RightChannel:


Which google did I screenshot? Hope your sight organ is not malfunctioning? I gave you what Britannica Encyclopedia says, you called it google screenshot make use of your eyes effectively please

I hate when people read my posts and not read btw the lines. Go back and read again. I have no time for linguistic analysis

RightChannel:
You don't assume, that's the meaning of the term Messiah..

John 3:16

"For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.

To save the world, to save humanity..

I have much to say about this verse that Christians throw around out of context everytime. But I am just gonna tell you that this verse is restricted to the Jews because Jesus message was not extended to the gentiles. He was sent ONLY to the lost sheep of Israel


These twelve Jesus sent out with the following instructions: "Do not go among the Gentiles or enter any town of the Samaritans. ◄ Matthew 10:5 ►

So matthew refute John

RightChannel:








Point of Correction, The name MESSIAH is only. Attributed or given to Jesus Christ alone, I asked you to give just a verse where Muhammad was refer to as Messiah by his own god allah but you haven't done that yet.

I quoted SEVEN QURANIC VERSES where allah refer or named Jesus as Messiah, quote just a verse where the same name was given to Muhammad but you're dodging the question

Give us evidence messiah only refers to Jesus?. Your problem is your Bible translations. That's how you guys are confused. I don't care about encyclopedia britannica and whatever. People wrote those things. We use QUR'AN as standard and criterion to decipher facts.

Messiah is hebrew word for anointed

haekymbahd:
it is normal if I have different view with him the most important is one must be ready to learn I am willing to learn if I am wrong.
I guess you should settle your view of Holy Spirit with the Unitarian Christians e.g Jehovah's witnesses and those who support and are against the view of speaking in tongues before sharing your view here...

Bros, if you're willing to learn you should subdue yourself, you don't argue and you don't bring up another confusing part that will still convince you the more

haekymbahd:

By the way you quoted
John 14:26

But the Helper , the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you.


But hope you know Angels are also to as holy spirits in the Bible

You're wrong, ANGELS ARE NOT HOLY SPIRIT, ANYTHING SPIRIT IS UNSEEN, but on many occasions People do see Angels with their naked eyes

Isaiah 63:10-12
But they rebelled, and vexed his holy Spirit: therefore he was turned to be their enemy, and he fought against them.Then he remembered the days of old, Moses, and his people, saying, Where is he that brought them up out of the sea with the shepherd of his flock? where is he that put his holy Spirit within him?That led them by the right hand of Moses with his glorious arm, dividing the water before them, to make himself an everlasting name? -

Exodus 23:20-23

Let me now express that here
Behold, I send an Angel before thee, to keep thee in the way, and to bring thee into the place which I have prepared.Beware of him, and obey his voice, provoke him not; for he will not pardon your transgressions: for my name is in him.But if thou shalt indeed obey his voice, and do all that I speak; then I will be an enemy unto thine enemies, and an adversary unto thine adversaries.For mine Angel shall go before thee, and bring thee in unto the Amorites, and the Hittites, and the Perizzites, and the Canaanites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites: and I will cut them off. -
Remember, only the holy spirit will not forgive when angered. We can clearly see that the holy spirit is indeed an angel.

Don't misinterpret the Bible

Mathew 12:31


Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Spirit shall not be forgiven unto men.


Holy Spirit and Angels are NOT the same, their roles are different, it's only sin against the Holy Spirit that is unforgiving, Holy Spirit is NOT an angering Spirit. From the verse you qouted above, it is Angel Micheal that is at work over there

Empiree:
Give us evidence messiah only refers to Jesus?. Your problem is your Bible translations. That's how you guys are confused. I don't care about encyclopedia britannica and whatever. People wrote those things. We use QUR'AN as standard and criterion to decipher facts.

Messiah is hebrew word for anointed

I've done that with your brother haekymbahd, I gave him SEVEN QURANIC VERSES as evidence that ONLY JESUS CHRIST is refer to as MESSIAH.

If you use Quran as standard and criterion to decipher facts then you shouldn't be giving yourself unnecessary headache because throughout the quran NO WHERE IT IS WRITTEN THAT MUHAMMAD IS YOUR MESSIAH

Should I share the link with you?

RightChannel:


I've done that with your brother haekymbahd, I gave him SEVEN QURANIC VERSES as evidence that ONLY JESUS CHRIST is refer to as MESSIAH.

If you use Quran as standard and criterion to decipher facts then you shouldn't be giving yourself unnecessary headache because throughout the quran NO WHERE IT IS WRITTEN THAT MUHAMMAD IS YOUR MESSIAH

Should I share the link with you?

I have told you that Messiah means anointed'or chosen. All prophets were chosen for their people except prophet muhammad who was chosen for the whole world. I know QUR'AN used messiah for Jesus but it is just a coined word from hebrew language. How's that special?.. Jesus was only jewish messiah. Not to you. You are African. So you can see that Messiah does not mean savior in Islam.

You are not making valid case

RightChannel:


NO WHERE IT IS WRITTEN THAT MUHAMMAD IS YOUR MESSIAH

Should I share the link with you?

Messiah is chosen or anointed'. Hence, prophet muhammad SAW was a chosen Prophet for all mankind


"And the one(Muhammad) who has brought the truth(QUR'AN) and those who embrace it—it is they who are the righteous. Q39:33



"We have sent you forth as nothing but mercy to people of the whole world." (21:107)



“Blessed is He Who sent down the Furqan (The Distinction of right and wrong) upon His servant that he may be a Warner to the worlds;” Sura Al-Furqan vs 1

RightChannel:


I've done that with your brother haekymbahd, I gave him SEVEN QURANIC VERSES as evidence that ONLY JESUS CHRIST is refer to as MESSIAH.

If you use Quran as standard and criterion to decipher facts then you shouldn't be giving yourself unnecessary headache because throughout the quran NO WHERE IT IS WRITTEN THAT MUHAMMAD IS YOUR MESSIAH

Should I share the link with you?

Mathew 4

6 And he said to Him, If You are the Son of God, throw Yourself down; for it is written, He will give His angels charge over you, and they will bear you up on their hands, lest you strike your foot against a stone.

7Jesus said to him, [e]On the other hand, it is written also, You shall not tempt, [f]test thoroughly, or [g]try exceedingly the Lord your God.(E)


Do u agree that this verse talks about the messiah

Psalm 91
11 For He will give His angels [especial] charge over you to accompany and defend and preserve you in all your ways [of obedience and service].

12 They shall bear you up on their hands, lest you dash your foot against a stone.
14 Because he has set his love upon Me, therefore will I deliver him; I will set him on high, because he knows and understands My name [has a personal knowledge of My mercy, love, and kindness--trusts and relies on Me, knowing I will never forsake him, no, never].

15 He shall call upon Me, and I will answer him; I will be with him in trouble, I will deliver him and honor him.

16 With long life will I satisfy him and show him My salvation.


Allah SWT said:

"Then We will save our messengers and those who have believed. Thus, it is an obligation upon Us that We save the believers"
(QS. Yunus 10: Verse 103)

* Via Qur'an English http://quran-en.com


Question: who can give messiah salvation....

haekymbahdx:
You didn't list Elohim too what does it means

You want me to spoonfeed all through?

I guess the idol worshippers of Israel also call God Eli how do you distinguish the Eli of Jesus to Eli of the idol worshippers..

Diversion tactic won't work. The bone of contention is Allah is not God, Allah is the pagan idol of the Quraysh

What is the difference between Eli and Elohim

I'll answer you if answer my questions that you've been dodging since:

At what point did the gospel get lost

What is the name of the idol that Abdulmuttalib served

Who did Abdulmuttalib sacrifice 100 camels to to ransom the life of Abdullah

Muhammad was said to have become a prophet at the age of 40 and the Quran said Muhammad was lost. Which god was muhammad serving for the first 40 years of his life and why did the Quran says that Muhammad was lost before he was later guided?

Answer all these and I'll answer your questions too

haekymbahd:

Mathew 4

6 And he said to Him, If You are the Son of God, throw Yourself down; for it is written, He will give His angels charge over you, and they will bear you up on their hands, lest you strike your foot against a stone.

7Jesus said to him, [e]On the other hand, it is written also, You shall not tempt, [f]test thoroughly, or [g]try exceedingly the Lord your God.(E)


Do u agree that this verse talks about the messiah

Are you looking for how to escape my question?

Satan tempted Jesus Christ has nothing to do with the question I asked you.

haekymbahd:



Psalm 91
11 For He will give His angels [especial] charge over you to accompany and defend and preserve you in all your ways [of obedience and service].

12 They shall bear you up on their hands, lest you dash your foot against a stone.
14 Because he has set his love upon Me, therefore will I deliver him; I will set him on high, because he knows and understands My name [has a personal knowledge of My mercy, love, and kindness--trusts and relies on Me, knowing I will never forsake him, no, never].

15 He shall call upon Me, and I will answer him; I will be with him in trouble, I will deliver him and honor him.

16 With long life will I satisfy him and show him My salvation.


Allah SWT said:

"Then We will save our messengers and those who have believed. Thus, it is an obligation upon Us that We save the believers"
(QS. Yunus 10: Verse 103)

* Via Qur'an English http://quran-en.com


Question: who can give messiah salvation....

See question, who can give messiah salvation Jesus Christ himself is the SALVATION, his name is salvation, come to him and you'll be save

Empiree:
Messiah is chosen or anointed'. Hence, prophet muhammad SAW was a chosen Prophet for all mankind


"And the one(Muhammad) who has brought the truth(QUR'AN) and those who embrace it—it is they who are the righteous. Q39:33



"We have sent you forth as nothing but mercy to people of the whole world." (21:107)



“Blessed is He Who sent down the Furqan (The Distinction of right and wrong) upon His servant that he may be a Warner to the worlds;” Sura Al-Furqan vs 1

I will ask you another question again, WAS MUHAMMAD ANOINTED TO BE YOUR PROPHET? Just answer Yes or NO

Empiree:
I have told you that Messiah means anointed'or chosen. All prophets were chosen for their people except prophet muhammad who was chosen for the whole world. I know QUR'AN used messiah for Jesus but it is just a coined word from hebrew language. How's that special?.. Jesus was only jewish messiah. Not to you. You are African. So you can see that Messiah does not mean savior in Islam.

You are not making valid case

Then quote the verse where it is written that Muhammad was ANOINTED?

Empiree:
I have much to say about this verse that Christians throw around out of context everytime. But I am just gonna tell you that this verse is restricted to the Jews because Jesus message was not extended to the gentiles. He was sent ONLY to the lost sheep of Israel


These twelve Jesus sent out with the following instructions: "Do not go among the Gentiles or enter any town of the Samaritans. ◄ Matthew 10:5 ►

So matthew refute John

As Muhammad was sent only to the LOST GOATS OF MEDINA AND MECCA because throughout his life time before and after he was poisoned to dead MUHAMMAD NEVER CARRY HIS JIHAD OUTSIDE MEDINA AND MECCA.. So therefore don't let one Alfa deceived you Muhammad was only assumed prophet for slaves within Medina and Mecca

haekymbahd:
it is normal if I have different view with him the most important is one must be ready to learn I am willing to learn if I am wrong.
I guess you should settle your view of Holy Spirit with the Unitarian Christians e.g Jehovah's witnesses and those who support and are against the view of speaking in tongues before sharing your view here...

You have diff view with him because both of you were brainwashed by diff imams and alfas. If for sure both of you knw what you're saying, you shouldn't be antagonized each other views and opinions.. And you want to confused me right, one of you said Angel Gabriel was the spirit of truth, the other said NO it was Muhammad.. Please who among you should we believe then?

One said Messiah means SAVIOUR the other said NO it mean anointed or chosen, you guys brains needs to be formatted

Empiree:
don't twist.i don't know where you are getting his thread from but what he said referred to Trinity. The holy spirit mentioned in your trinity. This is what refers to Angel Gabriel.

But in John 16:12, it is entirely different narrative. In these verses christians believe the holy spirit mentioned in these verses is inside them. This is why they always say "you don't have holy spirit".


John 16:12

“I have many more things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now. 13“But when He, the Spirit of truth, comes, He will guide you into all the truth; for He will not speak on His own initiative, but whatever He hears, He will speak; and He will disclose to you what is to come. 14“He will glorify Me, for He will take of Mine and will disclose it to you. 15“All things that the Father has are Mine; therefore I said that He takes of Mine and will disclose it to you.

So this spirit mentioned in these verses referred to as paraclete. Other Bible verses use "helper", advocate". And the descriptions in these verse show physical appearance that we can see. We could see prophet muhammad in his lifetime but no one can see Angel Gabriel.

The Bible verse says that he will abide with us forever which means message of prophet muhammad (QUR'AN). It is a eternally Divine revealation.

Before you bring someone's else posts here there remember that I am in the field of comparative. So be very careful. And besides, you must be very coward for bringing his posts here and there to contradict one another. I will only tell you what I know.

Your brother haekymbahd said ANGEL GABRIEL IS THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH while you jumped from nowhere into the discussion to refute his calamity, blunder that MUHAMMAD WAS THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH. Am I the one contradicting you guys? Seems you get eyes problem, you better read very well and follow the trend thoroughly

advocatejare:

You want me to spoonfeed all through?


Diversion tactic won't work. The bone of contention is Allah is not God, Allah is the pagan idol of the Quraysh



I'll answer you if answer my questions that you've been dodging since:

At what point did the gospel get lost

What is the name of the idol that Abdulmuttalib served

Who did Abdulmuttalib sacrifice 100 camels to to ransom the life of Abdullah

Muhammad was said to have become a prophet at the age of 40 and the Quran said Muhammad was lost. Which god was muhammad serving for the first 40 years of his life and why did the Quran says that Muhammad was lost before he was later guided?

Answer all these and I'll answer your questions too

gospel was corrupted Jesus whom it was revealed to didn't write it down the people who wrote it down where the one who corrupted it none of them were eye witnesses... The gospel(message) of Jesus himself was lost ...

Does this Passage Belong in the Bible? The Woman Caught in Adultery (John 7:53-8:11) was not in the manuscript of gospel of John but was inserted 100 yrs after meaning it was not written by the author of Gospel of John...

Allah SWT said:

"And among them are unlettered ones who do not know the Scripture except in wishful thinking, but they are only assuming."
(QS. Al-Baqara 2: Verse 78)

"So woe to those who write the scripture with their own hands, then say, This is from Allah, in order to exchange it for a small price. Woe to them for what their hands have written and woe to them for what they earn."
(QS. Al-Baqara 2: Verse 79)


On the religion of Muhammad before islam

According to Quran, Muhammad was neither a monotheist nor a polytheist before he received revelation. He was just an ordinary man. He carried no special interest to the common beliefs of his community, nor did he protest against it.

Allah says:
“And thus, We have revealed to you an inspiration of Our command. You did not know what is the Book or [what is] faith before. We have made it a light by which We guide of Our servants who deserve. Indeed (now), you guide to a straight path.” (42:52)

He could not read of the Bible and the Torah as he was illiterate.

Allah says:
“You were not reciting before this any scripture, nor did you inscribe one with your own hands. Otherwise the falsifiers would have had [cause for] doubt.” (29:48)

He probably knew that the common beliefs of his community were not right, but he were not aware of any better way. He was just lost like the majority of people today.

Allah says:
"He found you lost and guided you." (93:7)



On the idol god of Abd muttalib I am not sure maybe "Hubaal" but the God of Muhammad kicked against worship of Baal.
Access to the idol was controlled by the Quraysh tribe. The god's devotees fought against followers of the Islamic prophet Muhammad during the Battle of Badr in 624 AD. After Muhammad entered Mecca in 630, he destroyed the statue of Hubal from the Kaaba along with the idols of all the other pagan gods.

"Do you call upon Ba'l and leave the best of creators -"
(QS. As-Saaffaat 37: Verse 125)

"Allah, your Lord and the Lord of your first forefathers?"
(QS. As-Saaffaat 37: Verse 126)

* Via Qur'an English http://quran-en.com



You said Allah was an idol but it means God and it is a title not a name of any particular idol... It was the same name God revealed himself to Abraham despite the fact that it was the title of all the idols at the time of Abraham but not their name

Exodus 6:3
2 And God said to Moses, I am the Lord.

3 I appeared to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob as God Almighty, but by My [a]name the Lord [Yahweh--the redemptive name of God] I did not make Myself known to them [in acts and great miracles].

So the Allah of Muhammad is the God of Abraham, Isaac, Ishmael and Jacob because he ordered Muhammad to destroy all idols including hubaal idol....After defeat by Muhammad's forces at the Battle of Badr, Abu Sufyan ibn Harb, leader of the Quraysh army, is said to have called on Hubal for support to gain victory in their next battle, saying "Show your superiority, Hubal".[6] When Muhammad conquered Mecca in 630, he removed and had destroyed the statue of Hubal, along with the other 360 images at the Kaaba, and dedicated the structure to Allah.


The Arab Muslim prays to Allah the Arab trinitarian Christian claim to pray to Allah yet they worship different Allah same as idol worshippers? The Allah of Muhammad is the God of Abraham, Abraham never knew any son of God or Jesus and didn't worship 3 in 1 God he was not of the polytheists....

"They say, Be Jews or Christians [so] you will be guided. Say, Rather, [we follow] the religion of Abraham, inclining toward truth, and he was not of the polytheists."
(QS. Al-Baqara 2: Verse 135)

"Say, [O believers], We have believed in Allah and what has been revealed to us and what has been revealed to Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac and Jacob and the Descendants and what was given to Moses and Jesus and what was given to the prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them, and we are Muslims [in submission] to Him."
(QS. Al-Baqara 2: Verse 136)

* Via Qur'an English http://quran-en.com

RightChannel:


I will ask you another question again, WAS MUHAMMAD ANOINTED TO BE YOUR PROPHET? Just answer Yes or NO

Yes

RightChannel:


Your brother haekymbahd said ANGEL GABRIEL IS THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH while you jumped from nowhere into the discussion to refute his calamity, blunder that MUHAMMAD WAS THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH. Am I the one contradicting you guys? Seems you get eyes problem, you better read very well and follow the trend thoroughly

Just refute my claim I am airing my view, he is doing his while you do yours, not all your fellow christians follow your school of thought either.... All this stupid tactics you evangelical Christians use sha.

I have given my proof from the Quran...
Trustworthy spirit (Gabriel) brought the word of God(Quran) upon the heart of the Prophet (which will abide with him) and the believers who memorise it by heart forever ..


You don't have to accept my view neither do I have to accept yours first of all convince your fellow bible believer e.g Jehova witnesses, Catholics to accept your view on spirit of truth before you come here to convince a Muslim....

RightChannel:


Then quote the verse where it is written that Muhammad was ANOINTED?

"O Messenger (Muhammad )! Proclaim (the Message) which has been sent down to you from your Lord. And if you do not, then you have not conveyed His Message. Allah will protect you from mankind. Verily, Allah guides not the people who disbelieve.”

[al-Maa’idah 5:67].


These are Allah’s revelations which We recite to you ˹O Prophet˺ in truth. And you are truly one of the messengers. Q 2:252



"And thus we have made you(Muslims) a just community that you will be witnesses over the mankind and the Messenger(Muhammad) will be a witness over you." Q2:143



"As We have sent among you a Messenger (Prophet Muhammad) from yourselves, to recite to you Our verses and to purify you(of false beliefs and doctrines, and sins, and all kinds of uncleanness),, who will teach you the Book and Wisdom, and teach you that of which you have no knowledge" Q2:151

There are many more verses



Hadith


“O People! Go wherever you want and do not guard me anymore; there is no doubt that Allah will protect me.”

RightChannel:


As Muhammad was sent only to the LOST GOATS OF MEDINA AND MECCA because throughout his life time before and after he was poisoned to dead MUHAMMAD NEVER CARRY HIS JIHAD OUTSIDE MEDINA AND MECCA.. So therefore don't let one Alfa deceived you Muhammad was only assumed prophet for slaves within Medina and Mecca

you see how you lost your integrity with me?. Now that I exposed you that Messiah does not mean savior you retorted to abuse.

Anyways, you now admit Messiah means anointed or chosen. Case Closed

RightChannel:


Your brother haekymbahd said ANGEL GABRIEL IS THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH while you jumped from nowhere into the discussion to refute his calamity, blunder that MUHAMMAD WAS THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH. Am I the one contradicting you guys? Seems you get eyes problem, you better read very well and follow the trend thoroughly

tell us who Jesus was referring to in John 16:12? And tell us what Christians refer to in their trinity

God the father

God the son

God the bolt spirit

The spirit mentioned in your trinity and John 16:12 are two different beings. Two different narrations. Onus is on your to reconcile the two.

Empiree:
tell us who Jesus was referring to in John 16:12? And tell us what Christians refer to in their trinity

God the father

God the son

God the bolt spirit

The spirit mentioned in your trinity and John 16:12 are two different beings. Two different narrations. Onus is on your to reconcile the two.

Have you answered my questions? Do justice to all my questions first

Empiree:
you see how you lost your integrity with me?. Now that I exposed you that Messiah does not mean savior you retorted to abuse.

Anyways, you now admit Messiah means anointed or chosen. Case Closed

Kikikikikiki lost integrity, make I laugh again buhahahaha.. Messiah does NOT mean Saviour despite showing the meaning from a reliable source still can't comprehend.. MESSIAH IS NOT ARABIC WORD I WILL BE DRAGGING WITH YOU, Just quote where baby Aishat's husband was recognized as MESSIAH by his own god allah..


ABUSE: but you said Jesus Christ was sent to the Lost sheep of Israel and I replied you that Muhammad baby Aishat husband was ONLY SENT TO THE LOST GOATS OF MEDINA AND MECCA, is that what you tagged as abuse? Apart from Medina and Mecca all in Saudi Arabia Muhammad carried his Jihad name any other country he visited

Empiree:


"O Messenger (Muhammad )! Proclaim (the Message) which has been sent down to you from your Lord. And if you do not, then you have not conveyed His Message. Allah will protect you from mankind. Verily, Allah guides not the people who disbelieve.”

[al-Maa’idah 5:67].


These are Allah’s revelations which We recite to you ˹O Prophet˺ in truth. And you are truly one of the messengers. Q 2:252



"And thus we have made you(Muslims) a just community that you will be witnesses over the mankind and the Messenger(Muhammad) will be a witness over you." Q2:143



"As We have sent among you a Messenger (Prophet Muhammad) from yourselves, to recite to you Our verses and to purify you(of false beliefs and doctrines, and sins, and all kinds of uncleanness),, who will teach you the Book and Wisdom, and teach you that of which you have no knowledge" Q2:151

There are many more verses



Hadith


“O People! Go wherever you want and do not guard me anymore; there is no doubt that Allah will protect me.”

BUT YOU CAN READ Isn't it? All the verses you quoted the first says allah will protect him from mankind, WHAT DOES PROTECTION HAS TO DO WITH MESSIAH? Haba use your senses and stop disgracing Islam here..


The second verse says allah reciting quran for Muhammad because Muhammad was an illiterate who COULDN'T READ AND UNDERSTAND does this made him a Messiah?? Just continue bringing shame on Muhammad

The third verse is more like the second verse, now from all these verses where does allah recognized or called him as Messiah as he allah did for Jesus in up to 12 quranic verses where he allah personally, categorically, boldly and with deliberately REFER TO JESUS AS YOUR MESSIAH

haekymbahd:
Just refute my claim I am airing my view, he is doing his while you do yours, not all your fellow christians follow your school of thought either.... All this stupid tactics you evangelical Christians use sha.

I have given my proof from the Quran...
Trustworthy spirit (Gabriel) brought the word of God(Quran) upon the heart of the Prophet (which will abide with him) and the believers who memorise it by heart forever ..


You don't have to accept my view neither do I have to accept yours first of all convince your fellow bible believer e.g Jehova witnesses, Catholics to accept your view on spirit of truth before you come here to convince a Muslim....

If according to quran THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH Is Angel Gabriel who am I to refute that, allah has already mislead you his slaves into the wrong path that's his role as he said in quran


Whomever Allah sends astray will not have any ally after Him. You will see the transgressors, when they see the retribution, saying: "Is there any way we can go back?" You will see them being displayed to it, in fearful humiliation, and looking, while trying to avoid looking. Those who acknowledged will say, “The losers are those who lost themselves and their families on the day of resurrection. The transgressors will be in a lasting retribution.” They had no allies to help them against Allah. Whomever Allah misguides will never find the way .

Quran 42:44-46

Empiree:
Yes

All the verses you quoted never shown him as MESSIAH and ANOINTED Prophet so why giving yourself stress surfing google.com

RightChannel:


You have diff view with him because both of you were brainwashed by diff imams and alfas. If for sure both of you knw what you're saying, you shouldn't be antagonized each other views and opinions.. And you want to confused me right, one of you said Angel Gabriel was the spirit of truth, the other said NO it was Muhammad.. Please who among you should we believe then?

One said Messiah means SAVIOUR the other said NO it mean anointed or chosen, you guys brains needs to be formatted

RightChannel abeg no kill me with laugh

Empiree and haekymbahd so na difference Alfa and Imam brainwashed you guys, this is a great catastrophe

ANTIlSLAM:


RightChannel abeg no kill me with laugh

Empiree and haekymbahd so na difference Alfa and Imam brainwashed you guys, this is a great catastrophe

i don't have an Alfa teaching me it is my view I read the Quran and the Bible and I am stating my belief from my observation...

I don't even know if there is a general Islamic view about it or not..

If my claim or belief is proved wrong without doubt I would gladly accept and learn...

I gave my source of answer to RightChannel so I didn't formulate it in my head or from any Alfa but from what I saw in the Quran..

haekymbahd:
gospel was corrupted Jesus whom it was revealed to didn't write it down the people who wrote it down where the one who corrupted it none of them were eye witnesses... The gospel(message) of Jesus himself was lost ...

Show me in your Quran or in your authentic hadith where the claim that the gospel was corrupted was made.

Jesus didn't write a book, he never made a claim that he wrote a book so why are you asking for the book Jesus wrote? Gospel means good news.

If Allah told you that Jesus was given a book and the same Allah can't produce and preserve that book, that means Allah has failed.

Muhammad that you said was given the Quran didn't write the Qur'an.

Show me the Quran that was given to Muhammad. The first ever compiled Qur'an was compiled 20 years after Muhammad had died and it was edited by Zaid bin Thabit under the supervision of Uthman and they burnt the original manuscripts.

That's why Islam splitted into two versions: Shia and Sunni because of the corruption of the Qur'an.

"So woe to those who write the scripture with their own hands, then say, This is from Allah, in order to exchange it for a small price. Woe to them for what their hands have written and woe to them for what they earn."
(QS. Al-Baqara 2: Verse 79)

Zaid and Uthman that wrote their minds and claimed that it was the Quran

On the religion of Muhammad before islam

According to Quran, Muhammad was neither a monotheist nor a polytheist before he received revelation. He was just an ordinary man. He carried no special interest to the common beliefs of his community, nor did he protest against it.

He continued the religion of his pagan family worshipping and that's why it is stated in your Qur'an that Muhammad was lost

وَوَجَدَكَ ضَآلًّا فَهَدٰى
"And He found you lost and guided [you],"
(QS. Ad-Dhuhaa 93: Verse 7)

He could not read of the Bible and the Torah as he was illiterate.

This lies have been rubbished by your fellow Muslims. Muhammad could read and write.

Narrated 'Ursa:
The Prophet wrote the (marriage contract) with 'Aisha while she was six years old and consummated his marriage with her while she was nine years old and she remained with him for nine years (i.e. till his death). (Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 7, Book 62, Number 88)

Narrated 'Ubaidullah bin 'Abdullah:
Ibn 'Abbas said, "When the ailment of the Prophet became worse, he said, 'Bring for me (writing) paper and I will write for you a statement after which you will not go astray.' But 'Umar said, 'The Prophet is seriously ill, and we have got Allah's Book with us and that is sufficient for us.' But the companions of the Prophet differed about this and there was a hue and cry. On that the Prophet said to them, 'Go away (and leave me alone). It is not right that you should quarrel in front of me." Ibn 'Abbas came out saying, ""It was most unfortunate (a great disaster) that Allah's Apostle was prevented from writing that statement for them because of their disagreement and noise. (Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 3, Number 114)

advocatejare:

Show me in your Quran or in your authentic hadith where the claim that the gospel was corrupted was made.

Jesus didn't write a book, he never made a claim that he wrote a book so why are you asking for the book Jesus wrote? Gospel means good news.

If Allah told you that Jesus was given a book and the same Allah can't produce and preserve that book, that means Allah has failed.

Muhammad that you said was given the Quran didn't write the Qur'an.

Show me the Quran that was given to Muhammad. The first ever compiled Qur'an was compiled 20 years after Muhammad had died and it was edited by Zaid bin Thabit under the supervision of Uthman and they burnt the original manuscripts.

That's why Islam splitted into two versions: Shia and Sunni because of the corruption of the Qur'an.



Zaid and Uthman that wrote their minds and claimed that it was the Quran


He continued the religion of his pagan family worshipping and that's why it is stated in your Qur'an that Muhammad was lost

وَوَجَدَكَ ضَآلًّا فَهَدٰى
"And He found you lost and guided [you],"
(QS. Ad-Dhuhaa 93: Verse 7)



This lies have been rubbished by your fellow Muslims. Muhammad could read and write.

Narrated 'Ursa:
The Prophet wrote the (marriage contract) with 'Aisha while she was six years old and consummated his marriage with her while she was nine years old and she remained with him for nine years (i.e. till his death). (Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 7, Book 62, Number 88)

Narrated 'Ubaidullah bin 'Abdullah:
Ibn 'Abbas said, "When the ailment of the Prophet became worse, he said, 'Bring for me (writing) paper and I will write for you a statement after which you will not go astray.' But 'Umar said, 'The Prophet is seriously ill, and we have got Allah's Book with us and that is sufficient for us.' But the companions of the Prophet differed about this and there was a hue and cry. On that the Prophet said to them, 'Go away (and leave me alone). It is not right that you should quarrel in front of me." Ibn 'Abbas came out saying, ""It was most unfortunate (a great disaster) that Allah's Apostle was prevented from writing that statement for them because of their disagreement and noise. (Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 3, Number 114)

So does it mean the Shiite are angry and they know that the Suni edited the Quran and burnt it?

advocatejare:

Show me in your Quran or in your authentic hadith where the claim that the gospel was corrupted was made.

Jesus didn't write a book, he never made a claim that he wrote a book so why are you asking for the book Jesus wrote? Gospel means good news.

If Allah told you that Jesus was given a book and the same Allah can't produce and preserve that book, that means Allah has failed.

Muhammad that you said was given the Quran didn't write the Qur'an.

Show me the Quran that was given to Muhammad. The first ever compiled Qur'an was compiled 20 years after Muhammad had died and it was edited by Zaid bin Thabit under the supervision of Uthman and they burnt the original manuscripts.

That's why Islam splitted into two versions: Shia and Sunni because of the corruption of the Qur'an.

Allah SWT said:

"Then We sent following their footsteps Our messengers and followed [them] with Jesus, the son of Mary, and gave him the Gospel. And We placed in the hearts of those who followed him compassion and mercy and monasticism, which they innovated; We did not prescribe it for them except [that they did so] seeking the approval of Allah. But they did not observe it with due observance. So We gave the ones who believed among them their reward, but many of them are defiantly disobedient."
(QS. Al-Hadid 57: Verse 27)

* Via Qur'an English http://quran-en.com

shia and Sunni splitted only on who would become successor to Muhammad. Both Sunni and shia accepts Quran as divine but differ on hadiths.. Can you show the Quran both of them are using so we can see the difference...

and please address this issue

Does this Passage Belong in the Bible? The Woman Caught in Adultery (John 7:53-8:11) was not in the manuscript of gospel of John but was inserted 100 yrs after meaning it was not written by the author of Gospel of John...

I said the gospel message of Jesus was lost what you should ask is what was his message

Mark 12

29 Jesus answered, The first and principal one of all commands is: Hear, O Israel, The Lord our God is one Lord;

advocatejare:

Zaid and Uthman that wrote their minds and claimed that it was the Quran

In another narration, Umar said:

وَلَوْلَا أَنْ يَقُولَ قَائِلُونَ زَادَ عُمَرُ فِي كِتَابِ اللَّهِ مَا لَيْسَ مِنْهُ لَكَتَبْتُهُ فِي نَاحِيَةٍ مِنْ الْمُصْحَفِ

Were it not that some would say Umar has added to the book of Allah what does not belong in it, I would have written it in the margins of the Quran.

Source: Musnad Aḥmad 157, Grade: Sahih

You will have to tell us how they will add to the Quran and people won't know after memorising it by heart.....

advocatejare:

He continued the religion of his pagan family worshipping and that's why it is stated in your Qur'an that Muhammad was lost

وَوَجَدَكَ ضَآلًّا فَهَدٰى
"And He found you lost and guided [you],"
(QS. Ad-Dhuhaa 93: Verse 7)

What is your point cos even Abraham was an idol worshipper before God revealed himself to him..

advocatejare:

This lies have been rubbished by your fellow Muslims. Muhammad could read and write.

Narrated 'Ursa:
The Prophet wrote the (marriage contract) with 'Aisha while she was six years old and consummated his marriage with her while she was nine years old and she remained with him for nine years (i.e. till his death). (Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 7, Book 62, Number 88)

Narrated 'Ubaidullah bin 'Abdullah:
Ibn 'Abbas said, "When the ailment of the Prophet became worse, he said, 'Bring for me (writing) paper and I will write for you a statement after which you will not go astray.' But 'Umar said, 'The Prophet is seriously ill, and we have got Allah's Book with us and that is sufficient for us.' But the companions of the Prophet differed about this and there was a hue and cry. On that the Prophet said to them, 'Go away (and leave me alone). It is not right that you should quarrel in front of me." Ibn 'Abbas came out saying, ""It was most unfortunate (a great disaster) that Allah's Apostle was prevented from writing that statement for them because of their disagreement and noise. (Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 3, Number 114)

if you reason well you would have known all this happened after he was told to recite the Quran by Angel Gabriel not when he was still an illiterate that was a miracle on its own....

haekymbahd:
i don't have an Alfa teaching me it is my view I read the Quran and the Bible and I am stating my belief from my observation...

I don't even know if there is a general Islamic view about it or not..

If my claim or belief is proved wrong without doubt I would gladly accept and learn...

I gave my source of answer to RightChannel so I didn't formulate it in my head or from any Alfa but from what I saw in the Quran..

You're now denying your Alfas, Imams, etc all because your buttock don red, the lashes is too much on you