TAO11:


First of all, the last time I schooled you on the “Ooni” topic, you were caught pants down lying about why your Obas visit Ile-Ife when they’re newly enthroned.

You claimed your Oba Akenzua II’s visit to Ife was to greet the then Governor of Western Region — the Ooni.

However, I disgraced you by demonstrating that the Ooni wouldn’t be made Governor until three decades later.

And how did you react to the disgrace? The same thing you do when in shame. You deactivated your account and fled in shame.

Moreover, I have already debunked your reta.rded unsubstantiated claim into silence on this same page. Thanks for helping me bring it to this current page.

See my comment below:


Moreover, the attachments below published in the year 1903 shows that the Ooni of Ife had always been the head of all Yoruba monarchs since time immemorial.
www.nairaland.com/attachments/12915204_3bb91d9be2ea45c5afd3f41e88728f3e_jpeg_jpeg645a15f18177fc5fe10c58c7cc98cb9c
www.nairaland.com/attachments/12915205_d21b9942ec6b49db8268dddb52125c5d_jpeg_jpeg5b7a9464bca8be76b7a6cbdd30d76898
www.nairaland.com/attachments/12915206_ea1bb7bbeb514c029bf799998b655ca3_jpeg_jpeg94b9f98f3c978fcbb8823afc65a47cbc

Having debunked that, I like to add that: The oldest known written evidence of “Oba” for your a Benin monarch is in the 1860s.

Whereas, we have seen an 1845 usage of “Oba” for Yoruba monarchs. LMAO!

The link below debunks the lies of the Benin lying machines and exposes the fact that the word “Oba” was borrowed by the Binis from the Yorubas.


https://www.nairaland.com/6234931/why-ikwerres-not-igbo-logic/15#96513655

Cc: orisa37

I am enjoying this.You are a gem.
I hope this is Are...I remember when there were still Ilekeh etc.

gregyboy:
[s]Can we see the book were ryder abadon his view on benin ife connections even the lady who assumed Ryder abandoned his views, couldn't even use Ryder knowledge to draw a proper understanding why she believed the Benin and ife connections existed.I dont blame her anyway.... She juat trying to sell her books by all means.Now outside Ryder own views, we can go manual on finding the relationship between ife and Benin if it indeed exist in the past.Can you show me, a European text which date from 1400 to 1897 suggesting Benin and ife had a connection.Or even archeological evidence[/s]

Tell your parents to buy your the book.

The scholars (Elizabeth A. Isichei, Peter U. Isichei, and Adam Knobler) have already cited the book as my comment shows.

The same book which they all cited is entitled “Benin and the Europeans 1485-1897”, Published (1969), Page 31.

Your parents are responsible for buying you the book. Not those professors who cited it, and neither me who referred to their citation.

Your parents should be able to afford the book. Don’t you agree?

Every other thing you typed up here are your usual meaningless jibbber-jabber which is anyways already debunked in the very comment you quoted.

orisa37:
BENIN IS ODUDUWA LAND. IT'S A REBELLIOUS LAND BY THE GUARDS OF ODUDUWA PRINCESS. SO WHATEVER BELONGS TO BENIN, BELONGS TO ILE-IFE AND ODUDUWA.

Youre high, Benin which Oduduwa land, Oduduwa thst only existed as oracle


Read my screenshot

reyscrub:
Gbagauuun! Oya, let fisticuffs begin now!

Lagosians is it true na you get Lagos?

Beninite let us hear you also

Who get Lagos ooh? Tinubu or Erewa?

NONE OF THEM. TINUBU IS ABAKALIKI. EREWA IS MAMBILA FOREST.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://punchng.com/bini-people-are-strangers-in-lagos-says-awori-group/%3Famp%3D1&ved=2ahUKEwjW6_Lx85_uAhX5QEEAHfp4A-8QFjACegQIAhAG&usg=AOvVaw11Z6vdvMdO_8jSBwT_ZGAV&ampcf=1

TAO11:
Bald head, your ancestors were sold by the Yorubas. See attached

Stop letting me disgrace Edo people because of your moronic lies.

And your Oba Erediauwa insisted that the first Benin king was given birth to by Jehovah-God Almighty.

Is that true?? LMAO!

That raiding is a lie and cannot be proven, stop spreading it, how did we know the raiding really happened because they said it in a book


Provide a book dating from 1800 to 1914 to backup your claims, because the books we find these days are tribally stired

gregyboy:



Etinosa123
Valirex
Etrusen
Samuk
Arefada2

the nocomment2 is bringing out lots of things that those pained individual who never had something until 1900 are trying to cover up

and I so much appreciate that he understand the above foreign language

gregyboy:


Did ever say they are not Yoruba, you are too forward bro

I am not even here to argue with you on your opinion but history has shown that Yorubas especially Ife people founded Benin....Ile Ibinu,which is a Yoruba word for land of annoyance.....because Igodomigodo ruled by Ogisos was a village and long gone.
We should not be doing this if the last Oba of Benin has not tried to rewrite history.
Yorubas and Binis have always had something in common..

Christistruth00:


https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://punchng.com/bini-people-are-strangers-in-lagos-says-awori-group/%3Famp%3D1&ved=2ahUKEwjW6_Lx85_uAhX5QEEAHfp4A-8QFjACegQIAhAG&usg=AOvVaw11Z6vdvMdO_8jSBwT_ZGAV&ampcf=1

Ooh please, yorubas are the strangers

Ofemannnu:


I am not even here to argue with you on your opinion but history has shown that Yorubas especially Ife people founded Benin....Ile Ibinu,which is a Yoruba word for land of annoyance.....because Igodomigodo ruled by Ogisos was a village and long gone.
We should not be doing this if the last Oba of Benin has not tried to rewrite history.
Yorubas and Binis have always had something in common..

Wtf ogiso(sky kings) nigga please, ogiso is a benin myth, oba has always been ruling Benin


Ogiso never existed they were ancient benin mytg told to make the Royal stool divine


Go and enlighten yourself on my profile if you dont mind


Here is a screenshot from a European author who specialty is on Benin history he is a researcher too,
He knows the truth benin-ife was made up during the amalgamation period

gregyboy:



That raiding is a lie and cannot be proven, stop spreading it, how did we know the raiding really happened because they said it in a book


Provide a book dating from 1800 to 1914 to backup your claims, because the books we find these days are tribally stired

Why don't you bring something to counter him instead of this outburst?
The Yorubas have brought forward a lot of facts to back up their claim,why can't you also bring facts?

gregyboy:
That raiding is a lie and cannot be proven, stop spreading it, how did we know the raiding really happened because they said it in a book


Provide a book dating from 1800 to 1914 to backup your claims, because the books we find these days are tribally stired

The survey was conducted by Bradbury in Benin kingdom, among the Edos.

All the Edos groups mentioned in the report confessed to Bradbury that their daddies and mommies were sold into slavery by the Yorubas.

Your Edo ancestors were not embarrassed to confess that to Bradbury.

You (on the other hand) are embarrassed on behalf of your daddies and mommies.

Your embarrassment is understandable.

This too shall pass.

Cc: Ofemannnu

gregyboy:



Ooh please, yorubas are the strangers

From the Portuguese Ambassador in Abuja who said the Portuguese found the Awori Yoruba Settled in Lagos in 1472 the Bini were nowhere in sight

https://www.theportugalnews.com/news/portuguese-founded-lagos-but-did-not-discover-nigeria-diplomat/48420

ATHEISTS CHASED CHRIST TO RESURRECT BY FORCE AND ARE NOW ASKING WHAT IS HE DOING IN HEAVEN.

Etrusen:




the nocomment2 is bringing out lots of things that those pained individual who never had something until 1900 are trying to cover up

and I so much appreciate that he understand the above foreign language

If not TAO11 the bipolar, midnight newspaper with her rotten teeth and ugly cat mark face would have hijacked it to her own meanings


We knows she is depressed and cools off debating boys

BlackfireX:
The thing will pain one ogbomoso imp claiming Lagos



The thing go sweet wise men from the East

From Anambra.

gregyboy:



Wtf ogiso(sky kings) nigga please, ogiso is a benin myth, oba has always been ruling Benin


Ogiso never existed they were ancient benin mytg told to make the Royal stool divine


Go and enlighten yourself on my profile if you dont mind


Here is a screenshot from a European author who specialty is on Benin history he is a researcher too,
He knows the truth benin-ife was made up during the amalgamation period

Are you for real?

You have been posting this excerpt but it does not counter any fact.
The first Benin Oba was Oranmiyan,a Yoruba man.His son was Eweka,the great.

gregyboy:


www.nairaland.com/attachments/12986988_beninife_jpeg6a7a60b85f1e96049f54408a72807f5b

•••Here is a screenshot from a European author who specialty is on Benin history he is a researcher too,
He knows the truth benin-ife was made up during the amalgamation period

First of all, the EUrOpEaN author whose name you’re afraid to mention is A. F. C. Ryder.

He never claimed to make any finding. In his words he only suggested an hypothesis.

Having said that:
(1) Four years after the hypothesis in the above attachment has been put forward by A. F. C. Ryder; he himself is reported (in a joint publication by Professors Elizabeth Allo Isichei & Peter Uche Isichei) to have abandoned his own hypothesis.

These professors of African history note in their joint work, “A History of Nigeria”, as follows:

“It is noteworthy that Ryder, who questioned the Ife connection and argued the case for the linkages with a northern kingdom, abandoned the line of argument in his later book, Benin and the Europeans.”

Reference:
https://books.google.com/books?id=96ZzAAAAMAAJ&focus=searchwithinvolume&q=northern+kingdom

Elizabeth A. Isichei & Peter Uche Isichei, “A History of Nigeria”, Longman (1983), Volume 2, p. 137.


(2) Moreover, Adam Knobler on page 47 of his “Mythology and Diplomacy in the Age of Exploration” also cites the same subsequent work of Ryder from 1969 in relation the dynastic dependence of Benin on Ife. See attached for Knobler’s statements and reference.

www.nairaland.com/attachments/12996763_829e1bb1d32b4775b20b195be826631f_jpeg_jpegceb5968930808900a4f3e681c048fc0e


(3) Furthermore, his 1965 hypothesis (which has yielded no result till date) has been devastatingly debunked by many subsequent research — one of which is by Robin Horton which I have particularly expounded on at the link below.

https://www.nairaland.com/6048841/how-unveil-promote-ancient-igbo/55#93649575

orisa37, Ofemannnu, Christistruth00

Christistruth00:


From the Portuguese Ambassador in Abuja who said the Portuguese found the Awori Yoruba Settled in Lagos in 1472 the Bini were nowhere in sight

https://www.theportugalnews.com/news/portuguese-founded-lagos-but-did-not-discover-nigeria-diplomat/48420

Lol, slave mentality, for you to avoid the benin ownership of lagos, you quickly brought a slave mentality of Portuguese finding Lagos


It is well,


And the Portuguese installed their kings in Lagos and named the street in lagos Portuguese names

Abi are just clowning or you are serious with these news

jneutron4000:
Binin named it Eko and not Igodomigodo. The first Oba of Benin Eweka, his Father is Oranmiyan from Ile Ife. The Royal family Oba of Benin is the only link between Yoruba and Benin and NOT Igodomigodo.

One young APC IGBO LAWYER HAS A STREET NAMED IN HIS NAME IN LAGOS. HE OWNS LAGOS TOO.

TAO11:
First of all, the EUrOpEaN author whose name you’re afraid to mention is A. F. C. Ryder.

He never claimed to make any funding. In his words he only suggested an hypothesis.

Having said that:
(1) Four years after the hypothesis in the above attachment has been put forward by A. F. C. Ryder; he himself is reported (in a joint publication by Professors Elizabeth Allo Isichei & Peter Uche Isichei) to have abandoned his own hypothesis.

These professors of African history note in their joint work, “A History of Nigeria”, as follows:

“It is noteworthy that Ryder, who questioned the Ife connection and argued the case for the linkages with a northern kingdom, abandoned the line of argument in his later book, Benin and the Europeans.”

Reference:
https://books.google.com/books?id=96ZzAAAAMAAJ&focus=searchwithinvolume&q=northern+kingdom

Elizabeth A. Isichei & Peter Uche Isichei, “A History of Nigeria”, Longman (1983), Volume 2, p. 137.


(2) Moreover, Adam Knobler on page 47 of his “Mythology and Diplomacy in the Age of Exploration” also cites the same subsequent work of Ryder from 1969 in relation the dynastic dependence of Benin on Ife. See attached for Knobler’s statements and reference.

www.nairaland.com/attachments/12996763_829e1bb1d32b4775b20b195be826631f_jpeg_jpegceb5968930808900a4f3e681c048fc0e


(3) Furthermore, his 1965 hypothesis (which has yielded no result till date) has been devastatingly debunked by many subsequent research — one of which is by Robin Horton which I have particularly expounded on at the link below.

https://www.nairaland.com/6048841/how-unveil-promote-ancient-igbo/55#93649575

orisa37, Ofemannnu, Christistruth00

Babe i know you are obsessed but Elizabeth A. Isichei & Peter Uche Isichei were just trying to sell their books by saying anything to connect the benin and ife theory dont you see


Ryders on the other hand is not, that's why despite public opinion he opined there Benin-ife connections was a lie


You shouldn't forget he is a researcher, he went ahead to get old European document of Benin history from various Europeans he used in his books and transcribed them


And yet if i ask you for the book ryders abandon his views on the Benin-ife myth you will begin to tell me how your parents are incapable to provide you your needslike you did in the screenshot



Leaving ryders opinion out of all these


Bring a European text from 1400 to 1897 acknowledging benin and ife had a connection

Is that simple

jneutron4000:
Broda tire o, do you actually know that they were speaking Yoruba (Ile ife dialect) inside the palace of the Oba of Benin before they stopped around the 19th century. The two major empire in the Southern Nigeria is the Benin empire and the Oyo empire both came through Oranmiyan a Prince from Ile Ife. The only thing about the Benin empire is that it is a mixture of Yoruba from Ile Ife and the Aborigines of Idu/Igodomigodo. Also there was no name like Yoruba around the 14-15 century until Ajayi Crowther used it to Unify all of us with same Language,
culture, traditions, norms and value system and from the same source Ile Ife, so during Benin did not want to be part of us, even when they were in Western Region, it was Oba Akenzua that was the major force that pushed for the creation of Mid West region.

uncle hold your lies!!!!! may awolowo and his generations continue to rip the nonesense they sowed with his useless promotion of revisionist history. i know for a fact that benin controlled up to ado ekiti

gregyboy:
[s]Babe i know you are obsessed but Elizabeth A. Isichei & Peter Uche Isichei were just trying to sell their books by saying anything to connect the benin and ife theory dont you see

Ryders on the other hand is not, that's why despite public opinion he opined there Benin-ife connections was a lie

You shouldn't forget he is a researcher, he went ahead to get old European document of Benin history from various Europeans he used in his books and transcribed them


And yet if i ask you for the book ryders abandon his views on the Benin-ife myth you will begin to tell me how your parents are incapable to provide you your needslike you did in the screenshot

Leaving ryders opinion out of all these


Bring a European text from 1400 to 1897 acknowledging benin and ife had a connection

Is that simple[/s]

How do you feel after each lie you tell yourself?

Ofemannnu:



Are you for real?

[s]You have been posting this excerpt but it does not counter any fact.
The first Benin Oba was Oranmiyan,a Yoruba man.His son was Eweka,the great[/s].

Can you swear you believe on that history


Can you, because the way you lay support to it makes me think you can swear for it


Becareful what you debate, instead go and carryout a thorough research before you start saying rubbish on the net



Your first research should be the validity between the Benin and ife connections go for old European documents


Start researching from 1400 - 1897 when the empire ended if the European ever witnessed a benin-ife relationship

Then research two are all yorubas originally from ife


Remember European documented benin-owo, benin-ijebu, benin-igala, benin-eko relationships
.
Except the non existed benin-ife which was formed after amalgamation

I am benin, and i guess you're not from ife, so belive it when an indigene is telling his history

gregyboy:



If not TAO11 the bipolar, midnight newspaper with her rotten teeth and ugly cat mark face would have hijacked it to her own meanings


We knows she is depressed and cools off debating boys

the simple problem with her is that she believe her tribe that never had balls until 1900 to be above other tribes

let her continue wallowing under her pain.


when we say

Edorisiagbon
obakhavbaye
obarisiagbon
obahiagbon
obaradesagbon

they are not just words met to claim the entire world but to describe the might of Benin before the country of the EU's

am really happy that over time we always have lots of our children and those who just love Edo history on this forum.

Bundaweber:
uncle hold your lies!!!!! may awolowo and his generations continue to rip the nonesense they sowed with his useless promotion of revisionist history. i know for a fact that benin controlled up to ado ekiti

Well, Awolowo wasn’t yet born when the following contents of the attachments below (showing the proceedings of a meeting in Lagos) were published in the year 1903.

www.nairaland.com/attachments/12915204_3bb91d9be2ea45c5afd3f41e88728f3e_jpeg_jpeg645a15f18177fc5fe10c58c7cc98cb9c
www.nairaland.com/attachments/12915205_d21b9942ec6b49db8268dddb52125c5d_jpeg_jpeg5b7a9464bca8be76b7a6cbdd30d76898
www.nairaland.com/attachments/12915206_ea1bb7bbeb514c029bf799998b655ca3_jpeg_jpeg94b9f98f3c978fcbb8823afc65a47cbc

I really do hope that Awolowo doesn’t have such miraculous power as to have influenced this meeting in favour of an Ife man even before he himself was born and when he himself is from Ijebu rather than from Ife.

Having exposed that, is there anyone else apart from Awolowo that you have in mind?

If so, please name such person and provide details with supporting evidence if possible.

Cheers!

Cc: jneutron4000

TAO11:
How do you feel after each lie you tell yourself?

Are tired of lieing,


You dont know me,

Read my signature

When i am done with this Benin - ife lie, nobody will be referencing it anylonger that is my purpose

You will definitely fade off, with time am debating
You because you prove obsessed and stubborn

And i understand why

gregyboy:
[s]Are tired of lieing,


You dont know me,

Read my signature

When i am done with this Benin - ife lie, nobody will be referencing it anylonger that is my purpose

You will definitely fade off, with time am debating
You because you prove obsessed and stubborn

And i understand why[/s]

I have bigger fish to fry.

All you do is type whatever jibber-jabber that crosses your mind.

If you have an atom of smartness, you would have long realized that we have almost nothing in common.

Now, go and meet your mates and continue enjoying your play with sand. Alele!

www.nairaland.com/attachments/12997403_53390b070d01412e8c437f901701baf8_jpeg_jpeg6552565e48a50d272835ff38f90f9a07

If I change my mind, I will call your husbands for your real quick — viz. @Balogunodua and @Ideadoctor

Etrusen:



the simple problem with her is that she believe her tribe that never had balls until 1900 to be above other tribes

let her continue wallowing under her pain.


when we say

Edorisiagbon
obakhavbaye
obarisiagbon
obahiagbon
obaradesagbon

they are not just words met to claim the entire world but to describe the might of Benin before the country of the EU's

am really happy that over time we always have lots of our children and those who just love Edo history on this forum.

She is obsessed and depressed and she finds sexual festishness debating boys

If she goes to more general thread to do so, she knows the guys will finsh her there


So she hides her festishness in a culture thread already she is obsessed Benin takes joy and pride in subduing her tribal men in n the past

So she defending them, and also fulfilling are sexual fantasy is a win win for her

TAO11:
I have bigger fish to fry.

All you do is type whatever jibber-jabber that crosses your mind.

If you have an atom of smartness, you would have long realized that we have almost nothing in common.

Now, go and meet your mates and continue enjoying your play with sand. Alele!

www.nairaland.com/attachments/12997403_53390b070d01412e8c437f901701baf8_jpeg_jpeg6552565e48a50d272835ff38f90f9a07

If I change my mind, I will call your husbands for your real quick — viz. @Balogunodua and @Ideadoctor

Are you telling how balaogunodua sex chat you online ooh please i need not hear it, keep it to yourself alone please


You're a Clown i will put down the more you keep dragging with me the more i drag you down the drain the more the better for me

You should know when to quit your lies


Benin-ife is a myth you fighting it is an advantage for me to spread it faster

gregyboy:



She is obsessed and depressed and she finds sexual festishness debating boys

If she goes to more general thread to do so, she knows the guys will finsh her there


So she hides her festishness in a culture thread already she is obsessed Benin takes joy and pride in subduing her tribal men in n the past

So she defending them, and also fulfilling are sexual fantasy is a win win for her

Z*



she is just too obsess

gregyboy:
[s]Are you telling how balaogunodua sex chat you online ooh please i need not hear it, keep it to yourself alone please


You're a Clown i will put down the more you keep dragging with me the more i drag you down the drain the more the better for me

You should know when to quit your lies


Benin-ife is a myth you fighting it is an advantage for me to spread it faster[/s]

The mad man is the groom. Lol.

Cc: Ideadoctor, Balogunodua, gomojam