eph12:

Many matches with Pogba in the team, we were struggling to create chances. In fact, I'm not sure Pogba has as many assists as goals this season

It's not about goals and assists for a CM. Bruno can continue to provide all the assists.

BikeMan:


Take time out to think, it's not that hard.

So to you...

Less goals conceded means No goals conceded?

You see why basic English isn't really basic to you

eph12:
Nitrogen pogba has just 2 assists in 19 appearances this season and his presence is supposed to make our attack better?

This is not a slight on Pogba. We will still struggle with him in the team, until the team learn to play better as a team.

That's the main thing, we need to play as a team, we don't need a lot of assists and goals from Pogba, he is not the AM or one of the attackers, it's team play that he should be helping with. Of course, we need to sort out our style of play, everything I am saying makes no sense until OGS becomes sensible. The team has been relying on individual brilliance for goals.

Midfielders (CMs, DMs) are judged by number of passes, the accuracy of passes, interceptions, tackles, overall play, and not goals and assists. The forwards will take care of those. Even AMs should not be scoring lots of goals, but yeah, the game has changed, you see an AM trying to compete with his strikers for goals. Check Liverpool, City, and other top teams in Europe, their midfielders facilitate plays and not drag goals with forwards (also, you wont see proper DMs and CMs dragging assists with AMs and forwards).

nitrogen:


But City, Liverpool have missed more chances na.....most big teams are wasteful. And his stat is showing us that our forwards are not that wasteful.

Maybe maybe not but how long are we going to keep creating excuses for these forwards. Rashford has one league goal in 8 appearances, Martial is just Martial, Greenwood one league goal in 18 appearances, wished Cavani was 27.

Jodera:
So to you...

Less goals conceded means No goals conceded?

You see why basic English isn't really basic to you

And you are opposing the fool tag. In what dictionary does less mean nothing? In yours?

A team starts the season roughly like City and they start conceding less goals, will they not pick clean sheets along the line. When you now play 23 matches and concede just 14 goals, have you not kept clean sheets like that.

To think you're accusing people of not understanding English. You have not opposed any of my analysis with logic, just dancing around displaying your folly with your partner. I'm weak!

nitrogen:


That's the main thing, we need to play as a team, we don't need a lot of assists and goals from Pogba, he is not the AM or one of the attackers, it's team play that he should be helping with. Of course, we need to sort out our style of play, everything I am saying makes no sense until OGS becomes sensible. The team has been relying on individual brilliance for goals.

Midfielders (CMs, DMs) are judged by number of passes, the accuracy of passes, interceptions, tackles, overall play, and not goals and assists. The forwards will take care of those. Even AMs should not be scoring lots of goals, but yeah, the game has changed, you see an AM trying to compete with his strikers for goals. Check Liverpool, City, and other top teams in Europe, their midfielders facilitate plays and not drag goals with forwards (also, you wont see proper DMs and CMs dragging assists with AMs and forwards).

Lol guess who City's highest scorer in the epl is? Also guess how many assists he has. Then guess his position on the field

BikeMan:
And you are opposing the fool tag. In what dictionary does less mean nothing? In yours?

A team starts the season roughly like City and they start conceding less goals, will they not pick clean sheets along the line. When you now play 23 matches and concede just 14 goals, have you not kept clean sheets like that.

To think you're accusing people of not understanding English. You have not opposed any of my analysis with logic, just dancing around displaying your folly with your partner. I'm weak!

You're too poor with English understanding.
Just contradicting yourself
Just rest oga!

eph12:

Lol guess who City's highest scorer in the epl is? Also guess how many assists he has. Then guess his position on the field

Nahh he is dragging goal with the strikers he should leave the goals for them

eph12:

Lol guess who City's highest scorer in the epl is? Also guess how many assists he has. Then guess his position on the field

Gundogan has 1 assist. He has scored 11 EPL goals (as an AM this season because Pep sees him as one), maybe he is also stat padding. I don't know what the guy is doing sha, It could be the impact of tactics since Pep plays 2 AMs and 1 DM. Anyway, what I know is KDB does more assists and maybe just 10 goals per season.

My point is CMs don't need to post goals and assists. AMs can post assists and some goals while CMs should facilitate play!

Meanwhile, Pep plays 2 AMs and 1 DM, and our manager does almost 3 DMs. That's crazy!

Panther7:
Nahh he is dragging goal with the strikers he should leave the goals for them

Well, I am not condemning Bruno, so calm down!

I don't care if he posts 25 goals and 30 assists per season, if the team is going to be effective, then we need to avoid playing Fred and McTom, they are only good for counterattacks. It does not make sense, especially when the two of them are not good going forward (re: passing ability), we need a proper CM to play with Bruno, and based on what we have, Pogba and maybe VDB can fill the slot.

nitrogen:


That's the main thing, we need to play as a team, we don't need a lot of assists and goals from Pogba, he is not the AM or one of the attackers, it's team play that he should be helping with. Of course, we need to sort out our style of play, everything I am saying makes no sense until OGS becomes sensible. The team has been relying on individual brilliance for goals.

Midfielders (CMs, DMs) are judged by number of passes, the accuracy of passes, interceptions, tackles, overall play, and not goals and assists. The forwards will take care of those. Even AMs should not be scoring lots of goals, but yeah, the game has changed, you see an AM trying to compete with his strikers for goals. Check Liverpool, City, and other top teams in, their midfielders facilitate plays and not drag goals with forwards (also, you wont see proper DMs and CMs dragging assists with AMs and forwards).

Funny you mentioned Liverpool. Cuz you guys keep hammering on how full backs should be judged on tackles, interception e.t.c and not goals and assists. Football is not that straightforward. We all saw what Liverpool achieved their full backs.

You even mentioned City. Gundogan is their highest goal scorer na abi what are you saying?

eph12:

Lol guess who City's highest scorer in the epl is? Also guess how many assists he has. Then guess his position on the field

Na Pogba fans dey shout up and down

nitrogen:

Gundogan has 1 assist. He has scored 11 EPL goals (as an AM this season because Pep sees him as one), maybe he is also stat padding. I don't know what the guy is doing sha, It could be the impact of tactics since Pep plays 2 AMs and 1 DM. Anyway, what I know is KDB does more assists and maybe just 10 goals per season.

My point is CMs don't need to post goals and assists. AMs can post assists and some goals while CMs should facilitate play!

Meanwhile, Pep plays 2 AMs and 1 DM, and our manager does almost 3 DMs. That's crazy!

What it means is that if a player is better at getting in positions and delivering the goals, you jump on that. Pep has realized this about Gundogan and he has given him the free role to get in the box even ahead of his attackers. In football these days, you talk about position alongside roles. Players are not limited by positions anymore. If fullbacks are encouraged to get very close to the opposition box, why shouldn't the AM or CM get in there if he has the sense to get in position?

Don't make this a KDB vs Bruno thing. Because nothing stopping us from making it a KDB vs Pogba too

ChristoBam:


Funny you mentioned Liverpool. Cuz you guys keep hammering on how full backs should be judged on tackles, interception e.t.c and not goals and assists. Football is not that straightforward. We all saw what Liverpool achieved their full backs.

You even mentioned City. Gundogan is their highest goal scorer na abi what are you saying?

Check my previous post. Most top teams in La Liga, Serie A and even EPL dont have their AMs and CMs as top goal scorers.

Panther7:
Nahh he is dragging goal with the strikers he should leave the goals for them

Bro has just 1 assists with all the movements in City's game ffs. But he's the current best thing since slice bread. Bruno will be hanged by the balls if that's his stats

Jodera:
You're too poor with English understanding.
Just contradicting yourself
Just rest oga!

Again, you have not dropped a counter-argument, just you showing us how bad you comprehend things.

nitrogen:


Check my previous post. Most top teams in La Liga, Serie A and even EPL dont have their AMs and CMs as top goal scorers.

Those teams don't have stupid Martial playing as top 9.

No matter how effective Bruno is, he can't outscore Van Nistelrooy, Harry Kane, Lukaku, Henry, Cole etc.

Expert17:


Na Pogba fans dey shout up and down

My dream midfield with the current players we have include Pogba because I recognize his quality. But when we start to see things like Pogba in the team will automatically make the team score more goals or concede lesser goals, it shocks me. We have been here many times before. Then we start to see some analysis that wants to bring down a player just to make another look better and it's not justifiable, e dey weak me

nitrogen:


Check my previous post. Most top teams in La Liga, Serie A and even EPL dont have their AMs and CMs as top goal scorers.

Most teams don't even play with an attacking Midfielder. It's outdated but we are stuck with Bruno who can't play anywhere else.

eph12:

What it means is that if a player is better at getting in positions and delivering the goals, you jump on that. Pep has realized this about Gundogan and he has given him the free role to get in the box even ahead of his attackers. In football these days, you talk about position alongside roles. Players are not limited by positions anymore. If fullbacks are encouraged to get very close to the opposition box, why shouldn't the AM or CM get in there if he has the sense to get in position?

Don't make this a KDB vs Bruno thing. Because nothing stopping us from making it a KDB vs Pogba too

Well, it's a different thing to have a manager (that knows what he is doing) allow one of his AMs get in ahead of his attackers, Man Utd's is different because we don't have a tactical manager, the boys are on autopilot. Forget the free role nonsense!

Why cant we do KDB vs Bruno if they have almost the same role? and why should we do KDB vs Pogba this season if they are not playing in the same position?

We are stucked with the best player in EPL

Expert17:


Na Pogba fans dey shout up and down

Forget that I am a Pogba fan. I already said that I am absolutely fine with Bruno's numbers. My issue is we cannot continue to play McFed with Bruno, because the former cannot make the team effective and creative. Bruno is an AM, he cant always come back to set up play and still rely on him to post goals and assists. We need just one of both + Bruno + Pogba/VDB when playing against mid-table and small teams, of course, if we need to play counter-attack against the big boys, we can have McFred.

The main reason why Bruno+Pogba+Mct/Fred won't work is because of OGS. A normal coach would prefer creativity in the midfield.

Abeg...while y'all are praying for OLE to make top4...make una add this one too for prayer point.

Some People are dumb and dull. Someone is talking about Pogba and the ability he brings to our Midfield and the first thing the other one rush to bring out was his assist tally That proves what exactly? Same fools will say Bernando Silva is not important to Man City Midfield and they will bring out his stats to back them up.

Bruno is not the problem but the coach who got his team selection wrong and is tactically very poor...Why play McFred against a team everyone knew will pack the bus?

Why start Lindelof when you know Sam Allardyce team will go for route one football?

When you watch United, you do not see those movement you see from Bayern and City players neither do you see quick interchange of passes that's what top coaches teach their players and set up to ensure it works...You might want to argue that Bayern and City have better players but what about teams like Atalanta, Leipzig, Leicester etc...You can't possibly say they have better players than ours...

nitrogen:


Forget that I am a Pogba fan. I already said that I am absolutely fine with Bruno's numbers. My issue is we cannot continue to play McFed with Bruno, because the former cannot make the team effective and creative. Bruno is an AM, he cant always come back to set up play and still rely on him to post goals and assists. We need just one of both + Bruno + Pogba/VDB when playing against mid-table and small teams, of course, if we need to play counter-attack against the big boys, we can have McFred.

The main reason why Bruno+Pogba+Mct/Fred won't work is because of OGS. A normal coach would prefer creativity in the midfield.

You are on point...

They will always be dumbos who think possession based football is the bread and butter of football.

eph12:

My dream midfield with the current players we have include Pogba because I recognize his quality. But when we start to see things like Pogba in the team will automatically make the team score more goals or concede lesser goals, it shocks me. We have been here many times before. Then we start to see some analysis that wants to bring down a player just to make another look better and it's not justifiable, e dey weak me

This is not what I am saying. I dont care about assists and goals from Pogba, I care about effective play. If your team is 'effective', then you wont concede lots of goals and you will score lots of goals without the CM providing assists or scoring goals.

Who's watching Lingard?

Trevor012:
Some People are dumb and dull. Someone is talking about Pogba and the ability he brings to our Midfield and the first thing the other one rush to bring out was his assist tally That proves what exactly? Same fools will say Bernando Silva is not important to Man City Midfield and they will bring out his stats to back them up.

Well, I think that Eph12 is a Fred guy, he knows that if Pogba is available, Fred gets benched, reason for his reaction. Fred is almost useless in a creative midfield as he does not know how to pass and/or shoot. He is only good for defensive styles and at passing sideways/backward.

In all, I blame Amaka. He continues to use McFred because he is clueless!

LostMyZeal:


Abeg...while y'all are praying for OLE to make top4...make una add this one too for prayer point.

abeg we don't need him in d EPL....we love ole like dat

nitrogen:


Well, it's a different thing to have a manager (that knows what he is doing) allow one of his AMs get in ahead of his attackers, Man Utd's is different because we don't have a tactical manager, the boys are on autopilot. Forget the free role nonsense!

Why cant we do KDB vs Bruno if they have almost the same role? and why should we do KDB vs Pogba this season if they are not playing in the same position?

This season KDB has played CM in 9 matches and has 9 assists. Pogba has played CM in all his matches and has 2 assists