TAO11:
Lol.

Anyways, here goes the bit-by-bit comments after every each bit of translation of the French book, from the last line of page 25:

Translation:
“Captain Horsely referred to it as Eco, and that is how it was designated by the Ijebus •••”

Comment:
(1)(a) The pronoun “it” here (in the context of the passage) obviously does not refer to the modern geographical delineation of present-day Lagos State.

(1)(b) Rather, ”it” here refers to one of the many islands of Lagos — specifically that which is known today as Lagos Island.

(2) The name “Eko” for this island was coined by the Ijebus — and not by the Binis.

Translation:
“••• by the Ijebus, but it is not their domain, it is the Benins’ — who refer to it by the name Korame •••“

Comment:
(1) This shows that although the name “Eko” was coined by the Ijebus; the Binis have been on that specific location before them.

This statement here says absolutely nothing about your false notion that the Binis are the autochthonous owners of the island (or any part of Lagos).

(2) In fact, this same book already debunks such idea on page 25 where it clearly indicates that, the autochthonous ownership of the island [and beyond] belongs to the Aworis — not the Binis, nor the Ijebus.

(3) In sum then, this statement here (rather than speaking of autochthonous ownership) simply speaks of the relative right of the Ijebus or the Benin’s to the specific land which the Ijebus later came to name and occupy.

(4) The autochthonous ownership of all the land (according to this same book on page 25 and 26) has absolutely nothing to do with the Binis.

Translation:
“••• the Benins’ — who refer to it by the name Korame [which is] recognizably the Curamo of the old Portuguese’s accounts, just as Eko represents the Dutch hydrographers’ Ichoo.

Korame and its mainland were linked, in the past, by a sandspit between the great lagoon and the sea. The Ijebus have, however, for a long time seized that sandspit which has also been infiltrated by Ijaw pirates in the East.

Korame thus remained isolated at the end of the great lagoon, and continued to be dependent on Benin for its choice of governor or political leader.”

Comment:
(1) The Binis call the island “Korame” based on the old Portuguese word “Curamo” — not the other way round.

(2) The Ijebus who had coined the word ”Eko” for the island also did that (according to this book) based on the old Dutch word “Ichoo”.

(3) [Trade] activities in Lagos appears to attract more people than Ijebu and Benin immigrants. The Ijaws are also noted to have fallen in.

(4) It is noteworthy that the political leadership alluded to here [“governor or political leader”] was for the Binis, by the Binis, among the Binis, confined to the part of the island leftover for the Binis.

This fact was witnessed by a German trader by the name Adreas J. Ulsheimer who in the year 1603 visited the settlement leftover for the Bini immigrants.

He noted that their settlement was on an island [Lagos island]; that it was fenced; that they ran their own affairs within the walls of their settlement, and that there were other bigger settlements on the island.

In other words, their dependence on their King (back in Benin) for the choice of their own leader must not be confused here with some idea of a King of Lagos.

No, the author of this French book chose his words carefully. He wrote “governor or political leader”. There are French words for “King” or “Monarch” if he had intended that.

Moreover, the kingship of Lagos island hadn’t yet begun as at this period. The Lagos island kingship didn’t begin until at the end of the 1600s/early 1700s.


It is always super easy to refute your dumb lies.

www.nairaland.com/attachments/12996573_16a428fd9d6444b2ad7219a9a44781d3_jpeg_jpega1f09ebdcbab0dd0aebe0dcc2167f806

Cheers.

Etrusen
nocomment2
Etinosa1234
Areafada2
Davidnazee
Samuk
Edeyoung



Korome would be in Benin as eko-name' meaning the camp of waters


Eko= camp
Ame=water
Na=the usual meaning of na

The camp of waters

TAO11:
The mad man is the groom. Lol.

Cc: Ideadoctor, Balogunodua, gomojam

Etrusen
nocomment2
Etinosa1234
Areafada2
Davidnazee
Samuk



Korome would be in Benin as eko-name' meaning the camp of waters


Eko= camp
Ame=water
Na=the usual meaning of na

The camp of waters

Etrusen:
Z*



she is just too obsess

Etrusen
nocomment2
Etinosa1234
Areafada2
Davidnazee
Samuk



Korome would be in Benin as eko-name' meaning the camp of waters


Eko= camp
Ame=water
Na=the usual meaning of na

The camp of waters

Yebosola:



Nothing serious, he is talking about Lagos island ONLY, not Lagos as a whole, get your facts right.

You're absolutely correct.

Most people don't know that Lagos Island is the only part of Lagos that has historic link with the Benins. They often mistake the minute part of the city for the larger part.

Though areas like Agege, Yaba and Oshodi may bear Benin name, but history tells us that they were mere nomenclature that has no concrete historic tie to their foundings.

No sane person will say Ketu, Ikeja, Lekki, Ajah, Epe, Ikorodu, Ojoo, Orile, Badagry, Surulere, Ipaja, Iddo, Ijaye and others belong to Benin.

Simple history tells us that those aforentioned land either belong to the Aworis, Eguns, Egbas and Ijebus who are all descendants of Yoruba.

No one can erase the historical narration that tells how Ologunkutere fought the Benin's imposition and taxation of the Ekoites in the beginning. It was unfortunate that his wife later betrayed him and he killed her, her relics is what is now OJUOLOBUN market in the present Lagos.

Etrusen:
Z*



she is just too obsess

She never see me, be that i will cure it for her

Bundaweber:




uncle hold your lies!!!!! may awolowo and his generations continue to rip the nonesense they sowed with his useless promotion of revisionist history. i know for a fact that benin controlled up to ado ekiti

Benin do not even control Ado Ekiti rather it was those from Ado who migrated to Ekiti and due to their population, Ado was used to describe that part of Ekiti just like Sabo is used to describe place of Market of the Hausa.

Praxis758:



You're absolutely correct.

Most people don't know that Lagos Island is the only part of Lagos the has historic link with the Benins. They often mistake the minute part of the city for the larger part.

Though areas like Agege, Yaba and Oshodi may bear Benin name, but history tells us that they were mere nomenclature that has no concrete historic tie to their foundings.

No same person will say Ketu, Ikeja, Lekki, Ajah, Epe, Ikorodu, Ojoo, Orile, Badagry, Surulere, Ipaja, Iddo, Ijaye and others belong to Benin.

Simple history tells us that those aforentioned land either belong to the Aworis, Eguns, Egbas, who are all descendants of Yoruba.

No one can erase the historical narration that tells how Ologunkutere fought the Benin's imposition and taxation of the Ekoites in the beginning. It was unfortunate that his wife later betrayed him and he killed her, her relics is what is now OJUOLOBUN market in the present Lagos.

Stop telling lies benin stressed over Lagos


The Benin name for Lagos was eko-name (camp of waters)

Agege is an edo name

Agege is (stare) in benin to look

If lekki area is were the oba of lagos reside his stoil and you claim his influence never got there then you must be a grave lier or a grave ignoranmus

Names like oshodin is a benin royal chief title names

Etin osa local government in lagos, in benin Etinosa1234 means strength of god is a typical benin name i quoted a benin moniker who goes by the name


Am here for more info if you have questions

nocomment2:
No he is wrong, oranmiyan is a fictional character like hercules. You guys need to grow up and stop talking like children.

That means the Obaship dynasty in Benin is a fiction if Oranmiyan was a fiction.

Simple history tells us that Oranmiyan was the biological father of Eweka, Yoruba: (Owo mi Ka) ............. English: (My Amateur/My Hands Defeat Him).

TAO11:
For a detailed refutation of the modern-day Benin land-grabbing narrative vis-a-via Lagos; please refer time the link below.

NB: This link contains comments (and links and more comments) which all together debunks the Benin narrative as an ignorant fraud.

https://www.nairaland.com/6286709/ijebu-vs-jebusite/1#96593783



Cc: Christistruth00, Balogunodua, Ideadoctor, gomojam, id2019, djevino, 9jamustchange, BornRicch, Ddaji, J111333, excanny, Mysticwebb, Yebosola, Derrylatei, AustineJohn908, Cashsteady, owobokiri, forgiveness, bularaz, TimeManager, kilonshele101, 8BitGee, Daum, edo3, hicomm17, lionshare, ekesol, Demogorgon, Rumxy, Paganizonda, gwafaeziokwu, NGPatriot

Makes sense.. One keeps learning everyday on this topic..

nocomment2:


You guys just read rubbish online and believe you are Educated.
Once again, there was no igodomigodo and there was no ile-ibinu !

The late Ooni of Ile-Ife, Oba Adesoji Tadenikawo Aderemi, addressed the late Oba Omonoba Ereduwa as 'the son has come to greet his father' when Oba Ereduwa came to pay him homage as the newly crowned Oba of Benin in 1979.

That statement was a reference to the paternal superiority of the Ife/Yoruba history and throne to the Benins. I've not heard of any Benin historian or chief criticising that statement till today.

The narration that the Igodomigodos descended from heaven and has no ancestral tie with Ife was a historical distortion that started in early 1900s as written by one Benin historian.

Comparative history will help you bro. Stop being emotional and sentimental.

gregyboy:


Stop telling lies benin stressed over Lagos


The Benin name for Lagos was eko-name (camp of waters)

Agege is an edo name

Agege is (stare) in benin to look

If lekki area is were the oba of lagos reside his stoil and you claim his influence never got there then you must be a grave lier or a grave ignoranmus

Names like oshodin is a benin royal chief title names

Etin osa local government in lagos, in benin Etinosa1234 means strength of god is a typical benin name i quoted a benin moniker who goes by the name


Am here for more info if you have questions

Agege,Ikeja area and Isheri were all busy paying tribute to the Egba in Abeokuta when the British turned up in 1851.


Were you aware of that fact or were you just making up lies as you went along?
Lekki is Ijebuland

In fact Agege and all the land between Abeokuta and Ebutte Meta on the Lagos Coast was part of Egbaland it was the British that negotiated the Peace agreement that gave the land from Sango Ota to Ebutte Meta back to Awori it was all Egbaland before then .
The Egba took it in the 1842 Ota War

This Bini people and their revisionisms sef, haba we no go rest for una? According to their warped prism of history everybody came from Benin including Jesus Christ himself, yet we don't even have a documented record of where they themselves came from. Our Oba this our Oba that, yet you guys appropriated the Oba title from your Yoruba masters, because una manage get small empire wey no even reach the size and influence of a kingdom we no go drink water keep cup again? Just visit their Benin social groups on Facebook and see all the historically distorting garbage they keep concocting and selling as facts, you will marvel at their delusions...no be only una get empire abeg, just respect yourselves and restrict your delusions to your minority one state in Edo... encroaching any further than your defined space will be looking for serious trouble.

NextD18:
I don't think so, I personally think Lagos state belongs to Tinubu and his household.

He's their god and has the power to decide what will happen and what won't happen.

People of South West should just create out a special new tribe for their god and personal savior Tinubu.

Yes, that’s why your people are trooping to Lagos everyday.

Christistruth00:


Agege and Isheri were busy paying tribute to the Egba in Abeokuta when the British turned up in 1851.


Were you aware of that fact or were you just making up lies as you go along?
Lekki is Ijebuland

In fact Agege and all the land between Abeokuta and Ebutte Meta on the Lagos Coast was part of Egbaland it was the British that negotiated the Peace agreement that gave the land from Sango Ota to Ebutte Meta on the back to Awori it was all Egbaland before then .
The Egba took it the 1842 Ota War

1842 ota war his a big lie, bros atb1842 Benin still controlled lagos, and even if Lagos had internal struggle but paying tribute to egba is a lie all tribute was going to the oba of lagos, who controlled the entire Lagos

The British took over Lagos in 1850,and they had to take the paramount ruler out, the oba of lagos,
The egbas were all undee the oba of lagos rule
So a conquer on the oba of lagos is a conquest to all,

And agege is a benin name

Praxis758:


That means the Obaship dynasty in Benin is a fiction if Oranmiyan was a fiction.

Simple history tells us that Oranmiyan was the biological father of Eweka, Yoruba: (Owo mi Ka) ............. English: (My Amateur/My Hands Defeat Him).

Stop the lies

gregyboy:


Etrusen
nocomment2
Etinosa1234
Areafada2
Davidnazee
Samuk



Korome would be in Benin as eko-name' meaning the camp of waters


Eko= camp
Ame=water
Na=the usual meaning of na

The camp of waters

Tao knows she's lieing when she said the Awori allocated land to Benin people...

To prove this, according to the 1603 account that clearly says that Benin was in military control over Lagos, there was no other known ruler (recorded by either Josua Ulsheimer who was present then or any other historical accounts ) apart from the Oba of Benin as at when Benin had military presence in Lagos

It took 70+ years before the Oba of Benin decided to rule indirectly with the selection of ashipa while collecting tributes and having power over the Lagos dynasty

Now Even if they had allocated land prior to 1603, It can be seen from the eyewitness that Lagos was already conquered

I'm busy with a project. When I'm through, I'll expound further Esp with kosoko/Beecroft issue
Snippet:
Kosoko told English reps that any foreign matters concerning the status of Lagos can be decided by the Oba of Benin and not him... This can be likened to a case when a governor tells a foreigner that he doesn't handle foreign affairs except the president

References:Onabamiro, Sanya. Glimpses Into Nigerian History: Historical Essays . Macmillan Nigeria, 1983. p. 43
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BornRicch gwafaeziokwu

BornRicch:


Guys like you who are speaking truth and fact about history are the reason I'm still hanging around on Nairaland. It feels good to have people like you on this forum; I have learned a lot from you guys.. Those pathological liars won't change it's who they are.

So you're a student of his baseless claims, lies and historical distortions.

It is so amazing why he's the only Benin man writing and defending all these lies. There're many Benin folks on this forum but will never join his baseless claims.

gregyboy:



1842 ota war his a big lie, bros atb1842 Benin still controlled lagos, and even if Lagos had internal struggle but paying tribute to egba is a lie all tribute was going to the oba of lagos, who controlled the entire Lagos

The British took over Lagos in 1850,and they had to take the paramount ruler out, the oba of lagos,
The egbas were all undee the oba of lagos rule
So a conquer on the oba of lagos is a conquest to all,

And agege is a benin name

Ota War of 1842 was a major Yoruba War!!!

Basorun Oluyole and the Ibadan Army were camped at Agege fighting on the side of the Awori against the Egba

The Egbas won and took all the Land between Abeokuta and Ebutte Meta on the Coast of Lagos

The Ibadan Army had to smuggle themselves back home

Look at this boy!

If you want to tell lies restrict it to Isale Eko on Lagos Island!

Praxis758:




The late Ooni of Ile-Ife, Oba Adesoji Tadenikawo Aderemi, addressed the late Oba Omonoba Ereduwa as 'the son has come to greet his father' when Oba Ereduwa came to pay him homage as the newly crowned Oba of Benin in 1979.

That statement was a reference to the paternal superiority of the Ife/Yoruba history and throne to the Benins. I've not heard of any Benin historian or chief criticising that statement till today.

The narration that the Igodomigodos descended from heaven and has no ancestral tie with Ife was a historical distortion that started in early 1900s as written by one Benin historian.

Comparative history will help you bro. Stop being emotional and sentimental.

Oga keep quiet with your half written massage,


what was the response of Oba erediauwa when the ooni of ife said that word

you keep on saying only the part that please you

finish the entire story of what ooni said and what Oba erediauwa said.

gregyboy:



Etrusen
nocomment2
Etinosa1234
Areafada2
Davidnazee
Samuk



Korome would be in Benin as eko-name' meaning the camp of waters


Eko= camp
Ame=water
Na=the usual meaning of na

The camp of waters

that is the meaning of the word

but it's actually pronounce Ekorame not Ekorome

the word can be spoken in full as Eko ogha men.

( Eko/ra / me ) the "a" in ra came in because water is Amen thereby Removing the added "o" of Ekorome because "omen" is not water


the early EU'S that corrupted it to korame thereby removing the E.

Etrusen:




that is the meaning of the word

but it's actually pronounce Ekorame not Ekoname


the early EU'S that corrupted it to korame thereby removing the E .

Its true... If it was n, it would have been ekoname but Benin don't use n in joining two words..

Eko-amen or Ekorame is right

Etinosa1234:


Tao knows she's lieing when she said the Awori allocated land to Benin people...

To prove this, according to the 1603 account that clearly says that Benin was in military control over Lagos, there was no other known ruler (recorded by either Josua Ulsheimer who was present then or any other historical accounts ) apart from the Oba of Benin as at when Benin had military presence in Lagos

It took 70+ years before the Oba of Benin decided to rule indirectly with the selection of ashipa while collecting tributes and having power over the Lagos dynasty

Now Even if they had allocated land prior to 1603, It can be seen from the eyewitness that Lagos was already conquered

I'm busy with a project. When I'm through, I'll expound further Esp with kosoko/Beecroft issue
Snippet:
Kosoko told English reps that any foreign matters concerning the status of Lagos can be decided by the Oba of Benin and not him... This can be likened to a case when a governor tells a foreigner that he doesn't handle foreign affairs except the president

References:Onabamiro, Sanya. Glimpses Into Nigerian History: Historical Essays . Macmillan Nigeria, 1983. p. 43

BornRicch

Why 70yrs after d war,

gregyboy:



Etrusen
nocomment2
Etinosa1234
Areafada2
Davidnazee
Samuk
Korome would be in Benin as eko-name' meaning the camp of waters


Eko= camp
Ame=water
Na=the usual meaning of na

The camp of waters

When I was a kid my old folks called Lagos : Eko, Ekoname, Ekoame, Ekonunuame. We understood all to mean camp.

Camp, watercamp, camp by the waters, camp by the mouth of water, actually meaning vast water body/sea.
It was never in doubt that these were original Benin ways of calling Lagos.
Etrusen
Samuk
Davidnazee
SarahA
Gregyboy
Nocomment2
Etinosa123456

Christistruth00:


Ota War of 1842 was a major Yoruba War!!!

Basorun Oluyole and the Ibadan Army were camped at Agege fighting on the side of the Awori against the Egba

The Egbas won and took all the Land between Abeokuta and Ebutte Meta on the Coast of Lagos

The Ibadan Army had to smuggle themselves back home

Look at this boy!

If you want to tell lies restrict it to Isale Eko on Lagos Island!

Bro those were petty wars, which didnt remove Benin influence from agege and her environs

A war was founght there does not change the fact Benin once had her influence on the land before the war

Benin influence was little in some lagos areas doesnt change the fact benin governed all part of lagos

AreaFada2:

When I was a kid my old folks called Lagos : Eko, Ekoname, Ekoame, Ekonunuame. We understood all to mean camp.

Camp, watercamp, camp by the waters, camp by the mouth of water, actually meaning vast water body/sea.
It was never in doubt that these were original Benin ways of calling Lagos.
Etrusen
Samuk
Davidnazee
SarahA
Gregyboy
Nocomment2
Etinosa123456

absolutely!!!!

AreaFada2:

When I was a kid my old folks called Lagos : Eko, Ekoname, Ekoame, Ekonunuame. We understood all to mean camp.

Camp, watercamp, camp by the waters, camp by the mouth of water, actually meaning vast water body/sea.
It was never in doubt that these were original Benin ways of calling Lagos.
Etrusen
Samuk
Davidnazee
SarahA
Gregyboy
Nocomment2
Etinosa123456

I like the Europeans for their explicit in documentation even the little things an african will overlook the Europeans would document them out


TAO11 hit her head on the rock trying to link the word eko to ijebus she forgets am a smart thinker 2seconds i change d thing for her head

Next life she would run from anybody called greg.. I will inprint my fingers in her heart

Nice one Areafada2
Lagos is fully edo and was once full controlled by benins i mean all part of lagos not just Lagos island like some people are claiming