StacyO:
Op yaff catch feelings for his brother's wife


Sorry oo


You don't know anything about life. You just seem too emotional and too irritated by little things,signs of an overgrown baby.



You want to be a priest or whatever you wrote on the very first/second page but,you don't know how to tolerate others shortcomings.



@Gang90
Sleep on the floor till tomorrow
Make use of a wrapper
Pack your things and go back to the village.
Sleep in the couch
Sleep outside
Or better still,go and lodge at a hotel.




Stop running your mouth and washing your dirty linen in public here.
No iota of respect whatsoever sef.

Thanks for your advice, I had parked out, currently in another city, I had started my hustle here, I told my brother I got a meeting, in few days time i tell him i got a job and may not be coming back soon, lol, no hard feelings, this isn't public, this is private, you don't know me, and hopefully you will never know cause once I'm done using this account i deactivate it, get a clue, I'm not intolerant, I only said they should wash it, you are a shameless person, I said I wanted to be a catholic priest at a younger age, being a priest is not synonymous with being a nice person or being tolerant, what I tolerate is up to me not you, and I owe no one no apologies.

I ain't packing to villa, get it straight, I got family and friends in most major cities in Nigeria Abuja, Lagos, Enugu, Bauchi, PH, Onitsha, Owerri, etc are all my cities, so calm down, no be say you dey see Johny dey swim you go come call am fish.

I had never met anyone in my life that does not recieve many folds the Goodwin they offer me, so if you are hurting me, seriously you are missing a lot, the good I did years back got my back, I entered this city yesterday, a friend took me out, find small writing job give me, I write also but don't give me job here lol, so I'm busy, get busy bro/sis I had moved on.

majorbravo:
Dude I'm having a headache actually trying to piece together all the stuff you are on about.
You say you aren't spoilt but you brag about how your mum treats you like a King and how everyone else besides her should follow suit. I don't know what other definition exists for a spoilt child than the above.

I am a last born like you but way older now (in my 30s). At 26, I already had a masters and lived on my own abroad. Heck, I even moved out of my father's house at 22. I can't and have never imagined myself chasing after my father's property cos following the culture, last borns like me are on the tail end of the spectrum when it comes to who gets what. This is something every last born has to put up with and this very issue made me more ambitious to make my own mark for myself in life and for my future family.

Now to the issue at hand, don't you think it's a bit weird that you came on nairaland to say all these about your brother's wife? You say she took your pillows, do you even bother to know why? Even if you feel mistreated, are you a hopeless child to not be able to get the clue you aren't wanted around and move on with your life? Arent you mature enough to know that your brother and indeed no one on this planet would pick you over their spouse? If that house were on fire and your brother could only save you or his wife before the whole house is engulfed. Who do you think would be saved? The mother of his kids or an entitled little brother who thinks washing his car once a week is the lottery? Even your sister would never pick you over her husband. So then, don't you think the best payback for maltreatment of any kind is to ensure you make it in life on your own?

You obviously still enjoy being a child and being pampered by your mum and brother. You claim you are an adult male but you're just having a taste of what it's like to be an adult and you don't seem to like it one bit.

Success stops unnecessary mistreatment especially from those who were once in authority over you. Your dad is no more (God rest his soul), your mum you say treats you like a king won't live forever and neither would your brother nor you.

Stop waiting for your father's property (you wont make half of what Jeff Bezos or Elon Musk is worth if you relied on it) or for anyone to clean the sheets or the very ground you walk on. Spend your time trying to build your own life and less on what your brother or his wife is doing. If you had any iota of self worth or principle, you would spend your usefulness (which you claim you have spent on helping your brother out in his house) on yourself, instead of laying claim to the respect you feel his wife should give to you.

You even said your family made your brother what he is today cos they invested in his education. Dude, if your brother was busy looking for who slept on his bed while he was studying and working, all that money the family spent on him would be a waste today and you won't see a house for you to claim a room in. You lie to yourself and deny the efforts your brother put on his own to convert the opportunities he was given by your family(which also happens to be his family) to become somebody today. You have been given same opportunities but you would rather whine about another adult male's wife's activities in her own home.

People like you make others think last borns aren’t sensible.

Dude it is great you counted your blessings but we are having it all differently, you are in your thirties congratulations in your achievements but don't compare our lives you don't know what challenges the other person is facing, you might have gotten your masters at 26 but I could also become a governor at 36, don't ever feel proud becuase you are better than someone at so and so stage, you could be older than Marckzukabag but he is among the top 10 richest people in the world, give advice devoid of ego.

You have not heard my stories you had only heard my disgust, are you saying your poor father obviously left nothing to be proud, because if he were Bill Gates you would be assembling lawyers now to claim his properties, look I'm proud of my father and above everything I would want to inherit his mini home library, even if I can't have all of it at least most of it.

So calm down asking for your fathers properties is not a sin becuase if he were owing money you will still pay it, don't be carried away by societal pressure, so you got strife on your own lol, why do they inherit kingdom in England why won't the prince or princes go get himself or herself a brand new Kingdom.

Romanoff:


See this one.

You're insulting me about values or respect. If you respect your brother, you would not bring his business to social media.

What happened to a heart to heart?

Small children go get android phone and small data come dey run mouth for social media.


Omase o.

So nairaland is social media to you lol, this is a forum, and I told you this is my private handle and I don't even reply DMs here so don't worry, highest in two days, this post will be way down in archives of nairaland and I can still deactivate my account, so chill nairaland is not social media, you don't know me neither do you know my brother not the wife

get a new bedsheet and make sure you place the old one where she will find it. that's what i'd have done.

Gang90:
So guys it valentine's day, I'm really disgusted, okay I stay in my brothers house, I travelled, I came back around 2:30 I wanted to enter my room but my brother told me wait a while, with my adult mind, I realised they having some couple time, I dropped my bag in the living room and head out.

But I came back to find out the room is scattered and the bedsheet there, a responsible woman should at least wash the bed sheet noting that a grown up Male stays there.

I will be 26 this year, I had not really had sex so all these things imagining a strange woman's bodily fluids in my bedsheet is disgusting. I can take it from the side of my brother but not the wife, she disgusts me honestly, she is not my girlfriend, not my sister, not my wife, not my mother why should she expect I wash her after sex sheets for her or why can't she just pick the sheet immediately and wash it, it could have dried by now. And it really feel awful for me if I try to wash it, honestly.

This is about to be the worst valentine's day for me, I'm planning to head out and rent a room in hotel but who knows most hotel rooms will be disgusting today, what do I do please advice.

I'm hating knowing already, cause if I didn't know it could all not be so dirty to me, now my bed looks so dirty to me and I can't attempt to wash it until at least 24 hours and I will wash it soaked in hot water, I hate nonses just cause my brothers accepts you does not mean everyone in the family sees you as one flesh.

Gang90:

Thanks for your advice, I had parked out, currently in another city, I had started my hustle here, I told my brother I got a meeting, in few days time i tell him i got a job and may not be coming back soon, lol, no hard feelings, this isn't public, this is private, you don't know me, and hopefully you will never know cause once I'm done using this account i deactivate it, get a clue, I'm not intolerant, I only said they should wash it, you are a shameless person, I said I wanted to be a catholic priest at a younger age, being a priest is not synonymous with being a nice person or being tolerant, what I tolerate is up to me not you, and I owe no one no apologies.

I ain't packing to villa, get it straight, I got family and friends in most major cities in Nigeria Abuja, Lagos, Enugu, Bauchi, PH, Onitsha, Owerri, etc are all my cities, so calm down, no be say you dey see Johny dey swim you go come call am fish.

I had never met anyone in my life that does not recieve many folds the Goodwin they offer me, so if you are hurting me, seriously you are missing a lot, the good I did years back got my back, I entered this city yesterday, a friend took me out, find small writing job give me, I write also but don't give me job here lol, so I'm busy, get busy bro/sis I had moved on.

OK.

First, I think you are an entitled prick. No one owes you anything in your brothers house. Its not your house and his wife, that you so despises, has stronger claim to the house than you do. At 26, you have the mentality of a 16-year old and you should be ashamed of living with even your parents, let alone your brother. Lastly, 99% of sexual fluids comes from a man. So, redirect your misguided anger to your brother and not to a soft target. Even of we take your juvenile ranting serious, your brother should do the washing and not his wife.

clarion30:
get a new bedsheet and make sure you place the old one where she will find it. that's what i'd have done.

I had moved out, now in another city, thanks for your concern, they can wash it whenever they want, I have dreams to chase

murtalaa:
First, I think you are an entitled prick. No one owes you anything in your brothers house. Its not your house and his wife, that you so despises, has stronger claim to the house than you do. At 26, you have the mentality of a 16-year old and you should be ashamed of living with even your parents, let alone your brother. Lastly, 99% of sexual fluids comes from a man. So, redirect your misguided anger to your brother and not to a soft target. Even of we take your juvenile ranting serious, your brother should do the washing and not his wife.

Who ever do the washing is now up to them I had moved out now in another city, so calm down no hard feelings, I'm up with some minor job already, life does not start and end in a flat, I'm young, I could go as smart and handsome, I got grace, I will survive, don't worry about me sweetheart, I had moved on, chill, peace bro/sis

Gang90:

Who ever do the washing is now up to them I had moved out now in another city, so calm down no hard feelings, I'm up with some minor job already, life does not start and end in a flat, I'm young, I could go as smart and handsome, I got grace, I will survive, don't worry about me sweetheart, I had moved on, chill, peace bro/sis

It does not matter where you go, if you don't change your attitude (and your bad writing), you will not amount to anything in life.

Gang90:

So nairaland is social media to you lol, this is a forum, and I told you this is my private handle and I don't even reply DMs here so don't worry, highest in two days, this post will be way down in archives of nairaland and I can still deactivate my account, so chill nairaland is not social media, you don't know me neither do you know my brother not the wife

What is a forum?

What is social media?

if you actually have dreams to chase you wont be here ranting and bringing up irrelevant stuffs online.....................a woman feeds you and you have the guts to talk this way_ i can see how much respect you have for the female folks in ur household......................please feed yourself for 1 month and come back to review the topic you brought on.......................................lastly you sound like someone that will nag and rant more than your spouse................please stop chasing clouts and face realities..............................the world dont wait for people like you

Gang90:

I had moved out, now in another city, thanks for your concern, they can wash it whenever they want, I have dreams to chase

murtalaa:
It does not matter where you go, if you don't change your attitude (and your bad writing), you will not amount to anything in life.

It is funny how people waste their emotions on someone they don't know lol, you don't know me, neither do you know my brothers wife, I expressed how I feel, do you care if there is justification for my anger, but here you are putting Limitations on someone you don't even know lol, if you have such power why not declare that you will be the president, why not declare that your president progress or not if he doesn't change, please I changed what needs to be changed and that's my environment, lol.

You say my writing is bad lol, you know not how much wonders my writings had done.

Gang90:

Dude it is great you counted your blessings but we are having it all differently, you are in your thirties congratulations in your achievements but don't compare our lives you don't know what challenges the other person is facing, you might have gotten your masters at 26 but I could also become a governor at 36, don't ever feel proud becuase you are better than someone at so and so stage, you could be older than Marckzukabag but he is among the top 10 richest people in the world, give advice devoid of ego.

You have not heard my stories you had only heard my disgust, are you saying your poor father obviously left nothing to be proud, because if he were Bill Gates you would be assembling lawyers now to claim his properties, look I'm proud of my father and above everything I would want to inherit his mini home library, even if I can't have all of it at least most of it.

So calm down asking for your fathers properties is not a sin becuase if he were owing money you will still pay it, don't be carried away by societal pressure, so you got strife on your own lol, why do they inherit kingdom in England why won't the prince or princes go get himself or herself a brand new Kingdom.

I seriously can't get how you twist advice given to you. When I said I was living on my own abroad at 26, it wasn't to tell you i'm better than you. I was giving you an idea of how independent I was, and achieving stuff without looking at my mum or siblings like you have and to alert you to how you too can be independent at such an age, not to see yourself as still a baby waiting to be spoon fed.

How much my father is worth isn't the topic for discussion here. I never said he was poor like you are suggesting. But if my father didn't rely on his own father's inheritance to become as great as he did, I don't see why I should.

If this is how you want it, so be it. Better pray then that your dad wrote his will and you have something of worth in it. It's a dangerous line you are threading here, cos if any, even just one of your elder siblings think like you, you are gonna be in for a rude shock when you find out how heads roll during the fight for who gets what. If any of your elders or even Uncles and Aunts are more powerful than you, you are completely helpless to say the least and at their mercy in this regard. Even if you are entitled to inherit the World Trade Center from your dad, Justice in Nigeria is sadly for those who can afford it. If you have nothing, those who do would take what you have and you can do nothing. If you even get lucky and receive what you believe is rightfully yours, your type with your current lack of ambition to make something on your own will see whatever you get from it squandered in record time. For someone who considered being a priest, you definitely read the bible at some point in your life, so take a warning from the literal intepretation of the story of the Prodigal Son.

I repeat. Be wise and start thinking about the products of your hand not what others are doing.

majorbravo:


I seriously can't get how you twist advice given to you. When I said I was living on my own abroad at 26, it wasn't to tell you i'm better than you. I was giving you an idea of how independent I was, and achieving stuff without looking at my mum or siblings like you have and to alert you to how you too can be independent at such an age, not to see yourself as still a baby waiting to be spoon fed.

How much my father is worth isn't the topic for discussion here. I never said he was poor like you are suggesting. But if my father didn't rely on his own father's inheritance to become as great as he did, I don't see why I should.

If this is how you want it, so be it. Better pray then that your dad wrote his will and you have something of worth in it. It's a dangerous line you are threading here, cos if any, even just one of your elder siblings think like you, you are gonna be in for a rude shock when you find out how heads roll during the fight for who gets what. If you even get lucky, your type with your current lack of ambition to make something on your own will see whatever you get from it squandered in record time.

I repeat. Be wise and start thinking about the products of your hand not what others are doing.

Look, I get your advice but life is not the way you see it, if my elder brothers say heads will roll, does anyone have the monopoly of violence?, thank God that you are the last born, why do you think oh, so you can have it your way, look I don't depend on my fathers properties, but that does not mean I don't care.

I don't mean that your father is poor financially, I mean if you are his only son then he is poor. How would you feel if after you suffered to buy properties and you die tomorrow and your children don't care about your legacies, my Dad owned a mini library I wish to expand it, if my dad built a secondary school I build a university but I need the secondary school as a guide and experience base. Uphold your lineage and heritage.

Nigeria is shambles becuaee majority is like you, you want to work for your own and your grand fathers house is decaying, go to UK you said you are not in Nigeria there are houses spanning generations, I don't even have time for my fathers properties now, I'm thinking about my grand fathers properties, my grand father built a mini estate in the fifties he was a Chief, my mothers father and only the head son of my grand father who is old lives there, the rest of the house is decomposing, last time I was home I visited my uncle told him I wish to convert some part of the house to some public library and recreational facilities.

If I let my father and grandfathers work lie in ruin what makes me think that my children and grand children won't let mine go to ruin when I'm gone, maintenance culture is non existent in this part of the world, that's why Nigeria is messed up becuase no one cares about the other person's legacies.

On your methods of advice, you are what you are mostly becuase of what's available to you at a time, nothing comes out of nothing, even Jesus needed water to make wine, so tell me what you were exposed to and I tell you who you will become.

Some people could misuse opportunities but that's individualistic, but you can't become anything unless the ingredients necessary for such reality is available.

Again don't think becuase of the part of me here that I'm a person of no substance or some spoilt brat, this issue represents a particular outlook to a particular trigger, I'm an interesting person in reality and you will be surprised at the kind of friends I keep, is just that family is family otherwise, you don't even know who is who.

Gang90:

Who is talking about grown here, I'm talking about tonight, where I'm I going to sleep, washing it is not the problem, I can get a new one tomorrow or get the dry cleaner to come pick it up and wash, I'm talking about today, where should I sleep, i had told you that sex from strange people disgusts me, so it not about pick it up and wash, that bedsheet currently looks like puke to me, or even worse

You keep going on and on about hownyour sister inlaw disgusts you. That is your brother's wife that you detest.

Do you eat the food she cooks or it disgusts you too?

You are claiming room rights in someone's matrimonial home.

ImaIma1:


You keep going on and on about hownyour sister inlaw disgusts you. That is your brother's wife that you detest.

Do you eat the food she cooks or it disgusts you too?

You are claiming room rights in someone's matrimonial home.

You need to be specific, if you keep doing things that disgust me, at a point you begin to look disgusting, it depends, I had told you what disgust me in particular, and I had told you that after sex they took their baths, so why would they leave the room dirty, is it healthy for her to go make food right after sex, both her and my brother took their bath so why wont they wash the sheet, focus on the issue at hand, by the way I left the house since yesterday, currently in another town

zexy2030:


Omoh, u got time to xplain shit to this kid. He just wants sympathizers.. Oya let's tell him.. Eyahhh.

Is it bad if we opt to be a Baby once in a while?
Cause I don't mind being pampered

Gang90:

I'm not religious oo, far from that, I'm just sailing in my own strange ship, lol, first of all I believe there are lots of forces in the universe that it becomes unwise to doubt or completely accept anything. I had not gone to church for over two years willingly unless sometimes when my brother almost force me, and I keep telling everyone you guys are some bunch of people emotionally blackmailing God.

So you pray so God gives you money, well God gives you money then you stop praying what do you think God will do, I believe God himself is up with a lot of problem and God is not the way we had all been told, those spiritualist I do tell them straight out there, I know what you saying is crazy but it even more crazy to live in a world this complicated and not see reasons in everything.

I believe Religious people are the most unbelieving in the most part, how can you look at the sun and the stars, and the oxygen that abounds on earth and still needs miracle to believe in God, in the most part, even believing in God shows how much how we don't believe in God, religious people is not the problem, the problem is God whatsoever who always wish to let people believe he exists that's by the way if all these are not lies.

If you live in my world you will realise how sweet lonely peace could be, no conversation is ever better than speaking to your inner self

You'll realise with time that life is nothing without people living with people
You won't even get to old age before you realise that

How can a human being disgust you,not to talk of the woman you brother loves,now people are trying to talk sense into you and you’re claiming right forming independent I know people oya o,you should have known better than coming here to look for people to sympathize with you

Lucrativress:

You'll realise with time that life is nothing without people living with people
You won't even get to old age before you realise that

I live with people, what about the kids I spoke about in my house who are my minions, I play football and a lot more, I have lots of friends and families, so I'm not as lonely as you think,

Gang90:

I live with people, what about the kids I spoke about in my house who are my minions, I play football and a lot more, I have lots of friends and families, so I'm not as lonely as you think,

when are you coming to Enugu? Let's have a drink.

Gang90:

I live with people, what about the kids I spoke about in my house who are my minions, I play football and a lot more, I have lots of friends and families, so I'm not as lonely as you think,

Oya Pele
Hope you've resolved the matter o

Gang90:

You need to be specific, if you keep doing things that disgust me, at a point you begin to look disgusting, it depends, I had told you what disgust me in particular, and I had told you that after sex they took their baths, so why would they leave the room dirty, is it healthy for her to go make food right after sex, both her and my brother took their bath so why wont they wash the sheet, focus on the issue at hand, by the way I left the house since yesterday, currently in another town

You have been saying she disgusts you, and it didn't sound like it was just because of the sex in "your room". And you castigated her so much absorbing your brother of blame. He doesn't disgust you.

What's wrong in cooking right after sex? I didn't know one had to do 3 days cleansing before being allowed to cook.

If you feel this bad about it all, why not tell her? And if you cannot tell her, don't insult her at her back.

Nigeria Girls Are Useless... All Of Them

Voltage131:
when are you coming to Enugu? Let's have a drink.

If you honestly want to have a drink, I will send you my bitcoin wallet lol, this account don't exist lol, the only thing you can know here is that I live in Enugu...Don't try to find me. Or still, I can leave you a parcel containing a later and enough money to buy three bottles of beer, Isiewu, fish or perper soup but you won't find me, I can drop the parcel on top of the pedestrian bridge in Mayor or Holly ghost, I can also tape the parcel under the first sit in the last row of The Cenema in Polo park or Spar, I could still tape the parcel on top of that rugged scoreboard in That miniature Obiagu field behind Afia 9, I can also drop such parcel under one of the holes in the UNEC stadium or tape it under one of the cement chair in IMT love garden, you know behind UNEC there is an Apiam way that burst out to Maryland, Ehe if you follow that Apiam way there is one elevated ground more like a mountain, I can keep it under one of those play equipment, shey you done burst out to Ngwo before following the mountain side Abi, better still if fit put it inside that coal truck statue at Akwanta, or Ukwuaki, Abakpa but if you enter Enene by Aiport Apiam way I fit keep am for barbed wire, or under that plane sculpture close to airforce base, or I should just branch to gariki and drop it under a meet sellers table, okay make we enter lion building side you know that rugged market for gate, I fit drop am for you there, G, I rep 042 but I can't meet.

ImaIma1:


You have been saying she disgusts you, and it didn't sound like it was just because of the sex in "your room". And you castigated her so much absorbing your brother of blame. He doesn't disgust you.

What's wrong in cooking right after sex? I didn't know one had to do 3 days cleansing before being allowed to cook.

If you feel this bad about it all, why not tell her? And if you cannot tell her, don't insult her at her back.

Why would my brother disgusts me, these things looks simple to you but it disgusts me, and as she keeps doing stuff like that the rate of disgust increases, there are aspects that my brother is not cool in but those are minor for instance my brother knows how to lose phone charger, even when charger is cheap, in a month he can loose like 3 phone chargers, he will go out with the cord to use in the car and before long he won't come back with it, but that's weird, I can't say he's careless becuase he had never lost his car key or misplace money, but thats not disgusting.

I feel shy being the only person here to identify you as a great guy.


But no matter what others may say or think of you, you are not a bad person. But you are just you. Please continue to work hard and remain focused, you will go far in life; as a writer or as whatever the future sholves on your shoulders!!!!







If you honestly want to have a drink, I will send you my bitcoin wallet lol, this account don't exist lol, the only thing you can know here is that I live in Enugu...Don't try to find me. Or still, I can leave you a parcel containing a later and enough money to buy three bottles of beer, Isiewu, fish or perper soup but you won't find me, I can drop the parcel on top of the pedestrian bridge in Mayor or Holly ghost, I can also tape the parcel under the first sit in the last row of The Cenema in Polo park or Spar, I could still tape the parcel on top of that rugged scoreboard in That miniature Obiagu field behind Afia 9, I can also drop such parcel under one of the holes in the UNEC stadium or tape it under one of the cement chair in IMT love garden, you know behind UNEC there is an Apiam way that burst out to Maryland, Ehe if you follow that Apiam way there is one elevated ground more like a mountain, I can keep it under one of those play equipment, shey you done burst out to Ngwo before following the mountain side Abi, better still if fit put it inside that coal truck statue at Akwanta, or Ukwuaki, Abakpa but if you enter Enene by Aiport Apiam way I fit keep am for barbed wire, or under that plane sculpture close to airforce base, or I should just branch to gariki and drop it under a meet sellers table, okay make we enter lion building side you know that rugged market for gate, I fit drop am for you there, G, I rep 042 but I can't meet.[/quote]

Gang90:

I could have done that if that's what they wanted, I love cooking all I said is they should wash the sheet, most importantly the wife becuase she's a stranger to me.

Lol stranger in her husband house.
You are the stranger there.

You have to move

berrystunn:



Lol stranger in her husband house.
You are the stranger there.

You have to move

I wonder whether a neurosurgeon removed the thinking part of your brain, I'm I talking in relation to the house or in relation to me, anyway I had moved out and moved on

Lucrativress:

Is it bad if we opt to be a Baby once in a while?
Cause I don't mind being pampered

Oya cum ma aos n suck, that's my baby.

Gang90:

Why would my brother disgusts me, these things looks simple to you but it disgusts me, and as she keeps doing stuff like that the rate of disgust increases, there are aspects that my brother is not cool in but those are minor for instance my brother knows how to lose phone charger, even when charger is cheap, in a month he can loose like 3 phone chargers, he will go out with the cord to use in the car and before long he won't come back with it, but that's weird, I can't say he's careless becuase he had never lost his car key or misplace money, but thats not disgusting.

You choose who and what disgusts you.

It seems you have a problem with your brother's wife and it goes beyond having sex on your bed.

Just look for a place to rent and stay on your own so that no one can disgust you. As it is, you might cause problems in that marriage if you stay.

ImaIma1:


You choose who and what disgusts you.

It seems you have a problem with your brother's wife and it goes beyond having sex on your bed.

Just look for a place to rent and stay on your own so that no one can disgust you. As it is, you might cause problems in that marriage if you stay.

You are so myopic that you think marriage is the most important thing in life, I had given you reasons, for my disgusts, deal with it or locate the closest transformer, and hang yourself with naked wire. Don't go and focus on your life, keep trying to defined for another person what should disgust him and what should not, I had moved on