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Re: Lagos Belongs To Benin - Obanikoro's Grandson Declares by Obalufon: 12:20pm On Jan 20, 2021 |
Benin to Lagos .. i need the route taken by so called Benin warriors to Lagos without the Ijebus knowning |
Re: Lagos Belongs To Benin - Obanikoro's Grandson Declares by christistruth01: 12:27pm On Jan 20, 2021 |
gregyboy: In the Ota War of 1842 the Egba of Abeokuta won all the Land between Abeokuta and the Lagos Coast by Conquest. The Only place the Egba didn't take was the Lagos Island and even that is Awori Yoruba. 1 Like
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Re: Lagos Belongs To Benin - Obanikoro's Grandson Declares by gregyboy(m): 1:14pm On Jan 20, 2021 |
christistruth01: I would they touch the capital, like I said the war wasn't again Benin sovereignty on them but a yoruba tribal war |
Re: Lagos Belongs To Benin - Obanikoro's Grandson Declares by christistruth01: 1:32pm On Jan 20, 2021 |
gregyboy: The Oyos ( Ibadan are ethnic Oyo) did everything they Could to take over the Egba and Ijebu Coast of Lagos but God Almighty in his Wisdom never gave it to them so they had to Content themselves with the Coast of Badagry and Porto Novo which the Alaafin of Oyo had taken from Dahomians as allies of the Eguns. 1 Like
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Re: Lagos Belongs To Benin - Obanikoro's Grandson Declares by gregyboy(m): 1:44pm On Jan 20, 2021 |
christistruth01: Guy all this war when you dey talk na imaginery war ooh Quote from Samuel johson book on history of Yoruba he saw all the wars, And not some unverified source writen by bloggers |
Re: Lagos Belongs To Benin - Obanikoro's Grandson Declares by christistruth01: 1:52pm On Jan 20, 2021 |
gregyboy: If it were imaginary War Ibadan and Abeokuta would not be where they are today and Porto Novo would not have had a Yoruba King. Sir alfred moloney British Colonial Governor of Lagos 1890 http://slaveryandremembrance.org/articles/article/?id=A0121 1 Like
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Re: Lagos Belongs To Benin - Obanikoro's Grandson Declares by Obalufon: 2:55pm On Jan 20, 2021 |
Leave that fool greyhound or greyboy alone he is retarded ..Benin own Lagos in his dream ..Benin came to Lagos Island aboard the Portuguese merchant ship they were Portuguese ally and trade partner Since Portuguese have had a depot in Lagos island""200yrs before Benin ever step foot on aworis land"" Portuguese ally and trade partner will be there with them Benin presence is restricted within lagos island, 3 Likes |
Re: Lagos Belongs To Benin - Obanikoro's Grandson Declares by Nobody: 3:17pm On Jan 20, 2021 |
Ctorch: Hmmm |
Re: Lagos Belongs To Benin - Obanikoro's Grandson Declares by christistruth01: 3:27pm On Jan 20, 2021 |
Nijagogetsense: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.vanguardngr.com/2017/05/family-not-benin-says-musiliu-obanikoro/amp/&ved=2ahUKEwiRqe2d3KruAhWDi1wKHU4SCfYQFjAAegQIARAB&usg=AOvVaw3ULB45p9rNRSDiy7lRmykE&cf=1 2 Likes
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Re: Lagos Belongs To Benin - Obanikoro's Grandson Declares by Nobody: 3:31pm On Jan 20, 2021 |
christistruth01: I really appreciate your kind gesture. I will look into this now. |
Re: Lagos Belongs To Benin - Obanikoro's Grandson Declares by Etinosa1234: 3:57pm On Jan 20, 2021 |
tao11 Yes... As it is, we both agree that the original place called Lago is Lagos island..... Its good to see u are beginning to make some compromises... Lets see if u'll still agree that the land belonged to Benin at one time or not . And let's note that the Lago that Ulsheimer refered to was the domain of the new Eleko of Eko Continued (2) Secondly, the actual town which Ulsheimer referred to as “Lago” did NOT occupy the whole of that island. Also, it was NOT the only town on that island. Yes... The land which belonged to Benin didn't cover the whole island and wasn't the only town there but the key adjective that Ulsheimer used abt the town is that it was Large Now, what's the meaning of the word large Large can be used to describe something of relatively great size or extent Its synonyms are big, huge, enormous, gigantic, Giant etc... Thus when Ulsheimer was talking abt the town, he didn't refer to a small house, place or territory... He called it a Large town on the island... This further explains that he must have walked or been carried abt the length and breadth of the town to see the actual size of the town... The map which luckily displayed on the site further corroborates my points... In ur map, lago is of a large size compared to the remaining part of the island Thanks for giving me more points Also, to note, the fence around the town was to keep out the conquered Aworis from disturbing the peace of the town while they(Benin soldiers) used their powerful status to enforce, influence and control trade to be made only in Lagos (B) Ulsheimer notes state that many people come to this town (Lago) not only “by water” but also “by land”. U keep trying to circumvent the truth... Its like the truth is hard for u to swallow... Well, u go swallow am by force Now... Nowhere did I ever say that the entire length and breadth of the island was Lagos..... My point was , using Ulsheimer description, it was the large and major town in the island... There were other towns but they were either small, powerless or of little influence hence Ulsheimer never gave them any sort of recognition... The major town there was Lago,... All others were inconsequential and of no use even to themselves PS: ur images are not displaying II - OWNERSHIP Ulsheimer already specified the method by which Lago(originally inhabited by the Aworis) was taken when he mentioned soldiers... I'll explain deeper on this later To use a simple explanation for ur brain, if someone is addressed as a lawyer in a court (taking into factor abt their dressing, behavior), it is logical to see that he is there to defend or prosecute a case, likewise, if someone is addressed in a hospital as a doctor, its logical to conclude that he is there to treat patients... Now when Ulsheimer refered to the Benin residents as soldiers and not traders, given the fact that they were far from their Homeland, he implied that the land was conquered. To buttress this point, it is rather illogical or foolishness for a town to willingly loan or give out land to another town who had attacked them previously A) Regarding aboriginal ownership, different early European sources render the indigenous name of this island [and beyond] as “Ahoni” land, or “Awani” land, or “Ahouy” land, etc. From this part of ur post, it is safe to conclude that u don't read to reply each point ... Rather u keep vomiting the same trash like a robot... In my earlier posts, I clearly mentioned that tho Benin are not the Aboriginals of Lagos .. Now Aboriginal means first according to historical records... Its synonymous are indigenous, Native, earliest... Now, Benin never claimed to be the Aboriginals of Lagos... Rather, we proved that we invaded, conquered and defeated the original people living there and reestablished a new dynasty in Eko... This is what Egharevba wrote In simpler terms, Lagos belonged to Benin by conquest . Continued [s]In Summary: Wrong... Rather IN SUMMARY (1) Ulsheimer clearly states the ownership of Lago with the mention of soldiers..... That's if u know the actual duties of a soldier which u have proven times without number to not know (2)While it is correct to note that Lago was originally inhabited by the Aworis, it would be sufficient to also note that the aborigines were defeated and forced to transfer ownership of their town to Benin.. that's why the term "belong" was used in the two different accounts to connote present ownership of the land I used Australia as an example... In case u have selective amnesia, I said that Australia was not originally owned by the English but later belonged to them when they defeated the Aboriginals... Also Catalonia aboriginally belonged to the Carthaginian but now it belongs to the Spanish... More Samuk gregyboy Etrusen valirex edeyoung areafada2 4 Likes 3 Shares |
Re: Lagos Belongs To Benin - Obanikoro's Grandson Declares by Etinosa1234: 4:01pm On Jan 20, 2021 |
[s] Apart from oral accounts which have been modified over the years and are not 90% certain, there is no account that states that Benin have long been residing in Lagos before 1603... While he wasn't present during the Benin conquest of Lagos, his mention of soldiers connotes that he believes that the land was conquered by Benin long ago and was flourishing already under Benin direct control... If it was by conferment that Benin got Lagos, Benin people residing there would have been under the jurisdiction of the king or government that gave them the land. But this isn't the case.... Otherwise, Ulsheimer would have noted abt a bigger power alongside the Oba of Benin on the island being supposedly allocated to Benin It is also important to note that it was as a result of Benin direct control over Lagos that made the town flourish in trade as noted in Ulsheimer last sentence in his excerpt Continued [s]ii) Before proceeding any further, it is important that you’re reminded again of your erroneous and misleading description of the town “Lago”. Before proceeding, it is important to note that I never for once mentioned Benin owned all of the island..... Rather I said that Benin influence over the island was majorly over the large town called Lago which is the domain of the Eleko of Eko... Other towns were small and useless to the economic prosperity of the Benin kingdom... They were though tormented by the Benin kingdom as will be explained later Also ur images ain't displaying [s]Having stressed that, the most that Ulsheimer’s notes show is that, as at the time he arrived at our region in 1603-4, he met the Binis already living as an armed unit, but within the four walls of their own town. He notes: If u had read Egharevba note more clearly, u would have noted that he specifically said that Eko was made a military camp by Benin which was used to control trade in the area ... So that means even though they camped at Eko, their powerful influence was used to force people to come to trade only and only in Lagos Firstly , Ulsheimer stated while they lived in Lagos, their activities was not restricted to only Lagos... This is clearly the point when Ulsheimer noted that people came in to trade their wares... This shows that they opened their gates to people to trade their wares in Lagos while the military taxed or collected the gains which was used to boost the economy of the Benin Empire Secondly As this is the case, I can say that u are selectively blind to facts which are glaring and opposing to u Now in Ulsheimer notes, he noted about a particular activity that the soldiers did in a year... .. Every day these two send news off to the king, informing him of what the judges have done that day. They do this throughout the whole year This indicates that he was present in Lagos or got info abt lagos for close to a year.. ... It also proves that they were always an armed units for the long time he stayed... It would be irrelevant for him to say that they are soldiers and were always armed since soldiers(Esp the ones on foreign land) must always be armed to fight invaders... .. This is akin to saying that "Tao is a man and he has a peni.s" . This is a tautological statement and the last part of the statement is not needed since u have already told us that Tao is a man... This however is where ur weak claim is based. Continued Given Ulsheimer’s deafening silence on (1) how the Binis initially came to settle-in into this island, and on (2) why they live within their fence as an armed unit in 1603-4; other materials (with such information) must be adduced. U tend to deceive ur self a lot...... I've already explained this... But lemme add to it 1) Ulsheimer tho wasn't present when Benin conquered Lagos, but it can be deduced from the notes that the land called Lago was under Benin direct military 2) According to Egharevba and Robert Smith who supports this statement, the place was mainly a base or camp from where Benin extended their control over trade in that area... That's why people chose to trade in Lagos and not iddo or any other inconsequential areas in the island Now to the soon to be debunked paper that u tend to carry around To be super clear again, we do NOT have a situation of contradiction here – there are no contradictions in a situation of ‘Silence vs. Information’. Well done for complimenting my point that u are actually contradicting me ... My two accounts 1603 and 1845 are majorly eyewitness accounts Now, its best to say that the book u quote 1) Consist of oral accounts which are not 100% true 2) contains stories that have been changed, modified and interpreted to suit personal interests [s]Unlike Ulsheimer’s notes which is silent on these two specific questions; the page above from a British colonial record of Lagos history provides information on these two questions. While Ulsheimer notes clearly mentioned that Lagos was ruled by military generals, the British records which is not true consist of , as I have said before, oral stories... Now due to less and slow flow of information around the world, it is safe to say that if Alan Burns or any colonial officers had come in contact with Ulsheimer account before writing the book, he would have dropped ur point and stuck with Ulsheimer... In conclusion Alan wrote based on what he was told and not by comparing two accounts to find out which one is more logical To show a few contradictions between Ulsheimer eyewitness account and Alan's compilation of folktale stories , we'll first define the meaning of conferment Now to confer means to grant possession... According to Alan, the Benin had attacked the Aworis before but were repelled, then they peacefully infiltrated Lagos(hilarious) and had more influence than the government of the Awori. U also concluded that Lago was by conferment ... Using the definition of confer above, it is either foolishness --on the part of the Aworis to grant possession of land to another party who had formerly invaded them-- or illogical to say that Alan's story is true taking Ulsheimer story into account... If it's the former, its safe to conclude that foolishness was an inherent Yoruba ability and trait for them to grant land to invaders. Even as at our present time, people were fighting hard against the government who wanted to give land to the herdsmen --by Implementing a Law called RUGA-- who were killing people indiscriminately... No one can feel comfortable giving lands to invaders or terrorists... Its a human trait to find any means possible to stay far away from trouble... Except the Yoruba of course From ur conclusion using Alan folktales, are u also agreeing to the fact that ur Yoruba grandfather's were whimps and weaklings that they couldn't fight for their land but had to give out a large portion to the Benin out of fear If it's the latter, Ulsheimer account which is an eyewitness account debunks Alan's own which came 300 years later..... Ulsheimer account says that the Benin were the ones majorly in Lagos which is the present day jurisdiction of the Eleko of Eko while Alan erroneously said that the Benin, after previously attacking Lagos, peacefully infiltrated the town or according to u, conferred them land... As a thank u gift for invading them ? No sane government will allow such... During the second world war, after the Japanese attack on pearl Harbour, the American government confined all Japanese Americans and deemed them a threat to the country till the war ended... Now this is a sane government .. I guess ur Lagos was previously ruled by numbskulls... Thank God for Benin that created a new dynasty in Lagos [s]For the sake of completeness, I feel obliged to mention here that many, many decades after these records of Lagos history had been published by the British authorities; a new and contrary writing emerged for the first time in the 1950s – this time, from Benin City, by the Benin Chief Egharevba. Like I said previously, information in the 20th century downwards was not readily available ... Also according to u, Egharevba got his account independently from palace chiefs ... So with little information readily available, Egharevba merely wrote stories being told to him which happened to corroborate earlier accounts ie Ulsheimer and D'Avesac Besides this ur claim of early account is very baseless... If Benin and Lagos were asked at the same time, Benin would have still said the same thing Egharevba said decades later [s]In contrast, there is NO earlier contrary writing on these two specific questions which these British records of Lagos history could have been reacting to. Except u are blind, which u have shown before , the earliest accounts on Lagos which is the eyewitness accounts is Ulsheimer and D'Avesac accounts.... U can keep repeating the folktales to ur sorry self if u like In Conclusion: The Binis’s ownership of their specific spot on that island was by forceful take over. and not by conferment as u have erroneously said Samuk gregyboy Etrusen valirex edeyoung areafada2 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Lagos Belongs To Benin - Obanikoro's Grandson Declares by Etinosa1234: 4:05pm On Jan 20, 2021 |
With this explanation u have given here, is it not hypocrisy for u to assume that the word "Korame" as written by the French author was not the European spelling for Eko-amen? Continue Reading Sha [s]Contrary to my prior unwarranted assumption that the rendering “Ichoo” must have been older than the Ijebus’s designation; a more careful consideration of the text in d’Avezac text shows that no such information was provided. Good to see u are learning hard against ur will... This means u are understanding ... Well continue to read below to get a devastating refutation of ur remaining points [s]The only information he provided on these two is his recognition that they [“Ichoo” and the Ijebus’s designation] are one and the same thing. Irrespective of whether Ichoo is older or not, it was used rather to refer to Lagos and was most likely gotten from the Benin due to their Close association to the Benin more than the Ijebu [s]On this specific note, Sir Alan C. Burns’ “History of Nigeria”, (1929) states, and I quote here, that: I see that u are already losing ground in this argument... Originally, in ur earlier post, u said [sup}Formerly it was known as Eko, which name it had received before any settlements were made on the island.”[/sup] https://www.nairaland.com/6365528/lagos-belongs-benin-obanikoros-grandson/19#98139439 Now u deliberately made changes to the quotation.... That's a clear sign of fear .. Instead of working with this ur later quotation, I'll rather break down the earlier one because u are a strong proponent of the earlier the better ... Now according to ur earlier qoutations, u believe that the land was named Eko by people who had not yet make any form of settlement on the land... U are a big comedian guy ... Now, if there was no form of settlement on that land, how did they get to name the land before they decided to settle on the land...... It also implies they never saw the land sef This once again cast doubts on the debunked Alan Burns folktales [s]A Yoruba word which loudly stands out among others as the ancestor of the word “Eko” is the Yoruba word “Ereko”. Rather, how about a complete breakdown of the word Eko from Benin... The Eko in Benin can be derived from when Benin conquered Lagos in late 16th century and made it a base from where they controlled trade in that area... It was originally Eko-amen because of the waters that surrounded it and was corrupted by the Europeans to Korame and the Yorubas to Eko... Now that's the truth [/s]Till date, the name “ereko” manages to survive on that island. In fact, it remains the name of one of the areas on that island (i.e. Lagos island) even up until this very moment.... U didn't use evidence rather u used ur language to make ur point while forgetting that the Benin had been present in Lagos and effected a lot of changes contrary to ur dead, weak and spineless Olofin regime and a suddenly new person who no one have heard except u... Keep springing up lies The fact remains, Eko was named by Benin [s] U are trying so hard to be cunning ... But lemme shock u, its not working ... Not on me tho...... Now... When D'Avesac made his comparison, there was no need for him to use the term older when referring to Dutch reports... What he was actually comparing was the Portuguese and the Dutch term Not the Dutch and Ijebu word... His use of the term older is to show that Curamo was older than all the terms there Esp the Dutch's own... Its logical to know that the Dutch reports has been existing since before the 16th century ...way older before the term "Eko was first heard..... In conclusion, The French author implied that the European terms were older than the African terms compared with... The Dutch reports has always be existing before the term Eko was first heard... The origin of the Dutch reports can be determined with proofs but not the Yorubas own which will at best be inflated by the arrogant Yorubas [s]By this year 1472 when Rui de Sequeira visited Lagos, he had since described and documented the area as “Lago de Curamo”. Its safe to see that u are already making concessions in this argument... U have already dropped a point that korame was derived from curamo to this.. But I must say that this is an outright lie... A barefaced lie to say the least You could have at least done ur research before telling this big lie... Maybe u thought u were conversing with ur fellow Yoruba zombies Now..The term Curamo in Portuguese means cure... The term "Lago de Curamo" means lakes of healing ..... Now the term Curamo which is said to derive from the Yoruba doesn't mean anything that aromire Eko means... It is also older than the term Eko U didn't even define the word to compare with Curamo which was supposedly borrowed from Yoruba..... Even.if u did, it won't mean the same as it is in Portuguese This brings us to the term "Loanword" Loanword are words adopted from one language (the donor language) and incorporated into another language without translation. This meaning already implies that Loanword is borrowed without any changes to it... It might be corrupted due to pronouciation but it's meaning doesn't change... I have given previous examples of borrowed words... Refer to it for ur understanding In Conclusion: 1)The term Curamo is a Portugese word 2) Curamo was not derived from any Yoruba word In simpler terms Curamo is the oldest when The Portuguese Explorer came Korame next by Benin conquering Lagos Ichoo by Benin association with the Dutch Eko by Ijebu Continue next page Samuk gregyboy Etrusen valirex edeyoung areafada2 5 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Lagos Belongs To Benin - Obanikoro's Grandson Declares by Etinosa1234: 4:15pm On Jan 20, 2021 |
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Yes... That's right my child [s]This historical connection is noted in the Lagos account to be two folds, namely: Now... The historical connection in the Benin account is rather namely A)Paternal Connection - Ashipa was the grandson of the oba of Benin... This corroborates Ulsheimer account when he said, the town Lago was inhabited by Benin soldiers and Four military commanders... There is no chance that an inconsequential isheri man would have become king... We are not foolish like ur tribe Lets even take ur story into consideration... Is it that because there are no fine gals in Yoruba land that Ashipa found the love of his life in his only trip to Benin or was it because he was already a Benin man [s]B) Political Connection – between Ashipa and the then Benin king whose subjects were living in one of the settlements on Lagos island. Clown, ur story is in contradiction with the only eyewitness account in 1603... Now the place Lago, is the same place being called Lagos island presently and that's the domain of the oba of Lagos... No where in history either Yoruba or Benin was there any king recorded to have ruled before ashipa..... Rather in a collaboration with Ulsheimer, Lago was ruled by 4 military generals who controlled trade under the directive of the Oba of Benin So Lago as said earlier was a large town and not just any settlement as u tend to put it ... [s]The details of this political connection, as contained in the Lagos records, state that Lagos island as a whole used to be under the control of the king of Iddo island (A. C. Burns, 1929:42-44).[/s] Wrong as usual... Tao... What do u gain from lieing Rather the eyewitness account present there never noted abt any superior power present except the Oba of Benin... This is 300 years before ur Alan folktales His account clearly says that Lago, which is now refered to as Lagos island or Lagos at best belonged to the Oba of Benin No where in history apart from ur folktales was Lagos island under iddo island... The only eyewitness accounts support such... Stop with the folk tales, I'm bored already... [s]Ashipa -- being eager to establish a monarchy (which would be independent of Iddo’s control) on the island -- sought the support of the powerful king of Benin to fulfil his strong aspiration. (A. C. Burns, 1929:43).[/s] This has been debunked consecutive times by Ulsheimer account... U need to sit down, take a glass of water and ask ur self why ur Lagos account is not given popular recognition in contrast to the Benin account? Its because the Benin own is more logical than urs Apart from ur folktales once again, there is no account of Iddo being powerful over Lagos island... Infact if the iddo was once controlling Lagos island, it is safe to say that their influence was already weakened and destroyed by the Benin in 1603 In Ulsheimer notes that u have cited, he never noted abt any other power than the Oba of Benin This same Iddo people were also terrorised by the Benin In Oserhieme Osadolor's book, "The military system of the Benin Kingdom" --thanks to christistruth0--, referencing NAI CSO 26/1 53103. T. F. Baker, 1949. “Intelligence Report on the Eti-Osa Area of the Ikeja Division, of the Colony Province,” p.6-7,he says However, the eighteenth century wars in the Eti-Osa area of present day Lagos in Nigeria, were not directed in suppressing rebellions. They were wars of continued expansion of the frontiers of the Benin Empire. During the Benin invasion, refugees fleeing from Iddo were said to have resettled and founded the villages of Ikate and Ajiran.50 The village of Aja traces its origin to this period of Benin invasions and the ancestry of its first settlers to Benin itself.51 It is probable that the invasions were renewed attacks because the area had come under the suzerainty of the Oba of Benin in the sixteenth century, during the era of warrior kings. This goes to show that to explain why Ulsheimer never talked abt any superior power in Lagos other than the Oba of Benin because the Oba was by far greater, powerful and influential than them [s]This arrangement proved successful, and thence did the king of Benin earn Ashipa’s unwavering loyalty — earning remittances as well as the honour of recognizing successive (patrilineal) Yoruba kings of the island. (Burns, 1929:43).[/s] All lies... Its quite hilarious that u are shifting stance.. In a former thread, u said that ashipa used and dump the Oba and that after ashipa, no one paid any longer....... Now this... U've got to be consistent with ur lies Before we go further, who ordered Oba idewu Ojulari to commit suicide if the dynasty was established by loyalty as u call it Note that if the Oba of Benin position in lagos was actually ceremonial, Oba Akitoye would have not refered to the Oba of Benin in his letter Meditate on the meaning of undisputed before u go further [s]The following four key points are to be stressed for the umpteenth time: The date of writing doesn't matter here... Thats not even a point here.... Even as early as the Lagos account was, it didn't even gain more recognition among historians than Egharevba's own Also, if The Benin were to write their own the same time as Lagos, they would have still said the same thing as Egharevba in 1952 Lastly, given the lack of information then, Egharevba never wrote in response to any Lagos account [s](ii) There are no earlier records of Benin/Lagos-island interaction which touches specifically on the identity of Ashipa. Yes... There are no earlier records so stop saying one is more correct than the other [s]iii) Neither are there any earlier records which identifies the reason for the strong loyalty of Lagos-island to the Benin king.[/s] Of course they are... U just chose to be blind to see it... In fact, the records show clearly that Lagos was a vassal of Benin From Idewu suicide to Dosumu refusal to pay tributes on the ground that they are now under the British . [s]Nor are there any earlier records which identifies the king who controlled the whole of the island prior to the present independent dynasty.[/s] That one concern ur Papa... All that's needed to know is that there were Aborigines present in Lago who were defeated by the Benin who established a new dynasty in Lagos [s]The most that some of these earlier materials/letters do (just as the letter you’ve attached here) is that they simply allude to the strong loyalty by which the Lagos-island monarchy was bounded to the Benin kingdom[/s] Yes they have to allude to it because they were under the Benin Empire... They had no choice but to be loyal to the main government... The Benin ruled distant places indirectly while ruling close places directly... One of the senior classes of chiefs consists of the Akarigbere who were descendants of the Benin soldiers that conquered Lagos... And they were kingmakers headed by Eletu Odibo which is corrupted from Olotu Odibo in Benin They remained under the Benin till the British takeover... [s]The first writings to pinpoint the reason for this strong loyalty are the records of Lagos history published by the British authorities in 1878, 1914, and 1929. Gratitude is an act of appreciation , thankfulness... Now Benin suzerainty over Lagos was not based on appreciation... If it were, 1)Idewu would not have committed suicide... After Osinlokun died in 1829, his son Idewu Ojulari became king. (Aderibigbe) Idewu was said to have been unpopular because of his extreme avarice towards his leaders and followers. (Law 1978, p. 55) The chiefs were said to have communicated their displeasure to the Oba of Benin, who sent him a skull, a sword, and a message that ‘the people of Lagos would no longer recognize him as king’ this led him to take his life. According to Aderibingbe, “this luckless king died without an heir in 1834, having been forced to commit suicide because of his unpopularity”. (Aderibigbe:16) Another source says " Idewu Ojulari's unpopularity may have been caused by the economic downturn in the slave trade following the prosperous years of Osinlokun's reign. His chiefs reportedly communicated their displeasure with Idewu to the Oba of Benin, who sent him a skull, a sword, and a message that "the people of Lagos would no longer recognize him as their King". Idewu Ojulari, recognizing the skull as an invitation to take poison and in the sword a call to battle, he committed suicide." References: Mann, Kristin (2007). Slavery and the Birth of an African City: Lagos, 1760-1900. Indiana University Press, 2007. p. 47. 2) Akitoye would have used the word ceremonial rather than undisputed in his letter to the British Undisputed means unchallenged, unquestioned... Now if Lagos and Benin were bound by gratitude, the position of Benin would have at best be ceremonial in the politics of Lagos, but instead, they had the most powerful influence in Lagos...... Whosoever the Oba chooses to be king of Lagos, he would be king,... Whosoever he removes will be removed... This shows Benin powerful influence over Lagos 3)The British would not have acknowledged the Benin suzerainty over Lagos... Kosoko was called to a meeting on the southern tip of the Lagos island, however, he rejected the offer of friendship by the British and declined to sign the treaty using the ingenious argument that Lagos was under Benin and the Oba of Benin should be persuaded to sign the treaty on his behalf. To this Becroft responded, “it was decided to collect such a show of force as the moment could supply, with the firm belief that such force, judging from the character of African chiefs would have the effect by simple demonstration of our power to cause him to accede to our terms” (Ajayi, 1965, pp. 75- 76). Beecroft too gave explicit recognition to the Oba‟s authority in the town when he addressed a letter to him before the expulsion off Kosoko References: A.E Afigbo, "The Benin Mirage and the History of South Central Nigeria." Nigeria daily Magazine, 1998 no. 137 p.23 Later that year, when Kosoko successful repulsed the British attack, Consul John Beecroft wrote to the Oba of Benin declaring that "Kosoko, by opening fire on a flag of truce, had declared war on England" and therefore had to be replaced by Akitoye. He threatened that Kosoko had till the end of the month to surrender otherwise "Lagos would be totally destroyed by fire". References:Robert Sydney Smith. The Lagos Consulate, 1851–1861 . University of California Press, 1979. p. 27. 4) Dosunmu would have continued to send Oba of Benin tributes on the basis of loyalty ...But this is not the case No better fortune attended Oba Adolo‟s attempt in 1860 to re-instate Kosoko who had made his peace with Benin, perhaps by promising to resume payment of the tribute. Adolo sent a message to the new ruler of Lagos, Dosumu, informing him of his wish to place Kosoko on the throne. King Dosumu replied that he only recognizes the British government now, not as in former times when Lagos was under the king of Benin to whom annually a tribute was paid, and that he requested the king of Benin would not send any more messages relative to the bringing back of Kosoko to Lagos [b]References:[/b]S. A. Akintoye, Revolution and Power Politics in Yorubaland, 1840- 1893, (London: Longman Group Limited, 1971) On 4 March 1879, CO147/37, Governor Moloney reported to the colonial secretary another visit to Lagos by messengers from the oba of Benin who arrived in February and interviewed King Dosunmu and his chiefs as well as himself References:Smith, Robert. The Lagos Consulate, 1851–1861 . University of California Press, 1979. p. 102. In conclusion: Lagos was a vassal of Benin Empire till 1851 when kosoko was dethroned The aforementioned points cannot happen on ties gratitude Cheers 4 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Lagos Belongs To Benin - Obanikoro's Grandson Declares by gregyboy(m): 4:33pm On Jan 20, 2021 |
Etinosa1234: Definitely |
Re: Lagos Belongs To Benin - Obanikoro's Grandson Declares by Web2020: 6:05pm On Jan 20, 2021 |
TAO11:You are talking from the two side of your mouth. You failed to talk about the war the great Binis wedge against the British when they invaded Benin to take away the Oba. The millions of British soldiers killed before the unfortunate incident of capturing the Oba. You shabbily stated that the Oba was banished. He was taken to Calabar and another Oba installed to avoid vacuum and with that he can not come to Benin kingdom because there can never be two Obas in Benin Kingdom. Secondly, limit the use of the phrase "I have proven" what have you proven by simply giving your unverified opinion. The only Kingdom in Nigeria is Edo kingdom. The British knew it, they saw that Edo Kingdom was well Organized with all forms of administration. They were surprised and needed to conker the kingdom to be able to penetrate the territory. 3 Likes |
Re: Lagos Belongs To Benin - Obanikoro's Grandson Declares by Yebedervru: 6:14pm On Jan 20, 2021 |
Web2020:Edo was never a kingdom. Stop disturbing yourself A kingdom with 10 local governments. You can do better |
Re: Lagos Belongs To Benin - Obanikoro's Grandson Declares by Web2020: 6:19pm On Jan 20, 2021 |
Yebedervru:You have no idea of the subject matter. This is beyond I have phone with data, therefore I can say anything i like. |
Re: Lagos Belongs To Benin - Obanikoro's Grandson Declares by Yebedervru: 6:22pm On Jan 20, 2021 |
Web2020:Will you shut up Benin hoodlum. No sense Now tell me if Edo is a kingdom indeed, why is Edo a minority tribe today? Why do the whole of Edo have small landmass? Why do we have different langauges in Edo state today if indeed your Edo is a kingdom ? |
Re: Lagos Belongs To Benin - Obanikoro's Grandson Declares by Yebedervru: 6:23pm On Jan 20, 2021 |
Web2020:Will you shut up Benin hoodlum. No sense Now tell me if Edo is a kingdom indeed, why is Edo a minority tribe today? Why do the whole of Edo have small landmass? Why do we have different langauges in Edo state today if indeed your Edo is a kingdom ?. |
Re: Lagos Belongs To Benin - Obanikoro's Grandson Declares by christistruth01: 6:27pm On Jan 20, 2021 |
For the one thousandth time Oba of Lagos himself telling you with his own mouth at 5.45 Minutes "Benin are not the owners of Lagos' https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOsp9VLRFno Get over it !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
Re: Lagos Belongs To Benin - Obanikoro's Grandson Declares by Web2020: 6:38pm On Jan 20, 2021 |
Yebedervru:The bolded shows that you are a small boy and I repeat, you have no idea of the subject matter. Talking about size as a yardstick to defining a Kingdom further makes me give up on you. My advice for you: don't talk when you don't have idea of the topic because when ever you open your mouth to talk, you tell the world who you are. |
Re: Lagos Belongs To Benin - Obanikoro's Grandson Declares by Yebedervru: 6:41pm On Jan 20, 2021 |
Web2020:Shut up Benin hoodlum. Edo was never a kingdom. Even esan your nearest neighbor speak different langauge and you can’t even influence them but you want us to believe that tiny Edo is a kingdom |
Re: Lagos Belongs To Benin - Obanikoro's Grandson Declares by Web2020: 6:42pm On Jan 20, 2021 |
christistruth01:This political Oba of Lagos. Has he gotten his missing staff of office? |
Re: Lagos Belongs To Benin - Obanikoro's Grandson Declares by forgiveness: 9:40pm On Jan 20, 2021 |
Web2020: 1 million what? Take suffery dey lie na.
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Re: Lagos Belongs To Benin - Obanikoro's Grandson Declares by gregyboy(m): 10:10pm On Jan 20, 2021 |
Lagos was entirely ruled by binis Untill, the Yoruba immigrant slaves were dumped in lagos After slavery was banned |
Re: Lagos Belongs To Benin - Obanikoro's Grandson Declares by Obalufon: 11:49pm On Jan 20, 2021 |
Web2020:Millions of British soldiers killed before capturing your King are you kidding me "Crack head" one thousand Soldiers of British Royal army laid waste to entire Benin kingdom without any casualty on their part..Oba was smoked out of his hiding hole like bush rat ,caged ,chained and exported to calabar 1 Like |
Re: Lagos Belongs To Benin - Obanikoro's Grandson Declares by forgiveness: 7:37am On Jan 21, 2021 |
gregyboy: Which entire Yoruba people? Why do you like lying to yourself? |
Re: Lagos Belongs To Benin - Obanikoro's Grandson Declares by gregyboy(m): 8:07am On Jan 21, 2021 |
Obalufon: Without any causualties, on their part Now you're the one in dillusions, Even with their heavy weapons they were crushed the 1200 soldiers died and they brought in recruit to the battle field Hausa igbo and Yoruba recruit Causualties wasnt recorded, the war didn't end because Benin soldiers had fallen, the war ended because the oba came out from hiding and surrender Two great kingdom fought not some petty guerilla warfare, a war that involved machine guns, submarine, and even documented letters The same forces used to conquer benin, was moved the next month to conquer the anshanti kingdom, 1 Like |
Re: Lagos Belongs To Benin - Obanikoro's Grandson Declares by Obalufon: 6:16pm On Jan 21, 2021 |
gregyboy: You people are sick and dillusional No british soldier die on the expendition slowpoke ,,you were smoked out within a day ,,Bitish sent only 1200 soldiers to annihilate your shit hole of a kingdom,.Kingdom of Ape i bet you've watched the movie numbskull |
Re: Lagos Belongs To Benin - Obanikoro's Grandson Declares by Obalufon: 6:29pm On Jan 21, 2021 |
gregyboy:Battle field ,Recruit in battle field are you kidding me ,Do you even have a field in Benin ? your people were smoked with TNT and rained on with hot sulphur and brimstone.. wages of your sins ..God purposely sent the British to lay waste to your demonic land |
Re: Lagos Belongs To Benin - Obanikoro's Grandson Declares by gregyboy(m): 8:38pm On Jan 21, 2021 |
Obalufon: Lol, you're just pained beyond control I will do more damage to the yorubas you better start gathering your hate on time The British did everything to hide the real fact on the war due to the unjust reason they ambushed benin, Benin fell in 3 months, guerilla warefare lasted 2 years more The British would say benin fell in a day, 7days, a month Their figures is not static, because they wrote to hide the truth about the war, they wrote after the war to label Benin racially weaker than them to impress the white the superior race they are Truth be told, if benins didnt fall, they wouldn't have been a southern protectorate and you yoruba lots wouldn't have been colonize and you would have still have you African pride intact But instead you decide to insult the african kingdom, that stood for all southerners including your Yoruba people After Benin was conquered the southern protectorate was formed aren't you aware No wonder the stupid awolowo was afraid about the fact that if the benins leave western region they will go back to Form the benin empire, who would rule over them and her neighbour's 1 Like |
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