!

Not one Edo group group, not two, not three, not four, not five, but several Edo groups all independently confessed that their daddies and mommies were slave-raided by the Yorubas.

it doesn't change the fact that their Oyo Empire was Constantly raided by Dahomey and Nupe

Oyo Empire constantly raided by Dahomey and Nupe??

Did you get high on battery water ??

before they were defeated in an all out war ...

Oyo Empire defeated by Dahomey and Nupe ?

Somebody is clearly high on a dangerous substance.

You probably meant that Dahomey was harassed by Oyo for literally 100 years after which Oyo prioritized more pressing internal troubles.

Nupe defeated Oyo Empire ??

At this point I think your insecurities and your “we’re-going-down-together” attitude has just hit an all-time high.

After that, they were completely brought down by a coalition of their very own afonja and a Fulani man which led to the destruction of their capital Oyo ile

So what if Afonja plotted a coup ??

Did Benin not plot a coup against itself which caused your kingdom to be reduced to a mere village ??

Did Afonja’s coup stop several Edos subgroups from being sold into slavery by the Yorubas ??

Nigeria gets raided by the Fulani herdsmen and bandits... But it doesn't completely undermine the authority of the Nigerian govt over the raided areas

Another failed attempt at a moronic analogy.

Fulani herdsmen and bandit is not a kingdom with a capital or specifically identifiable territory.

The slave-raids by the Yorubas, on the other hand, was from well-defined kingdoms whose territories are known and remembered till date by the Edo slave-victims.

I would have expected Benin kingdom to have declared war and attacked Ibadan, or Ilesha, or Ilorin. LMAO!

Moreover, the Nupes did more than slave-raiding; they actualled installed ajeles on these Edo lands from where tributes are remitted back to Nupe land.

Benin kingdom couldn’t do sh*t.

Bottom Line:
Edos subgroups such as: Ora, Emai, Ishan, Ivbi-Ada-Obi, Lankpese, Ososo, Ekpe, Ekpessa, and many others (who are all descendants of Benin city and whose respective territories are within Benin kingdom) were slave-raided and sold into slavery by some different Yoruba groups at different times.

Cheers!

gregyboy:
[s]Is this what i asked you of, if those were even edo slaves, probably the Europeans raided them themselves and not yoruba or ibadan warrior

Give me what i ask, and dont be cunny[/s]

Rag, now get your rusty brain out of my mention and go ask your daddies and mommies questions instead.

Save some money ...

Travel round Edo state on bicycle...

Go ask your own people the following question:

Daddy! Mommy! Why are you all so fucckking stupid to have confessed that the Yorubas sold us into slavery ??

Cc: Obalatule, Juliusmalema, Ofunwa111, ariesbull, MelesZenawi, Ideadoctor, Balogunodua, gomojam

TAO11:
Rag, now get your rusty brain out of my mention and go ask your daddies and mommies questions instead.

Save some money ...

Travel round Edo state on bicycle...

Go ask your own people the following question:

Daddy! Mommy! Why are you all so fucckking stupid to have confessed that the Yorubas sold us into slavery ??

Cc: Obalatule, Juliusmalema, Ofunwa111, ariesbull, MelesZenawi, Ideadoctor, Balogunodua, gomojam

I didn't ask you for tears or lashes, fool

All i ask is evidence which you have not given



Am asking your pyscho yoruba sister to bring evidence that ibadan warriors truly raided edo, atleast she insisted on the lagos history that we must hear from both side both from the aworis and edo account to draw conclusions


So i like to do thesame in this case, a statement from the respective areas raided by ibadan in edo
Attesting to the raid, firstly

This attestation must be from the various ethnic website or written by an indigene of such town Attesting to the raids on their town or else its bullshit

That we can then prove the raiding was not a magic myth, told for tribal glorification

Secondly we can then go to compare, all stories from this various places in edo with that of the yorubas and the benins to find the truth

Benin raided eastern Yoruba the prove is there for everyone to see, the kingship, the benin names and co, will easily make it easy to know the raiding wasnt a myth, but yet tao11 would still ask to compare from both account,
I hope no one would cry foul for her sake, esp you Balogunodua for being unfair


grin grin grin grin grin


Etinosa12345
AreaFada2
nocomment1
Samuk
Valirex
Ghostwon


I hope you all agree to this

TAO11:
Don’t worry too much, the slave-raids happened!

Several of your daddies and mommies already admitted it. LMAO!

Not one Edo group group, not two, not three, not four, not five, but several Edo groups all independently confessed that their daddies and mommies were slave-raided by the Yorubas.

Oyo Empire constantly raided by Dahomey and Nupe??

Did you get high on battery water ??

Oyo Empire defeated by Dahomey and Nupe ?

Somebody is clearly high on a dangerous substance.

You probably meant that Dahomey was harassed by Oyo for literally 100 years after which Oyo prioritized more pressing internal troubles.

Nupe defeated Oyo Empire ??

At this point I think your insecurities and your “we’re-going-down-together” attitude has just hit an all-time high.

So what if Afonja plotted a coup ??

Did Benin not plot a coup against itself which caused your kingdom to be reduced to a mere village ??

Did Afonja’s coup stop several Edos subgroups from being sold into slavery by the Yorubas ??

Another failed attempt at a moronic analogy.

Fulani herdsmen and bandit is not a kingdom with a capital or specifically identifiable territory.

The slave-raids by the Yorubas, on the other hand, was from well-defined kingdoms whose territories are known and remembered till date by the Edo slave-victims.

I would have expected Benin kingdom to have declared war and attacked Ibadan, or Ilesha, or Ilorin. LMAO!

Moreover, the Nupes did more than slave-raiding; they actualled installed ajeles on these Edo lands from where tributes are remitted back to Nupe land.

Benin kingdom couldn’t do sh*t.

Bottom Line:
Edos subgroups such as: Ora, Emai, Ishan, Ivbi-Ada-Obi, Lankpese, Ososo, Ekpe, Ekpessa, and many others (who are all descendants of Benin city and whose respective territories are within Benin kingdom) were slave-raided and sold into slavery by some different Yoruba groups at different times.

Cheers!

You're thereby banned from using such fallacious statements claiming yorubas raided edo territories

No edo areas you mentioned attested to it, or bore any witnesses of such raids


Its just one myth like that of oduduwa

gregyboy:


You're thereby banned from using such fallacious statements claiming yorubas raided edo territories

No edo areas you mentioned attested to it, or bore any witnesses of such raids


Its just one myth like that of oduduwa

hahahahah..can't stop laughing, won fo lenu,shebi you no wan get sense,ehn no worry, until you get sense,insults and humiliation will not be far from your tribe, you maggot!

Ideadoctor:
hahahahah..can't stop laughing, won fo lenu,shebi you no wan get sense,ehn no worry, until you get sense,insults and humiliation will not be far from your tribe, you maggot!

In his mind he’s saying:

“The worst thing Tao can do to me is to humiliate me and Benin kingdom. I’ve already endured worse than that. So, I have no shame no more.”