jabolo:


I'm surprised at this lack of ambition. These hurdles are not insurmountable. There are a million moving parts in a typical vehicle for which lubrication has been cracked.

What's the difference between this and the larger sliding doors for terraces?

Anyone else interested in running with this as a business, please drop your details here.

Especially if produced as a retrofitted replacement for those death traps we have seemingly made the norm, you will have a ready market here - starting with mine.

This ain’t new here na.

As most people will say “Brabus must have seen it, used it or know about it...” I’ve used it on many occasion.

Well we discussed this as one of the options in 2014/15 when some contemporary lovers are considering having large windows without the ugly naija burglar proofs. Other options explored/discussed includes 3M Security windows Film and some other indigenous solutions.

Most of these solutions are very much around. Though not cheap. They’re not alien to us.

One4me:




But l understand that you cannot REGISTER the "RED COPY Survey" at the Land Registry, if another individual has registered a previous Red Copy Survey for the same land (same geo-cordinates), with the and Registry.
Apart from the first registered Survey at the registry, any other SURVEY will not be registered for the same land, at the Land Registry, and such survey is just a dimension drawings.

In essence, a properly registered Survey at the Land Registry, is PART of Title Document.
It is infact, the first Title Document, upon which other Title Docs will flow from.

You're mixing things up.

You register title at Land registry and not Survey plan.

Survey plan is always registered at the office of the Surveyor General, which is not the same as Land registry.

Survey Division is a ministry on its own, just as Justice, Education, Lands Bureau, Environment, Information, Physical Planning etc All these ministries can work in relation with one another, but are 100% independent


Registering your survey plan doesn't authenticate ownership, but a prerequisite to having your title registered at the land registry.

Taking a registered Survey plan to the land registry doesn't guarantee that the registrar of titles would register your deed of Assignment, as there are many hurdles to pass apart from survey plan.

10 people can have Survey plans drawn in their names on a single land.

It's a deed of Assignment that gets registered at Land registry not Survey plan.

The registrar of titles just need to sight the survey plan as an attachment to the deed, having cleared same with the office of the Surveyor General.

At the Federal Land Registry, they don't even pay much attention to survey plan, as much as they do with the deed of Assignment itself.

Once again, a Survey plan doesn't in any way certify you as the owner of any land.

A wife can tell a land surveyor to draw a plan in her name, get it registered and the husband can also do same on the same land 6 months after. Hence, Survey plan is not a deed of Assignment, neither is it a Certificate of Occupancy to confirm land ownership.


There are lots of articles on the internet by a lot of wannabes. Some are correct, some are misleading.

It's best one listen to professionals that do these things almost every day of the month for proper guidance.

erico2k2:

always include cost for double windows I'm not a welder. Just saw the concept and decided to share.

I'm not a welder, saw it and decided to share

jabolo:


I'm surprised at this lack of ambition. These hurdles are not insurmountable. There are a million moving parts in a typical vehicle for which lubrication has been cracked.

What's the difference between this and the larger sliding doors for terraces?

Anyone else interested in running with this as a business, please drop your details here.

Especially if produced as a retrofitted replacement for those death traps we have seemingly made the norm, you will have a ready market here - starting with mine.

you call it lack of ambition. I spent five years with my boss and not for once did anyone request for this. The people who can do this type of work are old welders. There are alternatives to this

michlins:
you call it lack of ambition. I spent five years with my boss and not for once did anyone request for this. The people who can do this type of work are old welders. There are alternatives to this

it's not like you'd have more than 1 of this in a building. It's just for emergency. I know emergency exits in public buildings that haven't been used for decades

davodyguy:

You're mixing things up.

You register title at Land registry and not Survey plan.

Survey plan is always registered at the office of the Surveyor General, which is not the same as Land registry.

Survey Division is a ministry on its own, just as Justice, Education, Lands Bureau, Environment, Information, Physical Planning etc All these ministries can work in relation with one another, but are 100% independent


Registering your survey plan doesn't authenticate ownership, but a prerequisite to having your title registered at the land registry.

Taking a registered Survey plan to the land registry doesn't guarantee that the registrar of titles would register your deed of Assignment, as there are many hurdles to pass apart from survey plan.

10 people can have Survey plans drawn in their names on a single land.

It's a deed of Assignment that gets registered at Land registry not Survey plan.

The registrar of titles just need to sight the survey plan as an attachment to the deed, having cleared same with the office of the Surveyor General.

At the Federal Land Registry, they don't even pay much attention to survey plan, as much as they do with the deed of Assignment itself.

Once again, a Survey plan doesn't in any way certify you as the owner of any land.

A wife can tell a land surveyor to draw a plan in her name, get it registered and the husband can also do same on the same land 6 months after. Hence, Survey plan is not a deed of Assignment, neither is it a Certificate of Occupancy to confirm land ownership.


There are lots of articles on the internet by a lot of wannabes. Some are correct, some are misleading.

It's best one listen to professionals that do these things almost every day of the month for proper guidance.

Wahala dey o.

So what is the purpose of a survey plan if it is irrelevant in claims of ownership? I have done survey of over 1 million Naira; what's the purpose of that?

The survey plan attached is from omonilelawyer.com available online. I think he used to be one of the moderators of this forum if I'm not wrong. I say this for data protection and copyright reasons.

Now look at the heading of the plan, what is the caption?

Plan shewing........ belonging to....

In law what is the term: belonging to?

If this is not part of claim of ownership, abeg wetin I pay over one million for?

Deed of Assignment is practically useless without an accompanying survey plan spelling out the coordinates. Or does Deed of Assignment in itself includes the coordinates?

When my over one million Naira was being collected, I was told by my team that the survey plan perfects the Deed of Assignment. So this people don play me wayo.

No need to do survey then. No good news for land surveyors because (God forbid) na hungry dey blow be that.

diordaves:


Wahala dey o.

So what is the purpose of a survey plan if it is irrelevant in claims of ownership? I have done survey of over 1 million Naira; what's the purpose of that?

The survey plan attached is from omonilelawyer.com available online. I think he used to be one of the moderators of this forum if I'm not wrong. I say this for data protection and copyright reasons.

Now look at the heading of the plan, what is the caption?

Plan shewing........ belonging to....

In law what is the term: belonging to?

If this is not part of claim of ownership, abeg wetin I pay over one million for?

Deed of Assignment is practically useless without an accompanying survey plan spelling out the coordinates. Or does Deed of Assignment in itself includes the coordinates?

When my over one million Naira was being collected, I was told by my team that the survey plan perfects the Deed of Assignment. So this people don play me wayo.

No need to do survey then. No good news for land surveyors because (God forbid) na hungry dey blow be that.

@davodguy can you please elaborate on what you said a little more. I do believe they all work hand to hand, is it possible to get land information without having the survey of the location.Shouldn’t that be the first clearance to move forward to register the red copy and lodge a survey, or is there any other way to get the land registered without land information clearance?. This is another eye-opening situation to me. Another abracadabra, when we think we see it all. There are a lot we never see oooo

n3xt:


Pls kindly upload the design.

The guy might not like making much profit from his client or probably have almost everything needed to do the job at hand.

@michilin

Oh so its even possible!!!
And I was arguing that is too cheap to be real.

Here are the two choices he is considering with little modifications

ceelog:

@michilin

Oh so its even possible!!!
And I was arguing that is too cheap to be real.

Here are the two choices he is considering with little modifications

hmmmm. Well I don't know about others but I can't do any of this job for less than #35,000 as at this morning. Maybe last year, I might attempt to do the second one but only achievable if I decide to make them myself.


But I don't know sha, he might have left over materials or something

erico2k2:
Milano and classic
roofers what's the advantages and disadvantages

Just design

kopell:
@davodguy can you please elaborate on what you said a little more. I do believe they all work hand to hand, is it possible to get land information without having the survey of the location.Shouldn’t that be the first clearance to move forward to register the red copy and lodge a survey, or is there any other way to get the land registered without land information clearance?. This is another eye-opening situation to me. Another abracadabra, when we think we see it all. There are a lot we never see oooo

I'll do a detailed explanation soon.

ceelog:

@michilin

Oh so its even possible!!!
And I was arguing that is too cheap to be real.

Here are the two choices he is considering with little modifications

When I’m in a situation like this, the condition for doing the job will be to do an exact sample of what mine will look like for the amount paid.

35k is even small in my view. All the small attachments in pic 1 will cost him a lot but if he’s the blacksmith or someone who just got off a federal govt project, it’s not impossible. But even at that, I will never pay less for something I’m sure it cost more elsewhere.

At this point, an exact image of what he intends to produce at N28k will be fine.

_______

May I ask how close are you and your friend? Nothing serious though but I’ve had an experience where a mother asked his son’s contractor to send his son what he’d like to see and give him low price so that he can send money home.
Her reason was that he (the son) won’t do anything if she didn’t do it that way and the project has been ongoing for 8 years.

________

That was a great design by the way.

BiigTee:
I and oga rotech are going to the site on Thursday! He is the contractor I am using! Can u send me ur contact number so i can get back to you on Thursday... By then i should be able to tell you when exactly it would be needed..

Thanks BiigTee and others.
Work started yesterday.

Materials procurement done.

n3xt:


According to Kobocity Cement Concrete Calculator II, you will need 1 bag of cement to achieve M15 1:2:4 Grade of Concrete but I'd suggest you give 2 bags.

Also, 5 tons is tooooooooooo much for the job. 4 wheelbarrow load max should be fine.

Merci monsieur

Thanks for trying to reach out . I hv sorted it out

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diordaves:


Wahala dey o.

So what is the purpose of a survey plan if it is irrelevant in claims of ownership? I have done survey of over 1 million Naira; what's the purpose of that?

Survey Plan is very very relevant and one of the prerequisite in registering a title at the land Registry.

But is the survey plan it self a title that you can own and feel comfortable as the real owner of the land? The Answer is Capital No

You could have spent N5,000,000 on a survey plan and the land may not be yours at the end of the day

diordaves:

Now look at the heading of the plan, what is the caption?

Plan shewing........ belonging to....

In law what is the term: belonging to?

If this is not part of claim of ownership, abeg wetin I pay over one million for?

As regard the highlighted text, that is the normal 'language' by land surveyor to say 'belonging to' because you are the one that called the land surveyor and told him the land belongs to you. Hence, he will say what you told him and not necessarily because the land belongs to you.

Mind you, the same plan you attached here, can have your name on it and it will still show 'belonging to' That's why I said 10 survey plans can be drawn on a single land in the name of 10 different people and it would still have 'belonging to' on each of them.

diordaves:

Deed of Assignment is practically useless without an accompanying survey plan spelling out the coordinates. Or does Deed of Assignment in itself includes the coordinates?

The highlighted text is false at least at the Federal Land Registry in Ikoyi.

I registered 3 tiles all Deed of Assignment between Party A and Party B and I did not include a single Survey Plan. Fashola is the Minister of Works and Housing. Hence empowered by Law to sign all Deed of Assignment at the Federal level. Once he signs at the last page, that part is what would be attached to the Deed before the Registrar in Ikoyi would register the title for you.

In Lagos and in Ogun State, they pay more attention to survey plan than they do in Oyo State and at the federal level.

diordaves:

When my over one million Naira was being collected, I was told by my team that the survey plan perfects the Deed of Assignment. So this people don play me wayo.

The survey plan does not 'perfects the Deed of Assignment' but a prerequisite to having your deed of assignment registered.
Here is how it works in Lagos and why a registered Survey plan is important

1. Upon 'acquiring' a land in Lagos, the first thing to do is to draw up a survey plan.
2. The survey plan shows the coordinates, size of land, location, details of the land surveyor and acclaimed owner.
3. The plan is what your Lawyer needs to prepare the deed of assignment that would be executed between you and the vendor
NOTE
Items 1,2,3 above still doesn't make you the owner cause the Vendor that sold to you may not be the legal owner of that land.
4. After item 3, give the survey plan to your land surveyor to get it registered via NIS and Office of the Surveyor General
5. After registering the plan, attach to the deed of Assignment and take it to the lands registry
6. Land Registry would not start any process without first sending the survey plan back to the Office of the Surveyor General to obtain Land Information and confirm that the land is properly positioned and not under Government acquisition.
7. If your Survey plan passes item 6, it would be sent back to lands to start the process of Registering the Deed of Assignment.
8. This is when the real work starts. Land Registry will now start to dig deep into the root of title. Who sold it to you? Is there a dispute somewhere? Has the previous owner mortgaged the property? What is the position of the court? What is the position of LASG on it?
NOTE
Item 8 is the reason I said your Survey Plan does not make you the legal/lawful owner of the land. Your survey may pass at the Office of the Surveyor General and still fail at the land Registry.

If a Fraud is noticed at Lands Bureau, all the amount spent on acquiring the land or doing Survey has entered voice mail. The registrar of titles will never register that Deed of assignment for you. Hence, the registered survey plan is not more than a mere paper.

Survey plan is very crucial in the process of registering your Deed of Assignment, but that plan on it's own does not make you the owner of the land.

Take for instance, A man dies and willed his land to his 5 Children. The eldest (solely) among them decides to sell the land to you and you have a survey plan drawn. Of course you may pass at the office of the surveyor General and if possible pass at the Lands Bureau, obtain your consent or C of O. Just one thing will nullify your title and that is the day the other 4 children go to court that the land was sold to you without their consent, the court would set aside the transaction and issue an order that the Lagos State Governor revoke the C of O immediately and it would be done.
If this happen, the survey plan becomes useless.

What we always emphasize is root of title first.
You can buy land from the richest man in Nigeria who claims he owns the land and then spend N1 billion to do survey plan and have it Registered. These process still doesn't make you the owner of the land.

diordaves:

No need to do survey then. No good news for land surveyors because (God forbid) na hungry dey blow be that.

Once you carefully read my post above, you would know better the order of preference/importance

davodyguy:

Survey Plan is very very relevant and one of the prerequisite in registering a title at the land Registry.

But is the survey plan it self a title that you can own and feel comfortable as the real owner of the land? The Answer is Capital No

You could have spent N5,000,000 on a survey plan and the land may not be yours at the end of the day



As regard the highlighted text, that is the normal 'language' by land surveyor to say 'belonging to' because you are the one that called the land surveyor and told him the land belongs to you. Hence, he will say what you told him and not necessarily because the land belongs to you.

Mind you, the same plan you attached here, can have your name on it and it will still show 'belonging to' That's why I said 10 survey plans can be drawn on a single land in the name of 10 different people and it would still have 'belonging to' on each of them.



The highlighted text is false at least at the Federal Land Registry in Ikoyi.

I registered 3 tiles all Deed of Assignment between Party A and Party B and I did not include a single Survey Plan. Fashola is the Minister of Works and Housing. Hence empowered by Law to sign all Deed of Assignment at the Federal level. Once he signs at the last page, that part is what would be attached to the Deed before the Registrar in Ikoyi would register the title for you.

In Lagos and in Ogun State, they pay more attention to survey plan than they do in Oyo State and at the federal level.



The survey plan does not 'perfects the Deed of Assignment' but a prerequisite to having your deed of assignment registered.
Here is how it works in Lagos and why a registered Survey plan is important

1. Upon 'acquiring' a land in Lagos, the first thing to do is to draw up a survey plan.
2. The survey plan shows the coordinates, size of land, location, details of the land surveyor and acclaimed owner.
3. The plan is what your Lawyer needs to prepare the deed of assignment that would be executed between you and the vendor
NOTE
Items 1,2,3 above still doesn't make you the owner cause the Vendor that sold to you may not be the legal owner of that land.
4. After item 3, give the survey plan to your land surveyor to get it registered via NIS and Office of the Surveyor General
5. After registering the plan, attach to the deed of Assignment and take it to the lands registry
6. Land Registry would not start any process without first sending the survey plan back to the Office of the Surveyor General to obtain Land Information and confirm that the land is properly positioned and not under Government acquisition.
7. If your Survey plan passes item 6, it would be sent back to lands to start the process of Registering the Deed of Assignment.
8. This is when the real work starts. Land Registry will now start to dig deep into the root of title. Who sold it to you? Is there a dispute somewhere? Has the previous owner mortgaged the property? What is the position of the court? What is the position of LASG on it?
NOTE
Item 8 is the reason I said your Survey Plan does not make you the legal/lawful owner of the land. Your survey may pass at the Office of the Surveyor General and still fail at the land Registry.

If a Fraud is noticed at Lands Bureau, all the amount spent on acquiring the land or doing Survey has entered voice mail. The registrar of titles will never register that Deed of assignment for you. Hence, the registered survey plan is not more than a mere paper.

Survey plan is very crucial in the process of registering your Deed of Assignment, but that plan on it's own does not make you the owner of the land.

Take for instance, A man dies and willed his land to his 5 Children. The eldest (solely) among them decides to sell the land to you and you have a survey plan drawn. Of course you may pass at the office of the surveyor General and if possible pass at the Lands Bureau, obtain your consent or C of O. Just one thing will nullify your title and that is the day the other 4 children go to court that the land was sold to you without their consent, the court would set aside the transaction and issue an order that the Lagos State Governor revoke the C of O immediately and it would be done.
If this happen, the survey plan becomes useless.

What we always emphasize is root of title first.
You can buy land from the richest man in Nigeria who claims he owns the land and then spend N1 billion to do survey plan and have it Registered. These process still doesn't make you the owner of the land.



Once you carefully read my post above, you would know better the order of preference/importance

Wow! Please do I have your permission to share this on other reputable platforms.

jabolo:


I'm surprised at this lack of ambition. These hurdles are not insurmountable. There are a million moving parts in a typical vehicle for which lubrication has been cracked.

What's the difference between this and the larger sliding doors for terraces?

Anyone else interested in running with this as a business, please drop your details here.

Especially if produced as a retrofitted replacement for those death traps we have seemingly made the norm, you will have a ready market here - starting with mine.

A lot of old houses in Ire akari estate have this type of burglary, especially for their large glass entry doors and it is still functioning.

It is a far better choice for men anything. But getting an artisan that could do it well now seems difficult. You will be advised to go with the norm.

davodyguy:

Survey Plan is very very relevant and one of the prerequisite in registering a title at the land Registry.

But is the survey plan it self a title that you can own and feel comfortable as the real owner of the land? The Answer is Capital No

You could have spent N5,000,000 on a survey plan and the land may not be yours at the end of the day



As regard the highlighted text, that is the normal 'language' by land surveyor to say 'belonging to' because you are the one that called the land surveyor and told him the land belongs to you. Hence, he will say what you told him and not necessarily because the land belongs to you.

Mind you, the same plan you attached here, can have your name on it and it will still show 'belonging to' That's why I said 10 survey plans can be drawn on a single land in the name of 10 different people and it would still have 'belonging to' on each of them.



The highlighted text is false at least at the Federal Land Registry in Ikoyi.

I registered 3 tiles all Deed of Assignment between Party A and Party B and I did not include a single Survey Plan. Fashola is the Minister of Works and Housing. Hence empowered by Law to sign all Deed of Assignment at the Federal level. Once he signs at the last page, that part is what would be attached to the Deed before the Registrar in Ikoyi would register the title for you.

In Lagos and in Ogun State, they pay more attention to survey plan than they do in Oyo State and at the federal level.



The survey plan does not 'perfects the Deed of Assignment' but a prerequisite to having your deed of assignment registered.
Here is how it works in Lagos and why a registered Survey plan is important

1. Upon 'acquiring' a land in Lagos, the first thing to do is to draw up a survey plan.
2. The survey plan shows the coordinates, size of land, location, details of the land surveyor and acclaimed owner.
3. The plan is what your Lawyer needs to prepare the deed of assignment that would be executed between you and the vendor
NOTE
Items 1,2,3 above still doesn't make you the owner cause the Vendor that sold to you may not be the legal owner of that land.
4. After item 3, give the survey plan to your land surveyor to get it registered via NIS and Office of the Surveyor General
5. After registering the plan, attach to the deed of Assignment and take it to the lands registry
6. Land Registry would not start any process without first sending the survey plan back to the Office of the Surveyor General to obtain Land Information and confirm that the land is properly positioned and not under Government acquisition.
7. If your Survey plan passes item 6, it would be sent back to lands to start the process of Registering the Deed of Assignment.
8. This is when the real work starts. Land Registry will now start to dig deep into the root of title. Who sold it to you? Is there a dispute somewhere? Has the previous owner mortgaged the property? What is the position of the court? What is the position of LASG on it?
NOTE
Item 8 is the reason I said your Survey Plan does not make you the legal/lawful owner of the land. Your survey may pass at the Office of the Surveyor General and still fail at the land Registry.

If a Fraud is noticed at Lands Bureau, all the amount spent on acquiring the land or doing Survey has entered voice mail. The registrar of titles will never register that Deed of assignment for you. Hence, the registered survey plan is not more than a mere paper.

Survey plan is very crucial in the process of registering your Deed of Assignment, but that plan on it's own does not make you the owner of the land.

Take for instance, A man dies and willed his land to his 5 Children. The eldest (solely) among them decides to sell the land to you and you have a survey plan drawn. Of course you may pass at the office of the surveyor General and if possible pass at the Lands Bureau, obtain your consent or C of O. Just one thing will nullify your title and that is the day the other 4 children go to court that the land was sold to you without their consent, the court would set aside the transaction and issue an order that the Lagos State Governor revoke the C of O immediately and it would be done.
If this happen, the survey plan becomes useless.

What we always emphasize is root of title first.
You can buy land from the richest man in Nigeria who claims he owns the land and then spend N1 billion to do survey plan and have it Registered. These process still doesn't make you the owner of the land.



Once you carefully read my post above, you would know better the order of preference/importance

Nice breakdown.

What should I look out for to verify if a land belongs to a real estate company?

somehow:


Nice breakdown.

What should I look out for to verify if a land belongs to a real estate company?

Ask them for the title they have first. You can post here for assistance in verification

n3xt:


Wow! Please do I have your permission to share this on other reputable platforms.

Copyright fee is just N1,000,000 pere



Go ahead

davodyguy:


Copyright fee is just N1,000,000 pere



Go ahead

We have the N1 but looking for the 000,000...

You asked. We listen.

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Not to ruin anyone's business but here's current prices of the attached materials

#70,000

#63,000

#3,500.

I'm currently where they're selling these materials to get what I need to do the job below and that's what I was told. Now how can he arrive at #25,000 per square meter

michlins:
Not to ruin anyone's business but here's current prices of the attached materials

#70,000

#63,000

#3,500.

I'm currently where they're selling these materials to get what I need to do the job below and that's what I was told. Now how can he arrive at #25,000 per square meter

The guy may not like profit like michlins

Just joking...

It’s possible the guy was given a job to do and the client changed his mind on the type of materials. Anything can make him sell cheaper.

I currently have some aluminum materials for 12 units of 1.2 x 1.2 windows. I can afford to make the windows at any price because I bought those extra materials several months ago.

That’s what I think is playing out here.

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davodyguy:

As them for the title they have first. You can post here for assistance in verification

One has Approved Excision
Another has Gazette

somehow:


One has Approved Excision
Another has Gazette

Obtain copies of whatever they claim to have, take it/them to Alausa, verify

In fact, you can even purchase Gazzette in Lagos State now to check if that area is mentioned in the records with LASG

Jasobry:


Just design

cos the Milano is more expensive

Hi . How many KvA can possibly power 3 fans , 4 bulbs , 1 LG inverter fridge and( 1 )55 inches Television.
Pls kindly suggest.