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Re: Lagos Belongs To Benin - Obanikoro's Grandson Declares by AreaFada2: 12:25pm On Jan 16, 2021 |
gregyboy: The two common names for camp in Benin are Eko and later Ago. Ago became more popular for temporary civilian or farming settlements later. Though both were used militarily before too. Benin is a very dynamic language. Words gain preference over others over time. I like to watch Urhobo and Isoko films for example. There I hear words with clear Benin roots. Some were words still popular with old folks decade ago, all now late. In 25 years many people will believe that "kokodia" is purely only Urhobo word for coconut. Okoro is pure Benin name for princes. Crown prince before investiture as EDAIKEN is called Okoro nokhua (Grand/Great Prince). Today Okoro is Urhobo name for "gentleman'. Some only know Okoro as an Igbo name. 1 Like |
Re: Lagos Belongs To Benin - Obanikoro's Grandson Declares by TAO11(f): 12:27pm On Jan 16, 2021 |
gregyboy:You said I should reply, and yet you cried when I did. Is everything okay with you? 5 Likes 2 Shares
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Re: Lagos Belongs To Benin - Obanikoro's Grandson Declares by Edeyoung: 12:28pm On Jan 16, 2021 |
AreaFada2: Like how ogene is a benin word but now mostly used by urhobos, Even coconut as kokodia is now invin Words change |
Re: Lagos Belongs To Benin - Obanikoro's Grandson Declares by Edeyoung: 12:30pm On Jan 16, 2021 |
TAO11, Balogunodua, Ideadoctor am back i missed alot |
Re: Lagos Belongs To Benin - Obanikoro's Grandson Declares by TAO11(f): 12:33pm On Jan 16, 2021 |
Benin liars are on the loose. Chain them somebody. Notice how they’ve been summersaulting from Ekonanumme, to Konanume, to Tsunami, etc. LMAO! LIARS! Anyways, to break you all’s heart, the book which you all are referring to says something different. (1) It says that the name “Eko” was coined by the Ijebus based on the Dutchs’ “Ichoo” — it didn’t say based on Binis. (2) The same book said the Binis called it ”KoRame” based on the old Portuguese’s CuRamo. (3) The book said NOTHING about where the old Portuguese originally got CuRamo from. (4) But the book does make it clear that the Binis themselves got KoRame from the old Portuguese CuRamo. (5) The book doesn’t say that the Portuguese got CuRamo from the Binis. No, it’s the other way round. Having clarified that, every Yoruba person knows the one and (perhaps) only oriki of Lagos — which is: EkoaRomi sa legbe, legbe. The source of the Portuguese’s “CuRamo” is thus apparent without any fraudulent replacement of ”N” and “R”. You liars should stop tripping, I’m still around. In sum then, “Eko” is an Ijebu PSM [“Phono-semantic matching”] of the Dutch “Ichoo” and the Yoruba “Ereko”. While the Portuguese’s ”Curamo” clearly have its roots in the oriki of Lagos viz. “EkoaRomi”. These are all loanwords into the Benin lexicon, and not the other way round. #BinisAreThieves 12 Likes 6 Shares
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Re: Lagos Belongs To Benin - Obanikoro's Grandson Declares by gregyboy(m): 12:34pm On Jan 16, 2021 |
TAO11: You make me laugh |
Re: Lagos Belongs To Benin - Obanikoro's Grandson Declares by gregyboy(m): 12:36pm On Jan 16, 2021 |
AreaFada2: Yea Bini most times have two words for a particular thing Onisan, ikebbe (ass) Kokodia, ivin (coconut) And so on..... |
Re: Lagos Belongs To Benin - Obanikoro's Grandson Declares by TAO11(f): 12:36pm On Jan 16, 2021 |
Edeyoung:You’re tired of your @gregyboy account? Now that I said that, I already know what you will stupidly do. 7 Likes 1 Share
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Re: Lagos Belongs To Benin - Obanikoro's Grandson Declares by Etinosa1234: 12:53pm On Jan 16, 2021 |
TAO11:Wrong!!!! In the paper, it says it belongs to Benin, whom have named it Korame, you can recognise the Curamo from older Portuguese reports, just like Eko represents the Ichoo from Holland Hydrographs For u to understand better, the letter says that" the land, eko, belongs to Benin... Who named it Korame"... Here the author wrongly spelt the word Ekorame because Korame doesn't mean anything in Benin language..... Also he states that the Benin were the ones who named Eko which was obviously shortened by the Ijebus He goes further to note that the Korame is the same as Curamo in other Portuguese reports just as Eko is Ichoo in Dutch reports... The author precisely says the words which the Europeans use and NOT the origin of the words Don't twist words Rather u should be honest to yourself The book rather refer to the name that both parties call it and not one party gave it a name The word Eco is never said to be coined by the Ijebus... Rather it states that the word Eko and not Eco refers to the Ichoo by the Dutch But If u say that the word Korame was gotten from curamo as seen in older Portuguese reports, it is also logical for u to conclude that Eko was gotten from Ichoo as seen in Dutch Stop the double standards,..it won't favor u Also... If u believe that Korame was gotten from the word curamo(Korame has no meaning in Benin), then it would be best to tell us the meaning of Eco in Yoruba... Not Eko as this are two entirely different words as used in the text Infact, the text expressly says the land "Eko" belongs to the Benin Areafada2, Etrusen, gregyboy, samuk valirex edeyoung BornRicch 4 Likes |
Re: Lagos Belongs To Benin - Obanikoro's Grandson Declares by Unclekayfarms: 1:04pm On Jan 16, 2021 |
gregyboy:My brother find somewhere go sit down Jo. We're talking of Oranmiyan as the first Oba of Benin, you're mentioning his great grandfather. There was nothing like Benin before Oranmiyan enter Igodomigodo town. I'm half Yoruba by the way |
Re: Lagos Belongs To Benin - Obanikoro's Grandson Declares by Etinosa1234: 1:05pm On Jan 16, 2021 |
See translation of the French text Captain Horseley called it eco, and that is how the yebous refer to it; but it is not their land: it belongs to Benin, whom have named it Korame, you can recognise the Curamo from older Portuguese reports, just like Eko represents the Ichoo from Holland Hydrographs. But some one wants to tell us that korame was borrowed but Eco was not 2 Likes
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Re: Lagos Belongs To Benin - Obanikoro's Grandson Declares by gregyboy(m): 1:07pm On Jan 16, 2021 |
Unclekayfarms: No wonder you having difficulties in comprehending it you're not even fully Yoruba |
Re: Lagos Belongs To Benin - Obanikoro's Grandson Declares by gregyboy(m): 1:17pm On Jan 16, 2021 |
Etinosa1234: The ijebus called it a short form of Ekoname, since they couldn't fully pronounce it So they decided to call it Eko a short form of Ekoname 2 Likes |
Re: Lagos Belongs To Benin - Obanikoro's Grandson Declares by Etinosa1234: 1:24pm On Jan 16, 2021 |
gregyboy: That's the logical explanation ... But Tao wants to tell us that the land owned by the Benin and named Korame as mentioned in the text was borrowed from the Portuguese due to being referenced while the name that a complete stranger gave it is the original and unborrowed one even when it was referenced by the Dutch also This Cross dresser is the definition of double standards itself Maybe she wants to tell us that the Yorubas influenced the Dutch... Areafada2, Samuk valirex edeyoung Etrusen 3 Likes
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Re: Lagos Belongs To Benin - Obanikoro's Grandson Declares by Etrusen(m): 1:27pm On Jan 16, 2021 |
Etinosa1234: korame have no meaning in Benin but Ekorame / eko_ame means camp of waters in Benin like I said before each Eko in Benin were given the name because of the circumstances surrounding it e.g like what gregyboy said Ekosodin meaning camp of the Osodin of Benin, eko _ okhae meaning bachelors camp etc the korame is a corrupted benin word just like Sakponba which was also corrupted from Sokponba. the corruption always come in as a result of the inability for these foreigner to speak the word for example the first E in Ekorame is obvious when spoken by an indigene but always silent when spoken by foreigners thereby making it sound as Korame 2 Likes |
Re: Lagos Belongs To Benin - Obanikoro's Grandson Declares by Etrusen(m): 1:32pm On Jan 16, 2021 |
Etinosa1234: let her tell us the meaning of korame in dutch or Portuguese definitely you expect someone to name a place with a word that have no meaning in his tribe 3 Likes |
Re: Lagos Belongs To Benin - Obanikoro's Grandson Declares by Etinosa1234: 1:33pm On Jan 16, 2021 |
Etrusen: In fact I've seen strangers pronounce ekosodin as kosodin.... The e there is pronounced like an "a" and is Silent .. Thanks boss 2 Likes |
Re: Lagos Belongs To Benin - Obanikoro's Grandson Declares by Etrusen(m): 1:38pm On Jan 16, 2021 |
Etinosa1234: Okpa ma khin!! 1 Like |
Re: Lagos Belongs To Benin - Obanikoro's Grandson Declares by Etinosa1234: 1:39pm On Jan 16, 2021 |
Etrusen: Don't be surprised if she comes up with 1786 work that says Benin used the word Korame Just like I'm waiting for a work that says Benin chiefs said ikeji orisha in 1893 Its quite hilarious that the work she intends using to say Eko was a borrowed words has also shown to debunk her claims 2 Likes |
Re: Lagos Belongs To Benin - Obanikoro's Grandson Declares by Christistruth00: 1:43pm On Jan 16, 2021 |
Etinosa1234: For the one thousandth time Oba of Lagos himself telling you with his own mouth at 5.45 Minutes "Benin are not the owners of Lagos' https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOsp9VLRFno |
Re: Lagos Belongs To Benin - Obanikoro's Grandson Declares by Etinosa1234: 1:46pm On Jan 16, 2021 |
Christistruth00: Before that time, did the Oba of Lagos say or not say that he was a descendant of the oba of Benin 2 Likes
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Re: Lagos Belongs To Benin - Obanikoro's Grandson Declares by Christistruth00: 1:48pm On Jan 16, 2021 |
Etinosa1234: For the one thousandth time Oba of Lagos himself telling you with his own mouth at 5.45 Minutes "Benin are not the owners of Lagos' https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOsp9VLRFno Get over it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
Re: Lagos Belongs To Benin - Obanikoro's Grandson Declares by Etinosa1234: 1:52pm On Jan 16, 2021 |
Christistruth00: Finally u let that French material rest as u saw it doesn't help ur cause
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Re: Lagos Belongs To Benin - Obanikoro's Grandson Declares by Christistruth00: 1:54pm On Jan 16, 2021 |
Etinosa1234: It already Proved Ijebu took over metropolitan Lagos and drop Benin to an Isolated tip of Lagos Island. They are still there in Eastern Lagos today!!!!! |
Re: Lagos Belongs To Benin - Obanikoro's Grandson Declares by gregyboy(m): 1:57pm On Jan 16, 2021 |
Christistruth00: Bemin ruled over the entire agos, over awori, ijebus and egba people in Lagos |
Re: Lagos Belongs To Benin - Obanikoro's Grandson Declares by Christistruth00: 2:01pm On Jan 16, 2021 |
gregyboy: Do not deviate, Ile Ife ruled over all Benin!!!!! For the one thousandth time Oba of Lagos himself telling you with his own mouth at 5.45 Minutes "Benin are not the owners of Lagos' https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOsp9VLRFno Lagos is God's Gift to Yorubas Get over it !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Go and fight over Ownership of Benin before Eshan and Ijaw take it Go and rescue your Women being trafficked to Italy by Cult gangs Egba owned all the Land between Abeokuta and Ebutte Meta They took it over in the Ota War of 1842 The British negotiated the Peace agreement that gave the land from Sango Ota to Ebutte Meta back to Awori Before then all that Area was Egbaland from Ebutte Meta on the Lagos Coast all the way to Abeokuta The last book reference is "Religious encounters and the Making of the Yoruba"
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Re: Lagos Belongs To Benin - Obanikoro's Grandson Declares by AreaFada2: 2:09pm On Jan 16, 2021 |
gregyboy:What of Ekosodin, near UNIBEN? Ekoname is not difficult to pronounce, not even by Chinese. I know so places that begin with Ago in Benin area abd people shorten it to Ago. Like Ago-Ebo. Whether Ijebu also shortened it or not doesn't mean that Benin didn't already shorten it as Eko. Korame written by the French probably means that there were many Edo speaking people people in 1603 already that fully pronounced it as Ekonunuame or Ekaeme so that it was heard normally on daily basis. |
Re: Lagos Belongs To Benin - Obanikoro's Grandson Declares by Ideadoctor(m): 2:13pm On Jan 16, 2021 |
Edeyoung:back to be beaten blue black, dumb gregyboy |
Re: Lagos Belongs To Benin - Obanikoro's Grandson Declares by TAO11(f): 2:19pm On Jan 16, 2021 |
Etinosa1234:First of all, it’s a book. Not a paper, nor a letter. This is addressed in details at the tail end. Carrying on. Also he states that the Benin were the ones who named Eko which was obviously shortened by the Ijebus[/color]Lol, can you please direct me to where the book said: “the Benin were the ones who named Eko”. You actually wish it said that. Don’t you? Lol. He goes further to note that the Korame is the same as Curamo in other Portuguese reports just as Eko is Ichoo in Dutch reports...Lol. No the book didn’t say “other Portuguese account”. Instead, it says: “OLDER Portuguese account”. In other words — the Portuguese “Curamo” is older in comparison to the Binis “Korame”. It thus becomes clear which is based on which. The word Eco is never said to be coined by the Ijebus... Rather it states that the word Eko and not Eco refers to the Ichoo by the DutchI’m not sure what book you’ve been consulting, because what you denied here is precisely what the book says. Calm down, okay? The French: “le captain Horseley nous l’a appelée Eco*, et c’est ainsi que la désignent les Ijebus” Basic Word-by-Word Translation: “Captain Horseley referred to it as Eco, and that is how it was designated by the Ijebus” Moreover, this name-designation (aka coinage) was not from thin air (and I never claimed it was) as will be seen again shortly. But If u say that the word Korame was gotten from curamo as seen in older Portuguese reports•••There is nothing here like if I say. The book already makes it clear that the Binis’ Korame is recognizably the OLDER Portuguese “Curamo”. The book thus makes it clear that the Portuguese “Curamo” is the older. An older word cannot possibly have its root in a relatively younger word. Can it? ••• No be juju be that? LMAO! •••, it is also logical for u to conclude that Eko was gotten from Ichoo as seen in Dutch[/b] Stop the double standards,..it won't favor uYour advice is for you actually — please take it. Anyways, I already made it clear (from my comment which you’re quoting here) that the Ijebus’ designation “Eko” is NOT from thin air. I admitted plainly that it was based on the Dutch “Ichoo”. See the embedded screenshot. www.nairaland.com/attachments/12998822_5c1947d6c1d3417e88f60e1bde3d6a72_jpeg_jpeg33a88d586812fcccc506190e4c8eb96b So, I’m not sure what double standards you’re referring to. Lol. Also... If u believe that Korame was gotten from the word curamo (Korame has no meaning in Benin), •••That is the very point I’ve been making. Thank you! It doesn’t have to have any meaning from the Benin language — because it was never an indigenous Benin word to start with. Instead, it corresponds (according to this book) to an older foreign term, viz. the Portuguese “Curamo” — which itself is apparently based on another older foreign term. ••• then it would be best to tell us the meaning of Eco in Yoruba... Not Eko as this are two entirely different words as used in the text“Eco” of this text is one and the same thing as “Eko”. It will only be dumb, foolish, and inane to plead otherwise or pretend otherwise. According to the text, Captain Horseley wrote down “Eco” which was from the Ijebus’ designation. Basic common sense informs any stable mind that those Ijebus never spelt the word for him, but they rather pronounced it. He (just like anyone else) then has the liberty to transcribe the sound /k/ either with the letter “c” or with the letter “k” — both of which this book have used interchangeably. In fact, the text expressly says the land "Eko" belongs to the BeninYes, if you rip out this short phrase away from the context of the immediate passage in which it is found, the following would be the resulting self-debunking absurd conclusion you would arrive at: That the Binis came to Lagos for the first time, and they took ownership of their space on the island after they had negotiated and discussed with the grasses, the stones and the lagoon, etc (going by the Lagos account); or after that had engaged in warfare with the grasses, the stones, and the lagoon, etc. (going by the Benin account). But if you place the phrase back into the surrounding passage in which it was found, then you would realize from the context of its surrounding text that the phrase says absolutely nothing about autochthonous ownership. Rather, you would quickly realize that the phrase relates to the Benin’s relative right to a particular space on the island over the Ijebus who met them at the space — both of whom are not autochthonous owner of an inch of the land, but rather both immigrants. —————————— In sum, it becomes clear from this material that: (1) “Eko” was coined by the Ijebus not from thin air but based (at least partly) on the Dutch “Ichoo”. (2) The Binis “Korame” is based on an older term, viz. the Portuguese “Curamo”. Peace! Cc: Ideadoctor, gomojam, Balogunodua, babtoundey 6 Likes 3 Shares |
Re: Lagos Belongs To Benin - Obanikoro's Grandson Declares by Balogunodua(m): 2:19pm On Jan 16, 2021 |
Edeyoung:greyboy in the beat... 1 Like |
Re: Lagos Belongs To Benin - Obanikoro's Grandson Declares by Etinosa1234: 2:26pm On Jan 16, 2021 |
Samuk valirex gregyboy Etrusen edeyoung areafada2 U know the major similarity between Ulsheimer account and that French material even though they are 200 years apart? They both agree that the land/town named Eko belongs to Benin... One stated that the land was ruled by military generals, while the other stated that they received their governor and political leaders from Benin This excerpt from the 2nd account was independently corroborated by many instances. Example is Oba Akitoye in his letter to the British that the Benin had the undisputed right to choose the next king of lagos(picture below) Now this land controlled by Benin had a ruler installed by her(Ashipa)... So wherever the jurisdiction of the oba of Lagos reaches, so is the Benin ownership of the land Note that one eyewitness account(Ulsheimer) noted that the land was controlled by soldiers and not by traders as the cross dresser desperately tries to prove despite not having eyewitness accounts Lets be reminded also that neither the eyewitness account or anyother account present from 1603 to the appointment of ashipa in late 1600s makes mention of no other independent ruler in the land apart from Oba of Benin... This more than explain that the land Lago or Eko was militarily controlled by Benin Would have said more but I'm behind time . Cheers 2 Likes
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Re: Lagos Belongs To Benin - Obanikoro's Grandson Declares by Balogunodua(m): 2:28pm On Jan 16, 2021 |
gregyboy: Benin never received ruled Lagos not to talk of Ijebu or Egba...even your Oba would pee in his pant at the sight of an Ijebu.... 2 Likes |
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