oyatz:


Ouyo= Oyo and nothing else.




How can Ouyo be Ijaw?

the book clearly states that the people in question are also referred to as Jos (not the case of the people from oyo) and Usa.
The people in question are pirates, so look, there is no knowledge in history of any "oyo pirates" nor of any oyo presence near the sea. Check precolonial maps to see where the kingdom of oyo was.
The only people who fit the description are the ijaw. I already stated this. You guys should learn to accept reality and stop borthering me.

BENIN IS ODUDUWA LAND. IT'S A REBELLIOUS LAND BY THE GUARDS OF ODUDUWA PRINCESS. SO WHATEVER BELONGS TO BENIN, BELONGS TO ILE-IFE AND ODUDUWA.

orisa37:
BENIN IS ODUDUWA LAND. IT'S A REBELLIOUS LAND BY THE GUARDS OF ODUDUWA PRINCESS. SO WHATEVER BELONGS TO BENIN, BELONGS TO ILE-IFE AND ODUDUWA.

Thanks for helping me show everybody that you guys are nothing but thieves creating fake history in order to claim our Edo heritage.
Yours is still in brazil where your ancestors were slaves. Your oduduwa superman story is for children, not for adults.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Jg4SaMxMnY

oyatz:
Ouyo= Oyo and nothing else.

How can Ouyo be Ijaw?

It’s Ijaw actually.

Such variant spellings are typical of early foreign renditions of indigenous African words.

I have proven this particular case before on another thread which I will post a link to shortly.

But the fact that is it is Ijaw actuall changes nothing. It only proves that it wasn’t only the Ijebus and the Binis who migrated to Lagos that early for trade purposes.

And I’m a full-blodded Yoruba. And I have (in this same thread) already debunked the lies woven around those statement by the fraudulent bald head you quoted.

nocomment2:
[s]Thanks for helping me show everybody that you guys are nothing but thieves creating fake history in order to claim our Edo heritage.
Yours is still in brazil where your ancestors were slaves. Your oduduwa superman story is for children, not for adults.[/s]

Bald head, your ancestors were sold by the Yorubas. See attached

Stop letting me disgrace Edo people because of your moronic lies.

And your Oba Erediauwa insisted that the first Benin king was given birth to by Jehovah-God Almighty.

Is that true?? LMAO!

BENIN IS ODUDUWA LAND. IT'S A REBELLIOUS LAND BY THE GUARDS OF ODUDUWA PRINCESS.(SEE HISTORY OF ODUDUWA FROM OKE OLODUMARE). SO WHATEVER BELONGS TO BENIN, ORIGINATED FROM ILE-IFE(THE HERITAGE OF LOVE) AND ODUDUWA(THE COVENANT OF OLODUMARE.

TAO11:
It’s Ijaw actually.
Such variant spellings are typical of early foreign renditions of indigenous African words.
I have proven this particular case before on another thread which I will post a link to shortly.
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Correction, mr delusional, I said it in my translation. While your master macof the ignoramus claimed it meant oyo. When someone teaches you something, be grateful, say thank you. don't pretend you got to it on your own while disrespecting the person who graciously gave you a lesson.

BENIN IS ODUDUWA LAND. IT'S A REBELLIOUS LAND BY THE GUARDS OF ODUDUWA PRINCESS.(SEE HISTORY OF ODUDUWA FROM OKE OLODUMARE). SO WHATEVER BELONGS TO BENIN, ORIGINATED FROM ILE-IFE(THE HERITAGE OF LOVE) AND ODUDUWA(THE COVENANT OF OLODUMARE).

MIYETTI ALLAH.

nocomment2:

[s]Correction, mr delusional I said it in my translation. While your master macof the ignoramus claimed it meant oyo. When someone teaches you something, be grateful, say thank you. don't pretend you got to it on your own while disrespecting the person who graciously gave you a lesson.[/s]

Teach me??

You’re a truly a dullard.

It’s high time a posted that screenshot of your bald head and ugly face.

So people can see the sad soul behind the sad desperate comments

For your information, I read it in the material, you bald headed dullard.

Post a screenshot of where I ever said it was Oyo.

You fugly thing.

orisa37:
BENIN IS ODUDUWA LAND. IT'S A REBELLIOUS LAND BY THE GUARDS OF ODUDUWA PRINCESS. SO WHATEVER BELONGS TO BENIN, BELONGS TO ILE-IFE AND ODUDUWA.

Thanks for helping me show everybody that you guys are nothing but thieves creating fake history in order to claim our Edo heritage.
Yours is still in brazil where your ancestors were slaves. Your oduduwa superman story is for children, not for adults.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Jg4SaMxMnY

nocomment2:
Thanks for helping me show everybody that you guys are nothing but thieves creating fake history in order to claim our Edo heritage.
Yours is still in brazil where your ancestors were slaves. Your oduduwa superman story is for children, not for adults.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Jg4SaMxMnY

No, Yorubas enslaved your daddies and mommies and sold them off.

Yes, your daddies and mommies confessed this, they never denied. See attached.

Cc: orisa37

nocomment2:


www.nairaland.com/attachments/12996622_oniofifepriest_jpega627ad8152e5189591312779b1eea23a

First of all, the last time I schooled you on the “Ooni” topic, you were caught pants down lying about why your Obas visit Ile-Ife when they’re newly enthroned.

You claimed your Oba Akenzua II’s visit to Ife was to greet the then Governor of Western Region — the Ooni.

However, I disgraced you by demonstrating that the Ooni wouldn’t be made Governor until three decades later.

And how did you react to the disgrace? The same thing you do when in shame. You deactivated your account and fled in shame.

Moreover, I have already debunked your reta.rded unsubstantiated claim into silence on this same page. Thanks for helping me bring it to this current page.

See my comment below:

The image you attached here traces to only one source as diverse and as versatile as the World-Wide-Web is.

The image traces only to a post from an unverified Facebook page of a certain apparent amateur who, nonetheless, self-certified theirs as a history page.

This singular originator of this image (and Facebook post) — from where our OP has simply lifted word-for-word and image-for-image — was severely roasted in the comment section of their own Facebook post for misinforming the public.

Guess what, this poster (despite the multiple and consistent heavy criticisms in the comment section) dared not name even one source to prove that the individual in the picture was indeed an Ooni, much less substantiate the authenticity of their uncorroborated and sourceless footnote which they’ve edited into the anonymous picture. It was a clear case of propaganda gone wrong.

There is simply no evidence anywhere in all of history pages to back up his mischievous association of the Ooni of Ife with IfA priesthood. Neither could he dare say a word in defense of his apparent mischievous editing as there is no other source for such (apparently false) information.

In fact to be emphatic, there is not a single past Ooni of Ife (from Yorubaland’s photography era) who has ever adorned the circular-style beaded-necklace as shown in the OP’s image.

This singular fact alone instantly debunks our OP’s image (and its accompanying footnote) as a work of dubious and fraudulent propaganda. Lol!

The Ooni of Ife was always and remains the head of all Yoruba kings as I have demonstrated with evidence in my above comment which precedes this one.

Moreover, the attachments below published in the year 1903 shows that the Ooni of Ife had always been the head of all Yoruba monarchs since time immemorial.
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Having debunked that, I like to add that: The oldest known written evidence of “Oba” for your a Benin monarch is in the 1860s.

Whereas, we have seen an 1845 usage of “Oba” for Yoruba monarchs. LMAO!

The link below debunks the lies of the Benin lying machines and exposes the fact that the word “Oba” was borrowed by the Binis from the Yorubas.


https://www.nairaland.com/6234931/why-ikwerres-not-igbo-logic/15#96513655

Cc: orisa37

oyatz:
Ouyo = Oyo and nothing else.

How can Ouyo be Ijaw?

Here is the link as promised.

https://www.nairaland.com/6314603/oni-chief-priest/25#97667577

MBADIWE ROAD IS IGBO OSU NAME. MALU ROAD IS FULANIS. MODAKEKE IN ILE-IFE IS FUTA JALON. YOU CAN GO ON INSINUATING RUBBISH.

MBADIWE ROAD IS IGBO OSU NAME. MALU ROAD IS FULANIS. MODAKEKE IN ILE-IFE IS FUTA JALON. YOU CAN GO ON INSINUATING RUBBISH.

ODUDUWA IS A NIPHILIM FROM OLODUMARE.

NaijaRoyalty:
Lagos is no man's land

"EKO" IS ODUDUWA LAND.

NaijaRoyalty:
Lagos is no man's land

"EKO" IS ODUDUWA LAND. ALSO BENIN IS ODUDUWA LAND.

gregyboy:



I don't believe in Oduduwa existence, Oduduwa was a mere idol worship in ife and never lived as a human being

But that is not concern me am not Yoruba

It doesn't change the fact on ground.

IamWonderful:
Who own the goat and the yam, the goat yam owner

MAROKO KOSOKO WANT GOATS AND YAMS FOR EATING.

nocomment2:
Once again the translation in full:

"Captain Horseley called it Eco, and that is how the yebous refer to it; but it is not their land: it belongs to Benin, whom have named it Korame, you can recognise the Curamo from older Portuguese reports, just like Eko represents the Ichoo from Holland Hydrographs. Long ago Korame was linked to its metropolis by a very narrow piece of land contained between the great Laguna and the sea; but it has been a while since the Yebous have seazed that very narrow piece of land of which the eastern extremity was invaded by ouyo pirates; and Karamé remained isolated at the extremity of the great Laguna, while it continues to receive from Benin it's governor or political chief."

Lol.

Anyways, here goes the bit-by-bit comments after every each bit of translation of the French book, from the last line of page 25:

Translation:
“Captain Horsely referred to it as Eco, and that is how it was designated by the Ijebus •••”

Comment:
(1)(a) The pronoun “it” here (in the context of the passage) obviously does not refer to the modern geographical delineation of present-day Lagos State.

(1)(b) Rather, ”it” here refers to one of the many islands of Lagos — specifically that which is known today as Lagos Island.

(2) The name “Eko” for this island was coined by the Ijebus — and not by the Binis.

Translation:
“••• by the Ijebus, but it is not their domain, it is the Benins’ — who refer to it by the name Korame •••“

Comment:
(1) This shows that although the name “Eko” was coined by the Ijebus; the Binis have been on that specific location before them.

This statement here says absolutely nothing about your false notion that the Binis are the autochthonous owners of the island (or any part of Lagos).

(2) In fact, this same book already debunks such idea on page 25 where it clearly indicates that, the autochthonous ownership of the island [and beyond] belongs to the Aworis — not the Binis, nor the Ijebus.

(3) In sum then, this statement here (rather than speaking of autochthonous ownership) simply speaks of the relative right of the Ijebus or the Benin’s to the specific land which the Ijebus later came to name and occupy.

(4) The autochthonous ownership of all the land (according to this same book on page 25 and 26) has absolutely nothing to do with the Binis.

Translation:
“••• the Benins’ — who refer to it by the name Korame [which is] recognizably the Curamo of the old Portuguese’s accounts, just as Eko represents the Dutch hydrographers’ Ichoo.

Korame and its mainland were linked, in the past, by a sandspit between the great lagoon and the sea. The Ijebus have, however, for a long time seized that sandspit which has also been infiltrated by Ijaw pirates in the East.

Korame thus remained isolated at the end of the great lagoon, and continued to be dependent on Benin for its choice of governor or political leader.”

Comment:
(1) The Binis call the island “Korame” based on the old Portuguese word “Curamo” — not the other way round.

(2) The Ijebus who had coined the word ”Eko” for the island also did that (according to this book) based on the old Dutch word “Ichoo”.

(3) [Trade] activities in Lagos appears to attract more people than Ijebu and Benin immigrants. The Ijaws are also noted to have fallen in.

(4) It is noteworthy that the political leadership alluded to here [“governor or political leader”] was for the Binis, by the Binis, among the Binis, confined to the part of the island leftover for the Binis.

This fact was witnessed by a German trader by the name Adreas J. Ulsheimer who in the year 1603 visited the settlement leftover for the Bini immigrants.

He noted that their settlement was on an island [Lagos island]; that it was fenced; that they ran their own affairs within the walls of their settlement, and that there were other bigger settlements on the island.

In other words, their dependence on their King (back in Benin) for the choice of their own leader must not be confused here with some idea of a King of Lagos.

No, the author of this French book chose his words carefully. He wrote “governor or political leader”. There are French words for “King” or “Monarch” if he had intended that.

Moreover, the kingship of Lagos island hadn’t yet begun as at this period. The Lagos island kingship didn’t begin until at the end of the 1600s/early 1700s.


It is always super easy to refute your dumb lies.

www.nairaland.com/attachments/12996573_16a428fd9d6444b2ad7219a9a44781d3_jpeg_jpega1f09ebdcbab0dd0aebe0dcc2167f806

Cheers.

nocomment2:
Some other precolonial map of the empire

By your daft reasoning, Guinea conquered and owns Benin Kingdom.

Since all early Europeans maps (such as the one attached below) label the stretch of the West African forest & coast (from Senegal to Cameroon) as The Guinea Forest and The Gulf of Guinea respectively.

www.nairaland.com/attachments/12996685_9e6b453ae0b442db8b07845c9091336f_jpeg_jpegdef4740a04ba4037160171c4921cb356

Yes, you know you are dumb. I just had to rub it on your ugly face.

Balogunodua:


Benin own nothing in Lagos... I mean not an inch not even half cup of sand in Lagos... quote me anywhere.

Ask those mumus why binis do not sell land in Lagos and they will become more moronic by looking down like zombies..

TAO11:
Bald mythomaniac.

Riddle me the historical information in the attachments below.

LMAO!

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Very insightful. I will come back to it when I am free.

For a detailed refutation of the modern-day Benin land-grabbing narrative vis-a-via Lagos; please refer time the link below.

NB: This link contains comments (and links and more comments) which all together debunks the Benin narrative as an ignorant fraud.

https://www.nairaland.com/6286709/ijebu-vs-jebusite/1#96593783



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NGpatriot:
Who founded Benin sef? No be Yoruba people?

For the one thousandth time Oba of Lagos himself telling you with his own mouth at 5.45 Minutes "Benin are not the owners of Lagos'


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOsp9VLRFno

gregyboy:


Bro visit my profile and stop further embarrassment


Ile binu was given by the itsekiris

Read it here, how the itsekiris named the edos ilebinu

https://www.nairaland.com/6340975/benin-ife-conspiracy

And who are the Itshekiris?

You just kept digging your own grave.

You can not use fake news to tell Musuliu Obanikoro his ancestral History he even mentioned their Awori Yoruba Clan.

https://www.vanguardngr.com/2017/05/family-not-benin-says-musiliu-obanikoro/amp/

Balogunodua:


Benin own nothing in Lagos... I mean not an inch not even half cup of sand in Lagos... quote me anywhere.

The Oba of Lagos was a Babaloja of the Lagos Slave Markets.

He was a Merchant Prince of the Slave trade not a Conquering Overlord that is why Isale Eko Land still belongs to the Awori Yoruba.

Even the Land on which his Palace is built on was a gift from the Awori

You can not bite the finger that feeds you.

Oga nocomment2 you did a nice job and your works are commendable.


the word "korame" originally have no connection to any foreign word or whatsoever be it curamo or anything


the word korame is originally is absolutely a Benin word the was slightly corrupted just like some others words corrupted in Africa


the word is pronounce " Ekoramen" meaning camp of waters but with time the word was shorten to just Eko


so the word korame is a corrupted version of Ekoramen


in Benin today apart from Lagos Eko, we have different Eko for example Eko okhae meaning bachelors camp etc these Eko are named using circumstances surrounding it.


talking about lagos, it is only a totally pained individual that will take it upon himself to distort history even when it is clear to all that Lagos was part of Benin before the Brits came.

TAO11:


(1) Four years after the hypothesis in the above attachment has been put forward by A. F. C. Ryder; he himself is reported (in a joint publication by Professors Elizabeth Allo Isichei & Peter Uche Isichei) to have abandoned his own hypothesis.

These professors of African history note in their joint work, “A History of Nigeria”, as follows:

“It is noteworthy that Ryder, who questioned the Ife connection and argued the case for the linkages with a northern kingdom, abandoned the line of argument in his later book, Benin and the Europeans.”

Reference:
https://books.google.com/books?id=96ZzAAAAMAAJ&focus=searchwithinvolume&q=northern+kingdom

Elizabeth A. Isichei & Peter Uche Isichei, “A History of Nigeria”, Longman (1983), Volume 2, p. 137.


(2) Moreover, Adam Knobler on page 47 of his “Mythology and Diplomacy in the Age of Exploration” also cites the same subsequent work of Ryder from 1969 in relation the dynastic dependence of Benin on Ife. See attached for Knobler’s statements and reference.

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(3) Furthermore, his 1965 hypothesis (which has yielded no result till date) has been devastatingly debunked by many subsequent research — one of which is by Robin Horton which I have particularly expounded on at the link below.

https://www.nairaland.com/6048841/how-unveil-promote-ancient-igbo/55#93649575

Can we see the book were ryder abadon his view on benin ife connections even the lady who assumed Ryder abandoned his views, couldn't even use Ryder knowledge to draw a proper understanding why she believed the Benin and ife connections existed


I dont blame her anyway.... She juat trying to sell her books by all means




Now outside Ryder own views, we can go manual on finding the relationship between ife and Benin if it indeed exist in the past


Can you show me, a European text which date from 1400 to 1897 suggesting Benin and ife had a connection

Or even archeological evidence

nocomment2


I hope you wont insult your parents for being incapable for providing you proper means to get the book

Ofemannnu:


And who are the Itshekiris?

You just kept digging your own grave.

Did ever say they are not Yoruba, you are too forward bro

nocomment2:


Ok, this mentally ill person above doesn't speak a word of french, I speak french fluently.
I provided a quote from the book and the book itself in order to let people cross examine it.
I provided a caption of where i quoted and I provided the exact page.
That is how to do things honnestly contrary to the guy above who keeps supposedly quoting papers which he doesn't provide in any way or form.

I gave a translation and as I already stated the person above gave a false translation, notice that his current translation is not the one he first gave a long time ago. Now his translation has got much closer to mine. SO which one is true mr man ? Your previous translation or the current one which is much closer to my one and only translation ?

The text and its translation are unmistakable.

Lagos belongs to Benin !

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