rvp20182:
The difference is now minimal. You just need to look at videos. Picture test. Nairobi is growing very fast.

High rises - Nairobi I believe will overtake Joburg very very soon if it hasn't already.

Roads.
By next year - with completion of Nairobi Expresseway - Valley Road/Upperhill expansion with interchanges - Western By-Pass - James Gichuru-Rironi - the expansion of Eastern and Northern by-passes- the road infrastructure will be a few notches below Joburg. From there - I can only think about expanding very few roads - Kiambu, Limuru, Kamiti,Kangundo, maybe ABC - through Lavington. Nairobi would be there in roads.

BRT - we are getting about 60Km of BRT next year

Light rail - we have decent old MGR line that is being modernized - if we get more DMUs - we would be about there.
Nairobi Railway City - and in the future - a proper light rail - will nail it.

Nairobi is fixing the water problem - at least huge part - with completion of Nairobi North Collector project. Sewage still is a problem.

Telecommunication - broadband - and likes - Nairobi has already overtaken Joburg.

Also if we get housing fixed - with social housing to replace slums and old estates - then Nairobi will be untouchable in Sub-Saharan Africa - South Africans will be come to see a modern city

As for Nairobi metro - there is huge infrastructure deficit there - it will be another 10-15yrs before Nairobi metro compete with Gauteng.

Kenyans have tried their best to build real estate - but paved roads are lacking, sewage system absent, water mostly boreholes, and there is no railway and mass transport - we need to invest heavily in Nairobi Metro - because those county gov cannot prioritize Nairobi metro over rural areas of the counties.

I heard, 60% of Kenyans live in those terrible slum apartment at Eastlands



That is really depressing

Goel:

Indians at least have balls to try to be in competition, are dependent upon themselves for such things and even create world class products sometimes. What most African countries have achieved so far?

Just say you dont know much about Africa

The double deckers you see in London are produce by an Egyptian company( either Egypt or Morocco ) ive forgotton.
India has nothing on African countries

rvp20182:
You perform worst than South Africa - which has horrible education standards except for a few great universities.
That shows Ghana education is totally crap.

yes we did

Yet we are still the best from Africa


Kenya did not even qualify from East Africa

Justnotyou:


We already discussed this previously, Johannesburg's gdp ppp isn't useful a measure when compared to the nominal gdp of Nairobi.

Guateng's gdp is realistically at or around 90 to 150, billion dollars. Admittedly within range of Kenya's GDP.

Nairobi & Johannesburg unlike your previous assertions are within the same range on paper, there is no need for Nairobi to catch up.

Guateng>> Johannesburg or Nairobi, Johannesburg= Nairobi, get it? When it comes to infrastructure they're quite similar already. you had the total paved roads of Johannesburg at >9000km & according to this account bellow Nairobi is already at >7000 km of paved roads, there is a functional metro rail system that's currently getting upgraded in nairobi while you have your guatrain, joburg guys have the city deep dry port while Nairobi has a dry port, Brt system is on course in nairobi while it's present in joburg, add other amenities that are only accessible to one, Nairobi has a National Park, Nairobi is the most dynamic city in Africa.

The only way you're having a debate is on which is better, & we'll rationally get to

Joburg wealth> Nairobi wealth
Joburg gdp nominal= or slightly> Nairobi metro gdp nominal
Joburg gdp per capita nominal> Nairobi MgdpPc
Nairobi metro dry port complex> city deep
guatrain> Nairobi metrorail
Joburg roads> Nairobi roads
Joburg retail space = or slightly > Nairobi retail space
Joburg real-estate= or slightly > Nairobi estate
Nairobi recreational space> joburg recreational space
Education Joburg= or slightly> Nairobi
Security Nairobi> Joburg
Dynamic Nairobi> Joburg
Healthcare Nairobi> Joburg
Health facilities Joburg> Nairobi
QOL Joburg> Nairobi
Skyline Nairobi> Joburg imo
Skyscraper/high-rise Joburg> Nairobi
Nightlife Joburg= or slightly > Nairobi

They're not that distant from each other, just one might seem a lil more impressive for now.

It was nominal gdp vs nominal gdp.......

-Paved road network Johannesburg 9000 + 3600 + sanral(not sure the length but near 1000km) vs Nairobi (not verifiable) your pic doesn't say its for Nairobi

- Johannesburg has the Gautrain, Metro rail, BRT system as well has the largest airport in Africa

- Johannesburg gdp Nominal: $76 billion vs $20 billion for Nairobi.... That's not slightly

- city deep port is Africas largest dry port > Nairobi metro dry port

- gautrain and metro rail> Nairobi metro rail

- South Africa has the 6th highest retail space in the world.... I'm sure Johannesburg alone has more retail space than the entire Kenya....

- Dar es salaam real estate value > Nairobi..... Never mind Joburg

- Johannesburg has more and bigger sport stadium, more theaters, more shopping centers, more golf courses.... Johannesburg definitely beats Nairobi wrt recreational facilities...

- Health care certainly goes to Johannesburg..... Don't even know how you can even think Nairobi has better health care...

Justnotyou:


Nairobi County.

Nairobi metro city is far larger & has a gdp that's around 40-50 billion $

Then compare it with Gauteng province

rvp20182:
Nairobi Eastland - this is where Nairobi lower middle class live in. Has more high or low rises than any Africa city outside Cairo in my view


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6sDvFOmus8o

But in reality Johannesburg has the most after Cairo

68816419:

Same way you could tour the entire Nairobi CBD, Upperhill, west land in less than 5 munites

5 minutes? You don't mean it?

rvp20182:
The difference is now minimal. You just need to look at videos. Picture test. Nairobi is growing very fast.

High rises - Nairobi I believe will overtake Joburg very very soon if it hasn't already.

Roads.
By next year - with completion of Nairobi Expresseway - Valley Road/Upperhill expansion with interchanges - Western By-Pass - James Gichuru-Rironi - the expansion of Eastern and Northern by-passes- the road infrastructure will be a few notches below Joburg. From there - I can only think about expanding very few roads - Kiambu, Limuru, Kamiti,Kangundo, maybe ABC - through Lavington. Nairobi would be there in roads.

BRT - we are getting about 60Km of BRT next year

Light rail - we have decent old MGR line that is being modernized - if we get more DMUs - we would be about there.
Nairobi Railway City - and in the future - a proper light rail - will nail it.

Nairobi is fixing the water problem - at least huge part - with completion of Nairobi North Collector project. Sewage still is a problem.

Telecommunication - broadband - and likes - Nairobi has already overtaken Joburg.

Also if we get housing fixed - with social housing to replace slums and old estates - then Nairobi will be untouchable in Sub-Saharan Africa - South Africans will be come to see a modern city

As for Nairobi metro - there is huge infrastructure deficit there - it will be another 10-15yrs before Nairobi metro compete with Gauteng.

Kenyans have tried their best to build real estate - but paved roads are lacking, sewage system absent, water mostly boreholes, and there is no railway and mass transport - we need to invest heavily in Nairobi Metro - because those county gov cannot prioritize Nairobi metro over rural areas of the counties.

- Johannesburg has more skyscrapers and as I proved before Nairobi would not even overtake Johannesburg if we include projects under construction or proposed

- The road network in Gauteng alone is more than the entire Kenya

- All SA's major cities have BRT systems

- How has Nairobi overtaken Johannesburg wrt telecommunication?

jl115:

It was nominal gdp vs nominal gdp.......

-Paved road network Johannesburg 9000 + 3600 + sanral(not sure the length but near 1000km) vs Nairobi (not verifiable) your pic doesn't say its for Nairobi

- Johannesburg has the Gautrain, Metro rail, BRT system as well has the largest airport in Africa

- Johannesburg gdp Nominal: $76 billion vs $20 billion for Nairobi.... That's not slightly

- city deep port is Africas largest dry port > Nairobi metro dry port

- gautrain and metro rail> Nairobi metro rail

- South Africa has the 6th highest retail space in the world.... I'm sure Johannesburg alone has more retail space than the entire Kenya....

- Dar es salaam real estate value > Nairobi..... Never mind Joburg

- Johannesburg has more and bigger sport stadium, more theaters, more shopping centers, more golf courses.... Johannesburg definitely beats Nairobi wrt recreational facilities...

- Health care certainly goes to Johannesburg..... Don't even know how you can even think Nairobi has better health care...

-You compared Johannesburg GDP to Kenya's saying it was larger, before quoting the 76 billion $ figure.

-My pic is actually far more reliable than your quoted figures.

-Having the largest airport doesn't mean sh@t JKIA is ranked #38 globally by https://www.airhelp.com/en-gb/airhelp-score/airport-ranking/

-Joburg gdp is only slightly > than Nairobi metros gdp get the facts right next time.

-city deep was the largest dry port in the 1970s not now also I included the metro & complex for a reason, naivasha has another dry port.

- no argument there I even had >

- post the Johannesburg retail space figure instead.

- Dar isn't Johannesburg, & value isn't = real estate. Also the analysis was flawed in that research.

- Joburg has bigger stadiums yes but Nairobi has more recreational spaces... Get it

- South africa is among the last countries in health care rankings so joburg can't compete, health-care is not = to health facilities. You're literally accountable for creating an incurable covid-19 strand, you let HIV devastate your entire country, you'll be very lucky if you get to see 60...

jl115:
Then compare it with Gauteng province

There is no need for that right now maybe in 10 years time.

Kenya Vs Guateng would be more fun.

SOUTH AFRICA LEADS THE WORLD!!!!!!!WE RULE THE WORLD!!!!Live with that Nairaland black HATERS!!!

rvp20182:
The difference is now minimal. You just need to look at videos. Picture test. Nairobi is growing very fast.

High rises - Nairobi I believe will overtake Joburg very very soon if it hasn't already.

Roads.
By next year - with completion of Nairobi Expresseway - Valley Road/Upperhill expansion with interchanges - Western By-Pass - James Gichuru-Rironi - the expansion of Eastern and Northern by-passes- the road infrastructure will be a few notches below Joburg. From there - I can only think about expanding very few roads - Kiambu, Limuru, Kamiti,Kangundo, maybe ABC - through Lavington. Nairobi would be there in roads.

BRT - we are getting about 60Km of BRT next year

Light rail - we have decent old MGR line that is being modernized - if we get more DMUs - we would be about there.
Nairobi Railway City - and in the future - a proper light rail - will nail it.

Nairobi is fixing the water problem - at least huge part - with completion of Nairobi North Collector project. Sewage still is a problem.

Telecommunication - broadband - and likes - Nairobi has already overtaken Joburg.

Also if we get housing fixed - with social housing to replace slums and old estates - then Nairobi will be untouchable in Sub-Saharan Africa - South Africans will be come to see a modern city

As for Nairobi metro - there is huge infrastructure deficit there - it will be another 10-15yrs before Nairobi metro compete with Gauteng.

Kenyans have tried their best to build real estate - but paved roads are lacking, sewage system absent, water mostly boreholes, and there is no railway and mass transport - we need to invest heavily in Nairobi Metro - because those county gov cannot prioritize Nairobi metro over rural areas of the counties.

I agree there is need & room for improvement, for now joburg Vs Nairobi is strictly based on preference or opinion there is no greater city, just maybe a better one... It isn't a Goliath Vs David story as jln115 would like to put it.

AmenhotepZuid:
SOUTH AFRICA LEADS THE WORLD!!!!!!!WE RULE THE WORLD!!!!Live with that Nairaland black HATERS!!!

OH you've finally switched your TV on, congratulations bro.

JOBURG'S GDP IS GROWING EVERY YEAR AND IS BIGGER THAN MANY AFRICAN COUNTRIES. FACT!!!!!!

jl115:


- Johannesburg has more skyscrapers and as I proved before Nairobi would not even overtake Johannesburg if we include projects under construction or proposed

- The road network in Gauteng alone is more than the entire Kenya

- All SA's major cities have BRT systems

- How has Nairobi overtaken Johannesburg wrt telecommunication?

Assumptions won't help you, are you sure guateng has a road network of > 160,000 km

Just40:
I heard, 60% of Kenyans live in those terrible slum apartment at Eastlands



That is really depressing

You're either a good troll or a really unfortunate ret@rd.

60% of Kenyans can't live in slums if 70% are rural.

SOUTH AFRICA HAS ALOT OF RICH BILLIOANAIRES LIVING OUTSIDE SA THE "RICHEST DOCTOR IN THE WORLD" PORT ELIZABETH, EASTERN CAPE, SOUTH AFRICAN BORN DR PATRICK SOON SHIONG. The likes of OLD NATHAN KIRSH....AND MANY MORE.

Inside AFRICA in 2021 other African BILLIONAIRES are closing the gap between them and 1 Dangote the FACE OF THE ZOO. SOON HES GOING TO BE A "HAS BEEN". WATCH THE SPACE!!!!!!! Dangote's SMALL CHICKEN CHANGE CROWN is in DANGER, SOUTH AFRICAN are gunning for that number 1 spot. WE RULE THE WORLD WE MIGHT WANT TO MAKE AFRICA OURS!!!!!RULE AFRICA AS WELL!!!Why not?

Justnotyou:


You're either a good troll or a really unfortunate ret@rd.

60% of Kenyans can't live in slums if 70% are rural.

This is not trolling and stop being retarded


But Eastland is a whole slum of crappy apartment

Your own fellow citizen said 60% of people in Nairobi live in this slum


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6sDvFOmus8o

https://www.forbes.com/africa-billionaires/list/#tab:overall

SA and EGYPT have 5 BILLIONAIRES each the Zoo has 3. THEY ARE GOING DOWN EVERYDAY

Just40:

This is not trolling and stop being retarded


But Eastland is a whole slum of crappy apartment

Your own fellow citizen said 60% of people in Nairobi live in this slum


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6sDvFOmus8o

Just40

@AustinZA, AndrewZA etc...HUNGRY KENYANS are pushing it!!!!

yeah

the kenyans got me ban because i talked about their indian overlords yesterday

Appisko:


Just40

Just40:
yeah

the kenyans got me ban because i talked about their indian overlords yesterday

I think I need to creat 2nd Vankelvin account cos I was banned last Sunday around 7pm that's why I couldn't comment throughout the daytime yesterday.

Justnotyou:


Assumptions won't help you, are you sure guateng has a road network of > 160,000 km

Paved road network, we've been talking about paved road network...........and yes its more than Kenya

Justnotyou:


There is no need for that right now maybe in 10 years time.

Kenya Vs Guateng would be more fun.

Probably a bit longer than that

vankelvin:


5 minutes? You don't mean it?

At max

Obakillah:


Where are your school buses? Are you ever on point?

Tanzania isn't a shithole,we are dealing with electrified trains not school buses.We have passed that level of posting a school bus

University of Dar es salaam libraries

Biggest university library in africa

Pictures of your apartments; Nairobi leads I bet by far.

jl115:
But in reality Johannesburg has the most after Cairo

Most modern cities have such apartments; TO AVOID WEST AFRICA URBAN SPRAWL OF low rises slums.
These apartments mean everyone in Nairobi is not so far from CBD and their place of work.
And we are just started. Nairobi need a million units of such high rise apartments.

Just40:
I heard, 60% of Kenyans live in those terrible slum apartment at Eastlands



That is really depressing