Kobojunkie:
You can write a small test program to find out, maybe starting with a finite set.

The answer is obvious now. How high can I jump to attempt touching the moon?

budaatum:

The answer is yes. It was observed to be so and was described in Genesis 1 and in most creation myths, and it is observant in actuality as evolution.

And that is because there is an INTELLIGENCE behind it to make it happen.

shadeyinka:

Evolution is a late description where life has already been formed only that it increased in complexity through survival of the fittest.

The situation of evolution is like having instead of basic characters, you are given whole words and phrases to juggle about.

Evolution is nothing like you seem to understand it to be.

Consider the following.

shadeyinka:

And that is because there is an INTELLIGENCE behind it to make it happen.

What is this "INTELLIGENCE" you refer to?

budaatum:

What is this "INTELLIGENCE" you refer to?

You quoted Genesis!

In the beginning, GOD created the heavens and the earth!

Ihedinobi3:


I promise you I don't understand your comment.

Well maybe because you don't really know what evolution is.

budaatum:

I think they think evolution is some random arrangement, lol.

LoL, indeed my dear buda. And welcome back, how was Nirvana?

shadeyinka:

I think your fallacy is very clear to you now!

What fallacy? Your strawman?

shadeyinka:

Of course, his my brother: I didn't want to waste his time.

Actually you did but carry on.

budaatum:


You would have noted all the above by the first responses your thread received.





And to be honest, I still do not get your point.

I think he just harvested some straw and was eager to make something of it.

shadeyinka:

Their folly is actually apparent to them. But when a person's Intellect has been chained by satan: even with eyes, they wouldn't see!

Indeed. That is actually why I lost interest in these debates.

4 The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel that displays the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.
2 Corinthians 4:4 (NIV)

budaatum:


Evolution is nothing like you seem to understand it to be.

Consider the following.

My problem with this evolution of the solar system (even though I was describing evolution of living things) is that somehow, ENTROPY just seem to be reducing immediately after the big bang/inflation of the universe. This break every known physical law for entropy is ALWAYS increasing. Entropy can only decrease if an EXTERNAL constraining force compels entropy of the system to reduce.

In the beginning, there exist no single atom. After the big bang/inflation, neutrons, protons and electrons just found a way to order themselves as single units.

Its just like sand, gravel, lime, water are scattered over the earth with a high entropy. Some people (Dangote and the Bricklayer) brought these things together to make cement to build a house of lower entropy. Sand, gravel, lime and water ordinarily cannot build a house EXCEPT there exist an EXTERNAL force to the system.

Comprehende?

budaatum:



And to be honest, I still do not get your point.

My point is that as long as there is a mechanism by which outcomes result, the notion that there is no intelligent, personal creator is demonstrably false.

Ihedinobi3:


Indeed. That is actually why I lost interest in these debates.

4 The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel that displays the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.
2 Corinthians 4:4 (NIV)

Perfectly said!

LordReed:


Well maybe because you don't really know what evolution is.

You could be right. But you could also be wrong. And if you're right, I don't know it any better from your response.

LordReed:


Actually you did but carry on.

Too bad!

LordReed:


What fallacy? Your strawman?

Don't worry, Buda has come to bail you out!

Ihedinobi3:


You could be right. But you could also be wrong. And if you're right, I don't know it any better from your response.

There are treatments of the facts of evolution for all levels of understanding even kindergarten so if you really want to have a proper understanding seek those out. Commenting on strawman arguments won't get you closer to understanding.

LordReed:


There are treatments of the facts of evolution for all levels of understanding even kindergarten so if you really want to have a proper understanding seek those out. Commenting on strawman arguments won't get you closer to understanding.

I think you mistake me. I think that I'm reasonably educated in the subject. Therefore, the ignorance that you ascribe to me is undefined to me. That is, I don't know what you think that I don't know. So, I can't really agree or disagree with you.

Still, never mind. I really don't care all that much for these discussions anymore.

shadeyinka:

Don't worry, Buda has come to bail you out!

LoL

budaatum:


And to be honest, I still do not get your point.

Ihedinobi3:


I think you mistake me. I think that I'm reasonably educated in the subject. Therefore, the ignorance that you ascribe to me is undefined to me. That is, I don't know what you think that I don't know. So, I can't really agree or disagree with you.

Still, never mind. I really don't care all that much for these discussions anymore.

Ah ok so you understand it enough to strawman it, got it.

shadeyinka:

Evolution is a late description where life has already been formed only that it increased in complexity through survival of the fittest.

"Survival of the fittest" is only 1 mechanism of evolution and not the whole story. Just thought you should be aware.

LordReed:


Ah ok so you understand it enough to strawman it, got it.

If you accuse me of committing a fallacy, you are also responsible to demonstrate how I did. But feel free not to do so. I really couldn't care less.

Ihedinobi3:


My point is that as long as there is a mechanism by which outcomes result, the notion that there is no intelligent, personal creator is demonstrably false.

Why? Who says mechanisms always have intelligence behind them?

shadeyinka:

You quoted Genesis!

In the beginning, GOD created the heavens and the earth!

Yes I quoted Genesis, or rather, what some smart individual(s) wrote in the Book of Genesis. It describes a chaos out of which order arose, and is a indication of evolution.

Ihedinobi3:


If you accuse me of committing a fallacy, you are also responsible to demonstrate how I did. But feel free not to do so. I really couldn't care less.

I won't since you claimed you know enough about evolution so I am sure you know how you strawmaned it.

budaatum:

Yes I quoted Genesis, or rather, what some smart individual(s) wrote in the Book of Genesis. It describes a chaos out of which order arose, and is a indication of evolution.

The subject was GOD!
Who CREATED/MADE/FORMED the Universe.

shadeyinka:

My problem with this evolution of the solar system (even though I was describing evolution of living things) is that somehow, ENTROPY just seem to be reducing immediately after the big bang/inflation of the universe.

I have the feeling that you think randomly peppering with big words gives meaning to what you write even though it does not. Take Entropy. You claim it seems to be reducing but I bet you can not provide evidence for its reduction.

I am afraid non-comprehende. But I expect you'd blame me instead of the meaninglessness of your random use of words.

LordReed:


Why? Who says mechanisms always have intelligence behind them?

Same person that said that insanity is a real thing.

LordReed:


I won't since you claimed you know enough about evolution so I am sure you know how you strawmaned it.

Do as you please, LordReed. Not my problem.

Ihedinobi3:


Same person that said that insanity is a real thing.

What has this got to do with the subject matter?

Do as you please, LordReed. Not my problem.

LMFAO!

LordReed:


"Survival of the fittest" is only 1 mechanism of evolution and not the whole story. Just thought you should be aware.

I know, thats why I said increase in complexity ...

It's like starting with several small books which could be compiled to produce an entirely different bigger book.

LordReed:


LoL

And he has!
And responding to it!