patrickmuf:
So, why didn't Madrid go for Bruno? And all the other good players?

Botfuss:
Any technically sound player would flop under ole.

afrodoc2:


He should not be waiting for those vertical passes all the time. After all somehow the ball gets to Bruno from this same McFred and he makes things happen from there. The problem is with VDB IMO. He should spend less time making runs into the box waiting for vertical passes and more time helping to build up play for others and make those vertical passes himself.

As a 10 he should be creating for Cavani, Rashy, Martial NOT expecting McFred to create for him. Bruno and Pogba pick and choose when to make those runs, he should too.

Let us even forget the lack of McFred vertical passes for a second. What does he do when he gets the ball? He passes it to the nearest man whether it be Fred, AWB, Maguire or DDG. He does not turn and look to see if Rashy or Cavani are making good runs so HE can make vertical passes for them to score. Do you know how many runs by our forwards he has wasted because he refused to turn and look forward with the ball?

He wants McFred to make vertical passes to him, the same vertical passes he refuses to give Cavani and co.

SyIvalord:
See nonsense talk. So Cavani, Bruno, Shaw, Rashford etc are flopping under Ole? Nonsense and Ingredients.

timay:


Well, Bruno wasn't highly rated as a wonder boy like those Ajax boys. He was below the radar with minimal hype and most of the big clubs didn't rate him that much the way they will rate the likes of VDB or De jong as per the he's not a flashy kind of player. Even Totenham dey price am like garri with Sporting Lisbon then and wanted to take him on loan with option to buy, just to show you that they didn't rate him that much. Even us as a club wasn't that serious about him. It only took us to have our season turning into shit before we decided to take a risky on him, which paid off.

SyIvalord:
So a Midfielder should be taught how to play like a midfielder? I really don’t understand all this unnecessary debate about VDB.

Instead of connecting midfield to attack and supplying the attackers with goal scoring opportunities, he is always making runs and looking to be at the end of through balls.

Can someone please remind him that; he plays in the position of the player who is MAJORLY supposed to be giving the throughballs, not receiving them!

patrickmuf:
Madrid didn't notice nothing...We just swooped in and signed VDB...

Any player we sign that is struggling, you guys try to downplay their ability but if he joined City and was blossoming, it would have been Ed getting the stick now...

See how easy it is for you to rubbish VDB who's not been here for up to a year but you will find all the excuses in the world for Ole...

E be things...

patrickmuf:
That is why we have coaches to help improve players, their positional play as well as passing...

We all watched VDB at Ajax and didn't notice this deficiency or maybe we just didn't pay enough attention but then, for a club as big as ours to go after a player, I don't want to believe they didn't see something that excited them...It is imperative he comes good because if he fails, it will be a case of one too many failures here...

We have signed so many players who were doing well before joining us. If this trend continues, most players will be skeptical when the idea of joining Manchester United pops up.

patrickmuf:
You're spot on with the bolded, that guy takes up positions I find interesting but our midfielders hardly ever make those passes for fear of losing the ball (Fred tries it but his passes aren't always accurate)...

I watched VDB playing with De Jong, Ziyech, Blind and others at Ajax and he did not look timid. That Ajax team was renowned for their crisp passing and movement, something we collectively lack as a team.

Botfuss:
Any technically sound player would flop under ole.

Leyqute:


And then he went on to say that Man City would've made good use for him. Why didn't Pep make good use of Bravo?

dubylhover:
One thing people should know about vdb is that he is a proper product of TOTAL FOOTBALL, that ajax academy teaches their players basically all key positions and roles in football, especially for midfielders,they are above average in finding and giving passes.

Now anytime vdb plays and either of Fred/matic holds the ball,vdb ALWAYS positions himself in between passing lanes,he puts himself in a position where the passer of the ball should be forced to make a vertical splitting pass,the basic problem of that our midfield is that its not really drilled well tactically..its basically individual brilliance that helps us..our players are too immobile that's why its also affecting vdb.now ogs supposedly called vdb and convinced him to join knowing his strengths, he's not a player to always hold on to the ball and dribble,he's the player that needs players around him with a similar level of football intelligence.. Now whether we like it or not,ogs doesn't really have a sound tactical setup to help players like this..
An average Spanish coach would do better with him..I'm just saying that he shouldn't be written off immediately, hopefully once we get a better manager,his qualities would show.

Joezinho:


Van de Beek will be fine if ole plays him in his best position. Trouble for Ole is, he needs two protecting midfielders instead of one. And that’s down to centre back problems!

KingAlabi:

Leyqute:


This sounds like an excuse. Ajax always playing in a particular way doesn't mean all other teams must play in that manner.

As a footballer, you have to adapt to different circumstances and situations on the pitch. Part of football is understanding your teammates and learning their mannerisms to suit your game to theirs. Martial, for instance, will hardly make a run behind a defender on the wings. If you give him a defence splitting pass in that manner you're just going to waste the ball. Also, Rashford will never make a run behind opposition defenders if he sees an opening and the ball is with McTomminay or Fred. Cos he knows the pass will hardly be accurate. But once it's Pogba, you'll see him sprinting with his heels at the back of his head.

Same with VDB. If you keep passing and immediately making yourself available for a difficult return, vertical pass and no one is giving you the ball , something should tell you to try something else to help the team. Make yourself available for the simple pass.

And he's a midfielder. Primary job is to create. And you will hardly create when you're constantly on the move.

Doesn't he play in other teams apart from Ajax? How has his performance for Netherlands been?

handelex:
Any technically sound player will flop under Ole..




This criticism is no longer objective, Oleouters are beginning to sound like trolls.

handelex:
Any technically sound player will flop under Ole..




This criticism is no longer objective, Oleouters are beginning to sound like trolls.

SyIvalord:
Not everything can be taught. VDB simply cannot play defence splitting passes and we need our AM to be able to play defence splitting passes.

It will take time to change his positional play and he should be the one to focus on training to be better


It’s on VDB to make sure he comes good, not on the club. If he doesn’t come good, he will be promptly sold. This is Manchester United, not Ajax or Dortmund where improving young footballers is the main goal.

You are one of those who are not patient with the coach and you want him to win trophies immediately. How can he win trophies with a player like VDB who doesn’t even posses the qualities we need from a player that plays in his position?

How many clubs have ever won titles with players who are still being taught how to play in their position?

If VDB wants to be a big part of the team, then he should hit the training ground and train hard. It’s on him to improve himself. I am sure he knows what the coach wants from him and I am sure he knows he is not doing what the coach wants him to do.

I am not saying VDB will not come good. I think he will get better over time. But there is no space for him in the first team now.

SyIvalord:
Lol, na today you know say some so-called fans here are trolls in disguise?

It’s either they are trolls or sense just far from them sha.

handelex:
Any technically sound player will flop under Ole..




This criticism is no longer objective, Oleouters are beginning to sound like trolls.

LostMyZeal:



Keep deceiving yourself you hear


OLE is a fraud ..a very incompetent one at that


I see you and your likes are doing better than lai Mohammed and Adesina


It's obvious even to a dumbass that all the players ole bought were doing well at their former clubs

They were star players before coming...now they look average and clueless like their master


Bruno Fernandez played better when he was at sporting...go figure...

It's all about the system ok


And please stop trying to outdo the likes of Leyqute & Sylvadunce abi Sylvamumu in their stupidity

Those ones are titled elders...they are vastly experienced.

handelex:
_k

patrickmuf:
Can you just respond to him instead of taking a swipe at others?

handelex:
Ok Patrick, tell me you didn't like that post?