BigDawsNet:
Yes, Nigeria is a good place if you are rich

We have couple of reserved area for the rich and wealthy in Lagos ,Abuja

This kids live a foreign life in Nigeria

They have access to everything you can have access to in abroad while inn nigeria
They are fresher than kids in North America

If they are as "spoilt" as their counterparts in North America, why then would anyone send his kids home to 'suffer small' and be more hardworking/respectful/organized?

RisenPhoenix1:
The best upbringing is mainly African with occasional trips abroad to open their eyes to possibilities.

Thanks. Any reason for this take?

yes but not naija or else you will end up raisig septic tank hoes like zzor and sapaire
or developers like invictus obi , evans and hushpuppi

SatanicPriest:
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What?

The African mentality is so messed up. Why would you want a child to suffer and see hardship before he knows what life is truly about?

A bad child will be bad.
A good child will be good.
A good child can still become bad.
A bad child can still become good.
It's not a matter of training or suffering.

Not Just Bad.
Africa is Hell

Its like saying developing countries are better than developed countries.

WoundedLamb:

What?

abobo allow me book space in peace na

Once my pikin is 5 years he is coming to Nigeria. The taste of suffering makes one appreciate opportunities. Many children here have no focus and easily turn to drugs and crime

DontBullshitMe:
I like what I have read.

So give your input.

You have cultists even in your secondary schools. The other day it was one girl with a gun. Then the other day it was how 15-16 year olds gang raped a girl yet some people believe Africa is the best ppace to raise a child.
Not saying oyinbo land is the best either but as a parent try do the best for your child

Kayberg:
A bad child will be bad.
A good child will be good.
A good child can still become bad.
A bad child can still become good.
It's not a matter of training or suffering.

a child cant be bad or good. children are influenced by what they see and hear. all that who go spoil go spoil is a useless african mentality

WoundedLamb:
An African friend always argue that kids are better of raised in Africa. He said he'd send his two boys to Nigeria so they'd know what life is all about. I asked him "what life is all about", he said hardship, blackouts, etc. He said kids raised in the Americas aren't respectful and organized cause they didn't suffer. And that brings me to the topic of this thread. Is the Nigerian style of raising kids really the ideal model? I just want to share my opinion on the things my friend mentioned as reasons to send his boys to Africa: respectful and organized and the need to "suffer small" (his words).

Respectful: In the Nigerian society, elders don't usually explain to kids why they shouldn't do some things; they just authoritatively ask them not to do it and the kids better not ask why. Kids grow up respecting thier elders out of fear (and not admiration or love). The implication of this is that they do a lot things without their patents' knowledge, and they get used to this "hidden lifestyle" that makes it almost impossible for parents to truly know thier children. This in turn denies the parents the opportunity to identify and correct some unwanted behaviours as the kids always tell them just what they want to hear. And then it's only a matter of time before some of these kids outgrow the fear and reveal their true personalities (good luck with your mystery parcel at this point). Whereas in the Americas, kids are engaged and not commanded. You can easily tell the direction your child is headed.

Organized: He said kids raised in Africa are more organized and not crazy like their American counterparts who do all sorts of things like tattoos, plastic surgery, etc. Yes, Americans have a lot of deviants, but that's why new ideas/findings pop up everyday. I believe Africans force thier youngsters to fit into a predefined pattern of life and thereby reducing the chances of creativity. In Africa, you are supposed to go to school, get a job, get married and make children (and there are ages for all these). Then your children will do the same and the cycle continues. This "organised" pattern is the African dream; it is more important than any other dream or even the world itself, and any deviation is frowned upon. Africans think it's a crazy for a man to dedicate his life to studying mosquitoes even if that's his dream (yet Africans are the most affected by these killer insects), Africans think it's crazy for a woman to say she ain't getting married but would rather use her money to adopt and raise orphaned kids. A friend I was teaching software development had to quit cause "he didn't have time anymore". According to him, he had gotten to the age of marriage. And you wonder why nothing spectacular comes out of this continent? Alternative lifestyles might be scary but that's the wheel of progress.

"Suffer small": This one makes me laugh and I usually use it to tease my friend. Kids don't need to suffer small. Kids need the skills that would make them survive in their environment. If carrying water, fighting for a bus, using candles and going to the farm equip the child for the African life, great (just don't overdo it). But that's not necessarily a model. It's something they do out of necessity. A kid who is born in North America does not need to go to Africa to "suffer small". I don't even own a bucket as an adult and I'll probably never buy one. A kid born here needs DIY skills amongst others.

I don't have a problem with some people wanting their kids to go to Africa to learn thier culture but I don't subscribe to the idea that kids raised in Africa are better off. What do you think?

Africa? No bf African culture and training while living in the west is much better I think. The leaning from suffering part Has it’s positive aspects to create or broaden perspectives bt that can be achieved via visits.

That said if ure comfortable in Africa u might not necessarily need to grow up abroad when u can visit. The proper mixture of both west and African culture and experience is very good.

etrange:
I've had this argument several times. Our pride is all we've got going for us as Africans but we should know when to draw the line. You want to send a child to Africa at his formative age knowing fully well that that's exactly when he needs to be enjoying all the western world has to offer? Foundations are laid in secondary schools, don't let your child miss out on that. Americans are known for inventions while Nigerians are known for scamming. Stereotyping is wrong cause we have both good and bad people everywhere but think about it, are kids really better of in a country like this? I don't think. I think a kid that will be good will be good regardless of where he's raised.

When I was in Boarding School some of my 12 year old Class mates travelled from Maiduguri , Bauchi , Kano and Kaduna to Ibadan unaccompanied.

Can you try that now without the Child going missing?

The one on the left was raised in obodo oyibo. The thing on the right was raised in nizooria.

You don't need anyone to tell you that Africa produces nothing but animals.

WoundedLamb:

Sorry, I got distracted.

Very sensible post. I pray people learn.

Jaqenhghar:
You have cultists even in your secondary schools. The other day it was one girl with a gun. Then the other day it was how 15-16 year olds gang raped a girl yet some people believe Africa is the best ppace to raise a child.
Not saying oyinbo land is the best either but as a parent try do the best for your child

asian countries are still the best to raise kids. i have lived in all climes and i can attest to this

Its very difficult to raise a child n the western world.

Too many vices

Yes It's Better to Raised A Child in Africa excluding certain States Like LAGOS. He may risked being an Area/Yahoo boy.

EDO if it's Female, she may risked being Ashawo.

YES/NO

jaxxy:


Africa? No bf African culture and training while living in the west is much better. The leaning from suffering part Has it’s positive aspects to create or broaden perspectives bt that can be achieved via visits.

But why "suffer" while that energy can be channeled to creativity?

SatanicPriest:
abobo allow me book space in peace na

Haha... Sorry sir.

Klass99:


Okay.

@ Topic, I am undecided but something an Arab cabbie in the UK said to a friend has stuck with me.

He said, in all his time of being a cabbie conveying people/families around, he noticed that kids of indians and asians, held on to their cultural values, tend to be respectful and not easily influenced or carried away by the negative aspects of Western culture.

However, when it came to us Africans (he specifically mentioned Nigeria and other African countries) he noticed our kids tend to be disrespectful, eager to embrace the negative aspects of western culture and discard theirs, while the parents seem overwhelmed and at a loss on how best to handle their own kids.

He went on to narrate an interaction between a son and a mother in his cab of Nigerian origins that enraged him and broke his heart at the same time, but he stayed out if it. The boy was being extremely rude to his mother to a point where she became teary and all.

I truly don't know which climate is better for raising kids, but that cabbie's observations was or is food for thought. I like what the person above me (etrange) said particularly in her last sentence

Even here in Nigeria we smile when are children can't even speak our own laugh. The funny part is that they called it been intelligent.

VenumX:
The one on the left was raised in obodo oyibo. The thing on the right was raised in nizooria.

You don't need anyone to tell you that Africa produces nothing but animals.

not really africa but nigeria. i have been to ethopia and tanzania and for some reason my normal aggressive behavior was about coming out. the way they looked at me like a mad mad eh, no be person tell me to lock up my gra gra behaviour . naija just makes u aggressive . so its more of a Nigerian thing than an african thing. naija is useless.
worst part is that we see it as smartness.
trump saw what he saw before he called naija a shit hole.
he is too right

SocialJustice:
Very sensible post. I pray people learn.

Thanks bro!

crackhaus:

Amazing, isn't it?

You'll see a 10year old son/daughter of first generation Chinese, French, Japanese, Thai, or Indian immigrants, speaking their local dialect so fluently... While their 10yr old Nigerian counterparts can't make a complete sentence in Yoruba, Igbo, or Bini, without reverting to English.

And who is to blame for this?
The same immigrant parents who end up complaining of course. Most have the mentality that anything of Nigerian origin is below par and of no significance, so they end up raising children who have been stripped of all cultural, religious, and indigenous values.

The consequence of the above is that it leaves a vacuum in these children, and makes it easy for them to assimilate what we love to call "western" behaviour.

Gbam!
I don talk tire.
Western culture no dey my house o.
I don't actually like their culture.
When in Nigeria I introduced my kids to Asian culture. Music, drama etc. West have better culture before but cancel culture has striped them of everything with their yeye feminism( the new religion).

Even prefer some Muslim countries not the radical ones.

Kayberg:
A bad child will be bad.
A good child will be good.
A good child can still become bad.
A bad child can still become good.
It's not a matter of training or suffering.

You don't believe in environmental factors and influences?

Africa is better, BY FAR. In the West, you gain the whole world but you are 99% likely to lose your soul. In Africa you lose the world but keep your soul.

sportybet117:
Have you been to the western world?

You won't be making this statements

Me ? I was raised here in North America. Though I visit Nigeria occasionally.

SatanicPriest:
asian countries are still the best to raise kids. i have lived in all climes and i can attest to this

I believe so too. You wont be the first person to say this. Especially that Japan ... korea.... singapore