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I thought winning a world cup is not a team's achievement when you said Ballack got Germany to the World cup final.


Mata and Wijnaldum >>>>>>> Ballack and Debruyne

Individuals contribute to Teams winning. Ballack contributed to Germany by scoring the winning goal in the quarter final and semi final before missing the final, Mata contributed to Spain winning by playing 20mins out of 600

CapitalCee:


Yeah when its Balkack its not a team effort like he dragged Leverkusen and Germany, or when he was blaming Terry for Ballack failure to win UCL. But for Mata and Wijnaldum they are inconsequential even when they played vital roles in thier teams victory

What was Matas role? 1 goal 1 assist in all knockout and missing the opening penalty in the final?

Ballack in the Leverkusen scored in the quarter and semi finals for Leverkusen and Germany, while Mata was benched for all but 20mins in an entore competition

What exactly did Mata contribute to Spain

raumdeuter:


[s]Individuals contribute to Teams winning. Ballack contributed to Germany by scoring the winning goal in the quarter final and semi final before missing the final, Mata contributed to Spain winning by playing 20mins out of 600[/s]

You are now doing shalaye which you never did when i showed that Thiago Silva outperformed Boathand in UCL last season according to Squawka.

Show me Debruyne or Ballack's world cup, like you always asked about Silva's.?

CapitalCee:


He was inconsequential but scored 2 and assisted 3 goals including 1 in the final. He was infact Chelsea's player of the season. What an inconsequential player he must be. Agenda must agend na

NextD18:

2 goals 3 assist. Total of 5 G/A in 12 appearances.

Name 3 Chelsea midfielders that got that stat without penalties.

In which games?

Group stage?

If you were too young or not a Chelsea fan, let those who watched tell you who was consequential. Of all 11 players, he was the biggest passenger whose wing was always leaking. Taking a corner in the final doesn't change that. Even Bosingwa and Meireles will hold their head high compared to Mata in that competition, and in games where Kalou came on for him, we saw instant improvement.

Vs Napoli 4-1, he was benched as Drogba and Lampard each got a goal and assist

Vs Benfica 1-0, he did nothing as Kalou scored. 2nd leg 2-1, he did nothing and was substituted for Meireles who scored

Vs Barcelona first leg, his wing was leaking all game and was dragged off for Kalou who shored up his wing. Vs Barcelona 2-2, his wing was leaking and was dragged off early after 50 something minutes for Kalou who secured his wing.

Vs Bayern his wing was leaking all game and his only contribution was swinging in an average corner and Drogba did all the work with a bullet header.

Leave the story for those who watched every minute as fans and as grown men. Mata was our most useless starting player in the UCL run from Napoli 2nd leg onward. Bosingwa, Meireles and Kalou contributed more than him, not to talk of Cech, Drogba, Lampard, Ramires and Mikel who were the main protagonists. If it's bullying small teams in Group stage or league, we know Mata for that, but when playing tough games against strong men with backs are to the wall, Mata was the weak link.

raumdeuter:


What was Matas role? 1 goal 1 assist in all knockout and missing the opening penalty in the final?

Ballack in the Leverkusen scored in the quarter and semi finals for Leverkusen and Germany, while Mata was benched for all but 20mins in an entore competition

What exactly did Mata contribute to Spain

Mata scored the decisive away goal versus Napoli, and assisted in the final thats his role. Ballack missed a sitter in the final and was not effective. You are blaming terry that kept Chelsea in the game. If Ballack had kept his shots on target and did not drift in and out of games, perhaps he would have won UCL

Amoto94:


Klopp teams usually decline in a manner unexpected them. Guardiola's influence is evident in Spain and Germany's world cup wins. Where Klopp edge it is his friendly relationship with players as for technical and tactical improvements Pep edges him. I have read books detailing their careers so far and I have watch them at their peak (Pep's peak was at Barcelona and Klopp's peak was at Dortmund forget the UCL and EPL) so my decision is based on that

Whose influence was evident in Spain euro win in 2008?

Guardiola Bayern team couldn't make a champions league final, but his influence was evident in Germany winning the world cup lol.

We're waiting for his influence to win the world cup for England too.

Spain and Germany had coaches that coached their teams to win the world cup, but but it was Guardiola influence

Ibime:




In which games?

Group stage?

If you were too young or not a Chelsea fan, let those who watched tell you who was consequential. Of all 11 players, he was the biggest passenger whose wing was always leaking. Taking a corner in the final doesn't change that. Even Bosingwa and Meireles will hold their head high compared to Mata in that competition, and in games where Kalou came on for him, we saw instant improvement.

Vs Napoli 4-1, he was benched as Drogba and Lampard each got a goal and assist

Vs Benfica 1-0, he did nothing as Kalou scored. 2nd leg 2-1, he did nothing and was substituted for Meireles who scored

Vs Barcelona first leg, his wing was leaking all game and was dragged off for Kalou who shored up his wing. Vs Barcelona 2-2, his wing was leaking and was dragged off early after 50 something minutes for Kalou who secured his wing.

Vs Bayern his wing was leaking all game and his only contribution was swinging in an average corner and Drogba did all the work with a bullet header.

Leave the story for those who watched every minute as fans and as grown men. Mata was our most useless starting player in the UCL run from Napoli 2nd leg onward. Bosingwa, Meireles and Kalou contributed more than him, not to talk of Cech, Drogba, Lampard, Ramires and Mikel who were the main protagonists. If it's bullying small teams in Group stage or league, we know Mata for that, but when playing tough games against strong men with backs are to the wall, Mata was the weak link.

Any little thing, y'all will start yapping about folk's age as at when some matches were played, like it's some sort of Olympic debate of ancestral prowess.


I watched the game and that's why I'm authoritatively asking you a simple, straightforward and precise question.

Name 3 Chelsea midfielders that statistically bodied our 2012 best player MATA without penalties in that UCL tournament.

A simple question

NextD18:

Any little thing, y'all will start yapping about folk's age as at when some matches were played, like it's some sort of Olympic debate of ancestral prowess.


I watched the game and that's why I'm authoritatively asking you a simple, straightforward and precise question.

Name 3 Chelsea midfielders that statistically bodied our 2012 best player MATA without penalties in that UCL tournament.

A simple question

Wikipedia talk for those who were teenagers then.

Our UCL campaign started from Napoli 2nd leg after we were dead and buried in the first leg, and Mata was useless from that point on when the real men showed themselves.

What he did in the group stage against Genk and co doesn't concern me. Replace him with a traffic cone and we would still be in the knockout round. Na from Napoli 2nd leg onward we judge that campaign.

Ibime:


Wikipedia talk for those who were teenagers then.

Our UCL campaign started from Napoli 2nd leg after we were dead and buried in the first leg, and Mata was useless from that point on when the real men showed themselves.

Simple question, you can't answer.

Name midfielders that performed better than Mata in that tournament with proof, you can't answer.

All of a sudden, Wikipedia and stat links Na for teenagers because it brings fact, but if it's about bringing links to backup BTC, Eth and BLM arguments up, you'll bring them, but because this one is chocking you, you can't provide proof and links to back up your point which came as a result of your hate for Mata.

Mata produced 32 G/A in 11/12, more than any Chelsea midfielder, if not player. Provided 5 G/A in 12 appearances more than any Chelsea's midfielder[without penalty] in that UCL.

He was our best player of the season, provided an asist in the finals.

Hate it or not, he was our best midfielder that season.

raumdeuter:


Mikel as important as Drogba Lampard and even Cech who saved multiple penalties in the final?

Do a poll among Chelsea fans on this thread who were old enough to watch and understand football in 2012 on the 5 most important players to the 2012 CL win

5 names standout from that campaign. Cech and Drogba first and foremost, but Mikel, Ramires and Lampard join the elite 5 who were the main men in that campaign.

After that in the 2nd bracket, we have Ivanovic in a class of his own for his exploits against Napoli and general solidity and then we have Cole, Cahill and Luiz who defended manfully against the odds.

3rd bracket we have Meireles and Bosingwa that contributed greatly at the key moments vs Barcelona

And then we have Terry, Torres and Mata towing last, especially Mata.

And special mention to substitutes like Kalou who performed well defensively when brought on to fix Mata's leaking wing.

NextD18:

Simple question, you can't answer.

Name midfielders that performed better than Mata in that tournament with proof, you can't answer.

All of a sudden, Wikipedia and stat links Na for teenagers because it brings fact, but if it's about bringing links to backup BTC, Eth and BLM arguments up, you'll bring them, but because this one is chocking you, you can't provide proof and links to back up your point which came as a result of your hate for Mata.

Mata produced 32 G/A in 11/12, more than any Chelsea midfielder, if not player. Provided 5 G/A in 12 appearances more than any Chelsea's midfielder[without penalty] in that UCL.

He was our best player of the season, provided an asist in the finals.

Hate it or not, he was our best midfielder that season.

Nobody is talking about best midfielder that season. We are talking about who was important to our UCL victory and Wikipedia teenagers had the gall to mention Mata's name. Name one thing Mata did from Napoli 2nd leg onward apart from playing a corner and you are going back to inconsequential group stage against Genk and co.

The reason you have to have been a man to speak with any authority about 2012 is because it was a bus parking exercise throughout and children will not appreciate that every second of those matches carry tactical and defensive responsibility which Mata wasn't meeting. Children only remember attacking highlights. Men take cognisance of everytime someone is beaten, overpowered or overloaded on their wing, couldn't press quick enough etc which led to dangerous situations and Mata was guilty throughout which is why RDM had to haul him off early for Kalou who could cope better.

If you want to talk about Matas season specifically, fine. Just remember we finished 6th that year. That's what happens when you pad stats against small teams you would have defeated anyway but disappear when big boys are playing. That's why he was shunted off to Manure and became a perennial substitute. A man in the body of a 12 year old boy who only thrives when the going is easy and becomes a liability when the games are tough.

Ibime:


Nobody is talking about best midfielder that season. We are talking about who was important to our UCL victory and Wikipedia teenagers had the gall to mention Mata's name.

If you want to talk about Matas season specifically, fine. Just remember we finished 6th that year. That's what happens when you pad stats against small teams you would have defeated anyway but disappear when big boys are playing. That's why he was shunted off to Manure and became a perennial substitute. A man in the body of a 12 year old boy who only thrives when the going is easy and becomes a liability when the games are tough.

This is actually coming from your personal hate for Mata which I understand because it's not easy to withstand seeing a player you hate win best player for a team you support.

Mata got the stat in that tournament.

Okay fine, you ain't a fan of stat but other contributions which is okay, that one no do you.

Then you resorted into saying we should judge our UCL victory from Napoli's second leg? Like, wtf! We should count off 7 games just to suit you?

How tough was our QF games against Benfica that we should count off our group's games before judging players? Was is tougher than the game Leverkusen won Chelsea with a late strike?

How many games did we even win in the group for you to think it was easy for Chelsea then?

Mata is good, he bodied all our midfielders in that Ucl. Whatever happened or still happening with him and ManU isn't my business.

He has paid his dues for Chelsea.

NextD18:

This is actually coming from your personal hate for Mata which I understand because it's not easy to withstand seeing a player you hate win best player for a team you support.

Mata got the stat in that tournament.

Okay fine, you ain't a fan of stat but other contributions which is okay, that one no do you.

Then you resorted into saying we should judge our UCL victory from Napoli's second leg? Like, wtf! We should count off 7 games just to suit you?

How tough was our QF games against Benfica that we should count off our group's games before judging players? Was is tougher than the game Leverkusen won Chelsea with a late strike?

How many games did we even win in the group for you to think it was easy for Chelsea then?

Mata is good, he bodied all our midfielders in that Ucl. Whatever happened or still happening with him and ManU isn't my business.

Nothing to do with hate. I am no fan of Mikel and Ramires but they are in my top 5 elite performers in that UCL campaign.

We were dead and buried in UCL after Napoli first leg which is when AVB got the sack.

Anything else you want to say is for children and Wikipedia revisionists

We grown men know that when we talk about that UCL campaign, we are talking from Napoli 2nd leg when RDM came in onward. We don't even need to count Benfica. Napoli 2nd leg, both legs against Barca and Bayern is what counts and Mata was a liability throughout. You have to have been a MAN to observe that, not a child.

NextD18:

Mata is good, he bodied all our midfielders in that Ucl.

Mad talk. Meireles was more important than Mata before we even come to Ramires, Mikel and Lampard. Bodied ke, with half his goal contribution coming in 5-0 win over Genk in group stage and being a liability when it was time to face men.

I repeat. The reason you have to have been a man to speak with any authority about 2012 is because it was a bus parking exercise throughout and children will not appreciate that every second of those matches carry tactical and defensive responsibility which Mata wasn't meeting. Children only remember attacking highlights. Men take cognisance of everytime someone is beaten, overpowered or overloaded on their wing, couldn't press quick enough etc which led to dangerous situations and Mata was guilty throughout which is why RDM had to haul him off early for Kalou who could cope better.

Before you respond again, state your age. That's like me arguing the tactical nuances of 1994 with my elders. I enjoyed the games and remember the goals but for example I did not even know that SiaSia was deployed as a central midfielder in many games due to Okochas defensive weakness until Raumdeuter told me here. Leave the story for the men. Mata is not rated for anything in our UCL knockout campaign, he stunk out the place.

Ibime:



We were dead and buried in UCL after Napoli first leg which is when AVB got the sack.

Anything else you want to say is for children and Wikipedia revisionists

We grown men know that when we talk about that UCL campaign, we are talking from Napoli 2nd leg when RDM came in onward. We don't even need to count Benfica. Napoli 2nd leg, both legs against Barca and Bayern is what counts and Mata was a liability throughout. You have to have been a MAN to observe that, not a child.



Mad talk. Meireles was more important than Mata before we even come to Ramires, Mikel and Lampard. Bodied ke, with half his goal contribution coming in 5-0 win over Genk in group stage and being a liability when it was time to face men.

I repeat. The reason you have to have been a man to speak with any authority about 2012 is because it was a bus parking exercise throughout and children will not appreciate that every second of those matches carry tactical and defensive responsibility which Mata wasn't meeting. Children only remember attacking highlights. Men take cognisance of everytime someone is beaten, overpowered or overloaded on their wing, couldn't press quick enough etc which led to dangerous situations and Mata was guilty throughout which is why RDM had to haul him off early for Kalou who could cope better.

I watched that very tournament from the scratch and there's nothing you can gist me about.

Absolutely nothing.

Immediately after Benfica, Chelsea parked the bus till the last minute of that tournament.

No creativity, no good football, nothing nothing.

Just gbao voom kpuaa all through. Because Mata wasn't your typical Chelsea kind of player who's too physical shouldn't give you a reason to count him off. Stats had it that without penalties, no midfielder contributed more than him.

Group games were very tough, very very tough. From Valencia to Leverkusen. I watched them all, no dey count those games off ffs.

Only Barcelona games were tougher and more tasking which Chelsea won by kpoom kpoom kpoom konja way!

Even that Napoli's second leg came as unexpected, nobody alive believed we'll come out of that game.

What and how many attacking impact did the rest midfielders contribute after the Napoli's game. Aside the careless assist Lampard gave Ramirez, what did they do against Barcelona and Bayern? Lying flat in box 18 to defend?

Smh! Na Mou dey cause all these, any midfielder wey no dey play like Sissoko Na flop for una eyes. Stat no even matter for una.

E say make I State my age

I'm 53, can I keep responding?

Ibime:


5 names standout from that campaign. Cech and Drogba first and foremost, but Mikel, Ramires and Lampard join the elite 5 who were the main men in that campaign.

After that in the 2nd bracket, we have Ivanovic in a class of his own for his exploits against Napoli and general solidity and then we have Cole, Cahill and Luiz who defended manfully against the odds.

3rd bracket we have Meireles and Bosingwa that contributed greatly at the key moments vs Barcelona

And then we have Terry, Torres and Mata towing last, especially Mata.

And special mention to substitutes like Kalou who performed well defensively when brought on to fix Mata's leaking wing.

The performance of Cole vs Bayern and Barca where he faced Messi and Robben pushed him into the first category for me. I never knew Cole could do those type of "die there" defending that I saw in 2012 knockout. I think Ramires missed the final

That was why my top 5 were Cech, Drogba Lampard Cole and Ivanovic in that order

NextD18:

This is actually coming from your personal hate for Mata which I understand because it's not easy to withstand seeing a player you hate win best player for a team you support.

Mata got the stat in that tournament.

Okay fine, you ain't a fan of stat but other contributions which is okay, that one no do you.

Then you resorted into saying we should judge our UCL victory from Napoli's second leg? Like, wtf! We should count off 7 games just to suit you?

How tough was our QF games against Benfica that we should count off our group's games before judging players? Was is tougher than the game Leverkusen won Chelsea with a late strike?

How many games did we even win in the group for you to think it was easy for Chelsea then?

Mata is good, he bodied all our midfielders in that Ucl. Whatever happened or still happening with him and ManU isn't my business.

He has paid his dues for Chelsea.

The statement in bold shows you dont remember much from that season

You won the away leg 1-0 and was tied 1-1 in the home leg until the 93rd min winner by Mereiles

NextD18:

I watched that very tournament from the scratch and there's nothing you can gist be about.

Absolutely nothing.

Immediately after Benfica, Chelsea parked the bus till the last minute of that tournament.

No creativity, no good football, nothing nothing.

Just gbao voom kpuaa all through. Because Mata wasn't your typical Chelsea kind of player who's too physical shouldn't give you a reason to count him off. Stats had it that without penalties, no midfielder contributed more than him.

Group games were very tough, very very tough. From Valencia to Leverkusen. I watched them all, no dey count those games off ffs.

Only Barcelona games were tougher and more tasking which Chelsea won by kpoom kpoom kpoom konja way!

Even that Napoli's second leg came as unexpected, nobody alive believed we'll come out of that game.

What and how many attacking impact did the rest midfielders contribute after the Napoli's game. Aside the careless assist Lampard gave Ramirez, what did they do against Barcelona and Bayern? Lying flat in box 18 to defend?

Smh! Na Mou dey cause all these, any midfielder wey no dey play like Sissoko Na flop for una eyes. Stat no even matter for una.

Good. Since you know that it was bus parking from start to finish, tell me what Mata has to contribute to that?

I'm not here to argue about Mata the player. His career speaks for itself, but you will not come and tell us nonsense about who was important in our UCL victory. We were parking bus, and Mata couldn't cope, nor did he have the legs or speed to make any attacking impact from a deep position. Even the passes to Ramires for both goals we scored on counterattack vs Barca came from Lampard. Of what use is a Mata in a team that kept 20% possession? He did not fit, he was causing us defensive issues, and Kalou was a massive improvement on him when he was hauled off for the task at hand, which was working hard and defending well. Mata was absolutely redundant in that system. You can blame the system but facts are facts, and the facts are he was a liability to what won us the UCL.

Simple fact, he was useless in that UCL campaign. Go and celebrate his assists in Group stage against Genk elsewhere. We are here to talk about who was consequential in the UCL victory not who assisted in a 5-0 win vs Genk.

raumdeuter:


The statement in bold shows you dont remember much from that season

You won the away leg 1-0 and was tied 1-1 in the home leg until the 93rd min winner by Mereiles

Be honest, will you compare any of those games to Leverkusen's game we lost?

Be very honest.

CapitalCee:


Mata scored the decisive away goal versus Napoli, and assisted in the final thats his role. Ballack missed a sitter in the final and was not effective. You are blaming terry that kept Chelsea in the game. If Ballack had kept his shots on target and did not drift in and out of games, perhaps he would have won UCL

What was decisive about scoring 1 goal in a 3-1 away loss. That main work was done in the return leg

NextD18:

Be honest, will you compare any of those games to Leverkusen's game we lost?

Be very honest.

What is the importance of the Leverkusen game you lost? Will it stop you from qualifying?. You lost yet topped the group

Ibime:


Good. Since you know that it was bus parking from start to finish, tell me what Mata has to contribute to that?

I'm not here to argue about Mata the player. His career speaks for itself, but you will not come and tell us nonsense about who was important in our UCL victory. We were parking bus, and Mata couldn't cope, nor did he have the legs or speed to make any attacking impact from a deep position. Even the passes to Ramires for both goals we scored on counterattack vs Barca came from Lampard. Of what use is a Mata in a team that kept 20% possession? He did not fit, he was causing us defensive issues, and Kalou was a massive improvement on him when he was hauled off for the task at hand, which was working hard and defending well. Mata was absolutely redundant in that system. You can blame the system but facts are facts, and the facts are he was a liability to what won us the UCL.

Simple fact, he was useless in that UCL campaign. Go and celebrate his assists in Group stage against Genk elsewhere. We are here to talk about who was consequential in the UCL victory not who assisted in a 5-0 win vs Genk.

Lampards pass to Ramires to square for Drogba in the first leg or Lampard at Nou Camp which was better?

Nextd18 Do you think its easy playing Barcelona 2 goals down and 1 man down at Nou Camp? Peak Barcelona

Ibime:


Good. Since you know that it was bus parking from start to finish, tell me what Mata has to contribute to that?

I'm not here to argue about Matas the player. His career speaks for itself, but you will not come and tell us nonsense about who was important in our UCL victory. We were parking bus, and Mara couldn't cope, nor did he have the legs or speed to make any attacking impact from a deep position. Even the passes to Ramires for both goals we scored on counterattack vs Barca came from Lampard. Of what use is a Mata in a team that kept 20% possession?

Simple fact, he was useless in that UCL campaign. Go and celebrate his assists in Group stage against Genk elsewhere. We are here to talk about who was consequential in the UCL victory not who assisted in a 5-0 win vs Genk.

I said immediately after Benfica's game.

Immediately after that game, all Chelsea midfielders became very useless in their primary duties and resorted to defending.

Mata had an assist in the finals.
Lampard got one against Barca
Ramirez got a goal and an asist against Barcelona.

Where was the rest midfielders?

Aside Ramirez, the rest aforementioned midfielders were even defensively useless.

Remove penalties and you'll see that Lampard was the most useless midfielder in that tournament. 3 goals, 3 assists, 2 penalties, if not 3 sef. How well did he defend?

I might pick Ramirez over Mata in that tournament, aside him, no other midfielder comes close.

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You are now doing shalaye which you never did when i showed that Thiago Silva outperformed Boathand in UCL last season according to Squawka.

Show me Debruyne or Ballack's world cup, like you always asked about Silva's.?

Ballack did not cost his team the trophy, Thiago Silva did

raumdeuter:


The performance of Cole vs Bayern and Barca where he faced Messi and Robben pushed him into the first category for me. I never knew Cole could do those type of "die there" defending that I saw in 2012 knockout. I think Ramires missed the final

That was why my top 5 were Cech, Drogba Lampard Cole and Ivanovic in that order

Ramires scored and assisted in the semi vs Barca. Without Ramires, we won't be talking of facing Bayern.

The players we mentioned here are the key players but Mikel was also key in relieving pressure. Mikel bought a lot of players time to rest in Bayern and Barca game by keeping ball in tight areas under pressure which is his most prominent skill. Without Mikel keeping ball at key times, our other players would have gassed out cos the workload was too much.

All the players above will be mentioned but no one will EVER EVER mention Mata as important unless they were a child or only watched highlights here and there.

raumdeuter:


What is the importance of the Leverkusen game you lost? Will it stop you from qualifying?. You lost yet topped the group

Leverkusen loss had us in trouble into the last game which was against Valencia.

We lost in the extra time and had only an option which was to win Valencia to qualify. The game was very important to ease the stress and tension for us but we lost it, which made us hope on winning that last game.

If you watched that game, you go know say Benfica's game na beans.

NextD18:

I said immediately after Benfica's game.

Immediately after that game, all Chelsea midfielders became very useless in their primary duties and resorted to defending.

Mata had an assist in the finals.
Lampard got one against Barca
Ramirez got a goal and an asist against Barcelona.

Where was the rest midfielders?

Aside Ramirez, the rest aforementioned midfielders were even defensively useless.

Remove penalties and you'll see that Lampard was the most useless midfielder in that tournament. 3 goals, 3 assists, 2 penalties, if not 3 sef. How well did he defend?

I might pick Ramirez over Mata in that tournament, aside him, no other midfielder comes close.

Then you are very myopic and talking absolute nonsense of kpoli grade

Mikel, Lampard, Meireles worked their socks off while Mata couldn't cope and was being dragged off for Kalou early in games.

Vs Barcelona first leg, Lampard robbed Messi on a dribble in midfield and played a visionary ball to Ramires on the left wing to cross for Drogba. This is what made the goal, a combination of hustle and vision. Men remember these details while children just reel off nonsense stats vs Genk from Wikipedia. Watch it.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vnbuZUfTNI


2nd leg, he did not just assist Ramires cos someone gave him ball, he robbed Xavi on a dribble to play in Ramires. That's the combination of work and vision these guys were putting in while Mata was causing dangerous overloads and weakness on his side and was a nonentity both attacking and defensive wise.

Both those goals which took us through vs Barca were made by Lampards hustle and vision.

Lampard missed the whole group stage cos he was fighting with AVB, otherwise you won't be bringing Matas inconsequential stats racked up against Genk here

Just keep quiet about Mata in that UCL run. He was a nonentity, and you are just exposing either your age or cluelessness by continuing to push his importance. Someone we celebrated when Kalou was being readied to replace him cos he couldn't cope.

Ibime:


Then you are very myopic and talking absolute nonsense of kpoli grade

Mikel, Lampard, Meireles worked their socks off while Mata couldn't cope and was being dragged off for Kalou early in games.

Vs Barcelona first leg, Lampard robbed Messi on a dribble in midfield and played a visionary ball to Ramires on the left wing to cross for Drogba. This is what made the goal, a combination of hustle and vision. Men remember these details while children just reel off nonsense stats vs Genk from Wikipedia. Watch it.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vnbuZUfTNI


2nd leg, he did not just assist Ramires cos someone gave him ball, he robbed Xavi on a dribble to play in Ramires. That's the combination of work and vision these guys were putting in while Mata was causing dangerous overloads and weakness on his side and was a nonentity both attacking and defensive wise.

Both those goals which took us through vs Barca were made by Lampards hustle and vision.

Lampard missed the whole group stage cos he was fighting with AVB, otherwise you won't be bringing Matas inconsequential stats racked up against Genk here

Just keep quiet about Mata in that UCL run. He was a nonentity, and you are just exposing either your age or cluelessness by continuing to push his importance. Someone we celebrated when Kalou was being readied to replace him cos he couldn't cope.

Shiit upon shiit!
Nothing new, just rinsing and repeating.

Out of all UCL games, this is the best rubbish you could bring, Lampard dispossessing Messi? What an achievement!

Mata statistically bodied Lampard in the UCL that season, in the Epl, Fa Cup and won the best player of the season.

Feel free to brag about being 75 years, the fact remains that Mata your nightmare bodied Lampard in all competitions that season. It's a fact your hate for Mata can't change.

And for your info, Ramirez and Drogba's attacking prowess helped qualified us against Barcelona, not Lampard. Mikel, Ramirez and Mata were all better midfielders than that fraud you call Lampard. Him and Terry were just overrated that season due to past glories. Bye!!!

It was my birthday and spent a good part of it ice skating under a beautiful winter weather.

Nothing beats nature.

NextD18:

Shiit upon shiit!
Nothing new, just rinsing and repeating.

Out of all UCL games, this is the best rubbish you could bring, Lampard dispossessing Messi.

Mata statistically bodied Lampard in the UCL that season, in the Epl, Fa Cup and won the best player of the season.

Feel free to brag about being 75 years, the fact remains that Mata your nightmare bodied Lampard in all competitions that season. It's a fact your hate for Mata can't change.

And for your info, Ramirez and Drogba's attacking prowess helped qualified us against Barcelona, not Lampard. Mike, Ramirez and Mata were all better midfielders than that fraud you call Lampard. Him and Terry were just overrated that season. Bye!!!

Look at you ranting emotionally after being soundly schooled on the uselessness of Mata in the UCL campaign.

You've started talking nonsense now. Nobody was arguing with you about Mata's season but his importance in the UCL run.

We've come down to the crunch of the big games against Napoli, Barca, Bayern and shown the important players contribution and you have nothing to say about Matas except regurgitate the same Wikipedia nonsense about his goals and assists in Group stage and league which was not the topic of discussion.

Mata was a nonentity in 2012 UCL win. Go and choke on it. And since you want to throw your toys out the pram, go and sück the Manure flops dick in Manchester.

FBS:
It was my birthday and spent a good part of it ice skating under a beautiful winter weather.

Nothing beats nature.

Happy birthday bros

NextD18:

Shiit upon shiit!

This actually got me LOL.