Stats: 3,190,619 members, 7,941,381 topics. Date: Friday, 06 September 2024 at 04:59 AM |
Nairaland Forum / Nairaland / General / Properties / General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction (4687210 Views)
Discuss Anything Property And Lets Make Money In The Process / Residential Building Construction Mistakes In Nigeria You Need To Avoid / General Topic Thread - The Roforofo Thread Of Construction Activities (2) (3) (4)
(1) (2) (3) ... (2007) (2008) (2009) (2010) (2011) (2012) (2013) ... (3751) (Reply) (Go Down)
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by rotecch77(m): 6:35pm On Feb 17, 2021 |
Let’s do small tutorial on door ( let’s use ft and inches here) Regular 3ft door as example, - wall opening size width 3ft - wall opening size height 7ft Door frame 7*3 ft Door leaf size; you will reduce 2” (50mm) from up, side A,side B and threshold[(this will take care of tiles or any floor finishings thickness) ( this reduction is for the frame)] Now your door leaf size will be - width 2ft 8” - height 6ft 8” So don’t expect your door to be 3ft by 7ft When your builder, engr, or artisan deliver your door 9 Likes |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by michlins(m): 6:47pm On Feb 17, 2021 |
rotecch77:so please sir, how does asking the alumaco guy which measurements he's adjusting with become a case of fraud. Now I asked alumaco, how many are you adjusting to fit and he told house owner that I wanted to shorten the sizes to make more money. 1 Like |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by EgunMogaji2: 6:57pm On Feb 17, 2021 |
twinskenny: Yeah they look nicer. Maybe a stronger bar on the inside? |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by rotecch77(m): 7:04pm On Feb 17, 2021 |
michlins: I understand you my guy. But you know what, don’t let flog the matter here much just liaise with your cleint I believed he is a listening fellow, he is the one that gave you work don’t tress your self much about the Aluminum guy. I will suggest you take your measurement next time when the wall is plastered if time permits . But if it’s urgent deal let the site engr or your client know your measurement before given the price. 1 Like |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by zuraking(m): 7:14pm On Feb 17, 2021 |
Probably the window guy has someone that can do the burglary job and wants to tarnish our own welder name(make God forgive me if thats not his intention) ![]() And to the main OP that brought the issue here, you people shouldn't just rush to bring half cooked stories here, you can reach out to your clients first and later bring the issue here if you are 90% sure of your accusations. Michlins still remains our respectable welder here and it pains me he lives in the east and not Lagos. 15 Likes |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by michlins(m): 7:19pm On Feb 17, 2021 |
rotecch77:please bro, it's important to me that this issue is completely cleared up and everyone that saw the initial issue knows what actually transpired. It's one thing not to get a job and another thing to be labeled a fraud in the same market you intend to get more clients. Another thing is that the internet NEVER forgets. My name is too important to me 7 Likes |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by somehow: 7:19pm On Feb 17, 2021 |
n3xt: I like this 3 in 1 design 1 Like |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Badgers14: 7:20pm On Feb 17, 2021 |
Wahala no dey finish oo ![]() It's all good michilins, that's life for you. You gotta have a thick skin. From the chats I have seen here, it is obvious what the alumaco guy wanted to do. Maybe he have a partner in crime that he would have preferred to partner with on the job but the oga based on the recommendation of his confidant gave you the job and he is not happy about that. This is similar cut throat culture folks see in corporate jobs. BACKSTABBING. But my firm believe is, in whatever you do always protect your integrity.. just like you said your name is more important to you. Igbos will say, Eziafa ka ego ( good name is better than money). Be content, don't spoil your name for wealth and victory is certain! 3 Likes |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by michlins(m): 7:24pm On Feb 17, 2021 |
zuraking:the alumaco guy is swearing with his God that I didn't ask him to do anything. I called him again when this issue was brought up and recorded it. The conversation is in igbo language though and I can't upload it here for reasons I don't understand. The op states that the alumaco guy said that I told him to make smaller windows but same guy is saying another thing altogether and swearing on top of it all. I don't know who to believe now but one thing I know for certain is that [b]I'M NOT A FRAUD[b/]. It's important to me that everyone knows that About your Lagos jobs, tell me where and I will deliver it to you 5 Likes |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by lovelani(m): 7:43pm On Feb 17, 2021 |
michlins: Brother, this my sound harsh and stupid...but think about it . Forget the job and let it go.....I hate bad energy. Or stay put and hustle am sha ![]() 2 Likes |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Jasobry: 7:45pm On Feb 17, 2021 |
michlins: I listened to audio... I just shook my head. We must desist from name calling without concrete evidences to back it up. Some day the story might change. @ michlin like i mentioned earlier... Name calling is the new trend. Pure character assassination. 10 Likes |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Jasobry: 7:50pm On Feb 17, 2021 |
michlins: House owner should have investigated before conclusion. I will rather drop the job and move on... because there isn't trust in the business after all 2 Likes |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by soonest(f): 8:16pm On Feb 17, 2021 |
michlins: Pls keep your heads up and keep up your good works. Many here want you to succeed, it's just a few that want to hear bad story and say shebi i talk am. All the best in your endevours 8 Likes |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Blessedsunny2(m): 8:23pm On Feb 17, 2021 |
New arrival of your Carrara white glossy ( porcelain Spanish) 60by60 60by120 WhatsApp: 09077504287,07062955047 1 Share
|
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by michlins(m): 8:54pm On Feb 17, 2021 |
soonest:thanks ma'am Jasobry: Jasobry:that one isn't much of my problem. My biggest concern here is my name which is being dragged into the mud lovelani: |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by dongc(m): 9:06pm On Feb 17, 2021 |
rotecch77: I believe this was michlins's intension but alumaco guy misjudged it due to poor comprehension and understanding... Chai they almost messed this guy up.. Mtcheee Nawoo let's us not be in too much haste ...biko |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Nobody: 9:33pm On Feb 17, 2021 |
Blessedsunny2: The 60 by 120 is it china or spanish? 1 Like |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Nobody: 9:46pm On Feb 17, 2021 |
Don't sweat it. Its obviously a case of miscommunication. People should try and be mindful of the accusations the come here with. I wonder how savings one can make changing from 1200mm to 1150mm. Do send the audio recordings to the accuser. michlins: 1 Like |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Rexology: 9:53pm On Feb 17, 2021 |
We should not toxify this thread with false accusations. @Michlins, hope you don't think you can rise to the top without challenges such as this? in fact, prepare for the real challenge(s) however, be STRONG! 3 Likes |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by SurveyorGeo: 10:32pm On Feb 17, 2021 |
oluwaleokey: These measurements are in feet, 1metre = 3.3ft Front = 41/3.3 = 12.42m Back = 77/3.3 = 23.33m Left = 233/3.3 = 70.60m Right = 129/3.3 = 39.09m The total size of the land is approx. 970.43sqmts ( Based on your Engr measurements) 1 Like |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Blessedsunny2(m): 10:43pm On Feb 17, 2021 |
boyestic:Spanish tiles both 60 by 60 |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by coldcandy: 11:17pm On Feb 17, 2021 |
I am going through same issues right now. So I decided to install the windows and dressed them first before the burglary man takes his measurements. These issues of measurements are quite common. The owner (if knowledgeable) should have dealt with it. michlins: |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Nobody: 11:27pm On Feb 17, 2021 |
Blessedsunny2: prices please 1 Like |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by InvertedHammer: 11:49pm On Feb 17, 2021 |
diordaves:/ If window is 6x5 and quoted as such. They could be adjusted to 6x4 or 5x4, installed and plastered since the owner is not around. Meanwhile in collusion, the welder presents a quote of 6x5 too and builds 6x4 or 5x4 as the case may be to match the casement window sizes. Multiply these by many windows. From available information, he went to the site to get measurements for the job. What business does he have with the Alumaco guy and his measurements when 6x5 is 6x5? There is a reason the Alumaco refused to share his measurements because he mentioned that Michlin mentioned altering the sizes. If the owner understood it, he wouldn't have reached out. I have said my own and I will not get involved in this any longer...not worth my time. / 7 Likes |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by EgunMogaji2: 11:57pm On Feb 17, 2021 |
Things like this frame opening size saga rarely happens in the USA due to standards. You can go to Home/Lowe’s to buy prehung doors and windows and they’ll fit all day long. It’s time to set standards in the building industry in Nigeria. On my next personal build I’ll be fabricating frames for all openings based on USA standards. So if I call for 4X4 window or burglary then I expect same. 1 Like |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by smallsmall: 11:58pm On Feb 17, 2021 |
oluwaleokey: Your total landmass is approximately One and half plots. (1.47 Plots). Though it is not a regular-shaped 18.18M X 36.36M plot. 2 Likes |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by KolaShangOne(m): 12:08am On Feb 18, 2021 |
michlins: Like I'm used to saying... Everything is fraud on this property section. The word is freely thrown around. I no longer advertise my works on this platform, just giving advice. Before Fraud will be stamped on someone's government name. In almost all projects, welder will request for measurements from aluminium guys. Then he will reduce it by 3 inches on all sides so that when plastering is done (which is usually 1.5" thick, the burglary bars can still fit. The Alumaco guy is the DEVIL. A very bad human being. Nonsense. 18 Likes |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by n3xt(m): 12:26am On Feb 18, 2021 |
EgunMogaji2: Baba, I can tell you authoritatively that 99% of issues here aren’t really worth the negative energies dispelled on it. There’s windows and doors schedule to guide builder and artisans on their projects. The issue of measurements will only arise if the builder make modifications to the existing design of the building. Few weeks ago, I shared that my welder will always ask you for the engineering drawing of your tank tower or any steel structure before he handle anything, it was as if I’m speaking in unknown tongues. Now we can see the reasons why this is important. I recently prepared a quote for some windows running into about N9m for a client here, I didn’t bother to get to the site for measurements. I only asked for the windows schedule. In the same vein, I only used the windows schedule to prepare for the aluminum shutters. I just asked the building engineer to tell me the windows he wanted to have the shutters. I don’t know any other way to do my job other than working with standards but here it’s called “packaging.” In a standard project, welder doesn’t have any business with other tradesperson but simply to ask for the windows/doors schedule. But here, it seems we now have nairaland building standard ![]() Pic 1 - Windows Schedule Pic 2 - Aluminum Shutter Quote (with reduction in the width sizes) 3 Likes
|
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by n3xt(m): 12:37am On Feb 18, 2021 |
Here’s building plan I did recently for @true2home and the man who came to complain about the plan his architect made for him few weeks ago @nanmcphee (forgot his user ID). Windows schedule are not just there for fun but to guide the builder and the tradespeople. I always smile when I see the stuffs people push on here. It makes me understand Nigerians better.
|
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by EgunMogaji2: 12:39am On Feb 18, 2021 |
n3xt: This is what I’m used to. Schedules ![]() 1 Like |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by lastpage: 12:43am On Feb 18, 2021 |
I have been quietly following recent situations here. On this Window issue..... If a Window is quoted and priced based on 4ft X 4ft, l will expect the Alluminium Window to be exactly 4 X 4 and to install it, the Bricklayer simply chisels back some part of the Wall Opening, if at all, to allow the frame into the 4 X 4 Space provided on the Wall. When it comes to Burglary, same process applies even moreso if the Burglary is to be installed outside of the Aluminium Casing. To install it, the installer chisels the point of installation, the Burglary slips-in and it is cemented in. Most come with 'legs' for that purpose. I have never bought a 7 x 4 or 6 X 3 door and it measures anything less than that, it is the Wall frame that gets dressed a little to allow that frame to slip in. So, l dont understand where all these argument about "reducing the frame size" from what was quoted, comes in. But in retrospect and in my own personal opinion, l will give @Michelins the benefit of the doubt in this matter. WHY? - the case against him, as it is right now, is not strong enough / weak, to call him out on financial impropriety or fraud. It is like loosing a case on 'technical grounds', because you dont have solid evidence or your evidence cannot prove your case BEYOND DOUBT.. - @michelins has not shown such nefarious tendency, not even the slightest, in his short time on this thread/Nairaland. I believe he took a LAZY DECISION (reducing burglary size, in all honesty), that will make fixing his Burglary work easier (in his own reasoning) and that decision may, UNINTENTIONALLY, also save him a some amount of money on materials to be used for the job ( no matter how small) but in all honesty, l dont think his intention was to defraud the Client by "under- producing to quoted size". The Client has the Right to be furious that the Dimensions he paid for, are being reduced (for whatever reasons), without his knowledge and consent! The Contractor should at the very least, inform the Client well- ahead of such decision. "Ceaser's wife must not only be Clean, she must be seen to be Clean". But when in doubt, we should always give the accused person the benefit of the doubt. l dont think the intention of @michelins was to do any hanky-panky to his Client. I will plead with @InvertedHarmmer to ask his Client to overlook this "error" on the part of the Contractor. I will also ask @michelins or any other contractor in here, to understand that once an agreement is reached with a Client, any variation, even if it is to the benefit of the Client, should be explained and discussed with the Client, get the nod of the Client, before implementation, so as to avoid this sort of unintended situation. @michelins, please make-up with your Client privately and get his confidence back. Avoid being lured into blaming the Alumaco guy, it serves no purpose. @All, please let us not escalate this matter by pouring more fuel into it. God bless. Lastpage! 22 Likes 1 Share |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by n3xt(m): 12:50am On Feb 18, 2021 |
somehow: Yes me too. It’s pure steel (sturdier and stronger) window. |
(1) (2) (3) ... (2007) (2008) (2009) (2010) (2011) (2012) (2013) ... (3751) (Reply)
Viewing this topic: 3 guest(s)
(Go Up)
Sections: politics (1) business autos (1) jobs (1) career education (1) romance computers phones travel sports fashion health religion celebs tv-movies music-radio literature webmasters programming techmarket Links: (1) (2) (3) (4) (5) (6) (7) (8) (9) (10) Nairaland - Copyright © 2005 - 2024 Oluwaseun Osewa. All rights reserved. See How To Advertise. 81 |